World of Warcraft

[Silverwolf]

No, you get the similar pings with ADSL

[Ninja]

Your best bet might be to go to the WoW forums and ask in the technical assistance area. There are plenty of GM's who can help you there.

okay cool - might pop on there.

Queenie: I have boardband though ^^;; Hotaru had dailup when she started.

Azza: Wow you must have paitence of a saint when it comes to downloading patches

EDIT: just tried posting on the WoW forums, but I can't cos I need my character there...but I have already made a character with my username (on a different computer). I swear WoW has given me so much trouble =_=

[JubeiSaotome]

Using a router? Tried opening ports?

Run a spyware scan and a virus scan as a precaution. Shit happens.

[Ninja]

I am using a wireless router - cos I am on my laptop ^^;;

I'll run virius and spyware just in case

[Azzaman]

wow... laggy much?

heh, it's playable..... just.

[Hotaru_oz]

i played on dialup for quite awhile, so i doubt net connection is ur prob.

Ouch, you must have alot of patience to deal with updates.

[Stormyau]

No, you get the similar pings with ADSL

I've played while capped and been unable to tell the difference.

[StorminNorman]

The thing that is keeping me from playing is the connection, I have the internet on and all, but when I try to sign in, it says that it couldn't connect.

Did you tell Windows to allow WoW to connect to the internet?

But anyway, could it be actually Vista that is stuffing things up for me?

No.

Your best bet might be to go to the WoW forums and ask in the technical assistance area. There are plenty of GM's who can help you there.

Trial accounts can't post on the forums.

[Ninja]

Did you tell Windows to allow WoW to connect to the internet?


dont think so....how do I do that - god I am such a noob >.< plz forgive my noobiness

[StorminNorman]

Usually a dialog box will pop up the first time you run WoW asking you to give it permission to access the internet.

WoW might obscure this as it starts up, so you may need to alt-tab to see it.

[Ninja]

nope nothing comes up :S

[JubeiSaotome]

Start -> Control Panel -> Windows Firewall

You may have to add an exception. Most people just disable it entirely though.

[Ninja]

done it, Wow is now a exception...but it still doesnt work >.<

[Azzaman]

I always got the patches off a mate of mine who also works in the city. we found a use for all the old cd's we have lying around!

[FX-GTZ]

I got WoW back up and running, it turns out my dad had a backup of wow on his backup harddrive from his windows xp computer, so i put it in my external usb hard drive and it worked after the patching had finished, yay!! Also i can pay back my friend that 80g loan for my mount before he gets impatient lol.

[Vindik8or]

I've played while capped and been unable to tell the difference.

Yeah, it's pretty much fine, unless you try to raid. At that point you will disconnect (I've tried raiding when capped twice now, it's not pretty).

[Azzaman]

was primary healer for the first time in ST last night. Was shitting myself to begin with, but really the instance was easy mode. I was the only one in the level range and everyone else was well above, plus there was another shaman and a pally tanking so we weren't short of healers/rezzers.

[Blue]

****ing healers. I had two different healers quit on my group last night before the third finally stuck around.

[Silverwolf]

I had a heroic MGT group last night, and we couldn't kill the 3rd boss (the arena-like one) even though our druid and tank had at least 5 peices of tier 6 each. ****ing brutal.

[Blue]

I had a group of 5 going, but just as we're about to start, our Pally healer drops out. We keep going anyway, with the Druid dropping tanking duties for healing, and my pet taking up the slack. We did fine until our Rogue needs to go as well. I didn't mind, as he was the ****er who told me to "yo stop needing everything okay?" after I need a Cloak of Agility. I tell him "I am a Hunter, an agility class. That is a Cloak of Agility. I need it." Dipshit. First thing I ****ing needed, too.

How does looting work when you're dealing with proper level 70 shit?

[StorminNorman]

Yeah, it's pretty much fine, unless you try to raid. At that point you will disconnect (I've tried raiding when capped twice now, it's not pretty).

Getting off Vent tends to solve this problem. If your guild won't let you raid without vent then you should get a more skilled guild.

How does looting work when you're dealing with proper level 70 shit?

Level 70 gear tends to be more clearly defined than low-level gear, so this issue is less of a problem. For gear where there is some crossover, it tends to be dealt out via whichever arcane methodology your guild uses to deal out gear.

I want to make a comment about how hunters are faildps compared to rogues, but my current raid situation sees me competing with a hunter for top DPS.

I generally win, though.

[Silverwolf]

Plus hunters don't have to deal with rotations and such, they just get to spam one button.

[Blue]

Plus hunters don't have to deal with rotations and such, they just get to spam one button.See, I chose a Warrior because I thought it would be easiest, but Hunters really are simple to play.

Having said that, it is cool that if you see someone other than your tank getting attacked you can highlight the enemy, attack it with your pet and draw it away with growl. Although if our tank wasn't so inept, that wouldn't have been an issue...

It's also nice being able to pull a mob with your pet if it's too far away for your gun.

[StorminNorman]

I honestly don't think warriors are an easy class to play. You tend to have to do a lot of cooldown management.

EDIT: I probably mentioned this earlier, but details seem to be emerging about an "achievements" system incorporated into WotLK. Achievements include things like:

- Getting multiple characters to 80 (one for two, one for a character of each class).
- Achieving specified level targets (level 10, 20, 30 etc)
- PvP achievements (Winning BGs, killing X amount of players etc)
- Completing certain amounts of quests in each zone (ie 20 quests in Howling Fjord)
- Defeating bosses in dungeons.

As far as I can tell, the reward for gaining achievements are essentially the same as on the XBox 360: Gamerpoints. Not sure if they'll have some use other than ePenis, though. I have a feeling you may be able to gain titles with them. This would be similar to the achievement system in Guild Wars, except that it's highly unlikely you'll get your own trophy room in WoW to show off achievements.

There's also been some speculation/concern regarding Azjol-Nerub. The zone is inaccessible in the current alpha and, more significantly, the Crystal Forest zone is entirely unimplemented at the moment. People are worried that Blizzard intends to scrap the idea of it being a complete underground zone and instead making it a set of instances. I think this would be disappointing at best, as Azjol-Nerub had a lot of potential as a more fleshed-out version of Blackrock Mountain (which is the only other "underground" zone in WoW. Hopefully its only being held back until Crystalsong Forest (which is the zone from which you enter A-N) is implemented.

Also, word is that Dragonblight is a massive zone, easily larger than Nagrand, Zangarmarsh and Terrokar combined. This suggests that most other Northrend zones will be at least twice the size of the largest Outland zones. Storm Peaks (which appears as even larger than Dragonblight) must be absolutely massive. I'm guessing that Northrend will be approximately the same total size as Kalimdor. Whether or not this is a good or bad thing depends on how much content Blizzard can pack into the new continent.

Here's a continent map of Northrend. (http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/8769/northrendcopyfm0.png) (NOTE: May disappear at any time, and may not resemble the final Northrend map when WotLK hits retail.)

Looks like Kalimdor is getting a new loading screen. (http://img124.imageshack.us/img124/1228/loadscreenkalimdorsizezd3.png) Presumably Azeroth will too.

