World of Warcraft

[Sytadel]

ahahaha oh my god, my poor warrior, what ARE you doing to her? D:<

More a question of what you're doing to him >_>

[Bob the Destroyer]

AV win: 77minutes, 950+ honour. Joined it when 2 of my guildies and some others from Frostmourne were defending Drek (marshalls were already dead). Held on for about 10 minutes and marshalls started respawning. The turning point came when a leet rogue from our guild ninjaed the aid station back just as we had 3 marshalls wiping their raid out. After that we pushed to the offence and took Van apart.

Why can't all AVs have stories other than "zomg we raced to Van but lost lol omg"?

Also: Which PvP mount should I get for my pally? I'm leaning towards raptor atm but I'd like some opinions

[Araenel]

AV win: 77minutes, 950+ honour. Joined it when 2 of my guildies and some others from Frostmourne were defending Drek (marshalls were already dead). Held on for about 10 minutes and marshalls started respawning. The turning point came when a leet rogue from our guild ninjaed the aid station back just as we had 3 marshalls wiping their raid out. After that we pushed to the offence and took Van apart.

Why can't all AVs have stories other than "zomg we raced to Van but lost lol omg"?

Also: Which PvP mount should I get for my pally? I'm leaning towards raptor atm but I'd like some opinions

Had some great premade AVs over the weekend (there's a mod that allows the raid leader to queue everyone at once, you get the same AV most of the time :P)

10 minute wins for ~400-500 honor depending how many lieutenants you kill before winning.

As for mounts, I dunno, I like the raptor though.

[tau]

belfs + horse = awesome.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v494/tau/GuybrushTotallyAwesome.jpg

How can you say no?

[Ad-Rock]

My nelf has a ram and a horse. He looks so goofy on the ram, his knees are near his ears.

[Bob the Destroyer]

Tau: because I'm not an evil looking rogue so evil looking horses dont really do it for me. Kodos are always awesome though, especially with the 20% mount speed boost.

[Sytadel]

But they all get the move speed boost, nub.

I'm a raptor fan personally. I got a wolf on Sytadel though because I'm not looking to break the raptor's back.

Also, lookin' good!:

http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o246/Sytadel/ifhealsweresexidbeheffner.jpg

[Araenel]

But they all get the move speed boost, nub.

I'm a raptor fan personally. I got a wolf on Sytadel though because I'm not looking to break the raptor's back.

Also, lookin' good!:

http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o246/Sytadel/ifhealsweresexidbeheffner.jpg

He's talking about the way they run with the 20% boost, nub.

[Bob the Destroyer]

Well yeah, the Crusader aura. Didn't think I needed to point that one out but hey guess not.

3 more WSG and 5 AB marks to before I have to decide.

[FX-GTZ]

I havnt really gotten into the warrior class much, so i decided i'll try an undead.
The only thing is, i want my warrior to attack with fast speed and good attack power. Instead of swords, axe's or 2 handers, im sticking to daggers. Cant wait to 20 so i can finaly dual wield.

http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/1334/wowscrnshot090407185634zs9.jpg
Also, heres my char's armory profile if you want to check it out for yourself: http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Drenden&n=Yelkody

[Vindik8or]

The only thing is, i want my warrior to attack with fast speed and good attack power. Instead of swords, axe's or 2 handers, im sticking to daggers.
http://www.aoaforums.com/forum/attachments/mookydookys-just-for-laughs/16788-sandwiches-facepalm.jpg

[FX-GTZ]

Look, i'd rather lots of rage rather than 30 or 60. I figured if i hit with fast weapons, it would generate rage more faster.

[Araenel]

Look, i'd rather lots of rage rather than 30 or 60. I figured if i hit with fast weapons, it would generate rage more faster.

On other flipside though, a harder hitting weapon(s) will also generate a lot of rage.

[FX-GTZ]

Yep i realise that, but the rage takes longer to build up, especially with those 2 hander weapons.

[Theiffy]

I've seen quite a few warriors use daggers - BEEFBOX uses one for his fury set. Hell ive even seen warriors use rogue leather. o_O

[NiB]

Judging by tonights attempts my guild just isn't up to to taking down the curator in Kara.

Maybe it was just the grp makeup but we couldn't get enough DPS on the adds and take advantage during his triple dmg phase.

[tau]

I've seen quite a few warriors use daggers - BEEFBOX uses one for his fury set. Hell ive even seen warriors use rogue leather. o_O

Slow mainhand, fast offhand.

So yes, a dagger in the offhand.

NiB are your healers keeping up everyone? Are all DPS switching to the adds as soon as they spawn? No dps should be doing anything other than killing the adds as they spawn.

[NiB]

NiB are your healers keeping up everyone? Are all DPS switching to the adds as soon as they spawn? No dps should be doing anything other than killing the adds as they spawn.

Yeah that was the plan but we'd end up with 2 adds running around at the same time on some occasions. Although neither of our Locks were casting Curse of Doom at the right moment and most of our casters need to gear up for more mana as a couple were running to low to quickly.

Just thinking about it I'd like to take 2 priests,1 resto druid,1 lock,1 tank ,
3 mages, 1 rogue, 1 hunter

I think you could do him with 1 tank and a dedicated healer while the resto takes care of everyone else (who shouldn't be pulling to much aggro/dmg anyway) the second priest is shadow fro more DPS.

Our grp last night had 2 tanks and I think 3 healers but the 5 dps just wasn't enough to get the job done.

[Sytadel]

Tau, from EJ:

First of all, your rogue is likely getting trashed in the rogue on rogue fight. That's really no contest. Second of all, you need to play more aggressively. If you don't wanna get mana burned, the best way to go about it is to force him to have to heal. Use cyclones and feral charges and maims and whatever else to get the priest behind on healing. If your rogue is any good, you're likely able to kill their rogue without the priest getting off many casts period. It's certainly an uphill battle if your rogue is muti vs combat though. It's workable through a LOT of coordination.

My response:

I tried that a bit, but my rogue just complained of ProM bounces healing more than he was able to damage.

When the bear/cat control begins perhaps I could try cycloning the rogue (who has ProM), cleansing my partner, and having him switch to the priest for a while?

I can see this is going to be very coordination heavy...

I think it's tough, but doable.

thread (http://elitistjerks.com/f38/t14753-druid_resto_pvp_thread/p5/#post468640)

[FX-GTZ]

Kinda got bored with questing, so i took a break, while doing so, i climbed this ladder... To proove its climbable.
http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/2750/wowscrnshot090507131543fx8.jpg
By the way i got it on my second go, 8 jumps to the top isnt easy...

[StorminNorman]

The only thing is, i want my warrior to attack with fast speed and good attack power. Instead of swords, axe's or 2 handers, im sticking to daggers.

If you go Fury, then rage generation is absolutely not going to be a problem for you. The other issue is that your skills will do less damage, not to mention that there aren't a huge amount of daggers with "warrior stats" on them (ie stam/strength).

I'd really suggest going swords/axes/maces. Rage generation isn't going to be any worse, and, as you level up, you'll get skills that really mitigate it.

Also, heres my char's armory profile if you want to check it out for yourself: http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Drenden&n=Yelkody

Respec. Now. Imp Rend is completely pointless, as all it does is improve Rend, which is about the least useful skill a warrior has (it has some PvP utility, but mostly it's kind of awful.)

This is My warrior's spec (http://www.wowarmory.com/character-talents.xml?r=Jubei%27Thos&n=Tamaiko). I'm not saying it's any good or that I even know what I'm doing, but it should give you a good idea of where to go when putting points into fury.

If you want to mix it up, then you can get piercing howl (which is good for PvP) or maybe imp zerker rage (although fury rage generation is enough that this isn't a huge thing to miss).

For the points in Arms, I'm getting Imp Thunderclap and Imp Charge primarily as ghetto tanking talents. After that I'll get Anger Management (this is kind of what I'm getting instead of piercing howl) and Deep Wounds/Impale (which should be the goal of a fury warrior once they're done with the fury tree).

Obviously you can do what you want, but Imp Rend is made of fail and AIDS and you really shouldn't get it.

[MartyMcFly]

moved to Khaz'goroth and deleted my Alliance nub characters on Uther,


atm i've got a 35 Undead Rogue (Alt) and a 43 Tauren Druid (Main).

Druids FTW! :P

[Theiffy]

Is your druid feral? <_<

When i first started playing i had a rogue main and a feral druid alt and people were like why would you make *another* rogue. :P

[Sytadel]

I swore by feral for so long, but now I'm healing and loving it (scrubs reference!). I actually doubt I'll ever play a dps class again. In WotLK I may try tanking, but I'd like to try a unique type of tank (prot paladin or death knight), or failing that, another healer (shaman or priest).

If I went purely PvP I'd probably play an elemental shaman.

Bored at uni, bustin chops

[Marcu]

I just heard about the upcoming expansion, and all I have to say is 'So sudden?' It's fantastically pointless that they are releasing another expansion so soon. It will no doubt be the same as before, your current gear will be overshadowed quickly with new Lich kind esque gear. Pointless.

