World of Warcraft [Archive] - Page 3

Sytadel

18-09-2007, 03:05 PM

OK.

Anyone who has an alt on JT, I'll give your Frostmourne alts runs of any instance within reason for 15g on JT.

x: 1 hour instance clear = 15g + satisfaction of helping stormy (SoHS)
y: 15 min daily quest = 12g + satisfaction of not helping stormy (SoNHS)

We can do 4 dailys in one run, hence:

x/4 = y
4y = x

Assumption: Not helping stormy is as valuable as the inverse of helping stormy. If you enjoy helping stormy then conversely you should not enjoy not helping stormy just as much. Hence:

SoNHS = -SoHS

Substitute

4(12g) - SoHS = 15g + SoHS

Expand

48g - SoHS = 15g + SoHS

Balance the sides; + SoHS, -15g

33g = 2*SoHS
16.5g = SoHS

Ergo, in order to take up Stormy's offer, you must derive 16g 50s of satisfaction from helping him for this deal to be profitable.

Stormyau

18-09-2007, 03:21 PM

x: 1 hour instance clear = 15g + satisfaction of helping stormy (SoHS)
y: 15 min daily quest = 12g + satisfaction of not helping stormy (SoNHS)

We can do 4 dailys in one run, hence:

x/4 = y
4y = x

Assumption: Not helping stormy is as valuable as the inverse of helping stormy. If you enjoy helping stormy then conversely you should not enjoy not helping stormy just as much. Hence:

SoNHS = -SoHS

Substitute

4(12g) - SoHS = 15g + SoHS

Expand

48g - SoHS = 15g + SoHS

Balance the sides; + SoHS, -15g

33g = 2*SoHS
16.5g = SoHS

Ergo, in order to take up Stormy's offer, you must derive 16g 50s of satisfaction from helping him for this deal to be profitable.
Nice one dumb ****, I was offering runs on FM for gold on JT, not the other way around. :P

Sytadel

18-09-2007, 04:00 PM

New SoHS = Old SoHS - 10g

Stormyau

18-09-2007, 04:25 PM

You're a ****.

NiB

18-09-2007, 04:46 PM

Also: Rep Calculator (http://www.wowreputationcalculator.com/)

That rep calculator if friggin awesome Bob. Its gonna save me so much time...and on the flip side, make me realise how extremely long and hard the road to exalted is :(

Queenie

18-09-2007, 05:07 PM

Damm straight. Somehow, though, I am halfway to exalted with all major cities in alliance, and revered in Streamwheedle cartel.

Stormyau

18-09-2007, 05:44 PM

Damm straight. Somehow, though, I am halfway to exalted with all major cities in alliance, and revered in Streamwheedle cartel.
What you need revered with Steamwheedle Cartel for?

Dunkurtin

18-09-2007, 06:05 PM

Hit 60 with my Paladin last night. Due to my tyring to keep Blacksmithing up to date before i quit i have nowhere near enough money for the mount quest. I can't even afford one lot of 150g after buying my level 60 skills. Not to mention that the Arcanite bars i need are also going to cost me an arm and a leg. And how the hell am i going to be able to find a group willing to go into Stratholme? Suddenly pally's having their own awesome mounts isn't so cool. =(
Hopefully i can convince one of the guild 70's to help out a bit. >_>

Sytadel

19-09-2007, 02:34 AM

http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o246/Sytadel/wtfhaxg.jpg

tau

19-09-2007, 04:40 AM

NiB

19-09-2007, 09:34 AM

Guild downed curator last night, and it sounded like they did it easy. Looks like I won't be seeing to much action as the main group is pretty much set now.

The MT is a prot pally (and guild co-leader) so I don't see me taking his spot and there is a better geared tank (who is only fairly new to the guild) who would usually OT if required.

Guess I'll need to start a 2nd team to see any nice purple lootz.

TSplodey

19-09-2007, 12:20 PM

If the OT is geared, ask if you can Sub in for bosses he doesnt need.

Vindik8or

19-09-2007, 01:31 PM

Hunter was ******ing up something shocking, so to fix the problem the main healer rage quit the raid. Now I hate everyone for messing with my raid.

tau

19-09-2007, 02:11 PM

Ahaha, it always seems like hunters are the ones that screw up the worst.

Theiffy

19-09-2007, 02:16 PM

"BUT IF I USE MY MOUSE TO TURN AROUND HOW DO I CLICK ON REND???"

Or warriors >_>

I love that quote ;D

Sytadel

19-09-2007, 03:25 PM

Me too teegs. Me too. :D

Queenie

19-09-2007, 05:01 PM

What you need revered with Steamwheedle Cartel for?

Nothing. i'm just a completionist.

TrinityJayOne

19-09-2007, 07:44 PM

http://members.optusnet.com.au/trinityjayone/gonefishin.jpg

Theiffy

19-09-2007, 07:47 PM

With a name like that, that very well could be my 15 yr old wannabe latino cousin :P

Silverwolf

19-09-2007, 07:48 PM

OH YOU GOT BURNED TRIN!!1!
lols

Araenel

19-09-2007, 07:56 PM

I think the more important issue here is where is Theiffy's present.

Theiffy

19-09-2007, 07:58 PM

Yes Trin Where Is My Present? D:<

Vindik8or

19-09-2007, 08:18 PM

Nothing. i'm just a completionist.
Then get exalted with the Bloodsail Buccaneers too.

kekekeke

Queenie

19-09-2007, 10:16 PM

You know how many times I would have to hand stuffs to that BB Traitor girl in STV?
like 6 million. I'm guessing more.

Vindik8or

19-09-2007, 11:02 PM

Completionist or faux-completionist?

Clift

20-09-2007, 12:36 AM

You know how many times I would have to hand stuffs to that BB Traitor girl in STV?
like 6 million. I'm guessing more.

Or you could do what I foolishly did on my Warrior long ago and slaughter the guards in BB...

Of course you do become KoS with the goblins everywhere... But who cares!? You get a pirate hat and a summonable parot outta it! :D

Second

20-09-2007, 01:12 AM

Well, what an interesting evening. I was in The Barrens as my level 17 druid, Ruda (http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Frostmourne&n=Ruda), doing some random quest, when someone finds that Gesharahan (http://thottbot.com/c3398) has spawned. He post in general about wanting some help to take it down. Being the kind person I am, I offer to assist. As does a level 58 Druid. After the death of the Hydra-beast, he offers to take us through WC.

I managed to pick up [Armor of the Fang] (http://thottbot.com/i6473) and [Footpads of the Fang] (http://thottbot.com/i10411) as well as do Deviate Eradication (http://thottbot.com/q1487), Deviate Hides (http://thottbot.com/q1486) and In Nightmares (http://thottbot.com/q3369). Quite an easy run and I even managed to Ding! A good night. :)

TrinityJayOne

20-09-2007, 01:29 AM

I never knew there was a rare hydra there! :O

Also, use www.wowhead.com for all your WoW database needs. It's so much better than thott/allakawhatsit in every imaginable way.

Second

20-09-2007, 01:39 AM

I never knew there was a rare hydra there! :OHe seems pretty rare. With the number of characters I've had come through the Barrens (Easily 20+), I've seen it mentioned 3 times and helped kill it twice.
Also, use www.wowhead.com for all your WoW database needs. It's so much better than thott/allakawhatsit in every imaginable way.Will do chief. I've just been stickin' to what I know though, mostly. <_<

Dunkurtin

20-09-2007, 02:57 AM

I never knew there was a rare hydra there! :O

Also, use www.wowhead.com for all your WoW database needs. It's so much better than thott/allakawhatsit in every imaginable way.
Actually, Wowhead is missing a heap of items that Thottbot has and also had a heap of locations for Alchemy recipes wrong when i was looking for them on my shaman. Sure its a nicer setup and all, but thottbot seems to actually be more reliable.

Silverwolf

20-09-2007, 03:19 AM

Actually, Wowhead is missing a heap of items that Thottbot has and also had a heap of locations for Alchemy recipes wrong when i was looking for them on my shaman. Sure its a nicer setup and all, but thottbot seems to actually be more reliable.
A little while ago wowhead had a database somethingorother and you could only see a few of the items up there, that was probably it.
Trin is right that it is much much better than the others.

StorminNorman

20-09-2007, 11:11 AM

Sure its a nicer setup and all, but thottbot seems to actually be more reliable.
Sure, if you don't value your account details.

TSplodey

20-09-2007, 12:51 PM

He seems pretty rare. With the number of characters I've had come through the Barrens (Easily 20+), I've seen it mentioned 3 times and helped kill it twice.
Will do chief. I've just been stickin' to what I know though, mostly. <_<

Ive killed him 5 or 6 times. Most of those were while I was fishing for Deviate Fish.

Stormyau

20-09-2007, 02:31 PM

Sure, if you don't value your account details.
Biggest crock of shit ever.

I've been using thottbot for 2 years and I've had no troubles.

Clift

20-09-2007, 03:15 PM

Biggest crock of shit ever.

I've been using thottbot for 2 years and I've had no troubles.

Aye! 'Tis true

As a matter o' fact, I'm going to use it right now :P

Vindik8or

20-09-2007, 05:42 PM

I believe it was actually the data collection thottbot add on for WoW that was keylogging, not the website itself.

Allakhazam has a much better advanced item search engine than wowhead, but overall wowhead is better than them all.

TSplodey

20-09-2007, 06:29 PM

Biggest crock of shit ever.

I've been using thottbot for 2 years and I've had no troubles.

Thats because I always log you off where I found you.