[tau]

If by cooldown management you mean spam the button till it comes off it then yeah totally :P

[Theiffy]

Woot! Loot the Core Hound got back together and now my 4 lvl 70's have a guild to do stuff with!

Warrior nearly has 13k health and stuff <_<

[Vindik8or]

Getting off Vent tends to solve this problem. If your guild won't let you raid without vent then you should get a more skilled guild.

As a Pally Tank, it didn't turn out so well. Constant disconnects without vent.

[StorminNorman]

Where are you getting the details on this, Stormin?

A lot of it is from the WotLK thread on E-J (so it's coloured by their interpretations), as well as stuff on that wiki thing (http://wotlk.wikidot.com/) I linked the other week.

Stuff from the Alpha seems to be leaking all over the place now. There's been at least two patches since the original alpha leak itself, and a few people have been brave enough to breach NDAs.

Apparently the "Friends and Family" phase of the Alpha is over, and it's now into a more generalised alpha period. I know someone who has a beta key already, and according to him the public beta will begin in July. (Personally, I hope it starts sooner than that.)

[TrinityJayOne]

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[Stormyau]

D:

;_;

[TSplodey]

Haha thats the Gigz Kitchen thats made me laugh the most.

[Queenie]

i lol'd

[Araenel]

Gogglezzzz

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v106/Araenel/WoWScrnShot_060308_155921.jpg

[thegreatlordpancake]

Is that your character?

[NiB]

Man I really hate the look of UD characters, sure I get their clothers need to look all torn and stuff but I still think UD ruin some of the best pieces of armor in the game.

[tau]

'tis why even though I had a 60 undead rogue I rerolled a bloodelf one.

[Theiffy]

'tis why even though I had a 60 undead rogue I rerolled a bloodelf one.

No it's cause ur ghey

[Blue]

'tis why even though I had a 60 undead rogue I rerolled a bloodelf one.Same for me. Sure, my Warrior was only 25, but I was committed to seeing him through to 70. That was when I realised that UD NEVER look respectable, even when they hit high levels. I was waiting for him to get some armour that looked neat, but I realised that he'd always look shabby. And they're so SHORT, what with their hunching. Zombies are cool, but the UD just aren't as cool as they should be. If they stood up straight and just had a less decomposed, more vampiric appearance, they'd be awesome. Just something to set them apart from the average Scourge, as if they weren't as badly affected, and still have most of their humanity. But they don't, so I too rerolled as a Belf. Sexy. What Nelfs should look more like.

Having said that, I have seen some 70 Locks and stuff with awesome craggy black and red sets with fire and stuff that look incredibly cool. Basically, some of the magic classes can look scary. But the vast majority don't.

[Queenie]

i think that people should be able to make the aesthetic choice to have their undead 'repaired' with a bit of "patchwork" if you know what I mean.

[Blue]

Look, there should be a LOT more choice in your character's looks. Especially the undead. And they should just scrap the Nelf, Orc and Human models and start over. And kill Gnomes.

I remember when I first started intruding on Ally starter zones for laughs, and I was amazed at how many Gnomes there were! I was like a little kid who can't stop staring at the black guy on the train.

[Queenie]

or maybe just one of the 'lol gnomelvl1raidonhogger' things....

nah there's a crapload of gnomes... because people love tank goggles and that rocket taht is +45 stam and gives a 1750 dmg rocket.

And everyone's a hobbit on the inside. also you missed my joke... but you wouldn't get it anyway, you're not far enough in!!

[Theiffy]

Undead aren't meant to look respectable, they are decaying and shit, their clothes would be really whithered and tattered, it's just... common sense!

[Queenie]

yeah but that doesn't mean they'd want to look like that!

I mean if I was a real life undead person i'd want to cover up the holes in my clothes and stuff.

Just cos I'm undead doesn't mean i can't be vain!

[Theiffy]

But if you look at their history and who they are, it makes sense. :P

Vain is more suited to blood elves

[Blue]

But if you look at their history and who they are, it makes sense. :P

Vain is more suited to blood elvesSure, their BODY may be tattered, but if they loot a brand new piece of armour from some guy, why would HIS armour be ****ed too? Does not make sense.

If I have a scar on my back, it doesn't show through my shirt.

[Araenel]

ITT people try to impose logic on a fantasy game.

[Blue]

Not logic, style.

[tau]

^

If I loot new pants or a new chest piece, I want to see new pants or a chest piece. Not torn up rags.

[Blue]

You receive loot: [Gorgeous Glimmering Pants Of The Rainbow Serpent]

You receive loot: [Oh PS, The Knees Are ****ed]

[Silverwolf]

Thats why its all about teh wepanz

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b141/omgwolfeh/WoWScrnShot_111207_124735.jpg
These still draw attention =D

[Blue]

Yeah, see, that's what I'm talking about. Warrior? Nah, Rogue right?

You need to have awesome, dark, colour-matched armour with gnarly weapons to look truly sinister, and only THEN will you look awesome.

[Silverwolf]

The helm + shoulders, man! As sinister you can get.
I can actually colour match it all, but that screenshot was just my PvE gear.

[tau]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v494/tau/guybrushawesome-1.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v494/tau/GuybrushTotallyAwesome.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v494/tau/guybrush5.jpg

now THAT'S a rogue!

[Stormyau]

Yeah, see, that's what I'm talking about. Warrior? Nah, Rogue right?

You need to have awesome, dark, colour-matched armour with gnarly weapons to look truly sinister, and only THEN will you look awesome.

What are you talking about?

Well geared Undead Warriors with a big 2H look great...

[Araenel]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v494/tau/GuybrushTotallyAwesome.jpg



now THAT'S a rogue!

no sir I believe that is an undead horse.

[Blue]

Oh my! That last Rogue has COVERED KNEES AND ELBOWS!

How did that happen?

[Silverwolf]

He rolled a shit race.
Seriously what kinda rogue rolls Belf for PvP.
Plus PvE T5 >>>>>>>> Season 2 PvP

[tau]

the **** you talking about, shoulders are identical and that is t5 helm.

[Silverwolf]

Shoulders are darker, it makes all the difference!
Wepanz mang, wepanz

[Blue]

I didn't roll a Rogue when i went undead, because there were already so many UD Rogues. It probably is the best class to go for though if you're UD.

And Belfs don't shop at the gap. They get their boots shipped by Wind Rider from New York.

[Silverwolf]

I didn't roll a Rogue when i went undead, because there were already so many UD Rogues. It probably is the best class to go for though if you're UD.

Only for PvP, Will of the forsaken makes warlocks and priests pretty much useless =D
Especially priests!

[Blue]

Only for PvP? What else is there? :P

[Silverwolf]

My ****ing claws, thats what :P

[Blue]

I'll probably never be in a 25 man. If I ever do hit 70, I'll be so over PvE I reckon.

[TSplodey]

Only for PvP, Will of the forsaken makes warlocks and priests pretty much useless =D
Especially priests!
**** you. ****ing rogue.

EDIT: Me, done in WoWModelViewer seeing as the servers are down and all. :> And ftr my weapon isnt pinky ingame. >>
http://img384.imageshack.us/img384/9397/tsplodeydz4.jpg

[Vindik8or]

Undead are terrible, mainly because everyone is Undead. If you're serious about PvE you go with Trolls (the best race in the game - I would have made my Paladin a Troll if the class was available to them).

