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Vindik8or

24-10-2007, 11:04 AM

We all know that 70 is just the beginning.

Sytadel

24-10-2007, 02:21 PM

Yo Vin (or trin?), if you're on later tonight, I need Jagged Talasite and Relentless Earthstorm Diamond cut before my raid. Don't mind tipping.

Also do I have your MSN? Was gonna ask you just now but you logged.

TSplodey

24-10-2007, 02:53 PM

I can do Jagged Talasite you uglyfase. Cant cut RED though.

TrinityJayOne

24-10-2007, 08:21 PM

I don't remember if I have either of those. >_>

FZ-GTX, what ended up happening with your Hunter?

NiB

25-10-2007, 09:02 AM

After not having the slightest Urge to play WoW for just over a week I logged on last night and walked straight into a Guild Raid, downed 3 Kara bosses and was quietly pleased with my efforts. If only some plate dropped I'd be even happier :(

TrinityJayOne

25-10-2007, 02:07 PM

http://members.optusnet.com.au/trinityjayone/wow/Shadumbra.jpg

Its things like this that draw me to the Hunter & Warlock classes (and the micromanagement :D). Yessir I loves me some kiting. I had already done the lv?? hippogryph at this stage, but he's heaps easier cos the guards just pwn him.

WTB some skills for spiders other than bite and growl. :(

TSplodey

25-10-2007, 02:59 PM

Where did you get a Ravager. o.O

And yes Hunters are great OP fun.

TrinityJayOne

25-10-2007, 03:12 PM

Vindik8or

25-10-2007, 04:05 PM

Explain further, GOD! Pink Slips? Secret Mechanic?

NiB

25-10-2007, 04:07 PM

***** Shattered Halls !

It has to be the worst 70 instance in the game, I hate it so very very much and yet its my easiest chance at getting an epic tanking sword (unless KD drops from chess but I haven't been past curator with my guild yet)

Also, Whats the deal with all this halloween stuff, I hear talk about some very attainable epic rings/trinkets and such ?

Vindik8or

25-10-2007, 04:12 PM

Epic tanking sword come from heroic mech?

NiB

25-10-2007, 04:33 PM

Sytadel

25-10-2007, 04:49 PM

Since patch 2.1, a new mechanic was secretly added that allows any two Hunters to duel their pets against each other for pink slips. I challenged Syt to just such a duel, but he was so cocky that he went afk for the duration and had forgotten his pet was on passive.

Except that my pet was buffed with Sytadel's thorns. Long story short, Ravager was a charity pet I gave trin.

Also, you're thepeople? I thought it was just some stranger bugging me with questions. If you're interested in seeing some awesome soloing, check out Dysphoria's videos. In one he, I shit you not, soloed a boss in Heroic Durnholde that has a 45 yard range attack.

Silverwolf

25-10-2007, 05:04 PM

Sun Eater ?!

According to my atlas loot it has a 1-2% drop rate of the final boss. I don't like those odds.

As for this brand new Huntard mechanic...I think a secret underground society needs to be formed where pets can duke it out.

1st rule of Pet Club is you do not talk about Pet Club :P
Dont trust atlasloot droprates.
it drops pretty often, because panthaleon always drops an epic item (and theres only about 5 to choose from) so its really ~20%.
Plus heroic mech is inredibly easy, my rogue can tank the casters...

TrinityJayOne

25-10-2007, 05:04 PM

Is that the one where a female Nelf kites the boss around the outer walls killing him very very slowly with the fire trap? If so, I've seen it and it was very nice. :D

And what do you mean "bugged", I asked you like 2 questions. You make me out as some stalker! :P You wish! >_>

Araenel

25-10-2007, 07:35 PM

So...what are these pink slips?

Bob the Destroyer

25-10-2007, 07:42 PM

yay I has a HoT (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=30619)

TrinityJayOne

26-10-2007, 12:13 AM

So...what are these pink slips?
A pink slip is the document that dictates who is in legal ownership of a motor vehicle, or at least it used to in the US (the slip of paper was pink). These days it's just slang mainly used by street racing culture. To race for pink slips means that you're betting your car instead of money or whatever else. If you lose, the winner gets your car.

Also, it was a joke you simpletons. :P There's low level ravagers in the Draenei starting area.

Also also, drop rates on even good sites like Wowhead aren't always to be trusted, especially for quest items. Anyone who kills that mob without being on the quest and reports no drop is skewing the results.

Vindik8or

26-10-2007, 12:51 AM

Clearly the most obtuse joke ever.

dende d. guardian

26-10-2007, 09:28 AM

i got the joke. geez you nerds need to watch more pop culture movies (ie: fast and the furious)

nerds

Vindik8or

26-10-2007, 10:24 AM

You're probably right. We should consume more American trash in preparation for when we become an official colony of the Empire.

TrinityJayOne

26-10-2007, 12:50 PM

In all honestly I thought the term was fairly common knowledge. :?

Vindik8or

26-10-2007, 01:46 PM

WoW-bound Australian nerds are often heavily entrenched in American street racing lingo. We often 'pwn' them with 'leet' 'micro'.

TrinityJayOne

26-10-2007, 01:57 PM

Geek*. I don't have enough productive motivation to be a nerd.

Breaking news! Neth posted on the forums that, as well as having guards outside Zul'Aman, they've developed a way to make the area immediately surrounding the instance contested, while the rest of the zone remains Horde territory. I don't have a problem with it (provided it doesn't extend far enough to flag lowbies questing), but I don't see why they need to make it contested and have guards. :doh:

Araenel

26-10-2007, 02:39 PM

It is common knowledge, but not that definition.

A pink slip is given to a worker to let them know they're being laid off. (I'm guessing it has a date for the termination of their employment etc)

So given the context you used it in, you should be able to understand the confusion.

Sytadel

26-10-2007, 05:29 PM

I assumed it was related to red cards, like in sport. Maybe pink slips are the red cards of netball >_>

So, Blizzard has announced they're going to be rolling out paid character name changes for $10USD. Now all Moomeowrawr needs is a sex change and s/he'll be golden! It'd also be pretty fun to use someone's account details to change their character's name to something obscenely bad. Oh, oh, or I could change my character's names and start anew without my hard earned, unequivocally positive reputation.

Bob the Destroyer

26-10-2007, 05:47 PM

Thinking about a name change for my hunter, Protoman, since he's my only character without Bob in his name.

Any suggestions?

TSplodey

26-10-2007, 06:38 PM

BulletOBob

Theiffy

26-10-2007, 08:54 PM

Rangerbob/Hawkeyebob/Quickshotbob/Marksmanbob! or.... dun dun dun... Archerbob!

i dunno D:

Just take some names from the hunter talent trees... like Ferociousbob or Swiftbob or Pathfinderbob, it's really quite easy!

Flaps

26-10-2007, 09:04 PM

I just transferred to Frostmourne, but I think the last thing anyone needs is hunters... anyway, drop Arutami a line any time you like.

26-10-2007, 09:15 PM

What is everyones favourite method of knocking the boredom out of levelling a character?

TrinityJayOne

27-10-2007, 12:18 AM

BeastBob.

Araenel

27-10-2007, 12:40 AM

Seeing as everyone is disregarding the idea of leaving bob out of the name:

Bobbobbob

Sytadel

27-10-2007, 12:59 AM

Applebob

Edit: Did Karazhan tonight on my hunter (well a bit; just knocked off early to get sleep before work). Man. Protadins can do some pretty awesome things. The trash up until Maiden passed in the blink of an eye. Check it out:

http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o246/Sytadel/protpally.jpg

Pretty bad night loot wise. Got some leather gloves, but I'll see if I get invited to 25-mans before I stick good gems/enchants one m.

Queenie

27-10-2007, 10:40 AM

What is everyones favourite method of knocking the boredom out of levelling a character?

Group killing spree whilst doing quests. It's specially good and fun for quests that have the req's you must kill X number npcs. Such as war on the shadowsworn. That is fun.

Vindik8or

27-10-2007, 11:24 AM

StorminNorman

27-10-2007, 11:29 AM

What is everyones favourite method of knocking the boredom out of levelling a character?
Waiting for patch 2.3 seems to be the go at the moment.

Theiffy

27-10-2007, 11:44 AM

I didn't think LTCH still did Kara (cept for my group, but that got cancelled last night cause Chaoi finished raiding too late D:<)

He prolly got offended cause you took his job! I tanked deadmines on mini protadin last night with Trin's hunter and he kept just going ahead and taking everything before i got to it (so i decided to just go and agro like a whole room, but Brad was only lvl 13 and couldn't keep me up for that long >_> )

Vindik8or

27-10-2007, 01:25 PM

TSplodey

27-10-2007, 04:18 PM

Im just curious as to how you got into the middle of that room to AoE them all without aggroing.

Vindik8or

27-10-2007, 07:14 PM

You'd aggro them, but you'd bubble, run in cast Holy Wrath, remove the bubble then proceed as normal.

Bob the Destroyer

27-10-2007, 07:45 PM

We'll get you some more gear first Vinny and then you can do stuff like that.