Stormyau

20-09-2007, 06:52 PM

Thats because I always log you off where I found you.
I read that 3 or 4 times and still have NFI what you mean. :P

Second

20-09-2007, 07:05 PM

Ive killed him 5 or 6 times. Most of those were while I was fishing for Deviate Fish.
I'm not a deviate fisherman. I only hang around the area when doing the quest or doing the instance. :P

Second

20-09-2007, 07:06 PM

Ive killed him 5 or 6 times. Most of those were while I was fishing for Deviate Fish.
I'm not a deviate fisherman. I only hang around the area when doing the quest or doing the instance. :P

I read that 3 or 4 times and still have NFI what you mean. :P
I.E. You use Thott, thus he has found your account details and has been using your character in his spare time.

StorminNorman

20-09-2007, 08:04 PM

Biggest crock of shit ever.

I've been using thottbot for 2 years and I've had no troubles.
To be honest, it's more the fact that Thott and Allakhazam are owned by IGE, rather than the ads on the sites that secretly install keyloggers on your computer.

If you use Adblock, it's just a matter of whether or not you're willing to accept a service provided by a company dedicated to selling WoW gold.

Stormyau

20-09-2007, 08:58 PM

To be honest, it's more the fact that Thott and Allakhazam are owned by IGE, rather than the ads on the sites that secretly install keyloggers on your computer.

If you use Adblock, it's just a matter of whether or not you're willing to accept a service provided by a company dedicated to selling WoW gold.
I thought thottbot was started by a gamer (named Thott)?

Dunkurtin

20-09-2007, 09:55 PM

Thaurissian is the worst server ever. Just because they know nothing about paladin tanks.

Also im pissed off because i got kicked from a Ramps group for a 70 warrior after a wipe that was not my ****ing fault. How the **** am i meant to keep all agro when 2 lock (62 and 64) are both nuking seperate targets, neither of which is the one i was targetting. I could only taunt one back at a time and then the lvl 58 shaman, who i was told would be the one replaced if the otheres decided we would need the 70, somehow pulled some adds that were nowhere near us. The lvl 64 lock who has no concept of limiting her threat production then give me this big sop message explaining how they cant afford these wipes and its not going to work. Was all i could do to stop myself from going off at the bitch. So now im in a bad mood and the shaman from my guild is getting my instance run.

Oh to top it off, someon in the guild kept inviting a retard back and for some reason someone took it in their mind that it was me so i was kicked from guild as i logged out.

**** WoW

Stormyau

20-09-2007, 10:14 PM

**** WoW
It's not WoW, it's the ****wits playing it.

Beinkasaurus Rex

20-09-2007, 10:51 PM

StorminNorman

21-09-2007, 12:04 AM

I thought thottbot was started by a gamer (named Thott)?
It was. He sold it.

Bob the Destroyer

21-09-2007, 12:18 AM

VR down. Dropped that sweet arse healing trinket (didn't get it :( ) and Mage/Warlock/Hunter x 2 shoulders.

TSplodey

21-09-2007, 01:58 AM

You mean that sweet arse mp5 trinket? ;)

Dunkurtin

21-09-2007, 05:12 AM

I suggest you move server, asap. What happened to the old guildies, anyway? Did EVERYONE just go different ways?
Nah a few of them came back together and are in a new guild. But the majority are gone, there was way to many to remember/find them all. Doesnt matter as soon as i went back on i got an invite and massive apologies. Turns out someone was trying to kick the retard again and missed.

NiB

21-09-2007, 03:48 PM

Question.

How exactly does the whole reset of Kara work ? If a 10 starts it and then stops at a certain point, the next time the leader of the raid starts a new grp the instance will automatically pick up where it left off (assuming the leader is the same for both groups)

Would it then be possible to have 2 ppl from the same raid simultaneously have Kara instances open and swith back and forth in the group making farming bosses easier ?

If at all that makes any sense :P

tau

21-09-2007, 04:37 PM

if you enter kara and kill any boss, you are saved to that instance until tuesday maintenance.

If you enter someone else's saved instance, you are saved to that instance.

If you're in a group with someone saved to kara a and you in kara b, you'll still go to your saved instances.

Clift

21-09-2007, 05:52 PM

I grow weary of Ner'Zhul... Again :razz:

So, people of Frostmourne, I need a class that is un-common / highly wanted! :D

Kgo

Second

21-09-2007, 06:29 PM

I grow weary of Ner'Zhul... Again :razz:

So, people of Frostmourne, I need a class that is un-common / highly wanted! :D

Kgo
Rogue? Lawl. >_>

Clift

21-09-2007, 06:40 PM

You lie!

Bob the Destroyer

21-09-2007, 06:58 PM

Healing Shamans ftw.

and yes TS it was the MP5 trinket, a shitty HoT for me would have been awesome but a shammy got it.

Now in other news, the PTRs are offline meaning 2.2 shouldn't be too far away

Clift

21-09-2007, 07:01 PM

A Shaman might actually work for me... Seeing as I haven't leveled one yet :razz:

Anything else? (I like choice!)

Second

21-09-2007, 09:19 PM

Choice? Make your own damn choices! There's always going to be a demand for SOMETHING (except rogues). :P

Clift

21-09-2007, 10:35 PM

Well lah-di-dah! :razz:

-EDIT-

Well I decided to go with a Mage over a Shaman... 'Cause I felt like it :razz:

Narcissism, The Blood Elf... LF Guild :D

Sytadel

22-09-2007, 03:35 AM

Damn good name siah. Reserve for yourself lah?

Ugh sorry too much raiding with Singaporeans...

Silverwolf

22-09-2007, 03:48 AM

Damn good name siah. Reserve for yourself lah?

Ugh sorry too much raiding with Singaporeans...
Tbh its a relief when you talk on vent in raids syt =P

Kara tonight has melted my brain, along with tanks being arses causing me to die needlessly.

Theiffy

22-09-2007, 04:14 AM

My rogue got to see Kara for the first time and picked up tier4 gloves and girdle of treachery!!

Also i have less than a 1000g to go till i can get my epic flying mount! :D

Vindik8or

22-09-2007, 10:22 AM

Do you know how long it took me to get those two items?

Clift

22-09-2007, 10:57 AM

Damn good name siah. Reserve for yourself lah?

Ugh sorry too much raiding with Singaporeans...

I raided with Indonesians for over a year! You've got no excuse :razz:

Flaps

22-09-2007, 11:47 AM

Lollin at a pub Gruul last night, had tears over the mage tank for an hour.

Queenie

22-09-2007, 10:31 PM

Started a Druid today, and It's really fun to have a reasonably high main who can send supplies and twink items and stuff to your alt. Too bad you can't have 2 chars on at the same time, so you can run yourself through instances or something. In context, you COULD have someone else's account details (like some of you on here did/do) and do it that way... but meh.

MartyMcFly

23-09-2007, 02:26 AM

http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p239/aphexdash/boomkincopy.jpg
Yeah he's Level 51 now, and doing his happy dance!

Sytadel

23-09-2007, 03:23 AM

http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o246/Sytadel/nmu.jpg

Tau and I regained our rightful 1900+ rating tonight after a terrible night last night that left us just above 1800. +630 points inc!

Silverwolf

23-09-2007, 04:30 AM

Do you know how long it took me to get those two items?
I dont know about you, but in 3 weeks of kara i got more than 10 rogue items. I'm so lucky =P

Lollin at a pub Gruul last night, had tears over the mage tank for an hour.
Tonight i joined a spur of the moment semi-guild Gruul group, and i managed to get t4 leggings and a new belt, with almost no effort.

As i said, i'm very lucky.

TrinityJayOne

23-09-2007, 03:14 PM

As i said, i'm a loot sponge.
Fix'd :P

Still no epic flapflap yet, my gold grind has kinda been on hold of late. Curse you RL, cuuuuurse youuuuuuuuu! *shakes fist*

Silverwolf

23-09-2007, 05:59 PM

Fix'd :P

At least im a sponge which contributes reasonable dps.
At least i have epixxxxx
=)

Theiffy

23-09-2007, 07:07 PM

So today i gots an epic flying mount! xD

I got the [Swift Red Windrider] since red rocks and since my belf rogue has red hair to match. <_<

Now to get gold to pay my bills and hopefully get phero priest a purple one in future. ;D

Dukotoja

23-09-2007, 08:39 PM

Queenie

23-09-2007, 08:42 PM

I believe it is sometime 2009. So a while to go yet.

Or perhaps that was a typo, and it's really next year. ANyway, it's still at least another arena season or two off.

more importantly, what's the mod that people use to show who's topping the damage meters and whatnot? Like it shows how much dmg each person has scored and stuff. Linkies pls!

Theiffy

23-09-2007, 08:48 PM

It's not useless, you can use epic flying mounts in northrend (i think) and getting purples makes being in northrend easier!

!!!

Silverwolf

23-09-2007, 08:56 PM

dosent it bother you guys that once the expansion comes out all the hard work your putting in now will all be worthless and effectively everyone goes back to zero?

do they have a date announced for the litch king yet?
Pretty moronic thing to say, considering this kind of thing has happened before with the release of BC. What were people doing then? PvPing like crazy.

Its not all about the gear (although it does make some things more fun), much of the reason i tried to get into a high end guild was to experience all the Warcraft lore.

Queenie

23-09-2007, 09:09 PM

yes. Start grinding your arena and honor points now!

Theiffy

23-09-2007, 09:52 PM

Holy crap i love epic flying mount for bombing and egg bombing daily quests it's awesome, i don't get dismounted once ;D

Araenel

23-09-2007, 11:29 PM

dosent it bother you guys that once the expansion comes out all the hard work your putting in now will all be worthless and effectively everyone goes back to zero?

do they have a date announced for the litch king yet?

The problem is, you can relate that argument to every single other game out there.

Why beat the final boss? The game is just going to be finished and you'll have nothing to do.

Games have always been about the experience, I don't know why MMOs are meant to be different somehow.

Next expansion should be next year, maybe around end of March.

Sytadel

24-09-2007, 01:49 AM

The problem is, you can relate that argument to every single other game out there.