[Blue]

Well, the plague did hit hard!

Trolls though? Trolls suck. Stupid looking, that's why you hardly see any around.

We getting two new starter classes with WotLK?

[Spazzallo]

...I'll post my rogue in the morning >_>.

Well, the plague did hit hard!

Trolls though? Trolls suck. Stupid looking, that's why you hardly see any around.

We getting two new starter classes with WotLK?

Nope just Death Knights, which will likely strip hunters of their mental retard status as every 15 year old will instantly roll one.

No offence to hunters :D.

[Blue]

No, seriously, I was playing with this Hunter the other day, when I realised I'd grouped with him before. He was a level 23 Belf Hunter, just like me. Anyway, while I was doing solid DPS from a distance and using my pet to intervene when the healer got some heat, he was constantly running forward, pulling 5 at a time, and just generally acting like a tool. He kept going on about how he needed every drop, but funnily enough he kept losing them all. Anyway, he falls off a ledge, and gets lost. He's been giving us the shits all instance, whinging about loot and trying to defend his enormous pulls. We wait for him for a couple of minutes to recharge mana, before deciding to just 3 man the boss. We kill it without any trouble, and it drops this awesome bow. This other Hunter is still trying to find his way up here, so he doesn't get a crack at the loot. I win the bow without contest, and say "Man, this bow is sweet. Shame the other guy fell, he would have really wanted this!" Cue the "**** YOU GUYS!" rant, etc. I bumped into him again today at Thousand Needles, saw him going up the lift, so I guess he's given up on getting that loot. :P

So yeah, I know how Hunters get their rep. But I think I'm doing okay. And as if you wouldn't roll a Death Knight! Can you make a DK from any race? Wonder what a Belf DK would look like?

[Theiffy]

Undead horse don't suit belves, they're for badarse races like undead!

Btw, both of your rogues look pretty much identical, cept Wolfy has glowy hands >_>

How can one be stylish when everyone looks the same? D:<

[Spazzallo]

Yeah Blizzard are aiming to have a death knight for every race... which REALLY doesn't suit gnomes :(.

I think every person has had a bad hunter story, but as long as you aim to improve yourself, you won't fall into that category :).

Hell the other night I did a run of Ramps on my druid and I told our hunter to frost trap. 3 times he'd do it, and then shoot it straight away and break the cc. As a feral specced healer, it made me drink a hell of a lot more then I should've ><. In the end I just had the tank take on 2 of the mobs at once.

[Silverwolf]

Supposedly you can make any race DK, even gnomes =/

[Theiffy]

Death Knight Tauren, now thats a friggin weird combo!

[Kao]

http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/1282/34192912qe1.jpg

That is a rogue, friends

[Spazzallo]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v255/Spazzallo/WoWScrnShot_060408_024837.jpg

This is a rogue :D.

(Would have S3 pants but decided to wait for S4 to come out instead).

[Kao]

That is a terrible rogue

[Silverwolf]

http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/1282/34192912qe1.jpg

That is a rogue, friends

I still think t5 looks better, personally.
With any luck i'll be getting t6 myself soon. mmm.

[Theiffy]

Season 1 shoulders for rogue looks shit (season 1 for rogues looks shit in general which is why i never bothered getting it for Teegles) and i hate how lazy Blizz are when it comes to modelling - hair going through helms is shit!

i might as well post my rogue as well since everyone else is doing it <_<

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v429/Theiffy/WoWScrnShot_060408_044914.jpg

Fourtastic!

[Vindik8or]

Well, the plague did hit hard!

Trolls though? Trolls suck. Stupid looking, that's why you hardly see any around.

We getting two new starter classes with WotLK?

You should go an play Alliance. Trolls are the best looking, best sounding, best playing Horde with the most character. They have the best PvE racial, plus:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v192/AlmightyBean/WoWScrnShot_060408_095615.jpg

[Stormyau]

No, seriously, I was playing with this Hunter the other day, when I realised I'd grouped with him before. He was a level 23 Belf Hunter, just like me. Anyway, while I was doing solid DPS from a distance and using my pet to intervene when the healer got some heat, he was constantly running forward, pulling 5 at a time, and just generally acting like a tool. He kept going on about how he needed every drop, but funnily enough he kept losing them all. Anyway, he falls off a ledge, and gets lost. He's been giving us the shits all instance, whinging about loot and trying to defend his enormous pulls. We wait for him for a couple of minutes to recharge mana, before deciding to just 3 man the boss. We kill it without any trouble, and it drops this awesome bow. This other Hunter is still trying to find his way up here, so he doesn't get a crack at the loot. I win the bow without contest, and say "Man, this bow is sweet. Shame the other guy fell, he would have really wanted this!" Cue the "**** YOU GUYS!" rant, etc. I bumped into him again today at Thousand Needles, saw him going up the lift, so I guess he's given up on getting that loot. :P

So yeah, I know how Hunters get their rep. But I think I'm doing okay. And as if you wouldn't roll a Death Knight! Can you make a DK from any race? Wonder what a Belf DK would look like?

1. A lot of Hunters are good.

2. I see just as many stupid Paladins, Warlocks (voidwalker pvp lol), and Shamans.


Yeah I said it wanna fight about it?

[Ninja]

oh i am still such a noob lawl

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y163/Genesis_au/Freiyaa.jpg

[Stormyau]

In the time it took you to upload that screenshot anyone could level to 10.

[Ninja]

This screenshot was taken last Saturday, when I was over at Hotaru's place. I haven't played since, cos my laptop is being a bitch.

[Sytadel]

Undead are terrible, mainly because everyone is Undead. If you're serious about PvE you go with Trolls (the best race in the game - I would have made my Paladin a Troll if the class was available to them).

You call that hardcore Troll? I wanted to roll a Warlock, but I loved trolls so much I went with a Hunter instead!

Also while we're posting pics:

http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o246/Sytadel/maynardcharscreen2.jpg
Maynard, mis of S2/S3. S1/ZA weapons for mana regen.

http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o246/Sytadel/sytcharscreen.jpg
Syta... oh, wait, shit, I mean:

http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o246/Sytadel/sytcharscreen2.jpg

[TSplodey]

Ahahaha I love your Paladin name Syt. And thats some fiiiine lookin druid.

[markymark]

Aww, poor Persephone.

[StorminNorman]

Seeing as everyone else is doing it...

http://ikaruga.homelinux.net/~tim/Tamaaya.jpg

(Yeah yeah, she doesn't have S4 or T6 or any of that crap. But check out those fist weapons!)

Here's her Warcrafter profile (http://nagrand-us.warcrafter.net/Tamaaya) so you can all point and laugh at me.

[Vindik8or]

lol Armoury link for the day:

http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Frostmourne&n=Brennar

I have a habit of inspecting Prot Pallies and epeening their faces in my mind. So I spotted this guy standing around at the Aldor bank wearing the SSO Rep Shield that a lot of new Prot Pallies have. Oh dear god the luls.

[StorminNorman]

What is it with 61/0/0 Paladins at the moment? I've run across a few in the last couple of weeks.

[Vindik8or]

I'm sure that Romulo's Poison Vial stops his orsm heals from missing.