Thanks for all the name suggestions people, I've already got a twink hunter called Shooterbob but Bobbobob really nails the theme so I'll consider it.

Also: Prophet Valen down
http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i256/BobTheDestroyer/Valen.jpg

Vindik8or

27-10-2007, 08:29 PM

Can actually do that stuff in current gear.

Dunkurtin

27-10-2007, 11:56 PM

Well that's the thing, he seemed to take my doing things efficiently as a personal attack impugning his abilities as a tank (and when I accidentally pulled Moroes off him and he couldn't get him back).
Lol this is actually kind of like my new tactic when i get into groups that already have a warrior tank and a healer. I just keep taking over agro until the warrior either gives up or complains. Then i just say obviously I'm a better tank so ditch the board and dps. >_>

Vindik8or

28-10-2007, 01:14 AM

That's just being a dick.

Dunkurtin

28-10-2007, 03:14 AM

Considering half the warrior tanks are actually dps warriors who just want to tank because they dont think paladin's can i really don't care. No one else in the group ever complains and i now have a huge list of people who ask me to tank before anyone else.

Queenie

28-10-2007, 10:24 AM

^^^

haha, so true.

Silverwolf

28-10-2007, 03:29 PM

Whats even better is being an enhancement shaman.
WF crit and you are tanking, forget shocks or even stormstrike!

Also, kael attempts (wipes) tonight! hooray =D

TSplodey

28-10-2007, 04:34 PM

We are working Kael as well. So far we are working on doing P3 cleanly. We've had Kael come out once or twice.

Flaps

28-10-2007, 05:18 PM

Whats even better is being an enhancement shaman.
WF crit and you are tanking, forget shocks or even stormstrike!

Also, kael attempts (wipes) tonight! hooray =D

Heheh I ran out on that Mana Tombs run like 3 minutes after you left

StorminNorman

29-10-2007, 12:40 PM

Considering half the warrior tanks are actually dps warriors who just want to tank because they dont think paladin's can i really don't care.
Or if they're like me, they're forced to tank because they're a warrior and the warrior = tank mentality is still prevalent, especially on tank-starved servers like Jubei'Thos.

Honestly, though, if you ever want to tank instead of me, go right ahead. I honestly don't care because I'm not specced for it.

Sytadel

29-10-2007, 02:41 PM

I think part of the reason for the warrior = tank mentality is as a DPS class, they don't bring a hell of a lot of CC to the table (except offtanking). Elemental/Enhance shamans, balance druids, ret pallies, and so on and so forth always face these problems.

Dunkurtin

29-10-2007, 02:56 PM

That is probably true for a majority of players. Whereas my mentality towards warriors is just basicly that they're gimp. >_>
Probably because i could easily out dps them as ret, now im constantly proving myself to be able to tank better than most of them and i'va always been able to kick their arses in pvp. L2spellcast nubs. :razz:

Araenel

29-10-2007, 03:41 PM

Wow, I guess all those paladins who complain about ret dps just suck!

You should join some raids and show up all those warriors doing 2k dps :P

Sytadel

29-10-2007, 03:56 PM

Wow, I guess all those paladins who complain about ret dps just suck!

You should join some raids and show up all those warriors doing 2k dps :P

2k DPS? Don't tell me between now and last night WoTLK was released and dps warriors got to 80 and collected some Tier 8 gear? :P

Dunkurtin

29-10-2007, 03:56 PM

Araenel

29-10-2007, 04:52 PM

2k DPS? Don't tell me between now and last night WoTLK was released and dps warriors got to 80 and collected some Tier 8 gear? :P

ya ofc

where have you been man

Queenie

29-10-2007, 05:24 PM

I can't imagine how 2k dps either... pray tell how?

Vindik8or

29-10-2007, 06:05 PM

2k DPS? Don't tell me between now and last night WoTLK was released and dps warriors got to 80 and collected some Tier 8 gear? :P
He's talking about - I believe - the trash in the Shade of Akama fight that doesn't aggro, so DPS goes batshit. I watched a video of a Rogue in that fight hitting 4k DPS for that portion, and 2k DPS for the entire boss encounter.

EDIT: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ftfL1YzqQQ

Son of a bitch hit a 2203 white damage crit.

Araenel

29-10-2007, 07:11 PM

Nah I just pulled it from threads I've read on EJ, I can't really be bothered trying to find exactly where it said it. At any rate, even if it's not 2k yet, people are getting damn close when threat isn't an issue.

the whole point was that ret pallies can't do that :P

Second

29-10-2007, 10:53 PM

Look, darling, I know we have a history together. It's been on and off, hell I've got the dates here...
http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e388/Rudaroo/fcc89f63.jpg
We had some good times. Hell, we had some great times, but I just can't devote myself to you. You want so much of my time and I just can't give that to you any more, so this is goodbye. ♥

Dunkurtin

29-10-2007, 11:10 PM

Obligatory you'll be back post.

Second

29-10-2007, 11:28 PM

Whilst the history shows that I likely will, I don't think I will. <_<

Dunkurtin

29-10-2007, 11:35 PM

WoW is like a traditional marriage. It's for life.

Second

29-10-2007, 11:38 PM

WoW is more like a clingy woman... It wants all your time and doesn't want you to spend time elsewhere. :P

TrinityJayOne

29-10-2007, 11:40 PM

I was ret while leveling... >_>

I have no idea how my dps as ret would be at my current level. Though assuming that it continued to rise steadily i think i would still be able to give any warrior a run for his money.
Yeah it didn't. Ret might have been uber when BC first came out, but since then the Ret nerfs have been been & gone; Prot is where its at. Besides, everyone knows Warriors are gear dependant like no other. Also, you always said yourself that these Warrior buddies were scrubs. Being able to out-damage non-70 retards playing the most gear dependant class does not in any way make your DPS awesome. :P

Dunkurtin

30-10-2007, 01:44 AM

Dammit my time ran out and i dont know when i'll be able to get over to get a new game card. Oh well, guess i'll see if i can get the PTR working again if it's still up.

Theiffy

30-10-2007, 02:32 AM

Pfft Hebe could give a mage or rogue a run for his money as Ret. <_<

Silverwolf

30-10-2007, 02:48 AM

Pfft Hebe could give a mage or rogue a run for his money as Ret. <_<

No.
problem is, ret is 'broken'. Its pretty much impossible to effectively dps in a raid enviroment.

Dunkurtin

30-10-2007, 03:39 AM

How many of you have actually bothered to ever just search ret dps or pally dps on youtube? There are ret pallies out there who do decent dps and they're getting a nice buff with the next patch. Better get used to seeing more ret pallies imo.

Silverwolf

30-10-2007, 03:56 AM

Vindik8or

30-10-2007, 12:14 PM

I can see a good Ret Pally beating out a retard Rogue in DPS, but never a good Rogue - it shouldn't be possible.

Sytadel

30-10-2007, 01:28 PM

I figure I'll weigh in since everyone knows I'm the most experienced and well-read raider on the forums.

A good Ret paladin does about 70-80% the DPS of a rogue. Well geared (T6 or a bit below) Ret paladins can pull off up to about 1,000 DPS, which is roughly equal to what a T5 rogue can do on a "sit here and DPS" fight like Void Reaver.

The main issue Paladins currently (2.2) face isn't actually to do with their DPS, but with the threat cap. All the other comparable melee classes do have innate threat reduction Rogues (29%), Enhancement Shamans (15%, talented), and Feral Druids (unsure). Fury warriors don't, but then again they face the same issue Paladins do. I think they may have some minor threat reduction but I'm not sure. So basically, a Paladin can do 70-80% the DPS of a rogue but won't actually get that high because he'll be at risk of overtaking the MT in threat.

Now, in 2.3 Paladins are getting innate threat talent so they will be able to reach their damage cap without fear. The issue then is whether or not what they bring justifies the 20% DPS loss. They are typically not considered as useful as the other hybrids, as many of the buffs they bring (Crusader strike and Sanctified crusader) rely on the raid attacking the same target as the paladin. Comparably, a feral druid's aura and an enh. shaman's AP buff just require the player to be attacking anything. A Ret Paladin's use plummets on fights like Vashj, Kael (pre ph4), Solarian, Al'ar...

I think a Ret pally has a place in raids if you run a healer setup including 2 paladins, and you don't bring a prot paladin. In this instance, the Ret paladin is useful because they provide a third blessing. Retadins are also useful mostly in, believe it or not, Hyjal/BT where many fights are single-target and thus maximum use can be gotten from the Ret Paladin's raid buffs. So: Have a holy/prot paladin respec at the end of Tier 5 content.

Anyone who disagrees with me is wrong.

Vindik8or

30-10-2007, 01:40 PM

A lot of Holy Paladins in Static are gearing up in anticipation of 2.3. I give it about a week of no boss kills before most of them crawl back to a useful spec.

Araenel

30-10-2007, 01:59 PM

I'm faaairly sure zerker stance has a threat reduction attached to it, nothing major, 5-10% or something.