[Araenel]

I just heard about the upcoming expansion, and all I have to say is 'So sudden?' It's fantastically pointless that they are releasing another expansion so soon. It will no doubt be the same as before, your current gear will be overshadowed quickly with new Lich kind esque gear. Pointless.

I agree. Let's all mass suicide. Going to die anyway.

[StorminNorman]

Quick question: what's the best faction for a warrior with Blacksmithing/Mining as professions: Aldor or Scryer?

According to this page (http://www.wowwiki.com/Aldor_vs._Scryer), most warriors choose Aldor.

[Araenel]

Neither particularly. Aldor gets a fantastic selection of fire resist gear to craft, but there's absolutely no need to do so. You could use it to level from 360-375 but there's far cheaper recipes if you can get them (Felsteel stuff from Auchindoun instances).

[StorminNorman]

Apparently this sword (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=29124) is the main reason to go Aldor.

[MartyMcFly]

i just find most things i've heard of WotLK very uninteresting and lazy. Like the death knight being horde & ally and also being available as a 50 something character. Also the first 25man raid will be a carbon copy of Naxx scaled for 25 man, and the nre tier armour will basically be a re-skinned tier 3. Check the blue posts on the WoW forum if you don't believe me (yes i'm lazy).

[StorminNorman]

Death Knight sounds like the class I've wanted to play in WoW since day one, to be honest.

[FX-GTZ]

Yeah it has a cool name to it, and using runes and things, a bit like totems really, but will it be a popular class? Im guessing it would be since most players would pick it to get there money's worth.

[TSplodey]

I'd like to try a unique type of tank (prot paladin or death knight), or failing that, another healer (shaman or priest).
Selektra says hi! Dinged 62 today and got Aura of Awesome. :)

[Theiffy]

Hey stormy there's an Skyguard NPC called "Sky Commander Adaris" :P

[tau]

And it's a belf and could possibly be a hunter!

[Flaps]

Dinged 70 two nights ago, started getting keyed for Kara, finishing up quests to get dailies, and Netherdrake quests. Ah, I love being 70.

[Stormyau]

Hey stormy there's an Skyguard NPC called "Sky Commander Adaris" :P
:.O

And it's a belf and could possibly be a hunter!
:.O

[Bob the Destroyer]

Getting sick of healing, tried to take my warrior into Kara tonight but no luck. As soon as we needed another healer I had to jump back and healbot. Bloody DPS plate boots dropped off Nightbane as well :(

[Silverwolf]

Got accepted into Shidavere earlier, and already I like it more than AuRa. Although i wont be able to go to every raid chances are i'll be able to raid more than once per week =D

[Araenel]

Got accepted into Shidavere earlier, and already I like it more than AuRa. Although i wont be able to go to every raid chances are i'll be able to raid more than once per week =D

Haha, you've almost guild-hopped as much as me or tau (or syt!). Dirty guild hopper :P

[TrinityJayOne]

Speaking of which! Syt, major lack of raiding healers on FM, c/d? I've had people from various raiding guilds contact me the past few play sessions, from guilds starting Kara to ones that don't even bother with it anymore, despite me still being lv68. Maybe word of my awesomeness has been floating around. >_>

[Stormyau]

Someone run me through something...

...or at the very least, kill the 55 elite felhound in Blasted Lands for me.


Blizz really didn't plan for the fact that when the expansion came, people wouldn't be looking for groups at 55 for the old instances, making it much more difficult to level 55-58. :|

[tau]

Actually... iirc I saw somewhere that they're changing elites for quests into normal mobs to compensate for that :P

I might be completely wrong though, but I do remember something like that.

[Silverwolf]

Haha, you've almost guild-hopped as much as me or tau (or syt!). Dirty guild hopper :P
Ugh, I know. I don't really like doing it but if the guild doesn't supply what i want in a guild i'm not staying =P

[NiB]

Ugh, I know. I don't really like doing it but if the guild doesn't supply what i want in a guild i'm not staying =P

You dirty guild whore :P

Its bloody hard to find a guild that fits just right, there's probably only a few great guilds in existence that have that perfect balance between the social aspect (where the members are fun to talk too and you can have a joke) and the hardcore who are all business and raid like their lives depended on it.

[Araenel]

Someone run me through something...

...or at the very least, kill the 55 elite felhound in Blasted Lands for me.


Blizz really didn't plan for the fact that when the expansion came, people wouldn't be looking for groups at 55 for the old instances, making it much more difficult to level 55-58. :|

Well most people just get friends to run them through those places.

Clearly you're missing an important element in that process >_>

[Stormyau]

Well most people just get friends to run them through those places.

Clearly you're missing an important element in that process >_>
Oh you monster...


4000th post used in WoW thread. Run me through something in celebration!

[TrinityJayOne]

A friend dug up an oooooold screeny of us when I was on Shadow Council! Short version of the story is that he made a lv1 rogue on my realm (which was RP) to say hello, and some random female Human asked if she could be his slave. We found this hilarious and went along with it for our own amusement, with me claiming to already be his slave. I'll see if he has more, some of the stuff we got her to do was priceless (mostly MPFC references :P).

http://members.optusnet.com.au/trinwow/MeHefSlavegirlWoW.jpg


Also, ding lv69 and cue identity crisis!

http://members.optusnet.com.au/trinwow/identitycrisis.jpg

[TSplodey]

http://members.optusnet.com.au/trinwow/identitycrisis.jpg
I wish I had a robe with +32 mana plastered across the front. Also, if I didnt know any better Id say thats my GMs alt in the background, Cottonsocks.

[Sytadel]

Speaking of which! Syt, major lack of raiding healers on FM, c/d? I've had people from various raiding guilds contact me the past few play sessions, from guilds starting Kara to ones that don't even bother with it anymore, despite me still being lv68. Maybe word of my awesomeness has been floating around. >_>

Major lack of raiders on FM, period. That you're a healer is certainly a bonus though. Skilled players are always in demand.

[Silverwolf]

So... first raid with Shidavere.
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b141/omgwolfeh/claw.jpg
Very very very happy =)

[Dunkurtin]

My shamans coming along nicely, thanks to Silverwolf. =)

Lvl 28 now. Silverwolf took me into RFK tonight and got me http://www.wowhead.com/?item=6687. So i expect i'll hit 29 very early tomorrow. =P
Also got my alchemy to 175 tonight. Tried getting the Shadow Protection Potion recipe but it wasn't at the vendor and its way too late to camp.

http://www.wowhead.com/?item=6687 - there he is if anyone interested.

[Araenel]

So long blue level tanking pants (which were pretty good though). Hello tier 5 :P

http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/1217/wowscrnshot090707021919sn8.jpg

[GT_Racer]

So long blue level tanking pants (which were pretty good though). Hello tier 5 :P



Sweet as, my tank is looking more and more noobish by the second with his 1 epic, hopefully that will change in Kara tonight if our only 2 70 priests decide to turn up.

I have finally left the Bunnehs behind. Didn't realise how much I held that guild together. Numbers are down from 250 to 190 since I left and that was only 12 days ago.

Crossaint Crusaders are a good bunch of people with some ex-hardcore raiders and a lot of noobs like me.

Have enough people for 2 Kara Teams but yeah need more priests for sure, could almost get raids together every night if we had more priests.

At least attumen falls like a sack of shit now and we have made it past the stumbling block that is Moroes.

[TSplodey]

I have finally left the Bunnehs behind. Didn't realise how much I held that guild together. Numbers are down from 250 to 190 since I left and that was only 12 days ago.

Thats all your bloody Bone alts. :P

[GT_Racer]

Thats all your bloody Bone alts. :P

Haha nah, I still have 7 of my 10 toons in there including the guild bank (The GM is yet to decide what to do with the coupla thousand gold worth of stuff in there). Once empty though I'll have a spare lvl 1 toon with 10 Imbued netherweave bags and a 20 slot enchanting bag :lol:

[Silverwolf]

Thats all your bloody Bone alts. :P
I lol'd

[Theiffy]

Wolfy, i'm up to the slabs bit in the kara chain (on rogue) we should rogue it up for the SV bit and solo imo. >:3

[tau]

you mean duo?

<_<

[Theiffy]

That was obviously a very obvious mistake, so obvious that it didn't need pointing out so go whinge elsewhere :<

[Sytadel]

So long blue level tanking pants (which were pretty good though). Hello tier 5 :P

lol grats, and after all that 'D:' over curator legs.

Also, rofl, nice to see intruder still doesn't know how to play hunter >_>. don't tell him i said that!

Also, we downed solarian last night. Check out our WWS (http://www.lossendil.com/wws/?report=5ykacqy4mmwea) to see who is pro heals!

[TrinityJayOne]

Wolfy, i'm up to the slabs bit in the kara chain (on rogue) we should rogue it up for the SV bit and solo imo. >:3
I'll come too keke

[TSplodey]

Weeee Karathress down, first night of proper attempts. Although thanks to my low stam I spent about 50% of the total time dead. <_<

[Sytadel]

Weeee Karathress down, first night of proper attempts. Although thanks to my low stam I spent about 50% of the total time dead. <_<

How'd you die? If a totem killed you while MT was kiting boss, nub you. If totem killed you otherwise, nub dps. If something else killed you - wtf!?