[StorminNorman]

As a rogue, my desire to kill the raid leader that even allowed him to take it is pretty high.

[Spazzallo]

Today a 70 lock killed my 61 druid in Hellfire whilst I was killing the boss of that poison area to the north. I brought my rogue along and ripped him a new face. In fact, I didn't even stealth to him, I just casually walked towards him and tore him to pieces.

But what the ****, he decided to kill my druid again and then fly off, I followed him for 10 minutes taunting him with chicken emotes but the noob wouldn't dismount for a fight.

I ****ing hate people like that. It really goes to show that most gankers have NO IDEA how to play.

[StorminNorman]

PvP occurred on a PvP server.

[Azzaman]

Today a 70 lock killed my 61 druid in Hellfire whilst I was killing the boss of that poison area to the north. I brought my rogue along and ripped him a new face. In fact, I didn't even stealth to him, I just casually walked towards him and tore him to pieces.

But what the ****, he decided to kill my druid again and then fly off, I followed him for 10 minutes taunting him with chicken emotes but the noob wouldn't dismount for a fight.

I ****ing hate people like that. It really goes to show that most gankers have NO IDEA how to play.

I'm surprised he was in outlands, apparently STV is the place to be for n00bish lv70 gankers.

[Spazzallo]

PvP occurred on a PvP server.

I know that, but it just amazed me at how shit this guy was, and yet he still continued to be an arsehole.

[Theiffy]

Oh man, i await the day hyper rolls on a pve server >.> Also there's a difference between pvp and being an arsehole

Also nothing wrong with tier4 Stormin! When i was in Vin and Bob's raiding guild on my rogue, i topped dmg in the SSC raid so nyer! I remember Vin was all like omg theyre so crap

[Queenie]

pillar of ferocity for druids! I remembered it now!

it's 96 stam and 47 strength,and increases AP by 1049 while in animal forms!

[StorminNorman]

She's only wearing 2 T4 pieces in that shot. Everything else is either non-set Karazhan gear (Chestguard of the Conniver) or badge rewards (Trousers of the Scryers' Retainer).

Hopefully I can get enough badges this week to get the badge chest reward, at which point I'll essentially be done with Karazhan loot.

[thegreatlordpancake]

as every 15 year old will instantly roll one.

its funny you should say that because 2 of mates at school are going to make a dk as soon as it comes out.(they are all staying at lvl 55 because they think that you need to have a 55 char or else you cant make one... its funny because they are both horde on thurssian)

[StorminNorman]

Based on the videos and information I've seen, Death Knight is a relatively complex class to play, so it's likely that a lot of people who roll them at release will not get them to max level.

They look awesome in combat, though.

[thegreatlordpancake]

yeah they do look pretty good in combat.

although ive only seen them in action on the trailer on the website.

also pretty much all horde races except belf will look wierd as a dk, not to mention gnomes, dwaves and draenie(i cant spell it sorry).

[Stormyau]

yeah they do look pretty good in combat.

although ive only seen them in action on the trailer on the website.

also pretty much all horde races except belf will look wierd as a dk, not to mention gnomes, dwaves and draenie(i cant spell it sorry).

Undead and Orc will look great as DK. And the fact that you didn't mention Night Elves looking strange as DKs mean to me that you'll probably be one to roll the new worst class/race combo. :P

[thegreatlordpancake]

yeah after i posted that i thought to myself "orc dk would acctually look pretty good"

also if i ever roll a alliance i will be a human not a night elf... i cant stand them(no offence to any nelfs here).

[Silverwolf]

Pancake, switch the I and E on the end of "draenie" around and you have it right, its not that hard :P

Of course orcs will make good death knights, the first Death Knight was an orc!

[Queenie]

If those new talent trees are real, it'll be interesting...

but the death knight and warrior ones (that I looked at) definitely had some problems as to what tree they should be in...

[Spazzallo]

yeah after i posted that i thought to myself "orc dk would acctually look pretty good"

also if i ever roll a alliance i will be a human not a night elf... i cant stand them(no offence to any nelfs here).

Offence not taken. I'd pay $20 to change my Night Elf to a human or a dwarf :(.


Why collision with characters is bad idea for MMORPGs.

s-rl3RPC_Mw

Pretty awesome but it'd probably get old very quickly.

[Silverwolf]

But check out those fist weapons!

I hate them, 2.5 speed mainhand = D: do not want.
Plus they're a ridiculous amount of badges :P

[tau]

Recently started PvPing with a priest (on maynard), got to 1680 tonight. Cool guy and has a lot of potential to reach higher ratings with. Shit gear presently, though :P

Yeah, I still only have the gnomer chest and electricity helm : ( hoping to upgrade soon.

[StorminNorman]

I hate them, 2.5 speed mainhand = D: do not want.

Spec combat, nub. :P

Plus they're a ridiculous amount of badges :P

Karazhan is 22 badges a reset. 150 is not that much.

[Araenel]

zoom zoom putt putt

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v106/Araenel/WoWScrnShot_060508_132908.jpg

[Stormyau]

Char name? >_>

[Silverwolf]

Dicks4lyf.

No not really

[Stormyau]

I just messaged Dicks4lyf and arranged a meet. D:

[Silverwolf]

Can't have numbers in names, you're bluffing!

[Sytadel]

zoom zoom putt putt

Welcome to the 375 engineer club!

I'm president. You can be treasurer.

[Spazzallo]

Tanked my first instance last night in Blood Furnace.

**** hunters piss me off. He kept trapping the sheep on LoS pulls because he didn't pull his mob in a different direction. He also had his pets growl on consistantly and on the second boss he sent his pet in on the boss as everyone was still recovering from the orcs, and as the boss has the poison on the ground, I couldn't get close to it without dieing. He then told me to L2Aggro.

L2NOT****INGATTACKRIGHTAFTERCCISBROKENFFS!

He was also taking his time looting whilst we were still killing mobs (sometimes not attacking at all). The only reason I didn't kick him was because having a pet and ice trap cc on the final boss made the fight a lot easier.

Never partying with another hunter again (except for my cousin, who I know isn't mentally retarded).

[Azzaman]

It's overarching stereotypes like this which is making me level a shaman instead of playing my hunter.

[Theiffy]

I hate people who waste my time

They ask if i'm a tank, i say yes, he invites me, then asks if im dps, i say err no, he kicks me out and by that time i'm already effing in there.

(Over some poorly undergeared pally mind you for ARC which ive tanked many times i think i would have done better kthx)

[Dunkurtin]

It's overarching stereotypes like this which is making me level a shaman instead of playing my hunter.

Yeah but it's easy to get a good reputation on a hunter. If you do good in an instance you're pretty well immediately on everyones friends list and your name is passed around when groups look for hunters just because you're like 1 in a million.




Also on deathknights, I'm definitely rolling one straight away, but more because it seems to be the class i would have originally liked to roll. Not just because they're new to the game.

[Silverwolf]

I hate people who waste my time

They ask if i'm a tank, i say yes, he invites me, then asks if im dps, i say err no, he kicks me out and by that time i'm already effing in there.

(Over some poorly undergeared pally mind you for ARC which ive tanked many times i think i would have done better kthx)

havent you heard? Pally tanks are the new thing!