Theiffy

30-10-2007, 02:08 PM

But he wasnt up against crappy mages and rogues, he was beating one of our top mages in dps. And he is certainly not crap. o.O He's got top notch ret gear and knows how to play very well (he's got top notch healer and prot gear too, so he knows how to utilize a paladin in all aspects)

Sytadel

30-10-2007, 02:16 PM

Yeah, that sounds about right teegs.

Mages have a large DPS issue at the moment, they're yet another class with issues. They're actually some of the worst DPS in the game; Hunters are king of ranged DPS at the moment and Warlocks are king of AoE, so mages have lost their niche a bit.

Lets not forget that mages are also ranged, meaning they're more versatile, less likely to take encounter-based damage, able to target switch with greater ease, useful on AoE fights, have a higher threat cap, can sheep on trash and certain boss encounters, etc. That Hebe did the same amount of damage as a versatile class with DPS issues on a particular fight doesn't say much. Ret Paladins should be compared to their melee-hybrid counterparts like Enh. Shamans and Feral Druids and there is much more to be considered in evaluating a class/player than where they rank on the meters.

Theiffy

30-10-2007, 02:57 PM

But what you're all saying is that a ret pally should *never* beat a mage/rogue/whatever in dps cause they're just so crap at dpsing! So in theory that includes mages too.

You say mages are gimped but if you pair an average PUG mage and ret paladin together in some instance like SV, you'll know that the mage will win, ret only really carries itself if you have the gear/know how for it. Despite being "gimped" mages can still do damage with good gear or with average gear, definitely moreso than the average ret paladin.

The mage in LTCH which i speak of usually tops damage metres before everyone else, he's usually very hard to beat, which is why Hebe being able to beat him was significant.

Araenel

30-10-2007, 03:06 PM

A ret pally should never be able to beat a mage/rogue/whatever because they're a hybrid class, they have other utilities apart from dps. If they can do more dps than rogues/dps warriors then what's the point of bringing them?

It comes down to balance that's all.

Sytadel

30-10-2007, 04:03 PM

What fight was this on, Teegs, and do you have damage meters?

More posting when I get home!

Theiffy

30-10-2007, 04:26 PM

Stormyau

30-10-2007, 05:03 PM

****ing hell...

Clift

30-10-2007, 05:03 PM

Remove the Ret tree completely and give Pally's a HoT :razz: (I play a Pally for those who don't know).

Also, Syt, Druid's innate threat reduction in Cat is about 20% I believe... Speaking of which, mine broke 20k AC last night :D

Sytadel

30-10-2007, 06:37 PM

Don't remember and everyone was making fun of Hebe for speccing ret for the day and dpsing but then he came first on the dmg metres and told everyone i told you so etc.

I wasnt specifically in the raid, just paying attention to gchat and Hebe pwning everyone arse. >_>

Err, now you're getting your stories mixed.

My understanding is Hebe topped the best mage on a particular fight. This mage tops DPS on other fights; presumably AoE ones. This particular mage was beaten by Hebe on some other fight that is, assumedly, a single-target fight. You never said Hebe 'topped meters' until now, only that he beat a top mage.

This kind of reasoning is like me bragging about beating a friend on a Math's test, and this particular friend also tops English. I therefore infer I'm also good at English. This is bad/stupid reasoning. I'm pretty good at Maths and nothing could be said about how good I am at English.

Also;

But what you're all saying is that a ret pally should *never* beat a mage/rogue/whatever in dps cause they're just so crap at dpsing! So in theory that includes mages too.

No, I said a Paladin should never beat a rogue. Rogues are legitamitely the only pure-dps class in the game, bringing near-zero utility. They're also a heavy liability in terms of healing recieved and in some situations they cannot get a mob due to it's abilities.

Mages, in contrast, bring AoE, crowd control, and have less healing liability due to being a ranged class. Paladins similarly bring Crusader strike, the sanctified crusader talent, and improved sanctity aura. So if they do similar in damage (not unheard of), then it's a matter of deciding what brings the most in terms of non-damage.

---

Now blah blah I've been making these arguments from the start and you've largely ignored them, so to appeal to your sense of reason (whatever that is) - consider this. Hebe specced Ret for one day. On farm content. For fun. The other umpteen million raids he's been Holy, or maybe Prot. On cutting edge content where numbers matter, he's Holy. If he was so damn useful as Ret he'd probably stay it full-time. But he's not. So... he's holy. Tell me when this is hammered in.

So why isn't Ret useful? Full-circle, as I mentioned earlier: Lower dps, threat cap, and paladin utility only being useful on single-target fights.

Silverwolf

30-10-2007, 07:41 PM

Yeah syt wins already.
ret sux.

:P

Queenie

30-10-2007, 08:09 PM

if nothing else, mages can sheep and that alone makes them useful.

Theiffy

30-10-2007, 10:37 PM

No i said at the start he beat mages/rogues/whatever, to which vin replied "the rogues must be crap then blah blah" i used the mage in my guild as an example because he's hard to beat in any fight because well.. he's a GOOD player!

MY GOD i never said ret was useful, it's not, i'm just saying it's possible for a well geared ret paladin to do well on dps charts. I NEVER EVER SAID RET IS USEFUL EVER. Thats all. Do i need to repeat myself for the ****ing 100th time?

Araenel

30-10-2007, 10:52 PM

Sytadel

30-10-2007, 11:52 PM

So Syt's essay was essentially useless since nothing was in dispute in the first place.

Actually it was useful in getting teegs to backpedal >_>

study? no u

Araenel

31-10-2007, 12:18 AM

Rofl where was the backpedalling? >_>

I think you're trying to gain a semantic victory over what is included in 'topping meters': the whole raid or a single/couple of instances :P

in before you play the boyfriend card because i know you will >_> you just like finding arguments where there are none lols

Sytadel

31-10-2007, 12:32 AM

in before you play the boyfriend card because i know you will >_> you just like finding arguments where there are none lols

jeez when have i played the boyfriend card

in before you remind me of times i played the boyfriend card

StorminNorman

31-10-2007, 12:56 AM

I'm faaairly sure zerker stance has a threat reduction attached to it, nothing major, 5-10% or something.

20%, increased to 30% with Imp Zerker in 2.3.

TrinityJayOne

31-10-2007, 01:08 AM

in before you play the boyfriend card because i know you will >_> you just like finding arguments where there are none lols
Hey hey hey, there's no need to get Tau involved! >_>

Theiffy

31-10-2007, 01:10 AM

There's no boyfriend card involved since you're not my boyfriend and Tau is!

Sytadel

31-10-2007, 01:31 AM

Man I'm dating tau too!

guybrush more like guythrush from all the unprotected sexual intercourse !

Theiffy

31-10-2007, 01:34 AM

or... guyCRUSH from all this gay sex! o.O

Silverwolf

31-10-2007, 01:51 AM

I think you mean Gaybrush :P as long as he makes up for my poor 2v2 performance i dont care what he does =D

dende d. guardian

31-10-2007, 01:52 AM

or maybe guymandude

because he's cool

>.>

Sytadel

31-10-2007, 02:22 AM

I think you mean Gaybrush :P as long as he makes up for my poor 2v2 performance i dont care what he does =D

Hey man, don't talk yourself down. Get Kael's mace, save some points for the S3 offhand, get a bit more skill, and we'll rock our way to 2k next season!

Silverwolf

31-10-2007, 03:02 AM

I plan to bid on the mace if it drops, IF we down kael :P
As for skill, we'll see... =)

Theiffy

31-10-2007, 03:07 AM

You know Syt, you were sposed to WHITE OUT that skill bit! <_<

Sytadel

31-10-2007, 03:22 AM

Ok I'll go fix it!

I actually won't. Like I care what you think. Wait... shit.

TSplodey

31-10-2007, 10:10 AM

Speaking of Kael...

Kael down!

Cockblock indeed. While I realise things did change a bit when they nerfed P1 advisors health, I could not imagine myself struggling at the end of that fight if I did it the harder way. Although I wasnt there for the kill ( :( ) I have done him down to 30%, the night before. Its a great fight that I thoroughly enjoyed.

StorminNorman

31-10-2007, 12:39 PM

Grats!

I really need to start raiding.

Anyone know where to find some decent swords at level 70 without raiding or PvPing or being Aldor?

Sytadel

31-10-2007, 01:06 PM

Grats splodey/GT! I know Shidavere is all emo about your kill, talk about fast pace. Did you guys AoE or assist down the weapons? What were the major challenges you faced in learning the encounter?

Anyone know where to find some decent swords at level 70 without raiding or PvPing or being Aldor?

Geez those are some limitaitons :P

Get Latro's as your OH, for your MH you could try and get a Blinkstrike off the AH. Otherwise the next bext option is Edge of the Cosmos from Mech, afaik there are no pre-raid epic MH swords.

Theiffy

31-10-2007, 02:30 PM

Yeah, there's not many options if you don't go Aldor (raiding and pvp i don't do that much, but every good swordie goes aldor) :P

Silverwolf

31-10-2007, 02:38 PM

Either that or get Latro's for your Offhand and get something like Reflex Blades (from arcatraz) mainhand. I imagine it would be better than edge of the cosmos since they are 2.7 speed and edge is 2.6, using fist/sword spec of course (which is just as good IF NOT BETTER).