[TSplodey]

Try chain Shadowbolts.

[Sytadel]

Shadowbolts only hit ~50% of your max HP, so whatever HP you have is irrelevent. All that matters is you get a decent heal between one bolt and the next, which shouldn't be hard, since it has a cooldown of a few seconds.

[TSplodey]

It does a knockdown which is like a small stun. Spitfire + Shadowbolt + Spitfire = Dead. I know what the boss abilities do.

[Sytadel]

I know what the boss abilities do.

But apparently not what "chain" means!

[TSplodey]

Now youre just talking shit.

[Queenie]

A friend dug up an oooooold screeny of us when I was on Shadow Council! Short version of the story is that he made a lv1 rogue on my realm (which was RP) to say hello, and some random female Human asked if she could be his slave. We found this hilarious and went along with it for our own amusement, with me claiming to already be his slave. I'll see if he has more, some of the stuff we got her to do was priceless (mostly MPFC references :P).

http://members.optusnet.com.au/trinwow/MeHefSlavegirlWoW.jpg


Also, ding lv69 and cue identity crisis!




Who cares about your identity crisis, WHAT OF THE PIE? caps.

[Clift]

I need a Druid's opinion here! Staff of Natural Fury, worth 1000g+ ?

One on the AH atm, 1000 bid 1500 BO... Quite tempting to buy, but it means no epic flying mount for a lot longer :razz:

So, (Syt, I'm looking at you here) To buy or not to buy? :D

[StorminNorman]

Warrior question...

We all know my warrior's current build (http://www.wowarmory.com/character-talents.xml?r=Jubei%27Thos&n=Tamaiko) (just imagine Arms is filled with points in Deep Wounds, Anger Management, Imp Overpower and Impale), but... I've been thinking...

Instead of putting points into Arms to support Fury, would it be a little better, from the point of view of those times I'm called upon to tank, to put 17 points into Prot instead? I'm thinking a build like this one. (http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/warrior/talents.html?0000000000000000000000005050005525010 05310512305011330000000000000) The idea being that when I tank a five-man, I can at least do it with some competence.

Or am I just being stupid and should either go full prot or fury/arms like I am going? All I'm after is a bit better utility as a sort-of "ghetto-tank".

Not that I have too many problems tanking at the moment, but I know that, as I progress through Outland, it will be harder and harder for me to fulfill that role if I have to.

Or should I just tell my druid friend to respec tanking-feral and never do an instance without him?

[Queenie]

Well, I have 2 things to say.

It's beyond me why you still have a Mail Belt equipped at lvl 60. or Jaina's signet ring.
But honestly, think about getting a good shield and trying that out in a few instances before you go all gung-ho on the prot. spec thing.

[StorminNorman]

What mail belt? ;)

(Said belt, btw, was an Outland item that upgraded the late-40s belt I had been wearing to that point.)

If I could find a worthwhile upgrade to Jaina's, then I'd be wearing it. The AH on J'T fails at rings, and I haven't come across a quest with a good ring reward yet.

I have been tanking with a shitty Outland green shield (Adamantite Kite Shield, if you must know), and I'll take anything better I come across.

[Bob the Destroyer]

Meh, I hardly ever tank with my Fury warrior in instances. Theres plenty of other classes (well 2, druids and pallys) that want to prove that they're better tanks so I say lets them do it instead.

[StorminNorman]

On and off, I've been letting shamans do that. They seem pretty good at the whole "aggro generation" thing. And they duel-wield while doing it.

The issue that prevents me from being able to just go fury and let someone else do the tanking is that J'T has a serious lack of tanks (of any kind) once you get past level 50 or so.

[Bob the Destroyer]

Must be a nub server since any Pally worth his mana specs protection for leveling. Druids also have the added bonus of having their melee dps and tanking talents in the same tree (OPed?)

[StorminNorman]

Paladins on J'T are exclusively ret specced.

[Dunkurtin]

Must be a nub server since any Pally worth his mana specs protection for leveling. Druids also have the added bonus of having their melee dps and tanking talents in the same tree (OPed?)
Having played ret and currently leveling a prot pally on and off i can confidently say that ret is probably better for leveling. Quicker and easier.

[Bob the Destroyer]

Having leveled a Paladin all the way to 70, 35 onwards as Prot, I can confidently say a prot pally can kill 5 mobs way faster than a ret and come out with more mana and health. Just got to know how to play them I guess

[TrinityJayOne]

Must be a nub server since any Pally worth his mana specs protection for leveling. Druids also have the added bonus of having their melee dps and tanking talents in the same tree (OPed?)
It depends. While that's generally true, there are a few talents that are specific to cat and a few that are specific to bear, and you can't get them all without dumping everything in Feral. Basically an optimal Feral DPS spec isn't the optimal spec for tanking (although the change to Sharpened Claws and its follow up talents made a huge difference here). Also, Droods that think tanking and DPS gear is identical make me sad in the pants.

[Queenie]

What mail belt? ;)

(Said belt, btw, was an Outland item that upgraded the late-40s belt I had been wearing to that point.)

If I could find a worthwhile upgrade to Jaina's, then I'd be wearing it. The AH on J'T fails at rings, and I haven't come across a quest with a good ring reward yet.

I have been tanking with a shitty Outland green shield (Adamantite Kite Shield, if you must know), and I'll take anything better I come across.

just see if you can find a truesilver commander's ring. That's better than nothing.

basically +7 warrior stats.

[StorminNorman]

Having played ret and currently leveling a prot pally on and off i can confidently say that ret is probably better for leveling. Quicker and easier.
Having been playing ret pallies on and off since starting WoW two years ago, and having switched my pallie to Prot a month or so ago, I can safely say that I agree with Bob.

[Vindik8or]

Not if you know how to do it. I levelled my Paladin faster than my Rogue.

[Silverwolf]

Not if you know how to do it. I levelled my Paladin faster than my Rogue.
Your pally wasn't your first character, though :P

[Stormyau]

Your pally wasn't your first character, though :P
But if Vin plays his Rogue like he does his Hunter, it doesn't matter.

AKA CRAPLY.

[Dunkurtin]

Having leveled a Paladin all the way to 70, 35 onwards as Prot, I can confidently say a prot pally can kill 5 mobs way faster than a ret and come out with more mana and health. Just got to know how to play them I guess
I think this might be a case of you not knowing how to utilise ret properly. JUst because you tank all 5 of your mobs at once doesn't mean you kill them quicker. When i played ret i could easily take a mob down at least twice as fast as a prot Paladin could using relatively little mana. Even with a couple second in between to move to a new mob it would not take any longer to kill 5 mobs.

[SOX]

Hey guys, I've been doing a bit of exploring with my toon and was wondering if you guys knew any places that are reachable through a bit of wall jumping or glitches that I haven't done already.
So far I've been to:
Old IF
Unfinished ZG
IF Airport
Underneath SW
and into Hyjal (before being ported out).

[Araenel]

Hey guys, I've been doing a bit of exploring with my toon and was wondering if you guys knew any places that are reachable through a bit of wall jumping or glitches that I haven't done already.
So far I've been to:
Old IF
Unfinished ZG
IF Airport
Underneath SW
and into Hyjal (before being ported out).

In the wetlands and stonetalon mountains, there's some big hill with 'HELP' written out on the ground on the top. No idea whereabouts in the zones they are, just seen the top of the hill.

[Queenie]

West of the ST mountains, there's a few lumber camps and whatnot nestled away up there- you fly over them if you go to ST mounts from Auberdine... or was it teldrassil? or exodar? i forget.

Don't forget to go to that hut in between SW and Dun murogh, north on the coast from Westfall. Funny thing is, when you're there, you don't actually show up as being anywhere, parody on "no man's land".


There's an article on "closed areas" on the WoWWiki.

[StorminNorman]

Apparently, for the briefest of moments, new human characters spawn at that "Newman's Landing" place before they're teleported to Northshire.

Not sure if it's still possible, but before TBC, it was possible to get into the vast blank space up behind Eastern Plaguelands. You could even see "under" Stratholme.

There's a blank area between Feralas and Desolace, which is notionally occupied by Dire Maul. You can see it on the world map when you're doing the Alliance SM quest in Southern Desolace, and also when you're heading into DM. I've never tried to get there in-game, though, and don't even know if it is possible.

A long time ago, there was a massive section of incomplete/blank world geometry on the southwest corner of Kalimdor (on the coastline off Silithus). You can swim down from Feathermoon Stronghold in Feralas to get to it. I don't know if it's still there, but at the time the water became a vast white nothingness that you can run across. There's a few gaps in the world down there (near the sheer cliff that marks where the continent actually ends), so be careful.