Or even to life itself /emohairtoss.

Also, I got to fill in this week in a 1950 5v5. Just this week, but 950 points inc!

Araenel

24-09-2007, 02:38 AM

Or even to life itself /emohairtoss.

Also, I got to fill in this week in a 1950 5v5. Just this week, but 950 points inc!

Were they 2100 when you started? >_>

Sytadel

24-09-2007, 03:05 AM

Were they 2100 when you started? >_>

2012!~ (3-7) but they blamed their losses on themselves. To be honest, it was pretty much a zerg team and all I had to do was pop cooldowns early: NS, swiftmend. People's death was more a cause of the priest, who couldn't use vent, not dispelling.

It's kind of remarkable that a good, but not brilliant, team can get that high. I mean, given tau and I would have to have a 2600 2v2 rating to get that many points a week...

Araenel

24-09-2007, 04:29 AM

For Sytadel mainly (everyone else wouldn't really know the people involved :P)

http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/5152/obqqgo0.jpg

edit: ftr i was the one who took the chest, not tau :P

Second

24-09-2007, 09:31 AM

Däs Möüldy Nächöβ Guild Members, rejoice.

http://www.wowinsider.com/2007/09/23/an-early-look-at-brewfest/

StorminNorman

24-09-2007, 12:00 PM

do they have a date announced for the litch king yet?

Word on the street is that Blizzard want it out around a year after TBC, so probably Jan-Feb next year. Apparently they have a much more streamlined process for preparing them now, so it won't be the 18 months or so from announcement to release that TBC took.

I would expect that we're going to get two major content patches in fairly quick succession (2.2 and 2.3) between now and then.

All that said, Blizzard doesn't give release dates until they're close enough that they think they can make them.

Sytadel

24-09-2007, 10:43 PM

Word on the street is that Blizzard want it out around a year after TBC, so probably Jan-Feb next year. Apparently they have a much more streamlined process for preparing them now, so it won't be the 18 months or so from announcement to release that TBC took.

I would expect that we're going to get two major content patches in fairly quick succession (2.2 and 2.3) between now and then.

Nay, it'll be more than that; They're going to need at least one patch each for Zul'Aman (2.3) and Sunwell (2.4). Generally major content patches are each about three months apart, and have a three month life cycle, so I'd estimate we have about 9 months or so left - hence my estimate is mid next-year. It is possible they'll be closer together but sunwell is planned to have a full fledged raid isntance and a new five-man, so it'll be small by no means.

Originally their plan was to have yearly expansion releases, but my understanding is that they have since abandoned this ideal.

StorminNorman

25-09-2007, 12:58 AM

They must have abandoned it since Blizzcon, then.

Also, I was of the belief that Sunwell and ZA were probably going to land in the same patch.

Ashmaran

25-09-2007, 01:25 AM

You know they will launch early in the year to mess with Warhammer Online.

Araenel

25-09-2007, 02:27 AM

Some crazy web-show linked to me by tau, based a generic MMO idea, but easily applied to WoW :P

grCTXGW3sxQ

Qb7GNu3NN-E

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Bob the Destroyer

25-09-2007, 10:58 AM

2.2 tonight baby! Heres to Voice Chat, Anti-AFKing and longer pally buffs!

Queenie

25-09-2007, 12:41 PM

tonight really? cool.

Off to japan finally: woo.

bonuses: I'll have a ton of rested xp when i get back, and even better, I'll be able to visit outlands as I have recently hit 58.

also, couple of new 70's joined our guild, from Jubei' thos --> nagrand. did a server switch. Anyone know who Dreddly is?

Flaps

25-09-2007, 02:36 PM

Voice chat?

Also rofl at the guild, one of the best webshows I've seen lately.

Sytadel

25-09-2007, 03:12 PM

2.2 tonight baby! Heres to Voice Chat, Anti-AFKing and longer pally buffs!

I'm just glad my fugly PvP legs will finally be a kilt!

Also, I got the Tier 5 helm of Vashj last night. It finally completes my druid's look for some time, and it also means that I'm just accruing DKP until the Solarian staff drops >_>

TSplodey

25-09-2007, 03:40 PM

Howz abowt dat kazzak staff syt.
2.2 tonight baby! Heres to Voice Chat for the select few realms that get it on launch, Anti-AFKing and longer pally buffs!
Fixt

Sytadel

25-09-2007, 04:05 PM

Howz abowt dat kazzak staff syt.

Howz abowt dat free day ban splodey >_>

Silverwolf

25-09-2007, 04:09 PM

Also, I got the Tier 5 helm of Vashj last night. It finally completes my druid's look for some time, and it also means that I'm just accruing DKP until the Solarian staff drops >_>
Yeah gg on the helm =D and gg on us actually downing vashj.

The most important thing 2.2 brings however, is that my weapon gets upgraded \o/

ahahahah Owned TSplodey >_>

StorminNorman

25-09-2007, 07:51 PM

2.2 tonight baby!
2.2.1, actually. 2.2 was the pre-voice chat patch that never made live servers.

2.2.2 is up on PTR now, and it adds a new holiday event called 'Brewfest'.

Which can only mean one thing...

PANDAREN IN WOW.

Also apparently adding a new Hallow's End event involving headless horsemen.

TSplodey

25-09-2007, 08:23 PM

Howz abowt dat free day ban splodey >_>

Huh? What ban?

tau

25-09-2007, 08:33 PM

Gulchtrotters' 3 day ban for wallhacking to Vashj?

Flaps

25-09-2007, 08:35 PM

o snap

TSplodey

25-09-2007, 09:50 PM

Walljumping* lol.

I didnt log on yesterday, so its news to me. GM said if we get banned hell give us 100 bucks, better get his details eh. ;)

Beinkasaurus Rex

25-09-2007, 09:57 PM

Quick, give me ALL the drama.

Second

25-09-2007, 10:03 PM

Yes, we want to know it all! It sounds exciting! :o

TSplodey

25-09-2007, 10:04 PM

I think I dodged the ban, from what I can gather, only people who were in SSC when they were dobbed in got banned.

Hotaru_oz

26-09-2007, 01:28 AM

I'll finally begetting Burning Crusade on monday, I can't wait!
I also have to get myself a new time card also, my 60 days are almost up.

tau

26-09-2007, 01:42 AM

Wait, you're already 58? :P

Or are you looking at making a draenei or blood elf?

Sytadel

26-09-2007, 01:47 AM

GulchTrotters drama in a nutshell:

http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee319/TheDeathhammer/GTExploits.jpg

GM seems like a cool guy.

Dunkurtin

26-09-2007, 01:53 AM

What is involved in this "Walljumping"?
Because if its just one of those glitches where you can get feared through a whole heap of walls or w/e i dont really see how it can be a bannable offense. Can someone please explain what exactly happened for the rest of us.

tau

26-09-2007, 01:58 AM

Due to the stupid ****s over at blizzard's programming development place area thing, they decided to not fix a problem that's been in the game forever. For some stupid reason you can, by doing a strange kind of repetative jumping, climb slightly sloped and even totally vertical walls. Vashj is guarded by such a thing, that opens as all the bosses are dead.

It's generally how people get to places they're not supposed to be.

Dunkurtin

26-09-2007, 02:29 AM

So basically their justification for banning was that they ****ed up and someone took advantage of it...
Why the hell dont they just chuck a roof over Vashj?

tau

26-09-2007, 02:53 AM

No, their justification for banning is that they used an exploit that let them skip straight to an end boss of an instance :P :P

Wall jumping doesn't work in too many places, but it seems like it works in just enough places to allow exploiting.

Araenel

26-09-2007, 03:43 AM

So basically their justification for banning was that they ****ed up and someone took advantage of it...
Why the hell dont they just chuck a roof over Vashj?

Just because you can do something, doesn't mean you should. :s

FX-GTZ

26-09-2007, 10:44 AM

I've been working on the brewfest event and, i've only got the first quest complete from the orc who sells fireworks, but i want to get a ram mount;
http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/7629/newbitmapimagelz2.jpg
how do i get it?

StorminNorman

26-09-2007, 12:27 PM

Because if its just one of those glitches where you can get feared through a whole heap of walls or w/e i dont really see how it can be a bannable offense. Can someone please explain what exactly happened for the rest of us.
Even if it's possible to get to it using only in-game mechanics (in this case, glitchy world geometry), bypassing content via unintended exploits (ie walljumping) is a bannable offence.

The excuse "but the game allowed me to do it" holds about as much weight as "but they should just turn on the swear filter!"

Araenel

26-09-2007, 12:57 PM

FX-GTZ

26-09-2007, 01:54 PM

Yeah smartass i read that, but i figured, since i could already do a quest, why not the others right now too.

Araenel

26-09-2007, 02:02 PM

They're different events.

StorminNorman

26-09-2007, 03:15 PM

Adventurers can show their ram-riding skills by speaking with Neill Ramstein or Ram Master Ray.

I lol'd.

Sytadel

26-09-2007, 04:06 PM

I've got some major sound issues, if anyone is having the same or has found a fix, bump this thread (http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=1778586631&postId=19943907367&sid=1#0) kthx.

StorminNorman

26-09-2007, 04:35 PM

No sound issues, but I did notice the sound dialog had been reworked, and now offers the option of selecting individual output devices from within the game.

Which is nice except it still requires a game restart to work.

My biggest problem at the moment is that there's now an arbitrary delay between selling something on the AH and receiving the money, and there's no good reason for this.

Also grats on 9k posts. :P

TSplodey

26-09-2007, 05:45 PM

My biggest problem at the moment is that there's now an arbitrary delay between selling something on the AH and receiving the money, and there's no good reason for this.
Its to counter the new wave of gold sellers. They put up a shit piece of food on the AH and give it a high buyout (with a specially given toon name). Gold seller buys it, and money would go straight to customer, unlike the 1hr through the mail (which blizzard used to scan such things).