And tsplodey when did they nerf the advisors health? I know that in 2.3 all advisors and weapons are having their HP reduced by 10% but nothing before that.

Stormyau

31-10-2007, 06:31 PM

Shower Hydrate, Tauren Druid with presents.

Araenel

31-10-2007, 06:34 PM

lmao wb

just can't stay away!

Stormyau

31-10-2007, 06:35 PM

I lasted a month or two. D:

Second

31-10-2007, 06:58 PM

On Frosty?

Stormyau

31-10-2007, 07:09 PM

Frosty, yeah.

Second

31-10-2007, 08:23 PM

Be well and Wealthy then, my son.

There we go. All characters cleared and deleted, with a nice bonus for Stormyau for helping me clear them. ;)

Stormyau

31-10-2007, 08:26 PM

This just in; Ruda is awesome.

Second

31-10-2007, 08:51 PM

In bed.

StorminNorman

31-10-2007, 09:05 PM

Ruda's quitting at the wrong time. See, Blizzard have finally let Horde and Alliance raid together. (http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=2512090604&sid=1&pageNo=1)

Geez those are some limitaitons
Yeah, mainly what I'm after is stuff I can get while I'm getting dungeon gear and whatnot. WoW PvP bores the crap out of me, and I don't have gear to get raiding just yet.

Get Latro's as your OH, for your MH you could try and get a Blinkstrike off the AH. Otherwise the next bext option is Edge of the Cosmos from Mech, afaik there are no pre-raid epic MH swords.

Blinkstrike tends to go for about 2K on J'T, so while it's a possibility, the cost may be more than it's actually worth. If it drops for me, though, I'd definitely go for it. I knew about Latro's (and have every intention of getting it), but I didn't know about Edge of the Cosmos, thanks.

Silverwolf

31-10-2007, 11:06 PM

Read my post ffs. :P

StorminNorman

31-10-2007, 11:20 PM

I missed it on my first pass. Thanks!

Also, hilariously-named hunter of the day. (http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Jubei%27Thos&n=Druidmage)

Sytadel

31-10-2007, 11:58 PM

Yeah, mainly what I'm after is stuff I can get while I'm getting dungeon gear and whatnot. WoW PvP bores the crap out of me, and I don't have gear to get raiding just yet.

Arena remains to be my absolute bread and butter, it's the #1 thing I look forward to when logging on.

http://www.wowarmory.com/images/badge-border-pvp-bronze-large.gif

On that, my 3v3 team cracked the big 2,000 today meaning I'm now part of a handful of Druids on the server who'll have the option of running around with their Tier 6 shoulders when season 3 hits.

Queenie

01-11-2007, 12:37 AM

just a question, but what's the highest health anyone's ever heard of?

I'm sure it's either on a warrior or (most likely) bear druid.

Saw 18884 on a Tauren Warrior. Kungen. I figured I'd check out the leader of Nihilum's stats.

Vindik8or

01-11-2007, 12:41 AM

One of my guildies hit 27000 (Tauren Warrior) temporarily. I assume Druids can get higher.

Sytadel

01-11-2007, 01:35 AM

As far as base HP goes, I think Tauren Warriors would probably top - Druids have more/bigger stam boosts, but Warriors tend to need it more and itemise for it more. Warriors can definetly hit higher on a temporary basis due to last stand.

tau

01-11-2007, 03:38 AM

http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o226/kharmaa/ImBurned.jpg

TSplodey

01-11-2007, 03:45 AM

Grats splodey/GT! I know Shidavere is all emo about your kill, talk about fast pace. Did you guys AoE or assist down the weapons? What were the major challenges you faced in learning the encounter?

Haha yeah we got him down in what, 5 days? For the weapons we assisted them. The order was something like nuke the crap out of the bow, then mace, then staff, then sword, then dagger, then axe, then do the Shield during P3.

One of our bigger problems was keeping people alive for P4, and sorting out what to do with the phoenixes, but once those were sorted he was a piece of cake!

Silverwolf

01-11-2007, 04:37 AM

Lol tau thats classic.
HAMMER OF JUSTICE!

Decent kael attempts tonight, we are getting into phase 4 reasonably smoothly but we are having the same problem as tsplodey and people keep dying.

EDIT: holy crap, my Enhancement shaman/MS Warrior combo beat a warrior/pally combo, how the hell did that happen!? :P

Sytadel

01-11-2007, 12:55 PM

EDIT: holy crap, my Enhancement shaman/MS Warrior combo beat a warrior/pally combo, how the hell did that happen!? :P

Undergeared warrior, purged BoP? :P

Araenel

01-11-2007, 01:38 PM

http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o226/kharmaa/ImBurned.jpg

I totally believe that is 100% completely real. Yeah.

dende d. guardian

01-11-2007, 03:16 PM

personally i'd like to know what about his language that was so vulgar :P

also, the teachers initials "GM"

"OH NOES THE GM's ARE BANNING ME!!!!!"

Theiffy

01-11-2007, 03:21 PM

That's soooo fake!

Sif Paladins can one shot people!

NiB

01-11-2007, 04:20 PM

Got my first ever epic items last night :D

Managed to snag the tanking belt from Moroes and the neck from Maiden.

Also now honored with VE so picked up the epic quest ring.

Now I understand how ppl get so hooked on raiding, I fear I may become a total loot whore and my social life will evaporate.

Queenie

01-11-2007, 05:29 PM

Is there any stuff worthwhile with the Scryers?

by stuff, I mean warrior useful things or any enchanting type things.

That Aldor tanking sword could be useful for the first few raids.

NiB

01-11-2007, 05:59 PM

Is there any stuff worthwhile with the Scryers?

by stuff, I mean warrior useful things or any enchanting type things.

That Aldor tanking sword could be useful for the first few raids.

The Aldor Sword is NO good for tanking...anything with a speed above 2.0 is just not gonna build threat fast enough.

There's 2-3 excellent blue tanking weapons b4 you either:
- Get exalted with HH
- get sun eater from H Mech
- get the KD from chess event in Kara

or if your a weaponsmith you can make yourself a fast 1h sword that would be good for it

Clift

01-11-2007, 06:01 PM

Highest I've ever seen was a warrior in AV with 23k with only Fort, dunno what it would've been without it... Either way, his gear was hawt and he could not die! :razz:

Sytadel

01-11-2007, 09:33 PM

From Artemis' thread, because I didn't want to derail it:

deep PvP that is actually balanced and relies on more than who gets the first attack in,

No offense Stormin but have you even PvPed at all in the last year!? I don't just mean Arena/BGs either, even world PvP - while obviously still based on opportunism - allows a person to come back quite easily. Especially since you play a rogue, you should be able to shake off someone getting on you long enough to bugger off, bandage, then find them and tear them a new one. Obviously there's no measures to stop random mages pyroing you at 50%, but I find those sorts of brutal gankings are quite rare these days.

And even if someone does get on it's so easy to CC -> run -> mount.

In sum gtfo my game

tau

01-11-2007, 10:19 PM

I totally believe that is 100% completely real. Yeah.

Doesn't remove the insanely hilarious He then punched a boy in the mouth and yelled 'Hammer of Justice!'

Araenel

01-11-2007, 10:28 PM

Doesn't remove the insanely hilarious He then punched a boy in the mouth and yelled 'Hammer of Justice!'

It does if it's not real...

tau

01-11-2007, 11:14 PM

needs moar imaginations!

Theiffy

02-11-2007, 05:02 PM

I respecced my warrior fury from arms and i find lvling alot easier and more enjoyable! Cept i think playing a female tauren makes me a target of every pretty cliche night elf hunter :'(

THEY WISH THEY WERE AS HOT AND AS ORGINAL!

<_<

Queenie

02-11-2007, 05:25 PM

But it's harder to find 2 really awesome 1h weapons than 1 awesome 2h wep, isn't it?

Bob the Destroyer

03-11-2007, 12:33 PM

Na not at 67ish which is where Mira is at. Few ok quest rewards from Nagrand and instances but hit rating is the toughest part.

In a related matter, my hunter is nearly 51 and I have to decide if I should get the Ice Barbed Spear or stick with Warmonger (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=13052). The hit rating at that level makes a huge difference but getting closer to 60 and getting less use out of.

Vindik8or

03-11-2007, 12:40 PM

Dirkage

03-11-2007, 12:53 PM

I'm debating whether or not to buy a game card. On one hand, I have exams soon, I can just buy it after they're over, but on the other hand I'm really bored and WoW will make me feel like I'm doing something even though I'll still be bored

Surgeon.

03-11-2007, 01:46 PM

Bob the Destroyer

03-11-2007, 01:56 PM

Where have you been? Static has gone to hell in a handbasket while you were not playing. I'm not liking how it's all looking (paying DKP for Kara items?!?!), and people high up are showing an extreme ignorance of other classes and gear.

Yeah I've been working late shift and usually only log onto my alts when that happens.

Basically we aren't getting good enough people for 25 mans, everyone is bored of Kara and dont want to run it to gear up nubs with no skill and want easy loot.