[Clift]

So, after some debate I went and bought myself a Staff of Natural Fury (http://thottbot.com/i31334) for 1000g :D

Sure, could've saved it and put it towards my Epic Flight training but meh, I'll fly faster a little bit later in life :P

[Stormyau]

So, logged in to play my Shaman for a bit, and I'm falling through Stonetalon, not dieing but can't hearth etc.

Didn't even log out in Stonetalon.

[TSplodey]

More epix tonight. Did Mag, got lewts, I got http://wowhead.com/?item=28781 to replace my random green offhand. :P Queue someone saying how junk it is or why didnt you get x instead and blah blah.

[Dunkurtin]

Queue someone saying how junk it is or why didnt you get x instead and blah blah.
OMG thats so shit!!!
Why didn't you get http://wowhead.com/?item=6529 instead?
Bloody nub.
:razz:

[StorminNorman]

I was feeling a bit bored with HFP, so I jumped on my Paladin for the first time in a few weeks, found myself tanking* a ZF run, and scored Boots of Avoidance (http://wowhead.com/?item=14549) off a random mob in there with surprisingly little drama.

*: Where "tanking" means trying to keep up with the hunter that's chain-pulling the entire instance. We actually only wound up killing Ghaz'rilla.

[Stormyau]

I was feeling a bit bored with HFP, so I jumped on my Paladin for the first time in a few weeks, found myself tanking* a ZF run, and scored Boots of Avoidance (http://wowhead.com/?item=14549) off a random mob in there with surprisingly little drama.

*: Where "tanking" means trying to keep up with the hunter that's chain-pulling the entire instance. We actually only wound up killing Ghaz'rilla.
Boots of Avoidance was the mascot of the guild I used to be in. :D

[Vindik8or]

I think this might be a case of you not knowing how to utilise ret properly. JUst because you tank all 5 of your mobs at once doesn't mean you kill them quicker. When i played ret i could easily take a mob down at least twice as fast as a prot Paladin could using relatively little mana. Even with a couple second in between to move to a new mob it would not take any longer to kill 5 mobs.
My current record is 22 mobs. I could get more, but handling the evasion resets gets too tough.

[tau]

don't AoE effects have a diminishing return after 10 targets?

I guess the main damage is aura of retribution or whatever?

[Araenel]

don't AoE effects have a diminishing return after 10 targets?

I guess the main damage is aura of retribution or whatever?

Holy shield spam too.

[Vindik8or]

don't AoE effects have a diminishing return after 10 targets?

I guess the main damage is aura of retribution or whatever?
No...

Retribution Aura actually mustn't be that much damage now that I think about it, since most attacks are blocked or otherwise mitigated, but it is still a staple of Paladin threat generation.

Holy Shield Spam, yes.

[tau]

That just sounds silly then - doesn't it hit a maximum of 4 targets? What's the use of having more than that?

[Araenel]

That just sounds silly then - doesn't it hit a maximum of 4 targets? What's the use of having more than that?

So when those 4 die you don't have to go have to go get new ones straight away?

Or the best answer: because you can. :P

[Flaps]

Did Mech tonight with the gayest of gay hunters, spammed multi-shot /train and 'GJ GUSY' with the occasional 'I AM TEH BEST HUNTER' (NO bullshit, this is word for word).

Also wanted BL helm even though he had these http://thottbot.com/i32474

[Mouldy]

Requesting an updated list of peoples mains on Frostmourne, Horde. Trin informs me many new people have been playing, and frankly my old list is out of date (Ascarn LoL) !!

[TSplodey]

Tsplodey 70 Priest
Selektra 63 Paladin

Both Gulchtrotters.

I DIDNT PM YOU AND THERES NOTHING YOU CAN DO ABOUT IT.

[Stormyau]

Requesting an updated list of peoples mains on Frostmourne, Horde. Trin informs me many new people have been playing, and frankly my old list is out of date (Ascarn LoL) !!
And they come craaaaaaaaawling back. :P

[tau]

http://www.hyperactive.com.au/showthread.php?t=7997

little out of date but you can see mainly what characters people play.

[TrinityJayOne]

I think this might be a case of you not knowing how to utilise ret properly. JUst because you tank all 5 of your mobs at once doesn't mean you kill them quicker. When i played ret i could easily take a mob down at least twice as fast as a prot Paladin could using relatively little mana. Even with a couple second in between to move to a new mob it would not take any longer to kill 5 mobs.
I've linked something similar in the old thread I think, but regardless...

jo-pKvWwfkE

I specifically picked that one for the music. :D

[StorminNorman]

Suddenly I want to level my Paladin to 70 again.

[Theiffy]

It's not what spec you are, it's how well you play your character blah blah what ive been saying for years <_<

[Dunkurtin]

I've linked something similar in the old thread I think, but regardless...

jo-pKvWwfkE

I specifically picked that one for the music. :D
I don't really see any relevance between this and my post seeing as mine is talking about leveling, not already being 70. >_>
Sweet video though, I always wanted to spec prot once i got to 70 just so i could do that.


On that note, got bored the other day so i jumped on my pally and respecced him prot ready for outlands. Ran into an old guildie in Western Plaguelands. Everyone still remembers me and wishes that i hadn't of left so i could have taken over the guild instead of it being disbanded. Did a few AV's, they're a lot more fun when you can actually tank mobs. Also went went into BRD, had the warrior bitch about me taking too much agro cos i ended up taking a few mobs of his hands. I wasn't even spamming holy damage to take agro, i only took it when he screwed up and overpulled so i'd drop consecrate and take most of the mobs agro. Besides i tanked more mobs with less life loss than him anyway. Also, when i am main tank in an instance should i be using Seal of Crusader and Righteous for extra holy threat or should consecrate be enough?

It's not what spec you are, it's how well you play your character blah blah what ive been saying for years <_<Definetly, why can't more people realise this?

[Stormyau]

I specifically picked that one for the music. :D
Hell March. :D


Is that video from a current patch, or has it been nerfed?

[Araenel]

Hell March. :D


Is that video from a current patch, or has it been nerfed?

The mods they were using (specifically quartz) are pretty recent, so I wouldn't think it was that long ago.

[Sytadel]

http://www.hyperactive.com.au/showthread.php?t=7997

little out of date but you can see mainly what characters people play.

I generally try and keep Frostmourne up to date, but it's up to you, the players

to PM me (OUT OF SHEER STUBBONNESS, SPLODEY)

to keep it up to date!

[Beinkasaurus Rex]

It totally sucks when you're sick, have nothing to do and YOU ONLY HAVE DIAL UP BECAUSE YOU'RE CURRENTLY UPGRADING TO ADSL 2 =(
Oh yeah, Ruda, Mouldy, Dunkurtin, Spud etc, I won't be on for a little longer for this very reason =(

[Dunkurtin]

It totally sucks when you're sick, have nothing to do and YOU ONLY HAVE DIAL UP BECAUSE YOU'RE CURRENTLY UPGRADING TO ADSL 2 =(
Oh yeah, Ruda, Mouldy, Dunkurtin, Spud etc, I won't be on for a little longer for this very reason =(
Look on the bright side of this situation, once you do start playing we will all be high enough to run you through RFC, WC, BFD and SFK!

[StorminNorman]

It's not what spec you are, it's how well you play your character blah blah what ive been saying for years <_<
Tell that to a Shaman or Paladin.

Playing well can make up for a spec's inadequacies to an extent, but it can't hide them. Even the best Retadins say that the build's DPS is well below par.

There's also the issue that a lot of guilds tend to do what's known as "min/maxing", where they optimise the raid make-up for the best possible DPS output. Retadins often find themselves left out of those raids because there's no good reason to take a Paladin that can only effectively DPS over a Rogue, who will do much, much more DPS than the Retadin can make up for, even with utility. Some raids take one Retadin for Crusader Strike, but... even that's not necessary, really.

Basically, there are some specs (Ret isn't the only one) in the game right now that simply aren't living up to their intended capability, either through poor talent synergy or lack of good gear choices. Even the minimal amounts of skill it takes to play WoW can't make up for that.

[Dunkurtin]

Tell that to a Shaman or Paladin.

Playing well can make up for a spec's inadequacies to an extent, but it can't hide them. Even the best Retadins say that the build's DPS is well below par.

There's also the issue that a lot of guilds tend to do what's known as "min/maxing", where they optimise the raid make-up for the best possible DPS output. Retadins often find themselves left out of those raids because there's no good reason to take a Paladin that can only effectively DPS over a Rogue, who will do much, much more DPS than the Retadin can make up for, even with utility. Some raids take one Retadin for Crusader Strike, but... even that's not necessary, really.

Basically, there are some specs (Ret isn't the only one) in the game right now that simply aren't living up to their intended capability, either through poor talent synergy or lack of good gear choices. Even the minimal amounts of skill it takes to play WoW can't make up for that.
Note: I know what im about to say may not apply to end game.

A good Ret build has quite feasible DPS. Proof of this is the fact that i used to constantly top all damage charts in instances with my Paladin. Even when i went through a phase of not being bothered to upgrade gear and was massively undergeared for my level.