Araenel

26-09-2007, 05:48 PM

Its to counter the new wave of gold sellers. They put up a shit piece of food on the AH and give it a high buyout (with a specially given toon name). Gold seller buys it, and money would go straight to customer, unlike the 1hr through the mail (which blizzard used to scan such things).

What she said.

As far as mods go, I've been having issues with the pitbull rangecheck so I've switched over to aguf for now until a few more updates go through. I hope it's resolved soon though, aguf suck so hard.

Sytadel

26-09-2007, 06:17 PM

Also grats on 9k posts. :P

rofl, cheers. I didn't even notice.

Also, I was able to resolve the issue - for some reason, 2.2 set my speakers to attempt to play through sorround sound. I just had to set it back to stereo (which is all I have) and now it works fine.

I haven't had any PitBull issues rae, however some guildies were saying they were having an issue where, when OoR, the frame would disappear (or similar). Apparently this is configurable just through pitbull's settings. Not sure on this, I was too busy swearing at my sound issues to take specific note :P

Vindik8or

26-09-2007, 07:19 PM

I'm having some very minor Pitbull errors that I'm sure will be fixed next time I decide to hit "Update" on aceupdater.

Hotaru_oz

26-09-2007, 08:12 PM

Wait, you're already 58? :P

Or are you looking at making a draenei or blood elf?

Nah my night elf is still lvl 21, I'm thinking of creating a Draenei but the Blood elf sounds tempting.

Queenie

27-09-2007, 11:00 AM

Found out recently Belf's get an enchanting +10 bonus. But I can't make a warrior one. Sigh. I did make a belf warlock though, I'll do enchanting with her for the hordes and whatever. I made her during my 10 day BC trial, so I have to go out and buy the game before i can do her again.

Hopefully I won't be addicted to WoW when I get back, however.

Sytadel

27-09-2007, 01:33 PM

This will not stand! (http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Thrall&n=Sytadel) There is no way my alter ego is a farmer. I mean... check out the top ring.

Also, lots of Patch 2.3 info is available (http://www.mmo-champion.com/). Zul'aman is apparently already finished and many changes are already in place, so hopefully the PTR will be up soon and it'll be a relatively quick patch.

The 2,000 rating on shoulders gives tau + I something to aim for I spose :P

StorminNorman

27-09-2007, 02:28 PM

•10% coefficient tax removed from Improved Fireball and Improved Frostbolt

About bloody time.

Araenel

27-09-2007, 04:45 PM

Tactical Mastery now greatly increases threat from Mortal Strike and Bloodthirst while in Defensive Stance

Cool I guess for non-prot tanking.

Devastate now combines the effects of Sunder Armor into it's effect, and is affected by all talents and items that affect Sunder Armor

Muh? So does Devastate now cause a sunder too? So you don't need to do 5 Sunders and then start using Devastate?

# Mana Spring Totem now restores mana at a rate of 20 mana every 2 seconds
# Water Shield now costs 0 mana to cast, and the mana per globe has been substantially increased
# Water Shield's duration has been reduced to 1 minute, and grants mana for each globe left upon ending

Oh ******ing hell yeah.

TSplodey

27-09-2007, 04:56 PM

Pretty crizazy patch notes. Fear Ward for all! Targettable Pain Suppression! 30% Meditation! And a whole bunch of other junk thats getting buffed to be slightly less junk.

Hows everyone enjoy Heroic Al'ar?

Sytadel

27-09-2007, 05:33 PM

Yeah it's a very nice patch. Druids aren't seeing much, but then again, I felt the only thing we really needed was a reason to pick up +spirit gear that is itemised for us - and the buff to intensity does that quite nicely. I was just about to start raising the gold to regem all my +9 heal/+4 spirit gems with +9 heal/+2mp/5 but with this change that may be unnecessary.

Being able to cast abolish in tree is excellent too, and it single-handedly should move me up a few spots on the meters during Vashj where I typically heal out of form in order to depoison.

Cool I guess for non-prot tanking.

It'll be awesome for DPS warriors on fights like VR, where they can basically just pull off a normal DPS cycle and switch to sword + board the moment they pull agro.

I think it's actually quite a major change, as it moves DPS warriors from being worse than feral druids at both dps and tanking to having their own unique threat-generation niche.

TrinityJayOne

27-09-2007, 08:32 PM

Being able to cast abolish in tree is excellent too
QFT. Also, nice buffs for Shammies. Wondering if all the Elementals out there will notice the stealthed 17% +dmg co-efficient nerf that comes with having LB/CL cast times reduced by .5sec. >_>

tau

27-09-2007, 09:29 PM

Maybe that's the point? To stop enh shammies being so damn hard hitting?

D:

StorminNorman

27-09-2007, 10:02 PM

Ah, the old make-them-hit-more-but-for-less-damage trick.

TrinityJayOne

27-09-2007, 10:23 PM

Maybe a bit of Shammy Talents 101 is in order. >_>

Currently LB is a 3sec cast and CL is a 2.5sec cast. There's a talent in Elemental called Lightning Mastery that reduces both these cast times by .2/.4/.6/.8/1sec, making the casts 2sec and 1.5sec respectively.

Come patch time, LB & CL will be .5sec faster casting, but Lightning Mastery will only reduce the cast times by .1/.2/.3/.4/.5sec. So they'll cast at the exact same speed, but ultimately will hit for less because a 2.5/2sec cast gets less benefit from +dmg than a 3/2.5sec cast does (17% less to be exact). There'll be whining about this on the official boards as soon as people get wind of it, mark my words. :P

tau

27-09-2007, 10:28 PM

And the crowd goes wild!

Vindik8or

27-09-2007, 10:31 PM

Shadow Priests will be the new Power Word: Shield bitches.

TSplodey

27-09-2007, 11:27 PM

Why is that.

Second

27-09-2007, 11:35 PM

I believe it relates to:
Power Word: Shield gains additional benefit from spell damage and healing bonuses.

Vindik8or

27-09-2007, 11:36 PM

Power Word: Shield gains additional benefit from spell damage and healing bonuses. However the base absorb values for ranks 10, 11, and 12 have been reduced.
Shadow Priests have substantial bonus spell damage, and often spend the points in Imp PW:S to access Inner Focus and Meditation.

TSplodey

28-09-2007, 12:53 AM

The base absorption has been lowered though. And while I realise its nearly the same for a dps caster, PWShield only benefits from +heal iirc.

Also, after checking out potential builds, Im less excited about the Pain Suppression change. There just arent enough useful healing talents in the Disc tree to warrant the loss of Emp Healing, Spiritual Healing, Spiritual Guidance and Spirit of Redemption.

Vindik8or

28-09-2007, 01:27 AM

Discipline is aaaall PvP.

StorminNorman

28-09-2007, 01:29 AM

So, uh, apparently Heroic Illidan is kinda hard.

Enrage after 15 minutes lolwut.

tau

28-09-2007, 01:38 AM

wtf is a Heroic Illidan?

StorminNorman

28-09-2007, 02:03 AM

The one where he wipes your raid after 15 minutes. There's much QQing about it on the WoW forums, though intelligent people seem to think that the only people it disadvantages are guilds that have never done Illidan before.

tau

28-09-2007, 02:19 AM

So what, they just added an enrage timer like almost every other boss in the game?

Araenel

28-09-2007, 02:44 AM

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v106/Araenel/taunub.jpg

*Detect Magic removed. All players may now see their target's beneficial effects at all times

lols, pretty massive change right thar

tau

28-09-2007, 02:48 AM

Why must you lie?

and ya, gl syt on ever getting an innervate off without the other team noticing!

Second

28-09-2007, 09:18 AM

Woo, 2nd and third update.
All items of the auction house will be sorted server side, basically it means that when you'll try to sort a particular item by price, it will sort it through all page, not only the current one.That'll make it a bit easier.
New battleground rewards are available : boots, belts, and bracers.
Spells now cast for free before a Battleground begins
Spells now cast for free for 5 seconds after resurrecting at a Spirit Healer in Battlegrounds
Additional Honor is rewarded upon conclusion of Warsong Gulch, Arathi Basin, and Eye of the Storm.Oohh...
Detect Magic removed. All players may now see their target's beneficial effects at all timesWhat the hell? :o

Queenie

28-09-2007, 11:14 AM

ARRRGH

THEY CHANGED WEAPON MASTERY TO NOT MAKE YOU IMMUNE TO DISARM!!! POOO!

Well at least now i can take the points out of that and put it into something better... like prot- by 70, if i'm still arms i can also get that nice +10% armor thing.

Weapon mastery talent change sucks though. I'll have to make a smithy now.

StorminNorman

28-09-2007, 12:54 PM

So what, they just added an enrage timer like almost every other boss in the game?
The complaint is that the enrage timer is pretty short for a guild that isn't already farming Illidan. My understanding is that it also continues counting during a part of the fight that's effectively a lengthy cinematic.

I've not done Illidan, so I don't know for sure. It could just be that there's a better strategy for killing him than the one most guilds are using, or something else about the fight no one's yet figured out.

If the timer was 18 or 20 minutes, it would, apparently, be a lot fairer.

I've also read that the timer was hotfixed out alongside the A'lar change, so I'm not sure what to believe now.

EDIT: Word over at Elitist Jerks is that the timer has been increased, probably to 20 minutes.

EDIT EDIT:
Ok, we're in the process of deploying a hotfix that will change Illidan's berserk timer to 25 minutes. I'll make a post when our server people tell me it's been deployed to the realms. We're also looking into what went wrong in our processes that led us to the 15 minute timer suddenly appearing.

And now, I want to discuss berserk timers for a little while...

It was certainly not our intent to add a strong DPS check to this encounter with a new 15 minute berserk timer. Pretty much all of our encounters have berserk timers, but the vast majority of them are set at values that you'll probably not see during normal play. They exist mainly as safety check to make sure that the fight isn't being beaten with some really odd strategy or some kind of undiscovered exploit.