[Silverwolf]

Yeah but it's easy to get a good reputation on a hunter. If you do good in an instance you're pretty well immediately on everyones friends list and your name is passed around when groups look for hunters just because you're like 1 in a million.

And then you are worshipped LIKE A GOD.

(loldoublepost)

[Vindik8or]

havent you heard? Pally tanks are the new thing!

I did it before it was cool, and in fact ridiculed. The new lot are mostly tards (like any fad), those who were Prot before the big patch that gave them an extra 10% stam and all those gnarly badge rewards had to rely a lot more on skill than outgearing content.

[StorminNorman]

Also on deathknights, I'm definitely rolling one straight away, but more because it seems to be the class i would have originally liked to roll. Not just because they're new to the game.

This is my feeling too, after having levelled a rogue and a fury warrior to 70.

That said, I'm probably going to get my rogue to level 80 before I seriously consider levelling a DK.

[Theiffy]

havent you heard? Pally tanks are the new thing!

I have nothing against pally tanks, just pally tanks who don't bother to get good gear and sit around in random green 'of the champion' and expect to get groups for an instance like that ~_~

[Azzaman]

Yeah but it's easy to get a good reputation on a hunter. If you do good in an instance you're pretty well immediately on everyones friends list and your name is passed around when groups look for hunters just because you're like 1 in a million.




Also on deathknights, I'm definitely rolling one straight away, but more because it seems to be the class i would have originally liked to roll. Not just because they're new to the game.

I'm not going to say I'm a *great* Hunter cuz I'm not, but damn, it makes learning the ins and outs of an instance that you've never done before a ******ing task and a half.

[thegreatlordpancake]

found this pic

http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk310/thegreatlordpancake/WorldPVP.jpg

[Stormyau]

That's over two years old. :P

[NiB]

That's over two years old. :P

Pancake is still eagerly awaiting the release of TBC

[Azzaman]

He's still playing beta :p

[dende d. guardian]

Seeing as everyone is posting pics of their characters and junk...


http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd151/Roopenstein/WoWScrnShot_060408_195123.jpg



First ever 70. =D

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd151/Roopenstein/WoWScrnShot_111207_203058.jpg


getting epic ground mount at 60... Araenel used a halloween wand on me as i mounted, made for many lols


http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd151/Roopenstein/WoWScrnShot_110707_161805.jpg

>.>

[Theiffy]

Lolllllll Sometimes It Snows In Deadtowne O Lawd

[Blue]

Here's my Hunter. Pep for guessing my level for this week.

http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee95/Blue_Aus/Unionjack.jpg

[TSplodey]

Id say mid 20s to low 30s.

[Blue]

Take a punt.

[tau]

26? Do I win?

[SOX]

The level when you can start wearing gay hats. 27 is it?

[Silverwolf]

lol, belt of the fang.
24? >_> log on so i can tell.

[Spazzallo]

You are level 25 :).

[Silverwolf]

No WoWArmory, bad spazz!

[Theiffy]

My guess for next weeks lvl: not 70!

(i know it's not a lvl guess but i'm still technically right and win??? :P )

[Spazzallo]

No WoWArmory, bad spazz!

SIF! I guess it legitimetly!...

>_>

[Hotaru_oz]

I'm guessing somewhere in the 20's also.

[Vindik8or]

After it has been confirmed. NICE FORECAST!

[Spazzallo]

Bornakk: Will gear sets differ in look or bonuses between the two dungeon versions?
Jeff Kaplan: The art will probably look a little bit different between the two dungeon sets, meaning the 10 and the 25 person version. It might be things like a different color version of the same armor or the higher level, the 25 person content, might have more particle effects, so something along those lines. Something that I am excited to talk about is that the PvP armor will be different from the PvE armor entirely in looks and colors this time.

Finally.

[Blue]

After it has been confirmed. NICE FORECAST!Huh?

Wow armoury must be lagging or something, because he's wrong!

Tau got it, I'm 26.

Next level I can drop the hood for a Solid Snake style headband.

[Silverwolf]

If you actually logged on maybe.

[Dunkurtin]

No posts in 3 days! Did AoC win then? >_>

[Spazzallo]

Sif :P I've had exams so haven't been able to play much :(.

Did 10 games of 2's with my mage tonight, however he was fire specc'd so we didn't really stand much of a chance. 4-6 in the 1600 bracket was a damn good return though, we're good at co-ordinating our cc :). Unfortunately being a fire mage got him ripped by melee ;(.

[Silverwolf]

If I were you, I would have said respec or gtfo :P

[tau]

So, how about them 4.5k arcane blasts to your face by that arcane mage ey wolfeh?

...

;___;

[Silverwolf]

**** yeah! Once season 4 is out my shaman will have SOME resilience ;D
At least we won two games, go us 8)

[Spazzallo]

If I were you, I would have said respec or gtfo :P

Haha I'm making him respec in a couple of weeks, with exams I can't really play a hell of a lot and tonight we just got in our 10 games, as we will again next week. So for the time being he's focussing on PvE ;).

Also he's one of the few mages I've met that doesn't bitch about how gimped his class is and actually tries to improve himself. He's very skilled and only in S1 so I can't wait till we get some arena points into him :).

[tau]

didn't we win 4?

[Araenel]

My tab says 3.

[tau]

Ya but it's your tab. It's probably lying to you.

[Silverwolf]

Well at at least won against two teams :P

[Spazzallo]

I HATE HUNTERS SO GOD DAMN MUCH!

As a DPS class you don't realise how awful they truly are. Tonight whilst tanking SV I learnt though...

It is not hard to trap. It is not hard to have your pet tank a mob. It's not hard to turn off growl so stop whinging that your ****ing pet dies. It is not ****ing hard to see where the **** you are walking, and if you are walking backwards, ****ing look first before aggroing more mobs.

I swear to god until I hit 70 I refuse to party with another hunter as they are a waste of space for the trouble they cause.

[Blue]

Racist.

[Dunkurtin]

Classist*

He said hunters, not Gnomes or Blood elves.

[Blue]

****.

[Stormyau]

I HATE HUNTERS SO GOD DAMN MUCH!

As a DPS class you don't realise how awful they truly are. Tonight whilst tanking SV I learnt though...

It is not hard to trap. It is not hard to have your pet tank a mob. It's not hard to turn off growl so stop whinging that your ****ing pet dies. It is not ****ing hard to see where the **** you are walking, and if you are walking backwards, ****ing look first before aggroing more mobs.

I swear to god until I hit 70 I refuse to party with another hunter as they are a waste of space for the trouble they cause.

I could fill a phonebook with the amount of idiots that play Night Elf Rogues. It doesn't mean all of them are bad.

And hey, it's not like a Rogue is difficult to play in PvE... or PvP.

[Clift]

Really seems like they don't want me to get my Hunter to 70 any time soon :p

Assuming nothing else goes wrong / comes up, I'll power it there during my long weekend... (The rest of this week) :p

[Spazzallo]

I could fill a phonebook with the amount of idiots that play Night Elf Rogues. It doesn't mean all of them are bad.

And hey, it's not like a Rogue is difficult to play in PvE... or PvP.

Just because Rogues dont resort to running around poles in PvP doesn't make us easy to play. There's a fine line between a good rogue and an idiot.