EDIT: OH and also in my experience i find that Ret Paladins are usually more PvP orientated, not so interested in raids in the first place.

[Silverwolf]

Yeah dunkurtin, but as you said, that doesn't really apply to end game. If you actually read what Stormin wrote, even if the spec's build is good and the player is good, it still may be shit in comparison to another spec, thats the problem with Ret at the moment.

Instance dps pre 70 means shit, because most of the time people either have no idea how to play their class or are still learning. or the are slacking off (eg. my first SM lib run ever I spent the whole time reading the books on the ground - i learnt so much about warcraft lore :P)
When I played teegs' paladin on Jubei'thos I found the dps painful compared to my rogue, even against undead mobs.
Plus prot pallies > > > > Ret paladins in pvp now I believe, mainly because they have insane surivability.
Ret is broken :(

[Dunkurtin]

Yes... but the discussion was originally about what spec is best for leveling, not end game. So end game doesn't really come into it. >_>

[Araenel]

Note: I know what im about to say may not apply to end game.

A good Ret build has quite feasible DPS. Proof of this is the fact that i used to constantly top all damage charts in instances with my Paladin. Even when i went through a phase of not being bothered to upgrade gear and was massively undergeared for my level.

EDIT: OH and also in my experience i find that Ret Paladins are usually more PvP orientated, not so interested in raids in the first place.

That's more of an indication of your party sucking though >_>

[Sytadel]

Basically, there are some specs (Ret isn't the only one) in the game right now that simply aren't living up to their intended capability, either through poor talent synergy or lack of good gear choices. Even the minimal amounts of skill it takes to play WoW can't make up for that.

Amen. I think retribution paladins have it worst though, I know of 1-2 prot paladins, 1-2 elemental shaman, and even a moonkin on Frostmourne but every post-gruul guild considers retribution paladins a joke.

Mind you, my opinion is that any true to-notch player can make any spec valid in a pre-kael guild. An oomkin running at 100% outperforms even a properly specced warlock running at 90%, and any guild that hasn't killed kael'thas definetly has players running at 70-90%. When we talk of min-maxing we generally speak only of deep Hyjal/BT guilds. Heck, my druid is PvP spec and check out my healing output on our best Kael attempt (http://www.lossendil.com/wws/?report=nzutf1ofyl2ce&s=1459-2039).

[Silverwolf]

Heck, my druid is PvP spec and check out my healing output on our best Kael attempt (http://www.lossendil.com/wws/?report=nzutf1ofyl2ce&s=1459-2039).
I bet if you Respec Kael will be dead by next Tuesday :P

Dunkurtin you noub, all i was talking about was pre 70, when i played teegs' pally it was the same level as yours is now.

[FX-GTZ]

Level 60, yay, almost 61 atm, but im gonna play my warrior for a while...
Oh and i got my first taste of socket armor, check out my leggings; http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Tanaris&n=Xjokoz

I know, i should have put in the +14 attack power gem instead of the +8 attack power gem, but i didnt have enough marks yet so, +8 for two more days.

[Vindik8or]

I've linked something similar in the old thread I think, but regardless...

jo-pKvWwfkE

I specifically picked that one for the music. :D
I should try that...

One day I should download and figure out fraps or something and make videos of some of my exploits. Like pulling half the mobs at the Heap in Netherstorm, or tanking all of the trash in Black Morass in one pull.

[Stormyau]

I should try that...

One day I should download and figure out fraps or something and make videos of some of my exploits. Like pulling half the mobs at the Heap in Netherstorm, or tanking all of the trash in Black Morass in one pull.
Yeah, then we might believe you. :P

[NiB]

I wish they'd either do something with or get rid off the old pvp titles.

Also I made the noobish mistake of thinking you couldn't insert Gems over the top of old ones so I proceeded to buy a brand new felsteel set and gems before simply testing it out on my existing stuff.

[Silverwolf]

Level 60, yay, almost 61 atm, but im gonna play my warrior for a while...
Oh and i got my first taste of socket armor, check out my leggings; http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Tanaris&n=Xjokoz

I know, i should have put in the +14 attack power gem instead of the +8 attack power gem, but i didnt have enough marks yet so, +8 for two more days.
Go to auction house and buy yourself some Bright Blood Garnet. +12 AP and no more than 3g
Those white gems are useless.

[Stormyau]

Ok, I'm getting sick of putting the quests I need in the Looking for Groups tab without getting a single hit the entire time I'm on, and no replies to my LFM calls in general.


10g to whoever kills 3 elites for me, or 3g per elite and 4g for the hydra.

I'm after:

- The dusk bat 60 elite in EPL.
- The grub 60 elite in EPL.
- The hydra 56 elite in Azshara.

Give us a msg @ Adaris.

[TSplodey]

That's more of an indication of your party sucking though >_>

Did Slave Pens on pally today, topped dps again.

:\

[Dunkurtin]

That's more of an indication of your party sucking though >_>
Or maybe i was good at ret?

[StorminNorman]

A good Ret build has quite feasible DPS. Proof of this is the fact that i used to constantly top all damage charts in instances with my Paladin. Even when i went through a phase of not being bothered to upgrade gear and was massively undergeared for my level.
I have never, ever, as a mage or a rogue, lost to an equivalently geared/levelled Retadin for DPS.

I went Prot on my Paladin at 41, and haven't noticed a significant difference in DPS from being Ret. What I have noticed is the utterly ridiculous survivability that Prot grants. My only problem at the moment is downtime between fights because I have buggerall Int.

(Something that I've found incredibly frustrating as a warrior is the complete inability of that class to handle more than one mob effectively at a time. Getting an add while out grinding can be quite dangerous, and getting more than one is generally a death sentence.)

[Queenie]

Not if you're playing as a Arms spec.

Sweeping strikes+cleave= rinse and repeat.


I saw a world dragon yesterday. Taerar, or something like that. A whole bunch of people, like 200 or so showed up to try to kill him. So fun.

[Vindik8or]

I have never, ever, as a mage or a rogue, lost to an equivalently geared/levelled Retadin for DPS.

I went Prot on my Paladin at 41, and haven't noticed a significant difference in DPS from being Ret. What I have noticed is the utterly ridiculous survivability that Prot grants. My only problem at the moment is downtime between fights because I have buggerall Int.

(Something that I've found incredibly frustrating as a warrior is the complete inability of that class to handle more than one mob effectively at a time. Getting an add while out grinding can be quite dangerous, and getting more than one is generally a death sentence.)
As much as I ignored it before, I've found that Seal of Wisdom is great to make up for the low int of Prot Spec when you're soloing.

[Stormyau]

I'd just like to point out how awesome Silverwolf is.

[Second]

On a scale of one to ten, I'd say he's rather awesome.

[Sytadel]

Just for the record, I'd like to say that implying that Ret topping dps being due to "people not understanding it" is to imply that the 2,500+ players in 100+ odd Illidan killing guilds worldwide have not discovered what you have as a sub-70 player :P

[TSplodey]

On a scale of one to ten, I'd say he's rather awesome.

Wait how does 'rather awesome' fit on a numerical scale???

Yes its server reset!

[Theiffy]

Hebe was a ret pally for ages and consistently did awesome dps. O.o

Then he got epix and started beating rogues <_<

[StorminNorman]

That's because the rogues were managing their aggro. :P

[Vindik8or]

Any rogue worth their salt should not be beaten in DPS given equal circumstances. Otherwise there is no point in bringing them.

[Dunkurtin]

there is no point in bringing them.
That pretty much sums up my old guildies opinion on rogues. :razz:

[Vindik8or]

I'll bet they had fun on Shade and Romulo & Julianne.

[Dunkurtin]

I wouldn't know, he went back to his 70 druid on Barthilas or w/e it is a long time ago.

[Vindik8or]

OH YOU MEAN GUILDY'S!

Big difference.

[Theiffy]

Thats not the point nubs, sigh.

No paladin should beat anyone on dps full stop, because theyre meant to be a support class (thats right paladin nubs HEALING spec is the only useful one) but it doesnt mean you can't go out and have a bit of fun and try it out. You'll find the best players could prolly beat whoever class in dps if they tried hard enough and got awesome gear (just like Hebe did) as much as you all whinge skill > everything else.

All because Ret is useless raid wise doesn't mean it doesn't have *good* things about it and it doesn't mean it's not fun!

Raiding is all wow is about and it's such srs business! :<

[Dunkurtin]

Maybe that's why i'm the only one who likes ret. I've never been on a raid before. = | Unless you count the time Beinke dragged me along for attacking Splintertree post, but that was a disaster. >_>

[Theiffy]

If you can heal, that's what you'll be speccing (if you choose to raid) :P Ret's prolly more just for levelling/*****ing around with. I guess you could get away with it in instances but generally people want a tank or a healer.

[Bob the Destroyer]

Yeah if I had a choice between bringing another DPS class or a ret pally, I'd guess I'd go a pally especially in a 25man. The more pally buffs the better I say, the extra 5-10% buff to the whole raid can really make a difference

[Vindik8or]

Throwing out the buffs gets interesting with more than about three Paladins in a raid.