Now, some of them do have very aggressive berserk timers as part of the overall challenge. Encounters like Hydross the Unstable, Patchwerk, and Leotheras the Blind come to mind. The timers for those encounters enforce a minimum DPS requirement on the raid, which means you can't stack the raid with healing classes, have your DPS be very timid, and expect to win. If we set these kinds of timers TOO aggressively, then you have to stack in the opposite way with fewer healers and more damage dealing classes. Our challenge is finding the sweet spot.

Other encounters have more "organic" limits to the overall fight length. Gruul the Dragonkiller eventually grows to the point of destroying tanks in one hit, Lady Vashj's ever growing Spore Bat army wears the raid down, etc. Those mechanics are all pretty cool, but every encounter is different. Some fights work well with these kinds of soft organic time limits, but sometimes the simple brick wall of a berserk timer promotes a bit more tension and sense of urgency.

So back to Illidan... the 25 minute Berserk timer is not designed to be an aggressive timer. Raids fighting Illidan should have plenty of time to beat him.

TSplodey

28-09-2007, 02:22 PM

Discipline is aaaall PvP.

Disc doesnt know what it wants to be. My current spec is 23/38/0. Pretty much any build takes a few points in Disc. A full Disc Priest is junk for PvE. Cant dps well, cant heal well. Disc is a half assed support tree for Holy and Shadow, which is bullcrap because it amounts to Priests have 2 or 2.5 talent trees.

EDIT: Fixed spec numbers.

Theiffy

28-09-2007, 11:54 PM

Bleh i prolly won't get going to Kara anymore cause raid leader wants to gear up his shitty friends who don't know how to play.

This rogue who gets preference over me mainly because his the raid leaders friend has:
- 1.8 offhand
- doesnt use feign or vanish if he gets agro
- has a fist weapon but apparently isn't combat spec (according to matt)
- gets his arse handed to him by a rogue in blues (he has purples)

We wiped several times on Nightbane and *i* get subbed out because we need more dps even though i clearly was beating him and nearly everyone else. =/

I know how to do the fights, and i bring my own pots and food and i bring lots of poisons and i think i'm pretty much doing everything right but he still wants to take his shitty friends and still wipe week after week.

Bleh. I hate pvp. I dunno what else to do really.

I'd like to do heroics but apparently i'm just too 'crappy' geared according to Syt who does them and doesnt want to take me along.

*****s.

Oh well time to do netherdrake dailies!

StorminNorman

29-09-2007, 12:51 AM

Armory or GTFO, IMO.

Theiffy

29-09-2007, 01:40 AM

...Armory isnt working. o.O

Vindik8or

29-09-2007, 01:43 AM

What's the punk's name?

Also: get Vitality and lose all the Riposte rubbish. If you're parrying, you're dead anyway.

PS. Syt is being a dick. There's no great requirements on DPS for Heroics except that you hit hard and don't pull aggro.

TSplodey

29-09-2007, 02:01 AM

Another Lurker kill, another week of no trinket.

QQ

Vindik8or

29-09-2007, 02:30 AM

Wow, the forums screwing up again much?

Araenel

29-09-2007, 02:30 AM

I just assumed he wasn't combat due to the offhand. Turns out he is which is even worse.

Sytadel

29-09-2007, 02:58 AM

Yeah WoW is quite boring for the seasoned vets I think. I said to my guild last night I probably would've quit raiding if they didn't chuck me an officer promotion. The responsibility associated with and the extra power of being an officer has made raiding interesting again. It means raiding on the whole is a lot more active and involved.

Don't know how long it will last, probably depends whether or not we get Kael'thas down. I'm also anticipating probably having to cut back when daylight savings comes in and raids go to - gulp - 1:00 am.

I'd like to do heroics but apparently i'm just too 'crappy' geared according to Syt who does them and doesnt want to take me along.

eh? what you don't know when I'm being sarcastic?

I've run like four heroics in the couple of weeks (SP twice, tombs once, furnace once), two were all-guild and the other two were "LF1M healer" (usually all that I'll join as I don't like waiting). I'm lucky to find the time to do one heroic a week between raiding, farming, and pvp, so if you and I aren't doing nightly heroics then that is probably why...

Given I've invited phero along to heroics before I think we both know I'm not being an arsehole.

I honestly do wish I had a bit more time to do heroics with you + the gang, but raiding is a harsh mistress.

On that note I picked up the Vashj healer ring and Solarian healing staff last night. All-in-all, my Druid has had a damn good run with regards to loot, right back to when I first ran Karazhan and picked up 5 epics on my first night. The solarian staff concluded all pre-Kael'thas 25-man loot I need aside from a Gruul neck I'll never see:

http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o246/Sytadel/iaert5.jpg

StorminNorman

29-09-2007, 11:37 AM

Also: get Vitality and lose all the Riposte rubbish. If you're parrying, you're dead anyway.
While I agree it isn't overly useful in a raid situation, raiders still have to solo/farm/whatever every so often, and Riposte is a ridiculously useful soloing skill. For 10 energy you get 150% weapon damage, and a heap more if it crits (which is often, I find). The disarm effect is actually secondary to the damage it does, for me.

Not to mention that there's no other place for those 6 extra points in a "pure" PvE spec. Rogues get a lot of "spare" talent points.

Not to mention the fairly nice (PvP) buff Riposte gets next patch, when disarm immunity goes away.

Vindik8or

29-09-2007, 12:23 PM

Thieffy is, however, short a few nice points in assassination, and missing the epic win that is Vitality. The only place I can see to drain the points from is Riposte.

TrinityJayOne

29-09-2007, 12:26 PM

the other two were "LF1M healer" (usually all that I'll join as I don't like waiting).
I'm the same! On Shaanqy I generally took what I could get regardless of how complete the group was. On Moo however, if they don't have a tank then I often just say "when you get a tank PST, finishing quest" to keep my options open. If they're still looking for a tank when a "LF1M healer" group comes along......well you can imagine where I'll be going.

Haven't played in over a week myself, been busy with a new job and the patch has screwed up a few things that will probably require me to restore all the mods to default settings (LFG, BG, tracking etc. buttons are now randomly strewn across the screen instead of next to the map). I want to play but at the same time I really cbf tinkering around for a few hours to fix such a small problem, and my obsessive nature won't let me play until it's fixed. :x

StorminNorman

29-09-2007, 12:43 PM

Thieffy is, however, short a few nice points in assassination, and missing the epic win that is Vitality. The only place I can see to drain the points from is Riposte.
Endurance, Imp Sprint and Imp Gouge are fairly obvious candidates.

Honestly, though, Rogues have so many extra talent points that her current build is perfectly viable. Hell, 0/0/0 is perfectly viable for a rogue.

TrinityJayOne

29-09-2007, 01:11 PM

I just fixed the buttons with a simple re-aligning of the frames, so epic flapflap here I come.

Rae- apparently Bongos has some major issues with paging in that additional pages get populated by whatever spells are in your default page, or the button images change when paging but still cast the spells from your default page. I'm not having any issues myself, although I might not be affected cos I haven't updated mine in a while. My addons are so self-modified and so reliant on the original core compilation that the whole thing is like a jenga tower with one block on the bottom. I try not to touch it unless I absolutely have to. :P

Araenel

29-09-2007, 01:21 PM

TrinityJayOne

29-09-2007, 03:34 PM

I have no idea what you just said, but I'm not having any issues >_>
http://members.optusnet.com.au/trinityjayone/lolmatt.jpg

Silverwolf

29-09-2007, 03:43 PM

While I agree it isn't overly useful in a raid situation, raiders still have to solo/farm/whatever every so often, and Riposte is a ridiculously useful soloing skill. For 10 energy you get 150% weapon damage, and a heap more if it crits (which is often, I find). The disarm effect is actually secondary to the damage it does, for me.

Not to mention that there's no other place for those 6 extra points in a "pure" PvE spec. Rogues get a lot of "spare" talent points.

Not to mention the fairly nice (PvP) buff Riposte gets next patch, when disarm immunity goes away.

Stormin your ignorance hurts me. Theres is tons of room to spend those points in a pure PvE spec, all which would increase dps.
I looked at teegs' spec and edited it a bit
http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/rogue/talents.html?0053201054000000000000243050020050150 023210510000000000000000000000
Any raiding rogue should have at least 16 points in assassination tree for ruthlessness, relentless strikes and full lethality.
Imp Eviscerate isn't needed because a raiding rogue uses rupture (although many kara bosses are immune)
The 6 points dropped in riposte could be used to finish off her two points in lethality, then add points into vile poisons and murder.
Plus, of course Vitality as Vin said.
Endurance and Imp Gouge are not needed at all for raiding.
Yes her spec is viable, but that doesn't mean it is optimal.

Plus when it comes to farming, my rogue (who is as pve raiding spec as you can get) can farm faster than most people, when faring Primal Air i drop the elementals in < 10 seconds.

TrinityJayOne

29-09-2007, 04:09 PM

Of course there's a big difference between not being your perfect min-maxer OMG SERIOUS BUSINESS raiding build (Teegs), and just being shit (this other Rogue).

PS-
Plus when it comes to farming, my rogue (who is as pve raiding spec as you can get) can farm faster than most people, when faring Primal Air i drop the elementals in < 10 seconds.
So you're saying that your PvE spec is good at PvE? AMAZING!! Remember that time you were PvP specced and couldn't take on a few BRD mobs?

Vindik8or

29-09-2007, 05:03 PM

I finally got my Edgewalker Longboots (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=28545) from Moroes. First time they have ever dropped for my guild too.