Dunno, Themos going to orgainise some shit but to be honest, kinda getting sick of raiding so I might drop out for awhile unless we can get stuff done again.

StorminNorman

03-11-2007, 01:56 PM

No offense Stormin but have you even PvPed at all in the last year!?
I actively avoid PvP. Blizzard have never, can never and will never be able to balance it properly as long as they maintain their retarded "PvP is not balanced around 1v1" mantra.

Look at Guild Wars for real, properly-balanced PvP that relies on a player actually having skill and ability rather than random luck.

but I find those sorts of brutal gankings are quite rare these days.

You don't play on a server where the entire Horde faction are a pack of burning arseholes.

And even if someone does get on it's so easy to CC -> run -> mount.

As a rogue, I generally just vanish out of the way unless I think I can win. That said, I can count the times I've won a "fair" PvP battle on less than one hand.

In sum gtfo my game
No. WoW is a PvE game with PvP hacked on. Its status as an "e-sport" is a joke.

Sytadel

03-11-2007, 07:42 PM

Blizzard have never, can never and will never be able to balance it properly as long as they maintain their retarded "PvP is not balanced around 1v1" mantra.

Do you mean they'll never be able to balance 1v1 PvP if they're not focusing on 1v1 PvP, or do you mean that balanced 1v1 PvP is a pre-requisite to group PvP?

...relies on a player actually having skill and ability rather than random luck.

I think you're confusing luck and opportunitism. World PvP is opportunitism, attacking a vulnerable person in an unfair situation.

PvP, now, is Arena and to a lesser extent Battlegrounds. Battlegrounds are to Arena what 5-mans are to raids; supportive content not demanding of strict balance, so I'll not go in to that further.

To say Arenas don't require skill and ability is a bit sillier. That's not to say skill and ability entirely dictate outcome, but given skill/ability and even a passable group makeup, any team can make 1850+. Given skill/ability and a strong group makeup, 2,250+. Above 2250, luck plays a much larger role and the game is somewhat uglier at that point. Mace stun, fear out of LOS, rock/paper/scissors makeup all determine matches. But unless you're at 2,250+, you have nothing to blame but your own decisions and ability for your position in the rankings.

Your dismissing of "PvP" on the basis of world gankings (presumably, by the arguments you've presented) is like me dismissing raiding on the pretense of the length of the Netherwing grind. Not only is the Netherwing grind only vaguely representative of PvE, it's entirely avoidable (as is gankings: PvE servers).

Theiffy

03-11-2007, 09:35 PM

Tier 4 helmness woo! Now i look like a duckface!
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v429/Theiffy/teeglesquack.jpg

Vin, i need some gems made up kgo D:

Edit: i just mailed them to ya!

Queenie

03-11-2007, 10:06 PM

57 tonight... and... I just realised that I haven't actually bought the Expansion yet. I could download it, but I'm a big fan of packages. *chuckle* That sounds so gay.

But on the upside, I can buy some awesome OL gear and start farming places so I can do hell good in pvp and the like.

But I've been in a few AV battles now- Why can't they increase the number of marks of honor you get from that place? A battle there can take up to 4 hours, many times, and it's really time consuming. They should change it to 10:3 for AV.

StorminNorman

03-11-2007, 11:29 PM

Do you mean they'll never be able to balance 1v1 PvP if they're not focusing on 1v1 PvP, or do you mean that balanced 1v1 PvP is a pre-requisite to group PvP?

The latter. Resolving the 1v1 case will significantly improve the NvN case.

To say Arenas don't require skill and ability is a bit sillier.

No it isn't. WoW is a game that takes very little skill to play anyway. Its PvP reflects this. The whole system is designed around not needing skill to play.

It's all about how long you can take control away from the other player through stuns/fears/crowd control effects while continually doing damage to them.

It is not fun to play a game where you can be locked out of moving your character for 10-15 seconds while another player is able to do between 50% and 100% damage to you. The longest a character should be locked out of ANY action should be 3-4 seconds.

Your dismissing of "PvP" on the basis of world gankings (presumably, by the arguments you've presented) is like me dismissing raiding on the pretense of the length of the Netherwing grind. Not only is the Netherwing grind only vaguely representative of PvE, it's entirely avoidable (as is gankings: PvE servers).
I'm actually dismissing PvP based primarily on battleground experience. Arenas don't interest me much as they seem like a poor man's Guild Wars. PvP in general doesn't interest me, and if it weren't for most of my friends playing on PvP servers, I wouldn't even play on pvp servers.

If I want to PvP, I play Guild Wars.

Araenel

04-11-2007, 12:45 AM

So you're dismissing something based on what it seems like, instead of what it actually is. K.

tau

04-11-2007, 12:50 AM

Well shit, i screwed up a post edit and now this one is gone.

Something about it being funny how stormin is yet to actually try arena

StorminNorman

04-11-2007, 03:08 AM

TSplodey

04-11-2007, 03:45 AM

Finished my Furies Deck tonight. Bring on the Darkmoon Faire!

Silverwolf

04-11-2007, 03:57 AM

Got my new pc and WoW is installing now!
It will be nice to be able to raid above 10 fps =) plus it will be extra pretty too! :D
can't wait

Araenel

04-11-2007, 04:21 AM

No you do have a point, if you're still playing pre-BC WoW :P

At any rate, it's hard to take you seriously when you've just ignored the strongest aspect of pvp in WoW now.

tau

04-11-2007, 05:07 AM

The funny part is you guys being so upset when someone makes a point about WoW PvP other than "Arenas r fun lol".

Surely you're not referring to me! ^_________________^

I'm actually dismissing PvP based primarily on battleground experience. Arenas don't interest me much as they seem like a poor man's Guild Wars. PvP in general doesn't interest me, and if it weren't for most of my friends playing on PvP servers, I wouldn't even play on pvp servers.

If I want to PvP, I play Guild Wars.

Fair enough that PvP doesn't interest you, and it is true that not having control for the stupid amount of time ccs can throw you out for is frustrating. But you're basing your opinion around battlegrounds. People who wanted to PvP before arenas came out were generally either incredibly bored with PvP Battlegrounds or were happy that they could substitute sitting there for unholy amounts of time for any semblance of skill. The former rejoiced when arena came around, since it really is quite different.

Sure there's some annoying achilles heel teams you'll face that you have almost no chance of beating, but on the whole Arena gives WoW PvP quite an entertaining, challenging and fun environment for PvP. To dismiss it simply because of how bad Battlegrounds really are (They're horrible) is unfortunate though.

CoolzInferno

04-11-2007, 06:30 AM

The funny part is you guys being so upset when someone makes a point about WoW PvP other than "Arenas r fun lol".

Nothing I've said is not based on personal experiences from actually doing PvP in WoW. Just because what I experience and what you experience do not match up (and do not provide the same feeling of "fun" in the player) doesn't mean one of us is wrong.

You're welcome to enjoy PvP. I personally like being able to interact with my character, but that's just me. :P

Well despite the fact I've been off WoW for about 3 months, being rather bored and trawling through the past few pages, I thought I'd just weigh in on this point of WoW PvP from the experience I had as a 70 Warlock way back in the days of yore.

Likening World 1v1 PvP and Battlegrounds to Arena PvP would be akin to comparing fighting game scrubs who button mash randomly and hope for something good to happen with players who actually have some degree of knowledge over the game engine and, to use a horrible cliche in the wake of my inability to otherwise describe it, know when to hold 'em and when to fold 'em. Like comparing a cluster**** schoolyard soccer match where a bunch of braindead idiots are all trying to boot the ball up the field compared to a Premier League match. The two are very, very different beasts.

World PvP as Syt has mentioned is primarily opportunism and really, the soccer analogy describes Battlegrounds extremely well in my opinion/experiences. Everyone is solely out for themselves, with little to no real thought process bar "ME NUKE YOU! YOU DIE!" like the large bulky kid that shoves you out of the way or "I'm going to AFK and farm honor without doing anything" like the girls who stand around gossiping and not really doing anything other than screaming and cowering in fear if a ball comes near them. No-one really cares whats going on as long as those little honor points keep flowing in, you get the occasional person who tries to get some thought going but he's either ignored or horribly misguided with his suggestions in the first place.

Unlike the insanity of Battlegrounds, Arena teams actually require strategy and ability to succeed. For example, in my Warlock/Mage team, depending on whoever you were facing you'd have to vary your tactics. Who do you CC first? When do you drop your cooldowns? Do you focus fire the Warrior who's beating you down or the Paladin healing him? Chase after the solitary hunter most likely in to a Frost Trap or stay put knowing there's probably a rogue about to Sap you? There's a great deal of strategy involved in knowing what the optimum sequence of moves will be to put your opponent on the backfoot while simultaneously avoiding the same thing happening to you. Things that really aren't important or thought about in BGs become paramount to victory. Whether you take the high path on that arena with the bridge, whether you come out to the enemy or hide behind a pillar hopefully out of LoS.