[Beinkasaurus Rex]

Maybe that's why i'm the only one who likes ret. I've never been on a raid before. = | Unless you count the time Beinke dragged me along for attacking Splintertree post, but that was a disaster. >_>

Oh god I was so bored then =P
Haha, memories :`) I still remember pussying out on the tower and watching as everyone else was humiliated =P

[SOX]

If you can heal, that's what you'll be speccing (if you choose to raid) :P
Oh noes, I'm spec'd Shadow and raid, we also have elemental shamans, bear druids, oomkins, pally tanks and a single ret pally.
I'd prefer a mixed group over a cookie-cutter group anyday, keeps things interesting.

[Sytadel]

Yeah, in the case of druids and priests, the "off-spec" is actually more popular. Among shaman, elemental are a bit underrepresented (but not totally useful) and 1 enhancement shaman is taken to most raids.

The other specs are pretty rare though.

[Queenie]

hahahahahahhaa O YES

just bought Crusader enchant (the formula) off the AH today for

3 gold!

YEAH!

happy days indeed.

[Vindik8or]

Boomkin/cat-form are the offspec for druids, not tanks (to get a good indication, try and find gear amongst raid loot tables for a certain spec - barring of course tiered gear).

It's frustrating for Protection Paladins, the dungeon set is purely Prot, which insinuates some kind of intent for the class, but then there's nothing purely Prot again (excluding Tier 4) until bam! suddenly there's more Prot Paladin gear popping up in SSC, The Eye, Hyjal and Black Temple.

[Silverwolf]

Yeah so I wrote up a post last night explaining everything that OSX and Syt have said but it didn't post. \o/
Also dunkurtin raiding is referring to raid instances at level 70, not pvp raids on towns >_>

[Theiffy]

Oh noes, I'm spec'd Shadow and raid, we also have elemental shamans, bear druids, oomkins, pally tanks and a single ret pally.
I'd prefer a mixed group over a cookie-cutter group anyday, keeps things interesting.

Shadow is completely different, it's very useful for raids, so it's not really considered so much of an off spec anymore. Not only can a shadow priest give mana to their party they can also heal them (me being a shadow priest who has raided before etc) but you'll still never find that many of them in a raid.

I'm all for off specs, but you never want too many of them in any given raid and people usually go for the "cookie cutter" raid builds because they don't want to spend the next 10 hours wiping. <_< It's easier and it's what people know and are comfortable with.

As much as i hate to admit it, pure pve specs are still definitely the way to go, despite some off-specs (like shadow priests and feral druids) that have been given more of a pve edge to them.

[Sytadel]

Well if you define "off-spec" in terms of popularity in raids then of course all off-specs are unpopular.

but you'll still never find that many of them in a raid.

We bring 2-3 shadow priests and 0-1 holy priests :P

[Theiffy]

That's because you bring more holy paladins and resto druids/shamans <_<

[Sytadel]

Typically:

3 Holy Paladins / 0 Offspecs
1 Resto Druid / 2 Ferals
2-3 Restoration Sham / 0-1 Enhance
0-1 Holy Priest / 2-3 Shadow

[Flaps]

I did Shattered Halls in about 40 -45 minutes as couple of nights ago with a pally tank, now considering pally tanks to be the awesome.

[Theiffy]

Yeah, theyre absolutely awesome for aoe agro.

The "offspecs" are better at tanking than warriors are!

[Vindik8or]

I've been saying for so long.

A Paladin with three fire mages and a decent healer can clear Shattered Halls in 30 minutes. In Black Morass, all the trash goes down in one massive pull - skinners promise you their firstborn. Shadow Labyrinth I pull half of the first room, done in 2-3 pulls.

Plus they hold their own in at least Kara (no experience beyond).

[Dunkurtin]

So i'm bored and have lately been thinking about checking out some addons. Unfortunately i have absolutely no idea what ones i should check out. I don't want anything that changes the appearance of WoW, just ones that keep track of stuff like damage/threat meters w/e. Things that could be useful but wont slow the game down too much. Any suggestions?

[Silverwolf]

They are only "offspecs" because everyone was so used to how it was PreBC. :P

[Araenel]

I've been saying for so long.

A Paladin with three fire mages and a decent healer can clear Shattered Halls in 30 minutes. In Black Morass, all the trash goes down in one massive pull - skinners promise you their firstborn. Shadow Labyrinth I pull half of the first room, done in 2-3 pulls.

Plus they hold their own in at least Kara (no experience beyond).

We've had a pally help off-tank Leotheras and Fathomlord before, so they do ok beyond :P

[Araenel]

So i'm bored and have lately been thinking about checking out some addons. Unfortunately i have absolutely no idea what ones i should check out. I don't want anything that changes the appearance of WoW, just ones that keep track of stuff like damage/threat meters w/e. Things that could be useful but wont slow the game down too much. Any suggestions?

Get quartz, possibly one of the best mods you can get.

[TSplodey]

Leo to 3%.

QQ

[StorminNorman]

Any suggestions?
Volition combines all the features you want into one handy add-on.

[Dunkurtin]

Get quartz, possibly one of the best mods you can get.
Had a look at this, looks cool so i downloaded and am about to try it out. Don't be surprised if this is followed by a "How do i make it work?" post as i haven't done this before. >_>

Volition combines all the features you want into one handy add-on.
I had a look for this but was unable to find it. Don't suppose you could supply a link?

EDIT: Okay had a quick look after getting quartz and I'll definitely be keeping it. Thanks for suggesting it Araenal.

Is it possible to get something that will show target hp in numerical form or at least % while keeping the default look? Just like how i can have the numbers over the top of the bar on my own portrait and group members?

[TrinityJayOne]

MobHealth3 should do that.

[Dunkurtin]

Thanks for that. I'm really glad i had somewhere to ask about these. I tried just browsing through on a couple sites but theres just so many different mods , I don't think i would have been able to find anything decent like that.

EDIT: StorminNorman did you possibly make a typo? Did you mean Violation not Volition? Because i did find this. (http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info7399-Violation.html)
Looks like it may be it.

[Vindik8or]

Volition combines all the features you want into one handy add-on.
Be wary of packaged addons, they are pretty much always clogged with crap you don't want or need. When you get a bit more used to things I would suggest getting the wowace updater and using that to choose and keep up-to-date the mods that you want (plus Ace2 mods are kind to your memory).

[Araenel]

I've been switching around between SWstats, Recount and Violation for damage meter mods, I don't really like the way resetting for SWStats relies on a raid vote (even if people always vote yes, it's still annoying and cumbersome). Recount is really good, but that comes at the price of memory usage, and you can't seem to pause it, leading to some massive memory use while in AV :P). I've liked Violation, but I noticed recently that reseting one module (like damage) wont reset the others (like healing). I always wondered why I'd report healing for a fight and people having done 1mil+ healing.

I think i'll just do away with damage meters for now altogether, they're not entirely necessary and I can't settle on one anyway.

[Stormyau]

Question for the high level hunters out there; (I'm looking at you, Syt).

Are there any decent bows or crossbows you get in outland early, or should I spent some tokens and honor and get the epic 60 pvp one?

[Flaps]

Get quartz, possibly one of the best mods you can get.
^ agreed, great mod for casters.

[TrinityJayOne]

For Teegs-

http://members.optusnet.com.au/trinityjayone/sethekkdruid.jpg

Note the timestamps! (2:24pm at time of posting this)

[TSplodey]

Im more intersted in what you felt was necessary to blot out.

[Theiffy]

For Teegs-

http://members.optusnet.com.au/trinityjayone/sethekkdruid.jpg

Note the timestamps! (2:24pm at time of posting this)

I never ever saw that, and no stinky druid should be taking my assassination shoulders unless i don't need them D:<

You druids think you can just take everything even when people need stuff, i hate you all!

The shoulders didn't drop but my point still stands. <_<

[Dunkurtin]

OK, so here's what i've currently got running:
Atlas
Atlasloot
Quartz
Violation
Fubar
ExperienceFu
LocationFu
DurabilityFu

Unfortunately MobHealth3 doesn't work. It says it's incompatible. So i still need to find something to display mob health.

[Sytadel]

Question for the high level hunters out there; (I'm looking at you, Syt).

Are there any decent bows or crossbows you get in outland early, or should I spent some tokens and honor and get the epic 60 pvp one?

Definetly save your honor. Legion Blunderbuss (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=24389) from Blood Furnace (Lv.61) is nearly as good as the HWL weapons, and the speed is good too. There's another good one in Slave Pens as well, and failing that, Splintermark from world PvP is ok too (bad speed though)

Above all else though, 15,000 honor is quite a lot. That bow will cost you an epic ring/bracer/boots/belt at Lv.70, or in other terms, about 10 hours of battleground grinding.

I never ever saw that, and no stinky druid should be taking my assassination shoulders unless i don't need them D:<

You druids think you can just take everything even when people need stuff, i hate you all!

Blame blizzard's itemisation team, they're the best non-epic tanking shoulders a druid can get :P

[Araenel]

Hay trin, wtf is the point of that screenshot?