And hunters are just as easy as a rogue in PvE. Hell a hunter can make a macro and just push that button and he'd perform at a sufficient level (and sometimes i wish the hunters I were with did push this magic button, because damnit it really isn't difficult). A rogue has to juggle combo points whilst maintaining slice and dice at all times and then rupture for as long as possible. This can be hard when things turn to shit (for example, a hunter backs into a pack of mobs :p).


Oh I forgot to mention earlier, after this run of SV, the hunter had to run out of the instance to hand in the quest. So I kicked him from the group and logged out, which would've wasted his hearth and made him warp away from the quest giver :D.

[StorminNorman]

I've found that there's a dramatic skill difference between hunters that raid regularly (even if it's Karazhan) and hunters that don't raid.

In general, hunters that raid either learn to play very quickly or drop back into the realm of hunters that don't raid.

This probably applies to a few other classes, too.

[Theiffy]

I saw a huntard with two tanking weapons and a whole bunch of str and spell dmg gear, i mean wtffffff? Not to mention the amount of baby huntards who go for the SM mail set or huntards who have the gladiator casters stave >_>

[Dunkurtin]

Heh i don't think i've even done all the SM instances on my hunter yet. Just moved straight on to Ulda for the polearm.

[TSplodey]

JA rogue has to juggle combo points
By that you mean spam Sinister Strike whenever you have the energy.

[Spazzallo]

By that you mean spam Sinister Strike whenever you have the energy.

You obviously have no idea how a rogue works >_>.

And it's HEMO! :p

[Araenel]

So some dick paladin attacked me when I was doing the crystal emanation quest in Blade's Edge, luckily I was finishing when he came and I just blinded him and ran (low health from clicking the wrong buttons >_>).

I found him later in the open field and started a gentlemenly bout of pvp, but I forgot every alliance has the skil 'Alliance call: summons two more Alliance in pvp situations' and two of his guildmates appear out of ****ing nowhere forcing me to flee.

Later I was stalking them and the pally flew off, the rogue logged off and so I just raped the remaining hunter, only losing 5% health from the pet :P

[Theiffy]

they have cousins by the dozens bro.

[Sytadel]

Regarding the "what takes more skill?" debate, I don't claim to be right, but my take on the issues is this:

PvE: Most of the difficulty from PvE comes from the encounters. Maximising DPS/optimising ability use as your class is something you should have down to a fine art by the time you're done with Karazhan. Keeping SnD up without it being at the expense of waisting CP you could be using on something else isn't hard - Keeping SnD up while dodging multiple environmental hazards and being aware of multiple changing variables is.

PvP: There's not really such a thing as an "easy" PvP class simply because there's no such thing as "mastering" a PvP class. That said; it's far easier to cheese your way to an average/decent rating (~1750-1850) as some classes/combinations than others. I won't weigh in on most classes, but hunters have the hardest time of all classes reaching even an intermediate level of play.

Just because Rogues dont resort to running around poles in PvP doesn't make us easy to play. There's a fine line between a good rogue and an idiot.

If you're facing a good hunter, you better believe you're going to be spending a lot of time running around poles :P

It's also not "resorting", it's an element of play.

[Vindik8or]

PvE comes down to organising 25 people to listen the ****** up and coordinate their various activities. The major challenge comes not from the content, but from getting people to do the right things in enough numbers (for some reason there will always be clueless ******tards dragging down your raid, but you can often overcome them to some degree).

[Silverwolf]

Syt is completely right.

Although as a rogue, if you get the jump on any hunter and you do it right, theres no reason why you should lose (eg, I beat Syt in a duel! D: )
Although pillars are helpful against BM hunters.
**** BM hunters.

[Dunkurtin]

(eg, I beat Syt in a duel! D: )
.

You'll be milking this forever wont you?

[Araenel]

You'll be milking this forever wont you?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v106/Araenel/sytanub.gif

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v106/Araenel/shadyeyes.gif

[Stormyau]

So, the last time you beat him was two years ago? :P

[Silverwolf]

You'll be milking this forever wont you?

No, why should I? I did have an advantage, tbh.

[Dunkurtin]

No, why should I? I did have an advantage, tbh.

S'cool man, we understand. Now make with the celebratory screenshots.

[Silverwolf]

Well, right before I dueled Syt I dueled our 3s Priest and lost, he is quite undergeared too :P
Although I wasn't using poisons... <_<

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b141/omgwolfeh/EVisceratediswin.jpg
The only screenshot I can celebrate =) My twink was unstoppable pre-BC

[Dunkurtin]

That screenshot suggests you were stopped 4 times. Also you're actually losing the bg. <_<

[Sytadel]

Yeah rogues should nearly always beat me in duels. The only tools I really have to get away are scatter + trap (just trap = CloS), and to spam wing clip until I get imp wing clip then trinket crip poison and run away. Not only do I have to get away, I have to do it twice in 30 seconds after sprint has already been propped (due to SStep), and even then, I have that small time frame to try and kill the rogue.

The one exception is that if I can get a rogue to pop sprint, and then I trap him successfully, I can kite him outside of his shadowstep range until he dies. This is difficult though, and he can CloS hunter's mark and vanish to get away if I am max range kiting him.

In actual arena it's more about getting away long enough to get large distance from the rogue, and then pummeling his team mates rather than trying to kill him.

PvE comes down to organising 25 people to listen the ****** up and coordinate their various activities. The major challenge comes not from the content, but from getting people to do the right things in enough numbers (for some reason there will always be clueless ******tards dragging down your raid, but you can often overcome them to some degree).

Depends on the stage you're at. That's the challenge for your guild, but most guilds on late-sunwell gear feel it's the encounters >_>.

[Silverwolf]

That screenshot suggests you were stopped 4 times. Also you're actually losing the bg. <_<

There is only so much one little rogue can do =(
Also of note is that in battlegrounds I am the 'hero' dude who charges into groups of 3 enemies solo. It doesn't quite work at 70 :P

[Spazzallo]

OMG OMG OMFG!

We’re currently planning to end the third Arena season and begin Arena Season 4 on June 24, 2008. This exciting Arena season will introduce the Brutal Gladiator set, and will also allow players to purchase Arena Season 2 items using the honor system. Please note that we will be resetting all Arena team and personal ratings. Players will still retain their Arena points and teams with this reset. The team and personal rating will simply be reset to the default 1500, allowing all teams to once again compete for top honors with a fresh start.

Also, with the end of the third season, players on the top teams from each battlegroup will receive their end-of-season rewards. These include Arena-specific titles that they can display proudly until the end of the new season, and, for the best of the best, an Armored Nether Drake. Please also be aware that with the end of the current season, all previous end-of-season titles will be removed.About ****ing time Blizzard, you only bored the crap out of us the last 3 months.

Guess I only have 2 weeks to try and reach 1850 before everyone starts back at 1500 again :(.

Although knowing Blizzard this means that we have another month or so (like last time... OH SHIT GUYS WE FORGOT ITS THANKS GIVING!).

[Clift]

Gots my Hunter to 69! About ****ing time too :p

Being rested all the way to 70 is another plus, means I'll be 70 tonight :D

[Spazzallo]

Be careful to not go crazy :D.