Just to slap some random buzzword out there to conclude what is arguably a poor post reinstating whatever has previously been said but with crappier analogies, metagame. Battlegrounds don't involve much of it you can fly in with little or no thought, blast something or fail miserably and still succeed in a roundabout way. In the same way that you'd need to strategize and min-max for a PvE Raid, you also need to do the same thing for a PvP Arena. Plan for common situations, adapt if those situations screw up. Fail miserably if you don't. While you are entitled to your opinion, dismissing what is arguably the pinnacle of WoW PvP without ever truly experiencing it would be like playing Guitar Hero on Easy and dismissing it as being skill-less, boring and too easy without ever playing it on anything harder. [/shitanalogies]

Why do I feel that Sirens' Call luring me back to the foul clutches of the beast known as WoW? WHY!?

StorminNorman

04-11-2007, 12:12 PM

Here's a question:

Arena PvP seems to me to be a very deliberate attempt to incorporate Guild Wars-style PvP into WoW. How well do you guys believe Blizzard have succeeded in doing this?

Or, more simply, how well does Arena PvP measure up to Guild Wars PvP?

I think if you can answer that, then you might be able to understand why I don't like arenas in WoW.

Queenie

04-11-2007, 12:33 PM

I wonder what the ideal pvp 2v2 team would be.

ideas?

StorminNorman

04-11-2007, 01:01 PM

Isn't it Warrior/Paladin?

Sytadel

04-11-2007, 01:10 PM

It was a few months ago, about mid-season 1. Towards the end of season 1, and through most of season 2, Druid/Warlock and Druid/Warrior both occupy most top-end teams. At 2,400-2,500+ this is all you see.

Queenie

04-11-2007, 02:35 PM

ahh yes, because the druids would have the very handy "get out of effects which affect control of your character via shapeshift" thing, wouldn't they!

Theiffy

04-11-2007, 02:53 PM

Personally i hate pvp due to australian ping. ><

I've been in so many fights where ive been way up in someones face and it would say im too far away to stun or id have someone still be able to hit me from miles away. D:

I think Americans would prolly get the full advantage of pvp

Sytadel

04-11-2007, 03:51 PM

You kinda get used to it. Combat daggers rogues in pvp are pretty lol though (mind you this is true even in the US)

TrinityJayOne

04-11-2007, 04:09 PM

ahh yes, because the druids would have the very handy "get out of effects which affect control of your character via shapeshift" thing, wouldn't they!
Only snares and polymorph. It doesn't break stuns, fear, banish/cyclone/freeze trap etc..

Also, it's because a Resto Druid (unless they're one of those bastard Dreamstate builds :P) mostly use HoTs, which keep healing when LoS is broken or the Druid is CC'd.

dende d. guardian

04-11-2007, 06:11 PM

does anyone know how much data is transferred to and from the gameserver for an hour of play?

TrinityJayOne

04-11-2007, 06:18 PM

Not much, typically no more than an IM client, ie 56k can handle it. The more people are around though, the more it uses.

StorminNorman

04-11-2007, 06:28 PM

FX-GTZ

04-11-2007, 07:00 PM

WoW also handles high-latency situations a lot better than other games, too. (Guild Wars, for example, will "jump" you back to where the server thought you should be if there's some packet loss or network issues.)
Yeah everyone hates that jump back shit, anyway.. Enjoy this pic i took while getting the shit shined out of me:
http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/7228/wowscrnshot101407124621zg2.jpg

Second

04-11-2007, 08:11 PM

In this party, we discuss top secret issues that we cannot share with the rest of the internet.

Seriously, if it's so much of an issue, just remove the crap (Alt+Z from memory) before taking pics.

tau

04-11-2007, 09:14 PM

FX-whatever, just turn off full screen glow effect and stop bitching.

Sytadel

04-11-2007, 09:24 PM

So I just hopped on and tried to get to the bottom of this.

To [Weirdshades]: so what were you and xjokoz talking about on your way to bfd?
From [Weirdshades]: LOL yeh anal leakage can be a problem
From [Weirdshades]: huh
From [Weirdshades]: **** OFF

StorminNorman

04-11-2007, 10:21 PM

Hahaha.

In unrelated news, Hemo is being normalised to 2.4/2.6 speed.

Apparently this is leading to some pretty nice hemo crits. (http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/9020/hemo9kio5.jpg)

Spazzallo

04-11-2007, 10:29 PM

I've never really understood how hemo works, can somebody please explain it to me? And how the changes now effect it? I've never even put a point in sublety before, but with the new Cheat Death changes Sublety might actually be semi-decent come next patch.

Stormyau

04-11-2007, 10:34 PM

Syt, isn't that the name of FXGTZ's hunter?

StorminNorman

04-11-2007, 10:55 PM

I've never really understood how hemo works, can somebody please explain it to me?
In its current form, Hemo does X damage (the tooltip doesn't specify but I think it's 100% MH damage) and adds a 30-stack debuff that causes the target to take additional physical damage from all sources. It used to be that having a hemo rogue in your raid could significantly improve raid DPS.

The new hemo does 125% weapon damage, with the normalisation for daggers at 2.4 seconds and swords at 2.6 seconds.

Normalising it means it's now useful with fast weapons, and the additional damage (plus I think they altered the way the debuff works) massively boosts its overall DPS.

If you're going to go deep into subtlety, hemo is likely going to become your sinister strike again.

Cheat Death changes Sublety might actually be semi-decent come next patch.

Asuming that the current damage it can do is a bug, then I wouldn't expect too many rogues to spec hemo come 2.3.

On the other hand, if hemo goes live in its current state, then Subtlety is the new Combat.

Some more changes from the build that went live yesterday:

- Hunters get a new, much cooler, Volley animation
- Taunt, and the Druid and Paladin equivalents thereof, are now affected by hit rating.
- Ignite no longer procs off Molten Armour.
- Focused Will (the new Priest discipline talent) has changed again, this time offering a damage reduction and an increase to healing taken, stacking up to 3 times. This may be its final form.
- Druid Natural Perfection talent receives a similar change
- The invisible gas clouds in Netherstorm are now visible.

tau

04-11-2007, 10:58 PM

normalisation has never meant instant attacks are good with fast weapons. It's just not as shit as it used to be.

Queenie

05-11-2007, 12:39 AM

- The invisible gas clouds in Netherstorm are now visible.

tee hee hee.

idk why I found that funny.

I pvp'd again today (with new BC sword in tow), and significantly owned many people in 1v1 duels. We still lost, obv, but I racked up as no.3 overall on the damage meter (behind an alliance mage, and a horde rogue)

felt pleased with myself. Particularly so with the new wep, which crits roughly 700-1200 on a normal attack, which is quite a bit at lvl 57

GT_Racer

05-11-2007, 11:41 AM

Hi all thought it was about time I stuck my head in again, Croissant Crusaders are progressing nicely and downed Shade last night for the first time (only because I wasn't there to wipe the raid).

I finally got a Kara epic the other day (bracers off attumen) and I finally got my epic flyer. 2.5 weeks of solid farming got me the last 2300g.

Our team 2 starts Kara on Wednesday and I'll be OT, OT is so much more fun.

I am now back to protection so you can all start with the "wanna tank X instance" spams again.

Was a laugh yesterday, did SM GY on my 36 hunter with some guildies, was the first instance I've done on any alt. Totally owned and I had to laugh after killing the boss, it was like. "Was that a boss?"

NiB

05-11-2007, 03:22 PM

The curse of Heroic Mech.

There's plenty of runs to be ahd but everyone wants to piss off after the "3 free badges" leaving my ambitions of getting the Sun Eater in a heap.

LFG Full H mech run !!!

Sytadel

05-11-2007, 04:09 PM

Lordage

05-11-2007, 06:55 PM

So I'm in a predicament... I wan't to reinstall WoW and pick up BC... But I'm afraid that if I do life/GF/work will take a back seat again... WHAT DO I DO! :(

Araenel

06-11-2007, 12:47 AM

The obvious answer is to just do it anyway.

Theiffy

06-11-2007, 01:38 AM

Get her into it <_<

Invite me to heroics too i need badges. :(:(:(

Sytadel

06-11-2007, 01:52 AM

So I'm in a predicament... I wan't to reinstall WoW and pick up BC... But I'm afraid that if I do life/GF/work will take a back seat again... WHAT DO I DO! :(

Rumour has it that 'choice', 'volition', and 'pull the cord' are your allies in this battle!

Queenie

06-11-2007, 05:06 AM

If all else fails, give your GF acc details and tell her to turn on the parental controls.

Silverwolf

06-11-2007, 05:52 AM

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b141/omgwolfeh/WoWScrnShot_110607_020544.jpg
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b141/omgwolfeh/WoWScrnShot_110607_021558.jpg
Kael down, pic 1 is Phase 5 transition, awesome exploeds there =D
Awesome news for the guild, and hyjal looks like awesome fun.

GT_Racer

06-11-2007, 11:10 AM

I've started doing more heroics on my druid so if you ever need a well geared healer, drop me a line GT. I actually prefer the harder heroics as they're a bit more fun than 'ol Slave Pens/Mech, in particular I'd like to do SHalls/Ramparts for some gems that drop there + feral loot. Also up for TK heroics once 2.3 comes and they lower the key requirement.