[Silverwolf]

Thats what i was wondering >_>

[TrinityJayOne]

I got Teegs invited to a Sethekk run I joined, but the Druid who was tanking made it clear to me that he'd be rolling on "the shoulders", a message which I passed on to Teegs as seen in the screenshot. When the final boss came, Teegs said "omg he better not roll on my shoulders" or something like that, and I explained that not only was he going to, I had told her about this when I invited her and that she should have said something back then. "You did not!" etc so I took that screen and posted it here.

[StorminNorman]

I had a look for this but was unable to find it. Don't suppose you could supply a link?
I meant Violation, sorry.

Be wary of packaged addons, they are pretty much always clogged with crap you don't want or need. When you get a bit more used to things I would suggest getting the wowace updater and using that to choose and keep up-to-date the mods that you want (plus Ace2 mods are kind to your memory).

Violation is a single add-on that's a damage meter, but also a threat meter. It's available via WAU, which is basically the best thing ever.

I've liked Violation, but I noticed recently that reseting one module (like damage) wont reset the others (like healing). I always wondered why I'd report healing for a fight and people having done 1mil+ healing.

You can reset every module via the FuBar icon. I would guess that there's a command you could type for it, too.

[TSplodey]

Leo down!

I got first T5 gloves in guild!

Im so excited I wish I could wet myself. Byebye Primal Mooncloth!

[NiB]

Maybe its the amount of time I've played him, or maybe its just the really bad run I had on the 3rd boss of slabs but I've just realised how boring a prot warrior is.

I think I'm at the point were I really need to level up that 2nd character to make the game interesting again. I've got a fair few really low lv alts that I started but I'm gonna have to get serious about it now to keep enjoying the game.

[Clift]

I find my Warrior in general boring these days :razz: I enjoyed it so much pre-TBC, last night I did a Ramps run (trying to get in the mood to level him to make my 3rd 70) and hated every minute of it...

I'm not so sure I'll get around to leveling him anymore :(

[Sytadel]

Even playing my lowbie warrior (31), I can see that tanking is really just a priority system of putting certain threat-generating skills higher on the priority list than others. It doesn't require a whole lot of attention in a raid environment either...

[Stormyau]

I just saw a Paladin solo about 20 of those level 70 Blood Elf demon hunters near the 71 elite demon hunter in Shadowmoon Valley, without using a single heal due to some trinket that heals 120 each successful block.

I rolled a pally 10 minutes later.

[StorminNorman]

I'm really enjoying my protadin atm.

[Araenel]

I just saw a Paladin solo about 20 of those level 70 Blood Elf demon hunters near the 71 elite demon hunter in Shadowmoon Valley, without using a single heal due to some trinket that heals 120 each successful block.

I rolled a pally 10 minutes later.

Was it Touron? that ******ing farmer is always there, then spamming WTS Sunfury Signetx500 in guild chat :P

[Bob the Destroyer]

Thinking of going a slightly more PvP build

link (http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/paladin/talents.html?0550300252013053105150025100202300000 000000000000000000000000000)

I lost some points in Blessed Life since it's hardly needed and Pure of Heart because I'd have to be fighting alot of Warlocks to make up for it. Putting the points into Imp Hammer and Imp Concentration Aura, what do you guys think?

[TrinityJayOne]

So I finally got those sexy Robes of Oblivion......on my Drood! :doh:

http://members.optusnet.com.au/trinwow/Moomeowdeathcoil!.jpg



Meanwhile...

http://members.optusnet.com.au/trinwow/wtboblivion.jpg

:P

[Theiffy]

I need 12 more spirit shards for awesome ring, who wants to farm with me? ;D

[tau]

Surgery is now in session.

And by that I mean my lock is now 16 and is generally pretty fun. Let's see how long before I, if I, get bored this time!

[Theiffy]

I give you till level 21, or a little more. >_>'

[Vindik8or]

I just saw a Paladin solo about 20 of those level 70 Blood Elf demon hunters near the 71 elite demon hunter in Shadowmoon Valley, without using a single heal due to some trinket that heals 120 each successful block.

I rolled a pally 10 minutes later.
That's a fun one to do as well. Realistically you can't heal in combat, you use Figurine of the Collossus and Seal of Light.

[Second]

Surgery is now in session.

And by that I mean my lock is now 16 and is generally pretty fun. Let's see how long before I, if I, get bored this time!
Haha, Surgery. Pretty wacky running in to you whilst I was hunting copper ore, buffing/healing ya and I didn't even know it was you. :P

[Beinkasaurus Rex]

Kabaam - Undead Mage on Frostmourne.

After playing Alliance on Jubei'thos, I've pretty much /raged and vowed off of Alliance forever.

[Second]

Kabaam - Undead Mage on Frostmourne.

After playing Alliance on Jubei'thos, I've pretty much /raged and vowed off of Alliance forever.
Love your work. WE just need to get Dunny to stop playing his Ally Pally now. :P

[Beinkasaurus Rex]

How the hell does he do it? He must have... persistance, as I simply started raging the moment I had to go on my guilds vent channel and hear a 12 year old use the word 'ownage' again and again and A****INGGAIN****INGHELLDONTACTUALLYSAYITJUSTTYPEIT ITSOUNDS****INGLAMEYOUSTUPID****INGfffffffffffffff ffffffffffffffsjkld;gon

[Second]

Haha. Total ownage. You just got wrecked, son! Aw shit!

[Beinkasaurus Rex]

Speaking of Vent, how's the vent channel coming along Rudigar?

[Queenie]

I have never heard the word ownage, once, ever on my server.

Orcish mothaland FTW.

[Dunkurtin]

How the hell does he do it? He must have... persistance, as I simply started raging the moment I had to go on my guilds vent channel and hear a 12 year old use the word 'ownage' again and again and A****INGGAIN****INGHELLDONTACTUALLYSAYITJUSTTYPEIT ITSOUNDS****INGLAMEYOUSTUPID****INGfffffffffffffff ffffffffffffffsjkld;gon
Lvl 58 get, that's how. >_>
I got picked up by The Cool Crusade the other day while tanking BRD. Beinke did you know that RusselCoight was never actually the GM? His brother is, just everyone thought he was because of all the raids he organised. Also io was told that to advance in ranks yo have to either recruit so many people or be active and helpful. I made 3 ranks last night from just being amusing. It's my old guild all over again!

[Beinkasaurus Rex]

He seemed like it =/
He was a pretty cool guy anyway =P
And, nice. The Cool Crusade was a pretty good guild, if I recall correctly.

[Dunkurtin]

He seemed like it =/
He was a pretty cool guy anyway =P
And, nice. The Cool Crusade was a pretty good guild, if I recall correctly.
Yeah, they have plenty of lvl 70's and raid casually now. I've already been offered OT postion in their second kara team once i hit 70 and have decent gear.

[Theiffy]

I just did the best sethekk halls run ever, we had a lvl 66 prot warrior tank it with no stuff ups whatsoever, the 67 paladin was an excellent healer, warlock and hunter were 67 too, it was awesome.

I've done this instance with full 70's before and wiped, but a lvl 66 warrior can do it better xD !

[Vindik8or]

I just got my Wrynn Dynasty Greaves today for my pally. We pushed hard onto Prince and got our first Prince kill for the guild.

[Theiffy]

Wait, is this Kara prince?

[Stormyau]

Was it Touron? that ******ing farmer is always there, then spamming WTS Sunfury Signetx500 in guild chat :P
Nah, I'm only level 59 on my Hunter, this was on Ner'Zhul.

[Bob the Destroyer]

Hour and a half clear to Void Reaver, we had 3 shots at him and had to call it because of respawning trash :(

Also: Rep Calculator (http://www.wowreputationcalculator.com/)

[Mek]

Hour and a half clear to Void Reaver, we had 3 shots at him and had to call it because of respawning trash :(
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Yeah the VR trash is a biatch, VR is almost a consolation prize for clearing it.
One trick we used was always keep a soul stone up or make sure one of the rezzers could make it out of the room to safety, then summon guys back to VR's room once the got back in if they were too close to rez. It'll give you an extra 45 minutes or so after the first respawns.

[Queenie]

I had a shot at soloing some of the newbie instances, like DM and Stockades, and found out how fun it was to do the same thing as the guy in the SM prot pally pull video. Diff between me and him was i was a warrior.

[Dunkurtin]

Another difference is that he did SM, a level 40 instance, instead of a level 20 one. >_>
Though i assume you're not level 70 yet anyway.

[Silverwolf]

Wait, is this Kara prince?
Obviously =P

[Araenel]

Everyone report Sytadel for hacking ok

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v106/Araenel/hax1.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v106/Araenel/hax2.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v106/Araenel/hax3.jpg

[Second]

What the hell?

[Vindik8or]

Wait, is this Kara prince?
Yeah. To put it in perspective, we had a former BT raiding Rogue helping us out. Most nights there aren't enough people online to do a 5 man, let alone raid.

I hate my guild.