Theiffy

29-09-2007, 05:17 PM

Of course i'm not the best raid spec, i've raided about twice now and prolly wont be able to much in the future, the majority of the time i've been grinding daily quests and quests in general. But saying that - the majority of my spec is pve.

Since were on the topic about the best pure raid spec for a rogue - we both know that to be THE best raid spec is combat daggers and none of you are combat daggers. So if you are going to harp on about having to be absolutely perfect in your raiding spec, you kinda need to be dagger spec too. >_>

But saying that, i don't see anything wrong with a few little exceptions, as long as you can pewpew well then it's fine. o.O

(ps- i think when i asked Matt or maybe it was tau, can't remember, they said don't bother getting vitality cause it was crap, not that i know or anything, just what i was told a while ago)

tau

29-09-2007, 05:24 PM

Endurance and Imp Gouge are not needed at all for raiding.
Yes her spec is viable, but that doesn't mean it is optimal.

bwahahaha. no imp gouge? And replace it with what, imp dodge?

aahahahah.

And what's not to like about earlier evasion/sprints?

Vindik8or

29-09-2007, 05:46 PM

Combat Swords: still the best. Vitality scales very well with your gear.

Silverwolf

29-09-2007, 06:06 PM

bwahahaha. no imp gouge? And replace it with what, imp dodge?

aahahahah.

And what's not to like about earlier evasion/sprints?
Theres isn't much need for them! you should know that.

And Trin there is quite a bit of difference between PvE raiding and 'other' PvE.
I was saying that my raiding spec is just fine for farming even though its made for raiding.
Plus i wasn't PvP specced in brd, that was combat daggers. if i was PvP specced i'd be mace combat or mutilate.

Its all about what you are going to use it for.
I am currently raiding 4+ nights a week in a guild trying to progress so of course im going to try to get the most out of my spec.
Teegs, as she said isnt raiding seriously (plus i doubt chaoi would notice if she started doing more/less dps) so it doesnt matter so much, i was simply pointing out a spec that would be more 'hardcore raiding'

Plus dagger spec isn't really the best dps for raiding teegs, it may have been at 60 but its not so much now (i dont know if it is worse or how much worse it is because i don't care). Not to mention aus latency + behind the target can make things annoying.

Ugh now i remember why i hate internet arguments :<

Vindik8or

29-09-2007, 06:09 PM

The best rogue build at any given time comes down to what you've got in your main hand.

StorminNorman

29-09-2007, 06:55 PM

Stormin your ignorance hurts me.
It's not ignorance, it's the firm knowledge that a random spread of talent points is highly likely to make up a proper rogue build. The class is by far the most versatile in the game, and has the best selection of talents outside of a mage's fire tree.

I'm a bit of a fence-sitter with regards to Envenom. It's an odd skill, to say the least, and it has a number of issues. It removes one of Evis's less major problems (armour mitigation), but then adds the requirement of poison stacks on the target. Not to mention that both skills have fail-worthy scaling.

Envenom was a solution looking for a problem. What needed to happen was for Blizzard to stop listening to the cocktards that bitch about the possibility of 5k evis crits, and actually make the skill scale properly.

With the change to poison charges in 2.1, Envenom seems like an even less useful skill to me.

I tend to find I bounce between Envenom and Eviscerate as the mood takes me. Probably if I get back into proper raiding I'll reassess my views on the issue.

That said, I prefer rupture to both of them, assuming I have time to let it bleed for full.

Finally, I think this just shows the great thing about Rogues: they're the best class when it comes down to matching up to your personal playstyle. As long as you're not one of those retarded "min-maxer" types (nothing in WoW requires that much finesse), then you can easily come up with a useful spec that will deal substantial damage that you want.

The best rogue build at any given time comes down to what you've got in your main hand.

Current thinking seems to be that MH sword/OH fist with relevant specialisation talents = maximum DPS. It's an odd build, but there's a bit of theorycraft to back it up.

Vindik8or

29-09-2007, 06:58 PM

No way. Mixing your weapon types is silly.

Clift

29-09-2007, 07:14 PM

Hunters... Spirit Bond, Yay or gay?

TrinityJayOne

29-09-2007, 08:45 PM

Plus i wasn't PvP specced in brd, that was combat daggers. if i was PvP specced i'd be mace combat or mutilate.
You were Mutilate spec'd. I distinctly remember you going BUT I'M MUTILATE when I mocked you for failing. :P

Silverwolf

29-09-2007, 10:03 PM

Current thinking seems to be that MH sword/OH fist with relevant specialisation talents = maximum DPS. It's an odd build, but there's a bit of theorycraft to back it up.

Its the other way around silly, my rogue is fist MH/sword OH. :P
The idea is that the Sword Spec procs the MH, so you offhand a sword and mainhand a fist, so when you get an extra attack you get an extra attack with your mainhand, with an extra 5% to crit.
If you look at my rogue you can see the spec, and it works great.
http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Frostmourne&n=Kyreen

No way. Mixing your weapon types is silly.
No you are :P

http://elitistjerks.com/419880-post15.html <- here is a post comparing sword/sword with fist/sword spec along with the mathematics, if you can be bothered reading it :P

Vindik8or

29-09-2007, 11:10 PM

I think this guy's first disclaimer at the end is the best. There's a lot of assumptions, and the gains are very small.

StorminNorman

30-09-2007, 12:26 AM

Its the other way around silly, my rogue is fist MH/sword OH. :P

Yeah, I couldn't remember which way it was.

Hotaru_oz

30-09-2007, 12:41 AM

Sytadel

30-09-2007, 03:19 PM

A few interesting tidbits from an interview with Metzen:

We're still playing far too much of The Burning Crusade -- but, for some reason, Blizzard vice president of creative development Chris Metzen seems to be apologizing for it. "It had a lot of high-concept ideas, high-concept environments," he says, calling to mind the psychedelic mushrooms of Zangarmarsh, the tragic majesty of Tempest Keep, "but other than some really nice moments, there was nothing really personal about it." Never mind that MMOs are inherently aloof. Try as you might, you can't really personalize "killing" Illidan for the 17th time with 24 Ventrilo voices arguing over Family Guy reruns and whether the Crystal Spire of Karabor is meant for "Shammies" or "Pallies."

Or can you? Wrath of the Lich King, the second World of WarCraft expansion, opens up the icy continent of Northrend in Azeroth and -- if Metzen meets his new narrative goals -- a moral can of worms for players. The story picks up the loose ends left by the WarCraft III expansion The Frozen Throne ("It's an indirect sequel," says Metzen), as the Alliance and the Horde set sail to deal with a menace they've left unchecked for far too long: Arthas Menethil, once the noble crown prince of Lordaeron and Paladin of the Silver Hand -- now the all-powerful Lich King, bent on turning the entire world into an army of zombie slaves. And he could, if he so chose -- push the figurative button, and every man, woman, and child in the world would be part of his army of the damned. So what's stopping him, really?

"Arthas thinks it'd be funny if we all did it for him," says Metzen, hinting that the quest chains, the dungeon crawls, and the narrative hooks of Wrath may all just be part of Arthas' master plan. "He fought the good fight, fought as hard as he could, and ultimately he went nuts up in the far north. And the bad guy used him as the hammer. The bad guy sent him home to kill his dad and kill his people...and loose the Plague on everything he ever fought to protect. And all these crusading heroes, with all their epic gear and all their good intentions and all their nobility and all that horses***, flood into the far north...and he's pretty much [there to] reel 'em in."

The idea's certainly an enticing one. And as quick as Metzen is to point out that "this ain't Shakespeare," there's definitely something literate here: a narrative nod to the fact that in MMOs, the designers really are pulling the strings. "We want to add some layers of psychology that put you in strange moral situations of how you fight the good fight that mimic some of Arthas' own experiences.... By the time you reach level 80 [the expansion's new level cap], by the time you stand toe-to-toe with this bastard, do you still have your pretty principles and highfalutin morality, or is it a mirror reflection? Arthas is after that as much as global domination. It's a hook that makes it personal that Burning Crusade didn't have."

Exciting :D

Clift

30-09-2007, 07:08 PM

Indeed it is! :razz:

Also, after leaving my Gruul farming guild a month or so ago, and joining a guild that hadn't started Kara yet... I'm almost back to where I was progress wise :razz: Got Prince down today, as well as Illhoof... Leaving only Netherspite and Nightbane :D

Picked up the cape off Prince (cbf linking it, nor can I recall the name :razz: ), but it put me up to 1681 +healing \m/

Dunkurtin

30-09-2007, 10:05 PM

Updating my addons is giving me a huge headache.
I got AceUpdater but wasnt paying attention and accidentily clicked ok too early when choosing the directory. Now the retarded program wont let me change it. I even tried removing it completely and downloading again.

StorminNorman

30-09-2007, 10:18 PM

Dunkurtin

30-09-2007, 10:21 PM

Test to see if last page will load.

StorminNorman

01-10-2007, 01:17 AM

So, uh, Apparently Nef's druid call was buffed a bit. (http://img215.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wowscrnshot092807033855yr2.jpg)

Araenel

01-10-2007, 03:13 AM

I'm rapidly losing faith in Ace, after the Rock/Ace3 thing, and the admission by an Ace dev that WAU is intended only for Ace devs to use.

As Gurgthock said over on EJ, that's just an asshole thing to do.

I don't really see what the issue is. WAU was always a (free) luxury to get updates for your addons in a single click instead of manually updating them yourself. I'm aware of the whole argument that just because it's free that developers have a responsibility not to release shitty code if they're releasing it to the public...but I've always held the opinion that if I'm going to use someone elses work to mod my game, i'm going to be at their mercy for a reliable mod. If it doesn't work i'll either wait for an update or if it doesn't get fixed, just don't use it.

I think the WoW community as a whole has been far too spoilt with good quality mods for free and are crying foul when something doesn't go their way.