(NiB you're not on FM are you?)

Yeah sounds good Syt, I need to do normal Bot for my arc key first then will be farming Sha'tar rep and probably be hopping on the Suneater seeking bandwagon (almost revered) while getting exalted for the shield.

The only heroic I have done so far is SP, got past the first boss when the healer had to go. Did try BM and Durne but yeah not cool.

Only keys I have for heroics are Coilfang, KOT and Auch (new patch will give me the others).

Exalted with Sha'tar is my main goal at the moment, after that will pretty much be up for anything.

Don't really know if reducing the rep requirement for heroics is a good thing, can see fairly new 70's in quest greens trying to run em.

Lordage

06-11-2007, 06:06 PM

Rumour has it that 'choice', 'volition', and 'pull the cord' are your allies in this battle!

I lol'd.

Inquisitor

06-11-2007, 10:55 PM

What's going down in WoW atm?

Queenie

06-11-2007, 11:11 PM

new patch introduces quests to dustwallow marsh, and an alliance chain that ends up seeing you kill a giant sea monster with cannons in theramore. on the PTR server.
also reduced xp needed up to lvl 60, and increased gains in the lead up to it.

Lordage

08-11-2007, 10:03 AM

also reduced xp needed up to lvl 60, and increased gains in the lead up to it.

Is that going to be such a good thing? I really don't see the point in doing that to be honest... Or do I need enlightening?

The_Evil_Banana

08-11-2007, 11:09 AM

Is that going to be such a good thing? I really don't see the point in doing that to be honest... Or do I need enlightening?
Most people leveling to 60 have probably already done the grind a rediculous number of times.

NiB

08-11-2007, 12:02 PM

Araenel

08-11-2007, 12:33 PM

Yeah it's planned for next week, barring no delays :P

Which also means new arena season the week after that.

Vindik8or

08-11-2007, 12:53 PM

GT_Racer

08-11-2007, 03:36 PM

Had the Kara run from hell last night (well thats not really true, I got the tank bracer's from 1st boss)

But we wiped 6-7 times on Moroes thnx to someone who refused to own up (but was definately the new hunter we brought along) constantly breaking shackles.

also, is there a date for 2.3 yet ?

Depending on what adds you get there are two (holy pally & holy priest) that can dispel shackles. Exact same thing happened to us last night and we wiped a couple times before we realised what was going on, I got the tanking belt off moroes once we downed him.

Got stuck on Maiden (21%).

Wasn't bad considering this was team 2's first night of raiding and a lot of people are still a bit undergeared and we had people disconnecting with server issues last night. Will probably hit maiden again tonight and see how we go.

NiB

09-11-2007, 09:38 AM

GT_Racer

09-11-2007, 11:30 AM

Seeing as how I never play on the test server, how exactly does the guild bank work ? Does it show a total to all members of the guild in the social window or is it only for the GM's eyes ?

Also,

A big Frostmourne welcome to my Troll Hunter "Niiz" currently resting in Raven Hill on lv8. Looking forward to my first ever oppurtunist pvp world kill and harrassing alliance lowbies the world over :P

My understanding is that there will be Guild Bankers like vendors in the cities and GM's can set spending limits for people etc.

Had to think for a second where Raven Hill is then realised u must mean Razor Hill, I'm guessing it's the little Orc town south or Org.

Anyway welcome to the Horde, sure I'll see you around, don't bother asking me for gold though (not that you would) after last nights repair bills I only have 28g left lol.

We downed Maiden (after I took over as MT, more to do with Shammie respec to Resto). She dropped stuff all and we proceeded to embarrassingly get towelled up by R & J. Basically it was some nub tank (me) not picking up Romulo fast enough, just couldn't seem to grab him no matter what I tried. Even misdirection from the hunter didn't work. The one time we were doing ok a healer DC'd but yeah I'll find out what's goin on and maybe switch tanks around.

If anyone has any pointers on picking him up I'm all ears, I'll have a talk to the guild MT today and see what he says, think I was just too slow though.

NiB

09-11-2007, 01:16 PM

All I'm looking for is a decent guild who like the casual /g chat and learn playing a hunter. I know I know its easy to be a good pew pew, but hard to be a great one.

Queenie

09-11-2007, 03:01 PM

So i took the plunge and upgraded to BC.

And since my account ran outta time i was able to set up jakester with a scroll of resurrection.

Araenel

09-11-2007, 03:22 PM

All I'm looking for is a decent guild who like the casual /g chat and learn playing a hunter. I know I know its easy to be a good pew pew, but hard to be a great one.

Just bug Sytadel endlessly with hunter queries, he loves it.

Ali G

09-11-2007, 03:27 PM

Oh, excellent, reduced XP up to level 60 comes in the week I start playing again. I might actually get my druid up to 60 now.

Vindik8or

09-11-2007, 03:59 PM

My understanding is that there will be Guild Bankers like vendors in the cities and GM's can set spending limits for people etc.

Had to think for a second where Raven Hill is then realised u must mean Razor Hill, I'm guessing it's the little Orc town south or Org.

Anyway welcome to the Horde, sure I'll see you around, don't bother asking me for gold though (not that you would) after last nights repair bills I only have 28g left lol.

We downed Maiden (after I took over as MT, more to do with Shammie respec to Resto). She dropped stuff all and we proceeded to embarrassingly get towelled up by R & J. Basically it was some nub tank (me) not picking up Romulo fast enough, just couldn't seem to grab him no matter what I tried. Even misdirection from the hunter didn't work. The one time we were doing ok a healer DC'd but yeah I'll find out what's goin on and maybe switch tanks around.

If anyone has any pointers on picking him up I'm all ears, I'll have a talk to the guild MT today and see what he says, think I was just too slow though.
Umm don't suck? Stand right where he will spawn/rez, spam shield slam or sunder, stop your healers/DPS from going batshit too quickly, and don't suck.

TSplodey

09-11-2007, 04:13 PM

Picked up Barbed Choker of Discipline (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=28516) and Panzar'thar Breastplate (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=28597#comments) for my pally this week. Wewt.
(http://www.wowhead.com/?item=28516)

Sytadel

09-11-2007, 04:18 PM

Tankadin!

Just hit 2,050 on my 3v3 team, nearly 1,000 points a week now. We faced a 3 DPS team with a Feral Druid, Frost Mage, and Hemo Rogue with d/w Illidan Weapons ;_;. Sheer pain!

Stormyau

09-11-2007, 10:34 PM

Hemo Rogue with d/w Illidan Weapons ;_;. Sheer pain!
That's pretty common though. What.

Oh, excellent, reduced XP up to level 60 comes in the week I start playing again. I might actually get my druid up to 60 now.
What type of reduction is it? 10%? 20%?

Araenel

09-11-2007, 11:17 PM

That's pretty common though. What.

What type of reduction is it? 10%? 20%?

I think it's 15% less needed per level, and quest exp was increased too, don't know by how much though.

Queenie

09-11-2007, 11:56 PM

don't forget many elites losing so called elite status!

Spazzallo

10-11-2007, 03:17 AM

30% I believe the quest xp was increased by...

Just got my gamecard, playing for the first time in 2 months. So damn rusty, and I don't remember the lag being this bad :(.

TSplodey

10-11-2007, 04:51 AM

Did my Hyjal and BT attunements tonight. :) Nearly got the neck from Kael, lost the bid by 5. :( Went into Hyjal and did Rage, picking up Bracers of Martyrdom (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=30871#dropped-by) from my first kill. Nearly lost them to 2 druids though, one which is new and one which is feral most of the time. <_<

Silverwolf

10-11-2007, 05:13 AM

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b141/omgwolfeh/WoWScrnShot_110907_183800.jpg
Hell yes. I look like im in 8/8 t5
but I actually got 4/5 last night. =D

GT_Racer

10-11-2007, 11:56 AM

Umm don't suck? Stand right where he will spawn/rez, spam shield slam or sunder, stop your healers/DPS from going batshit too quickly, and don't suck.

:lol: Saw that coming a mile away. It's not getting aggro that's the problem it's the initial pickup but yeah you are right I need to suck less. :razz:

Queenie

10-11-2007, 12:48 PM

joined A pre-BC raiding guild. We are all doing our onyxia attunement tonight (the UBRS bit), so yay, I probably will get my Corrupted ashbringer before WOTLK comes out.

Vindik8or

10-11-2007, 02:15 PM

:lol: Saw that coming a mile away. It's not getting aggro that's the problem it's the initial pickup but yeah you are right I need to suck less. :razz:
That's why I said, stand where he spawns and spam whichever ability it is that you use to pick up initial aggro, also make sure you have no target. That way as soon as an elligible target (Romulo) becomes available the game will automatically target it with that ability.

Simes

10-11-2007, 02:40 PM

Anyone know why they lowered exp by a % to get to 60 and increased exp from quests? Or have I taken this out of context? I found that levelling my feral druid from 40 to 50 was harder than from 50 to 70. But then again I didn't group much and probably had gear that was below my level.

Also having bugger all gold at the time played a big factor in thinking of getting new gear. When I stopped playing in April/May this year I have around 2k gold on my druid and was working on various factions in Outlands. I think the main one was for access to Netherstorm Drake mount.