[StorminNorman]

Someone link me the current gold-standard warrior tanking build. I can't seem to find a reference to it.

[Vindik8or]

http://www.wowhead.com/?talent

Have a go for yourself.

[Dunkurtin]

Considering the possibility of making my BE pally a 39 twink after i finish levelling my hunter, until WotLK comes out. (Sometimes when i get bored i pass time by thinking of what i'll do once i can play again. Yeah its sad i know. >_>) Unfortunately, after playing around with the talent calculator i realise that i can't remember what i had when i was ret spec. =(

[Sytadel]

Someone link me the current gold-standard warrior tanking build. I can't seem to find a reference to it.

What for? 25-man tanking requires something different to 10-man tanking which is then different to an entry-level heroic build. Like Vin I think it'd be better just to build something suited to your own needs*

* - which ideally is how talents should work, rather than having a gold standard for role X; for example.

[Araenel]

Standard tanking build: http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=LV0cZVZ0EtoIzdcest

I can't imagine what would differ in any of the 3 scenarios Syt described.

edit: take one point from imp sunder and put in imp taunt, missed that.

[Queenie]

well don't forget points in bloodrage and stance mastery for dancing, and obv imp taunt as you described.

the imp shield bash, disarm and revenge could all work in certain instances at the heroic/ 70 level. revenge is probably the first to go, but disarm could probably work up to 10 mans. I'm not sure what point imp shield bash's silence effect becomes unusable (ie what level of instancing)

[Araenel]

The only reason to ever stance dance is to stop a fear, and you don't need points in stance mastery for that. You don't need bloodrage either, untalented is more than enough (especially in heroics).

Extremely situational uses for disarm/imp revenge for stuns does not make it worth it to sink talent points into them.

[TSplodey]

What for? 25-man tanking requires something different to 10-man tanking which is then different to an entry-level heroic build. Like Vin I think it'd be better just to build something suited to your own needs*

* - which ideally is how talents should work, rather than having a gold standard for role X; for example.

Yeah cause Id really love to have to respec between group sizes as well as between DPS/Heal/Tank. >>

[Queenie]

The only reason to ever stance dance is to stop a fear, and you don't need points in stance mastery for that. You don't need bloodrage either, untalented is more than enough (especially in heroics).

Extremely situational uses for disarm/imp revenge for stuns does not make it worth it to sink talent points into them.

yeah but having those points in bloodrage and mastery is to keep that rage up, allowing you to quickly regain aggro in the event of a fear.

however you are right, those cases are extremely situational.

[Araenel]

The fear mechanic was changed a few patches ago, mobs don't shift off the player with the highest aggro anymore with a fear.

[Sytadel]

Yeah cause Id really love to have to respec between group sizes as well as between DPS/Heal/Tank. >>

I just mean spec based on what you're doing dominantly or what is most important to you. If you OT Karazhan onec a week but run heroics daily then obviously a 5-man heroic build would be best (with shit like imp revenge?)

[StorminNorman]

Standard tanking build: http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=LV0cZVZ0EtoIzdcest

This is pretty much the exact build I found after doing further research. Thanks.

[Clift]

Hunter is finally 70 :D

Time to figure out what I'll level next :p

[Silverwolf]

But did you win Sonic Spear? :O

[Clift]

Haven't finished yet, just about to start him! :p

P.S: 70 Hunter, shit gear, no talent, LF Guild... Raiding would be nice? :p

[Queenie]

The fear mechanic was changed a few patches ago, mobs don't shift off the player with the highest aggro anymore with a fear.

i feel so out of date.

[NiB]

Haven't finished yet, just about to start him! :p

P.S: 70 Hunter, shit gear, no talent, LF Guild... Raiding would be nice? :p

Thats a long waiting list right there :)

[Clift]

Oh I know :p

[Stormyau]

Haven't finished yet, just about to start him! :p

P.S: 70 Hunter, shit gear, no talent, LF Guild... Raiding would be nice? :p

LF arena partner to make the awesome arena team evar.

[Clift]

Interesting preposition :p

Also, Hunter question now... Is the Hawk Eye talent taken as often as it was pre-bc? Kind of irritating to not have maxed out Mortal Shots :p (41/17/3 atm)

[Vindik8or]

A preposition is something that you don't end your sentences with.

I finally picked up my Tide-Stomper's Greaves (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=32245) last night. Awesome friggin boots.

I'll bet no one picks up what happened just now.

[Sytadel]

Also, Hunter question now... Is the Hawk Eye talent taken as often as it was pre-bc? Kind of irritating to not have maxed out Mortal Shots :p (41/17/3 atm)

For a PvE BM spec you don't need it. Mortal Shots is more important.

[Clift]

A preposition is something that you don't end your sentences with.

*Proposition

Problem solved? I think so!

Also, thank ye Syt... Would pep, but must spread apparently >_>

[Vindik8or]

Hey guys, what the hell happened to the Gulch Trotters? I didn't even know they had disbanded.

[Araenel]

*Proposition



oh dear

[Silverwolf]

Hey guys, what the hell happened to the Gulch Trotters? I didn't even know they had disbanded.

According to Tsplodey, attendance problems.

[Vindik8or]

My guild's been having the same thing. It's exam time.

[StorminNorman]

Hilariously, our guild's currently having the reverse problem.

[Sytadel]

Exams is what killed my/tau/rae/theiffy's most long-term guild. Raids were cancelled one week because of low exam attendance, but "holy shit we're not raiding? END OF THE WORLD!" was enough for 4-5 core raiders to jump ship and before you knew it we'd lost half the guild. Good but fickle players mostly - mind you, only the good ones can afford to be fickle.

We actually did hold it together for a little while thereafter, but we took a massive knockback in progression and it took weeks to just get back to where we were. Then us 4 hyperians left and that did the guild over for good.

[Silverwolf]

Are you talking about Subversion? =P I remember joining it as a friend then it dying a few weeks later.

[TSplodey]

Pretty much the case with GT Syt, except I dont know if it was exams or not.

[Silverwolf]

Except it only took tsplodey leaving because hes so awesome lololol~!11111111

[Clift]

Nevermind, alternate solution found :p

[Sytadel]

Pretty much the case with GT Syt, except I dont know if it was exams or not.

Well the thing with GT (and Sub at the time) is they were both quite competitive, high-pressure guilds but not so much by nature as by incidence. Guilds like Avast kind of came in to existence and we're recognised as top-line hardcore guilds whereas GT has developed that role slowly (iirc, you were behind Shidavere in SSC/TK days but overtook us in BT/Hyjal). The problem with guilds that slowly increase/change the pressure on their players is you end up with a lot that will grudgingly commit the extra hours - but tend to look for chances to escape.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that high-pressure guilds get the fastest progress but in a way they're the most unstable. My understanding is that GT demanded a lot in terms of hrs/wk commitment.

[Sytadel]

Oh wow, just wow - epic arena battle right here. I was in stitches. Very high rated game (judging by gear and the level of play) - but it only takes two gatecrashing scrubs to turn the tides. I'll let the pictures do the talking.

http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o246/Sytadel/1a.jpg

http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o246/Sytadel/4.jpg

http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o246/Sytadel/9.jpg

http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o246/Sytadel/7.jpg

http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o246/Sytadel/10.jpg

^_^

(didn't get any points =( )

[TSplodey]

Whats that mod with the giant cooldown notification? And would it be handy for raiding as BM?