There's 3 options as far as I'm concerned with mods:
- Wait patiently for a mod to work properly
- If it doesn't, learn how to do it yourself and check the mod to find the problem
- Make your own altogether

Vindik8or

01-10-2007, 12:01 PM

Could someone please enlighten us as to what the actual issue is here with the WoW Ace Updater?

StorminNorman

01-10-2007, 12:54 PM

I don't really see what the issue is. WAU was always a (free) luxury to get updates for your addons in a single click instead of manually updating them yourself.

If you listen to the Ace devs, it's not even that. The only reason it exists is so Ace devs can grab mods off the Ace SVN server.

Of course, that doesn't explain why it has that stupid advertising window in it (if they didn't intend it for general consumption, why is that there?).

I think the WoW community as a whole has been far too spoilt with good quality mods for free and are crying foul when something doesn't go their way.

I disagree with this, to an extent. The vast majority of WoW mods are terrible. So terrible, in fact, that no one uses them. Hence why you might think that most mods are pretty good.

Thankfully, there's no mechanism in WoW to allow mods to be charged for, and all WoW mods are effectively open-source, as they can only be distributed as uncompiled LUA scripts. I think this has enforced a simple layer of control on addon devs, because they know anyone is free to modify their code.

There's 3 options as far as I'm concerned with mods:
- Wait patiently for a mod to work properly
- If it doesn't, learn how to do it yourself and check the mod to find the problem
- Make your own altogether
Unfortunately, the average WoW player isn't going to do any of those things. If a mod screws up for them, then they're going to stop using it.

Could someone please enlighten us as to what the actual issue is here with the WoW Ace Updater?

This thread contains most of the saga. (http://elitistjerks.com/f32/t16019-rock_framework_ckknight/)

The gist of it is that, pretty much overnight, the old Ace2 config backend (DewDrop) got replaced by a completely different one (Rock). If you've updated your Ace mods in the past week, you'd have noticed that you can no longer conveniently click on FuBar/Ace2 mods and adjust settings via a menu. Instead it throws up a large dialogue on screen with all the config options.

I like Rock, but forcing the change so suddenly on end-users is pretty daft. There's also the issue that most mods have their configuration set up for the hierarchical menu that Dewdrop uses. Because Rock directly converts this into its own UI, the interface right now suffers from some pretty terrible usability problems.

That will likely get better as Ace devs update their mods to take advantage of the (actually better in the long run) Rock framework.

Oh, there's also the whole thing about the Ace2 community having a schism and we're now getting two separate frameworks (Ace3 and Rock).

TSplodey

01-10-2007, 02:15 PM

I was wondering what that Rock thing was when I updated to FuBar3 the other day.

StorminNorman

01-10-2007, 04:54 PM

Yeah. I'd suggest updating again right now, as Rock's had some fairly major changes that will at least let you bring up right-click menus in FuBar. It's a little more user-friendly for sure.

The only problem I've had with the change is that I now need to alt-rightclick on a PitBull frame to configure it, as there's no PitBull icon on FuBar anymore.

I actually made a couple of dramatic (for me) changes to my UI today. I installed an addon called IceHUD, which is one of those "paint health/mana bars around your character on screen" mods. I've been wanting one of these for a while, because unitframes in the "traditional" position are too far for me to glance away at (due to having a high-resolution widescreen monitor).

In a victory for displaying redundant information, however, I set PitBull's player and target unitframes up to somewhat mimic the health bar setup in most fighting games. It's kind of cool, but I have no real reason to do it other than for looks now. I'm tempted to totally disable the player and target frames in PitBull altogether, but I'm not sure that's a good idea.

I also grabbed the best WoW mod ever. It's called DynRepBar, and it switches the rep bar to display the faction of the last rep points you received automatically.

Since I dumped SWStats for Violation, I've been looking for something that replicates the "Skills" functionality of SWStats. I came across Assessment, which seems to do this pretty well. I need to fiddle with it a bit more, but I got it displaying the info I want it to display fairly easily.

All of these are available via WAU, by the way.

I should probably post my UI in here one day, but you guys will hate it because I still use the default Blizzard button bars and minimap.

Araenel

01-10-2007, 05:36 PM

I'll kick us off then, may as well have some more UI spam (pictures r pretty lols)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v106/Araenel/WoWScrnShot_100107_052332.jpg

Messed around with eepanels again last night and ended up with this, most of the idea taken from a lot of the UIs on the EJ forums :P

TSplodey

01-10-2007, 05:48 PM

I also grabbed the best WoW mod ever. It's called DynRepBar, and it switches the rep bar to display the faction of the last rep points you received automatically.

Been using that one a while, one of the best mods evar imo.

StorminNorman

01-10-2007, 07:12 PM

I've hidden the name of the other player, and scaled the image down by about 20% because otherwise it's ZOMGXBOXHEUG.

I'm considering making the player/target frames smaller, or getting rid of them completely.

Notes:

- The target frame degenerates to the right, Streetfighter-style.
- The bright yellow line in the energy bar on IceHUD is the regen ticker
- FuBar mods are, from right to left: PerformanceFu, MoneyFu, BagFu, TopScoreFu, QuestFu, GuildFu, oRA2, BigWigs, DurabilityFu, TinyTipFu, GearRating, Omen, MailFu, ReagentFu, Violation, Dr. Damage, Assessment, LocationFu and ClockFu.
- Quest tracker brought to you by QuestFu, which is a fantastic mod.
- Assessment is the window above Violation.
- Omen appears next to Violation as necessary.
- Yes, I still use Blizzard's crappy button bars. One day I'll learn to use something else.
- Why yes, my skills are in weird spots, thanks for noticing. There's a really good reason for that layout (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logitech_G15), though.
- No I will not tell you what the blurred channel name is.

http://ikaruga.homelinux.net/~tim/WoWUI.jpg

Sytadel

01-10-2007, 07:18 PM

Messed around with eepanels again last night and ended up with this, most of the idea taken from a lot of the UIs on the EJ forums :P

It's pretty similar to mine actually, especially the position of your trinkets and player frames.

http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o246/Sytadel/kaelthasUI.jpg

I still need to clean it up a bit post-2.2 patch, but for the most part it's preserved.

Araenel

01-10-2007, 08:54 PM

I've hidden the name of the other player

But why? >_>

is it ur boyfrend lols

StorminNorman

01-10-2007, 09:15 PM

lawl.

It's just because I didn't get his permission to include him in a screenshot I was going to put on the internet. I'm nice like that.

Vindik8or

01-10-2007, 09:30 PM

What's the latest version of WAU? Mine keeps crashing :(

EDIT: Answered my own question. Should I uninstall the old version and install the new version, or just install over the top?

tau

01-10-2007, 09:41 PM

I wonder when the stupidly lazy folk of WoW will stop using a program made for devs and just manually update mods that need it.

Vindik8or

01-10-2007, 09:45 PM

There's dependencies and junk I've got now that I don't even know the names of.

tau

02-10-2007, 02:20 AM

https://www.worldofwarcraft.com/account/images/cancelled.jpg

Sytadel

02-10-2007, 02:42 AM

Weaksauce!

LF 2v2 partner

tau

02-10-2007, 02:47 AM

still have till 17th of november or something :P

Araenel

02-10-2007, 03:00 AM

Yeah but what's the point you dirty quitter.

!

Silverwolf

02-10-2007, 04:22 AM

Oh lawd D:
(btw syt if you want me i'll 2v2 with you :P i'll respec too D:)

Araenel

02-10-2007, 05:05 AM

Although, all they needed was a panda on the cancellation screen looking all sad saying "Are you sure? ;_;" and he'd never quit >_>

Second

02-10-2007, 09:09 AM

https://www.worldofwarcraft.com/account/images/cancelled.jpg
But WHY?! Your warlock and I could've quested. D:
Do a cube_punk/Nemzilla and clear your characters too, so that if you ever DO come back, you're pretty much screwed. :P

NiB

02-10-2007, 12:08 PM

After what seemed liked an endless chain of quests I managed to upgrade my main tanking weapon from the This (http://thottbot.com/i31234) to This (http://thottbot.com/i31071)

I'm hoping that little bit more DPS helps my threat generation and Im tossign up whether to put on a wpn dmg chant or a strength one.

My biggest problem is that the rest of the guild usually mows down my threat when we instance together which is no doubt causing them concerns over my spot in Kara.

I've started to think I may be missing some tanking technique, currently its all about spamming sunder then revenge & devastate.

what else could I be doing to generate threat ?

tau

02-10-2007, 12:10 PM

Ahaha, what, they're testing you in 5mans?

outside of raids - It's the group's fault for pulling aggro

Inside raids you should be fine since bosses will be giving you a ****tonne of threat to work with.

btw, heroic strike is good for replacing your autohit with a high aggro one.

Vindik8or

02-10-2007, 12:11 PM

SHIIIIEEEEEELLLLLLD SLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAM!

Sytadel

02-10-2007, 12:53 PM

Yeah... shield slam is the big one. Use it every time the cooldown is available. Second best is revenge, followed by (I think?) devestate, and then sunder armor. When you are at around ~50 rage and increasing, start using Heroic Strike as well. You can also make a macro like this:

/cast Heroic Strike
/cast Devestate

When you've got more rage than you know what to do with, this will make sure that spamming devestate also spams heroic strike.

Also, how much +hit do you have? Warriors who miss a lot will have rage problems. Also be sure to call on voice chat/raid if your attacks get parried or dodged so the raid knows you need more time to generate threat.

Stormyau

02-10-2007, 01:25 PM

https://www.worldofwarcraft.com/account/images/cancelled.jpg
Guess what I did about 2 weeks ago?

Part of me quitting was to not post in this thread....

DAMNIT!

Sytadel

02-10-2007, 02:32 PM

So I found out half an hour ago that DST starts in 3 weeks, meaning I won't be able to raid without seriously ****ing up RL.