[Dunkurtin]

Well my guild is only up to Curator. I don't know if thatt further than Prince or not and i cbf checking but i assume some of you will have plenty of material for bagging out my guild now.

[Theiffy]

Vin, you know leaving your guild is definitely the only option if you wanna raid o_O

[Bob the Destroyer]

Mag = cockblock.

And do you guys think I should hold off on the Arena shoulders untill season 3? It should be too far away now and I'd hate to get the S2 ones a week before...

[Vindik8or]

Vin, you know leaving your guild is definitely the only option if you wanna raid o_O
It's a US server I can only raid weekends so it strikes me as a little pointless at this stage. A friend is trying to start a late night raiding guild on that server, so I'll give it a go if it starts up.

I'm also waiting for Frostmourne to open up on transfers. I will be there in an instant.

EDIT: WTF is with everyone jumping ship from <WTS Fine Leather Jackets>?

Bob: Blizz said that they're not likely to do the big upgrade of every piece of arena gear for future seasons, but rather add in items for the other slots. Season 3 should still be a way off at any rate.

[Queenie]

Another difference is that he did SM, a level 40 instance, instead of a level 20 one. >_>
Though i assume you're not level 70 yet anyway.

yes those are both true. But i also later soloe'd gnomeregan, a lvl 30 instance, so the gap that time was more similar.

[Queenie]

at any rate, it'd be a good idea to pocket those arena points now, so when you see something you want you can buy it.

[Theiffy]

EDIT: WTF is with everyone jumping ship from <WTS Fine Leather Jackets>?


Ahahaha my lvl 66 warrior is guild master of that xD

Cause they are reforming to something else! I heard rumours!

[Queenie]

I think we know why now XD

[NiB]

Our guilds getting ready for another attempt at curator...he completely owned our asses last time so I'm not very confident.

[Vindik8or]

Curator is heals and DPS intensive. Bring your best healers and DPS, make sure you can kill the Flares quick and keep the folks killing the flares alive and the rest will sort itself out.

[Sytadel]

And do you guys think I should hold off on the Arena shoulders untill season 3? It should be too far away now and I'd hate to get the S2 ones a week before...

Won't be until approximately patch 2.3 which is at least 2, probably 3 months away.

[Queenie]

as I look closer at the pages on places like WoWWiki and the like, I'm starting to realise that as I'm almost at the raid level (I"m lvl 56 currently) I'm going to probably end up have to fiind a decent raiding guild or whatever if I want a chance at getting some epic lewt and stuff. Thing is, I'm not sure how often they have Arms or Fury spec warriors tagging along on raids. Should I respec to proc now, and get accustomed to the way he works, or go on as my Arms for a bit more?

and btw, what's a good proc. build?

[Mouldy]

Ahahaha my lvl 66 warrior is guild master of that xD

Cause they are reforming to something else! I heard rumours!

We originally were reforming "The Mouldy Nachos", but due to that name being taken by the old guild, and after hours of deliberation, Lead and I decided on:

Däs Möüldy Nächöβ

The most successful Nazi-loving guild on Frostmourne. I predict big things in the future. : )

[Sytadel]

as I look closer at the pages on places like WoWWiki and the like, I'm starting to realise that as I'm almost at the raid level (I"m lvl 56 currently) I'm going to probably end up have to fiind a decent raiding guild or whatever if I want a chance at getting some epic lewt and stuff. Thing is, I'm not sure how often they have Arms or Fury spec warriors tagging along on raids. Should I respec to proc now, and get accustomed to the way he works, or go on as my Arms for a bit more?

and btw, what's a good proc. build?

When you hit 70, regardless of whether you join a guild and raid, prot (not proc >_>) will be far and away the easiest way to get groups. Moreso than any other class warriors need to get a decent tanking step before even stepping foot in a 10-man instance.

In raiding, arms isn't really viable but fury warriors serve as a good DPS/tanking hybrid and some guilds bring 1 or 2. It depends on the guild and even server though - my guild and server find tanks scarce so if we have warriors, we don't really have "spares" to spec fury.

[Second]

We originally were reforming "The Mouldy Nachos", but due to that name being taken by the old guild, and after hours of deliberation, Lead and I decided on:

Däs Möüldy Nächöβ

The most successful Nazi-loving guild on Frostmourne. I predict big things in the future. : )
http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e388/Rudaroo/dd0a862e.jpg

Making use of /yell, I'm sure we will be.

[Mouldy]

or should that be [sic] hiel, hahaha!

[Flaps]

as I look closer at the pages on places like WoWWiki and the like, I'm starting to realise that as I'm almost at the raid level (I"m lvl 56 currently) I'm going to probably end up have to fiind a decent raiding guild or whatever if I want a chance at getting some epic lewt and stuff. Thing is, I'm not sure how often they have Arms or Fury spec warriors tagging along on raids. Should I respec to proc now, and get accustomed to the way he works, or go on as my Arms for a bit more?

and btw, what's a good proc. build?

It does not take that long to get used to a spec.

Edit: I got a message from a friend of a friend to come and do some premade AB last night. Turns out they were all in Insurrection. <_<

[Theiffy]

ROFL @ Ruda and Mouldy's guild, thats awesome!

So for the last week or so i been grinding my cute little rogue arse off and managed to rack up 3k gold, only 2k to go for epic flyer, huzzah! :P

[Queenie]

When you hit 70, regardless of whether you join a guild and raid, prot (not proc >_>) will be far and away the easiest way to get groups. Moreso than any other class warriors need to get a decent tanking step before even stepping foot in a 10-man instance.

In raiding, arms isn't really viable but fury warriors serve as a good DPS/tanking hybrid and some guilds bring 1 or 2. It depends on the guild and even server though - my guild and server find tanks scarce so if we have warriors, we don't really have "spares" to spec fury.

I seee.

One thing i'm taking into account is the Blood Fury talent, which increases all damage taken to a target with rend or deep wounds on it by 4%. Could be mighty useful in raids against targets like Prince, or Nightbane, or if I ever get to them, Illidan and Kael, who have health in the millions.

[TSplodey]

Mag = cockblock.

Poor Bobby. :D

I have a good feeling that we will be doing our first Vashj attempts either this week or next week. Solarian is going down tomorrow if things go as planned, so we will have killed every boss cept Kael and Vashj at one time or another.

[Sytadel]

You're right actually (sort of), but the funny thing is it's typically picked up as part of a hybrid arms/fury 2H build rather than a pure deep "arms" build as such. The build rests on two talents - Blood Fury but more importantly Improved Slam in the fury tree (so 33/28). Fitting in an 0.5s slam in-between each auto-attack plus a global-cooldown instant like whirlwind or mortal strike is the basic pretense of this "2H fury" build.

So yeah it is viable, but not in the mortal-strike spamming sense that may come to mind. It's all about improved slam.

[NiB]

If theres one thing I love about WoW, its how an average night can turn good in the space of about 5 minutes. I'm just minding my own business last night when I get a pst for all those quests in blades edge where you kill the sons of gruul (which coincidently I hadn't done)

Next thing I know we got a good grp and we're breezing through em.

30 mins later I'm up 100g and can now start grinding Og'rila rep.

[cube_punk]

I didn't think I'd be saying this but....



I need someone to activate me on that free 10 day re-activation thing.

[Sytadel]

I didn't think I'd be saying this but....



I need someone to activate me on that free 10 day re-activation thing.

I just tried man - it said "Sorry, that character isn't eligible to be resurrected (possibly they haven't been inactive for 90 days or more)."

I'm guessing you haven't been off WoW long enough :(

I'm sad for you and me, I totally wanted a free month.

[Second]

I didn't think I'd be saying this but....



I need someone to activate me on that free 10 day re-activation thing.
17/09 [11:43:03] <@cube_punk> This account is ineligible for Scroll of Resurrection. This is generally due to one or more of the following conditions:
17/09 [11:43:04] <@cube_punk> * This account has not been inactive for more than 90 days
17/09 [11:45:31] <@cube_punk> lol
17/09 [11:45:39] <@cube_punk> i coulted the days and its been inactive for 88 days
17/09 [11:45:44] <@cube_punk> what a crock!

BL Cubes. BL.

[Vindik8or]

My guild took down Illhoof as a first and I went on with a few pre-BC members to tank Onyxia (three-manned the entire attunement some weeks back). When you only bring 9 people to a 40-player raid you get 20g each for killing her.

Having a Paladin tank Illhoof's imps is practically cheating.

[Queenie]

I've heard some crazy stuff about 5 lvl 70's taking down Naxxramas. Just hearsay.

I think they were from Nihilum.

[Silverwolf]

I've heard some crazy stuff about 5 lvl 70's taking down Naxxramas. Just hearsay.

I think they were from Nihilum.

5 levels 60s beat a boss in naxx before BC was released =P

[TrinityJayOne]

Yeah, a Warrior, Paladin and 3 Shadow Priests I believe. This was back before- A. Vamp Embrace was nerfed and B. the effect was a curse and hence not affected by a dispelling mechanic of the fight.