[Araenel]

ARCANE SHOT IS READY




(i have no idea what's going on in these pics)

[Vindik8or]

ARCANE SHOT IS READY




(i have no idea what's going on in these pics)

Yep, same. WTF is the deal here?

Moral of the story is that pictures have always sucked at telling stories here.

[Dunkurtin]

Whats that mod with the giant cooldown notification? And would it be handy for raiding as BM?

Looks to be CooldownTimers2?

[Spazzallo]

I assume it was a 2vs2 arena fight but with 4 players on one team o.o.

[Sytadel]

I assume it was a 2vs2 arena fight but with 4 players on one team o.o.

Ding ding.

Yeah, ok, here's the story since you're all a bit slow:

My priest and I disconnected mid-match due to a server issue and we're unable to load. When it finally did load, we found ourselves in the middle of someone else's game - on one particular team's side. My priest and I were originally going to be good and not ruin their game, but they charged my priest and the 4v2 bloodbath began.

As you can see we're in a party with a draenei and a night elf, which was a confusing experience. We could heal and buff them as though they were our own, but not chat for some reason.

Particularly interesting is that it was a very high rated team - I've seen the warrior centalink (our opponents) in other games.

Also, no more posts till milestone so yeah won't reply unless it's a PM >_>

[Stormyau]

Hey! I'm not slow!

[Sytadel]

Did a Gruul run on my Druid today, man it's weird - so astranged from my guild now. I suppose I should've come to expect that after having not raided for 8 months.

Vin, does Panda still need healers/is it worth me joining? Seriously contemplating it just so I can see Illidan fall over before WoTLK.

Edit:

http://www.sinfest.net/comikaze/comics/2008-06-11.gif

[Vindik8or]

Yeah, we suffer from some seriously flaky healers. Our only reliable healers aren't (exactly) mainspec, but our situation has pretty much turned them into mainspec healers (and they're druids who would welcome the break from having to heal all the time). I'd say go for it, talk to Serrano, and say that I recommended you. We're doing Illidan tomorrow night to boot.

[Sytadel]

Website, raid times? Save me some leg-work here because I'm still thinking about it.

[Dunkurtin]

Being thinking about what will happen with Death knight professions in WotLK. Reckon they'll give them a boosted starting level, or make people go back and level them before they make it to outlands?

[tau]

Being thinking about what will happen with Death knight professions in WotLK. Reckon they'll give them a boosted starting level, or make people go back and level them before they make it to outlands?

Bahaha, can't wait for all those lvl55 death knights riding through ashenvale levelling herb, mining and skinning ;D

[Vindik8or]

Website, raid times? Save me some leg-work here because I'm still thinking about it.

http://www.pandaemonium-guild.com/

Raid times are nominally, 9:30pm invites, 10:00pm raid start, 2:00am raid end.

[Dunkurtin]

Bahaha, can't wait for all those lvl55 death knights riding through ashenvale levelling herb, mining and skinning ;D

At least if you have enough gold on your main you can pretty well pay up mining. Then skinning would prob be the next best as its always easier to find skinnable mobs than nodes. (Also you can't track both herbs and mineral!)

[Sytadel]

http://www.pandaemonium-guild.com/

Raid times are nominally, 9:30pm invites, 10:00pm raid start, 2:00am raid end.

You have three trees in that council kill photo >_>

That I'm making this many excuses is probably a good sign I don't want it badly enough :P

[Spazzallo]

At least if you have enough gold on your main you can pretty well pay up mining. Then skinning would prob be the next best as its always easier to find skinnable mobs than nodes. (Also you can't track both herbs and mineral!)

Set a macro to an accessible button (I usually use number 1 for most things, as it's my trinket button) and just spam it as you go through areas :). Problem solved!

[Vindik8or]

You have three trees in that council kill photo >_>

That I'm making this many excuses is probably a good sign I don't want it badly enough :P

We are always short on healers. As I explained before, two of those trees would rather be feral, and the other is PvP/Kara geared.

[Stormyau]

I've had a new method of keeping my WoW usage to a minimum.

I play until my 2nd "Oh **** this shit" moment and then log off for the day. Works wonders.

[Dunkurtin]

Set a macro to an accessible button (I usually use number 1 for most things, as it's my trinket button) and just spam it as you go through areas :). Problem solved!

Nah would probably still go with mining and skinning seeing as herb is the hardest of the lot to level. Skinning can be fairly quick as skinnable mobs are far more abundant than herb nodes and they respawn faster.

[Sytadel]

I've had a new method of keeping my WoW usage to a minimum.

I play until my 2nd "Oh **** this shit" moment and then log off for the day. Works wonders.

Yeah, that strategy has me playing a maximum of 20 minutes a day

8 minutes to que EoTS
2 minutes to lose EoTS (**** this #1)
8 minutes to que EoTS
2 minutes to lose EoTS (**** this #2)

[Araenel]

At least if you have enough gold on your main you can pretty well pay up mining. Then skinning would prob be the next best as its always easier to find skinnable mobs than nodes. (Also you can't track both herbs and mineral!)

Not really, smelting only gives points till about gold, then you have to get skill ups from iron onwards.

[Dunkurtin]

All three are very easy if you level them up while levelling.
Mining is probably the hardest when at 70.

Of course all three are easy to level while levelling. =P
Getting them toi 300 between levels 55-58 isnt so easy. Personally i think mining would be easier at this point as a lot of levels can be gained from buying ore and smelting it instead of finding nodes.

Not really, smelting only gives points till about gold, then you have to get skill ups from iron onwards.

Still cuts down on time a bit. And Iron/mithril is incredibly easy (laps around badlands) though thorium will still be a bit of a bitch to get up. But i imagine that bracket of Herbalism is just as painful.

[Silverwolf]

Yeah, but what araenel said :P You'd hit a wall pretty quick

[Dunkurtin]

Actually according the the numbers here: http://www.wowhead.com/?spells=11.186, you could level up completely through smelting. It would just cost a ****load due to going through green skills.

[Silverwolf]

Exactly why you don't do it.

[StorminNorman]

New alpha build adds an awesome new spell:

(51663) Slap to the Face - Delivers a face slap to all nearby players, stunning them. Targets affected by this ability can still communicate through the forums. Lasts until the next patch is released.

[Silverwolf]

Whats the Wotlk wiki again?
I want to check out the new stuff for rogues =o

[thegreatlordpancake]

Does anyone know what is the best spec for leveing druids?, as im contemplating rolling one.

[NiB]

Does anyone know what is the best spec for leveing druids?, as im contemplating rolling one.

Feral, but I suggest you go resto

[Sytadel]

Whats the Wotlk wiki again?
I want to check out the new stuff for rogues =o

http://wotlk.wikidot.com/

Saw this new hunter ability earlier:

Camouflage (Level 68, 5 min cooldown) - You Camouflage, causing you to blend in with your surroundings. Instantly removes all physical and spell debuffs, and you fade into an improved invisibility state. Camouflage will break after the you deal damage. Lasts until cancelled.

Awesome. Hi rogues, we'll take your CloS + Vanish and put it all in to one spell kthx.