GG D:

tau

02-10-2007, 02:39 PM

\o|

|o/

\o/

NiB

02-10-2007, 04:26 PM

When you are at around ~50 rage and increasing, start using Heroic Strike as well. You can also make a macro like this:

/cast Heroic Strike
/cast Devestate

When you've got more rage than you know what to do with, this will make sure that spamming devestate also spams heroic strike.

Thats the thing I never understood about Heroic strike, its a "next melee" move but I always thought that you had to use it as a one off. Instead what I'm hearing is that I can click it and then devastate using a macro and my devastate will have the added bonus of the HS threat ?

also, got a Druid from scratch to lv19 on sunday, they surely have to be the most fun class to play in the game.

Araenel

02-10-2007, 04:52 PM

Thats the thing I never understood about Heroic strike, its a "next melee" move but I always thought that you had to use it as a one off. Instead what I'm hearing is that I can click it and then devastate using a macro and my devastate will have the added bonus of the HS threat ?

also, got a Druid from scratch to lv19 on sunday, they surely have to be the most fun class to play in the game.

Hm? No, the macro will just cast both of those moves. Since heroic strike is a 'next attack' type of move you can have them in the same macro (no global cooldown interference). You'll just use devastate and then on the next auto attack, use heroic strike. Rocket science!

NiB

02-10-2007, 05:04 PM

Guess I better learn to write macros then :P

Dunkurtin

02-10-2007, 05:28 PM

I am very happy to say that my problem of groups not letting me tank seem to have dissappeared in the last few days. I've tanked about 6-8 Ramps runs in the last 2 days. Only one with wipes was the first where the dps warrior kept managing to take Zazan's threat for short bursts yet wouldn't come to the same side of him as me so kept getting the healer hit by the fireball. Once we finally got him to move with me we had no problems with Nazan facing the healer. Sure he died real quick because he wouldn't move out of the fire but the rest of us survived. =)

All the other runs went pretty smooth once i was in the tanking seat (a couple of them saw me starting out as healer or extra dps till i pointed out i would do better than the current tank). I ended up getting quite a few people wanting me to swap guilds because their guilds lacked "hardcore tanks". Hopefully word gets around a bit so i'll have plenty of chances to run instances. It probably helps that it seems all the warriors lvling in Outlands at the moment seem to be dps. With a little luck i may even be able to repair the pally tanks reputation on my server.

Araenel

02-10-2007, 05:32 PM

Guess I better learn to write macros then :P

They're not really essential. The only tank macro I have is a stance dance one for fear.

My basic tanking rotation goes sunder -> shield block -> sunder -> revenge -> (heroic strike if there's rage).

Repeat that until you can devastate and replace sunder with devastate, although apparently that wont be necessary next patch, depends what the change entails though.

SOX

02-10-2007, 06:01 PM

patFX

02-10-2007, 08:10 PM

First post in the WoW thread so a bit of info. Been playing for a few months now, have a level 70 belf pally that is holy spec'd. I play on the US server named Nagrand. My guild and I have been in Kara for three weeks so far (every Fri/Sat), we've downed every boss except Netherspite and Nightbane.

Here's a screenshot.

http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/1601/picture1ph0.th.png (http://img404.imageshack.us/my.php?image=picture1ph0.png)

And here's my armoury link.

http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Nagrand&n=Axsu

Lastly a question, any suggestions as to which server I should transfer to? I'm looking for one that is more popular, it's near impossible to find groups on Nagrand.

Thanks.

Clift

02-10-2007, 08:48 PM

Did a few Arena matches with a guildy for the first time today :razz:

They're quite fun tbh, much more engaging than BG's :D

FX-GTZ

02-10-2007, 09:02 PM

Ding 64 on my orc hunter, and im still doing shitty dps.. But i dont care!!! i just want to try a flying mount ffs!

Queenie

02-10-2007, 10:44 PM

I am also on nagrand. Alliance mattimeo- has not played for a while. Needs upgrades.

Dunkurtin

03-10-2007, 01:00 AM

http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Thaurissan&n=Dunkurtin
Theres my char if anyone interested in seeing his current gear. Atm im just trying to stack as much +stam as i can, picking up +Def and +spell where i can.

Anyway, was reading some stuff on the WoW site and ended up reading the interview about Death Knights. Apparently they're going to be tanks yet use no shield. Should be interesting to see what they bring to tanking.

Mouldy

03-10-2007, 01:10 AM

I thought they were pinning the Death Knight as a hero class - did I miss something?

Are they scrapping hero classes?

Dunkurtin

03-10-2007, 01:21 AM

They are a hero class. Hero class apparently doesn't mean better than other though. It just means you have to complete some quest chain at 80 to unlock them. Also i think they start at 60 so you dont have to lvl them right from lvl 1.

Marcu

03-10-2007, 01:45 AM

Bob the Destroyer

03-10-2007, 01:57 AM

LFG: Headless Horseman

Araenel

03-10-2007, 02:17 AM

Dibs on broomstick mount.

Dunkurtin

03-10-2007, 05:46 AM

I don't like the idea of that, they should just release them as a new class. I really need a new class to get me interested in the game again. But Blizz need to realise that releasing one new class is going to be chaotic, everyone is going to have one... 0_0
Thats the whole point of having to do a lvl 80 quest to unlock them. Everyone can't just roll one straight away. Sure there will be a huge gap between when people start hitting 80 and guilds actually start the new end game content as everyone will roll a Death Night once they can, but eventually everything will settle down and everything will be nice and balanced again.

Second

03-10-2007, 09:19 AM

BREWFEST, WOO!

Yeah, good fun, but the "barking" quests don't work, it appears. :(

Sytadel

03-10-2007, 02:11 PM

Thats the whole point of having to do a lvl 80 quest to unlock them. Everyone can't just roll one straight away. Sure there will be a huge gap between when people start hitting 80 and guilds actually start the new end game content as everyone will roll a Death Night once they can, but eventually everything will settle down and everything will be nice and balanced again.

Currently they're undecided on how you unlock them. They said it might be, for example, a Lv.60 quest where you "learn" to become a death knight to serve Arthas, but then at the last minute you change your mind. Then you start at Lv.60 in an "escape from Stratholme" quest, although apparently this is just one of many ideas.

WHat they don't want is new players who are set on being a death knight forced to level a character to 80 just to play one. So on the whole, they are undecided I think.

StorminNorman

03-10-2007, 02:14 PM

Lastly a question, any suggestions as to which server I should transfer to? I'm looking for one that is more popular, it's near impossible to find groups on Nagrand.
Jubei'Thos or Frostmourne, assuming FM is open for transfers now.

In unrelated news, JT now has voice-chat enabled.

Marcu

03-10-2007, 02:19 PM

I still think it's stupid releasing only one new class. The proper thing is to release 2 (don't ask me what because I don't know) but it would be more balanced that way IMO, and give people a bit of choice.

TSplodey

03-10-2007, 02:43 PM

The only thing that defines the DK as a 'hero' class is that he doesnt start at lv1, and I think Blizzard's intention is they play different from the other classes.
LFG: Headless Horseman

LF Halloween first.

Araenel

03-10-2007, 04:04 PM

wtb more brewfest quests?

where are they all D:

Second

03-10-2007, 05:13 PM

wtb more brewfest quests?

where are they all D:
Been able to do the barking quest? No one this morning was able to.

Edit: Ooh. Apparently level 70s can't get some of the quest? Man, what a total ****up of an event, blizzard.

Araenel

03-10-2007, 05:14 PM

Nope, can't do the pink elekk quest either.

StorminNorman

03-10-2007, 06:39 PM

I did the Elekk quest on my 68 rogue. Haven't tried it on a 70 yet.

The barker quests wouldn't work for me, though.

Queenie

03-10-2007, 10:16 PM

I have idea for next expansion.

New race playable- Pandaren.

Faction- Neutral.

He can do quests for both Alliance and horde, but at some point has to choose sides possibly. Or can just keep on rolling.]

Start in some japanese/chinese esque area similar to asia that has been isolated for very long time, but was recently rediscovered and opened up by the dwarves (via brann bronzebeard). Thoughts?

Silverwolf

03-10-2007, 10:44 PM

No, pandaren are a joke race <_< interesting idea but it'd never ever happen.

Second

03-10-2007, 10:45 PM

Thoughts? My thoughts are that your idea has been thrown around in such a similar fashion since the release.

StorminNorman

04-10-2007, 01:30 AM

Some new stuff for 2.3...

- The AH has had the maximum time an auction can be listed for increased to 48 hours, with other possible variations being 12 and 24 hours. Deposit prices remain the same.

- You can now ctrl-click a recipe to view the item it would create in the Dressing Room.

- It may be that hunter pet levelling is altered, particularly in regard to large gaps between the pet's level and the hunter's level. This is not yet 100% confirmed for 2.3, however.

- Banish can no longer be cast on targets tapped by players/groups other than the one the Warlock is in.

- Disarm immunity is being removed from the game. All current disarm immunity effects will reduce the disarm time.

- Rogue poison duration increased to 1 hour.

- Players will be able to cast spells "for free" for 5 seconds after being resurrected at a spirit guide in a battleground instance.

- Wizard and Mana oils have had their duration increased.

- New heroic badge loot.

- Dustwallow Marsh to be revamped. A new goblin town, new quests and more to be added.

- 20 and 24 slot quivers to be added.

- Zul'Aman will be on a "short" reset timer (not confirmed, but it will be less than 7 days). It will be a harder instance than Karazhan, and have better loot. There will be six bosses, and the instance is intended to be cleared in one night, possibly even 2-3 hours. There will be no key or attunement. There will be a difficult timed quest, not unlike the one in UD Strath. First boss will be "simple yet challenging". Difficulty of bosses will "start at around Nightbane/Prince and get harder from there".

- ZA will potentially make Karazhan skippable.