Sytadel

10-11-2007, 02:42 PM

joined A pre-BC raiding guild. We are all doing our onyxia attunement tonight (the UBRS bit), so yay, I probably will get my Corrupted ashbringer before WOTLK comes out.

Those EXIST? Wtf!

I found that levelling my feral druid from 40 to 50 was harder than from 50 to 70. But then again I didn't group much and probably had gear that was below my level.

Hm? I think you're misreading. 0-60 is currently getting the buff because it's the hardest range to level (due to a paucity of quests and generally worse structure than 60-70). 60-70 there's an abundance of quests so although it's slower overall, it feels much less like a grind.

Simes

10-11-2007, 02:45 PM

There wasn't many of them when I was playing, although most of the older guilds had changed to BC content and were doing the raids there. I think they did do the older raids whenever enough guild members needed to do it or just to get enough ppl attuned to whatever, so whenever they did an old raid they wouldn't have to for a PUR (Pick Up Raid).

This is based on my knowledge of the large guilds on Greymane.

Araenel

10-11-2007, 03:14 PM

joined A pre-BC raiding guild. We are all doing our onyxia attunement tonight (the UBRS bit), so yay, I probably will get my Corrupted ashbringer before WOTLK comes out.

Is your guild going all the way and remaining at level 60 too?

Otherwise that's just a cop-out man.

Unforgiven

10-11-2007, 05:24 PM

Anyone got time to answer a few qu's I have about WoW? Maybe I could pm someone here instead of posting my noob like questions.

TrinityJayOne

10-11-2007, 05:40 PM

Post away.

Unforgiven

10-11-2007, 05:52 PM

I used to play over a year ago, so things obviously would've changed. Anyways I plan to be casual gamer really, so raids arn't too important to me, just wana have fun.

What classes are fun to solo? I enjoy doing quests against the odds or in unorthadox ways to complete them. Though towards the upper levels, are some classes hard to get a group for in instances because they are in excess of not a tank or healer?

Also servers, are there many servers for Australians out there, or any newer servers opening or just opened? I like the idea on an unconquered land. Are WoW posters on here all on the one server?

Im not a fan of casters as such. I only really know a bit about Rogue's, though I am fond of Shammy's and Pally's. Could anyone tell me about the pro's and con's of these classes.

Anything else you think would be good for me to know or that I might like to know would be appreciated as well :)

Vindik8or

10-11-2007, 06:03 PM

Hunters are the most fun for soloing.

Unforgiven

10-11-2007, 06:09 PM

Though I read that Hunters are not very wanted in some groups towards end game and the like, and that they are a dime a dozen, is this true?

Araenel

10-11-2007, 06:13 PM

That is true, although you'll generally find most dps classes in abundance. If you want to go with a class that's wanted, you'll need to be a tank or a healer, and I think there's slightly more demand for tanks atm than even healers (on Frostmourne at least).

Simes

10-11-2007, 06:13 PM

I always liked having a hunter in a group when doing instances and raids. From memory they have some CC (maybe only for beasts), though never liked silly hunters that decided to pull a group before another was taken down.

Happened to me in Blackrock near that General that drops a nice tank item.

Simes

10-11-2007, 06:15 PM

I have found that whenever I mentioned I was a Feral druid in PUGs most ppl bailed on the group, or told me that I had to be the healer :doh: I could heal rather well for a feral druid but was a agro thief and consumed my mana pool WAY to quickly. Sorry for double posting

Unforgiven

10-11-2007, 06:21 PM

I am in the dilema of choosing what class I should make. I have had Rogue's in the past and enjoyed them to a great extent.

Also what do you guys reckon, PvP or PVE server? I have played on both before, PvP isn't that big a deal to me, although I did enjoy ganking people, but then again it was frustrating at times(trying to quest in STV).

TrinityJayOne

10-11-2007, 06:25 PM

Druids are a great solo'er, but Feral DPS gets very boring as it's just the same thing over and over. Hunters get the same (for me), but the ability to tackle challenges you shouldn't be able to best is what keeps it fresh, provided you can fully utilize the skills at your disposal in order to kite. Druids can often do similar feats through timely form usage, CC and heals, but the limit is faaaaaar higher for Hunters.

Personally, I still find Warlock the most fun for soloing. The fact that you don't sit still all the time stops me from getting bored, and with the right enemies you can fight 4-6 things at once and feel in complete control (Affliction only). They can also overcome challenges other classes wouldn't be able to do solo, provided the mob can be feared. Hunters probably still win out here though, as a Warlock can only fight things up to a certain level discrepancy before everything just resists, where as a Hunter can theoretically kite any level, as long as it can't hit them and they have room.

Simes

10-11-2007, 06:26 PM

That is the common factor on all PvP servers, STV is the common place for World PvP, I have played a shammy and once I got access to a few different kinds of totems it made things easier. They get Chainmail at 40 like hunters, so that helps out in the long run.

From what I remember Shadow Priests were pretty good at soloing, draining life and not burning up mana on heals. But can be hard until you get certain skills in Shadow Talents.

StorminNorman

10-11-2007, 06:31 PM

Feral druids are pretty competent tanks/DPS these days, and it's a great way to play a class that can fulfill multiple roles. Many players consider druids to be the "best" of the hybrid classes.

If you want a class that's fun to solo, then rogue is the best choice. There is no skill in the game more powerful than stealth, and the combination of high avoidance and high damage means that most nonelites (and many elites) can be soloed without hassle.

Grouping with rogues can be difficult primarily because there's several classes that can fill a rogue's role, plus the other rogues around, however I tend to find that this isn't too much of a hindrance to getting groups. More importantly, there's never any confusion as to why a rogue is in the group: Every group member knows that all a rogue brings is massive DPS. You never get rejected from a group because you "can't tank" and you never have to put up with people bugging you for food/water, or anything else. You're there to hit things, and that's what everyone wants you for.

Incidentally, this is why rogues are my favourite class. There's no bullshit about them: they are straight-up damage, with a semi-useful CC on the side. Rogues that complain about lack of group utility need to reroll warrior.

Vindik8or

10-11-2007, 06:36 PM

Shamans are one of the worst classes to level. They depend entirely on Windfury and Stormstrike crits to take down mobs and have massive downtime between every fight. They also have very limited ability to deal with adds. From my understanding Elemental isn't viable before level 60ish.

Shadow Priests are slow to level. Seriously, a hunter is as fun or as boring as you want to make it. Feel like taking it easy? Just send your pet in and auto-shoot to grind. Feel like making it a challenge? Pull four mobs and trap, CC, kite them around for good times - or take on an elite 4 levels higher than you.

Simes

10-11-2007, 06:39 PM

Feral druids are pretty competent tanks/DPS these days, and it's a great way to play a class that can fulfill multiple roles. Many players consider druids to be the "best" of the hybrid classes.

Ironically I could tank in greens and blues from BC against bosses in setthek halls, shadow labs, starting area without a hassle. Got pounded when I did steamvault, needed that epic gear for there :( Though having +sta, +agi and +str on gear was good. Last time I was playing everyone was complaining that druids were overpowered and we got a nerf, although my dmg went down a bit. I could still out dmg certain players who didn't know how to play their class effectively.

Last recollection i have 12 to 13k armor in dire bear with the said greens and blues. Never bothered in getting any of my tier sets. As they were all focused to resto or balance.

Vindik8or

10-11-2007, 06:43 PM

Wow, what? Epic gear for a regular 5 man?

Unforgiven

10-11-2007, 06:43 PM

Thanks for the discussion all this is exactly what I want. What about Paladins how do they fair in the solo stakes, or in the long run?

Also is Horde or Alliance simply a matter of preferance?

Vindik8or

10-11-2007, 06:46 PM

Protection spec is the best for levelling a Paladin, you can easily take on 5-10 mobs, plus fighting elites is easymode because you are tough to kill. They are relatively slow to level though, and the spec is only viable after level 34. That said my Paladin is pure awesome. Horde all the way.

Simes

10-11-2007, 07:00 PM

Wow, what? Epic gear for a regular 5 man?

I only needed epics since I was getting squashed very fast, well especially when the healer would go afk or not take any notice of me. Look for Simes in the Armory I am on Greymane, pretty sure I only had blues and greens. Might of had a purple necklace or ring.

Sytadel

10-11-2007, 07:10 PM

What classes are fun to solo? I enjoy doing quests against the odds or in unorthadox ways to complete them. Though towards the upper levels, are some classes hard to get a group for in instances because they are in excess of not a tank or healer?

Warlocks, hunters, and prot paladins can pull off the coolest stuff while levelling. Generally speaking it's hard to find a group for most instances, whether you're a tank or a healer. Tanks are in demand at 70 though.

Also servers, are there many servers for Australians out there, or any newer servers opening or just opened? I like the idea on an unconquered land. Are WoW posters on here all on the one server?

There's a few Aussie servers, but they're based in the US so the ping is the same. Most of us play Frostmourne Horde, but not all.

Im not a fan of casters as such. I only really know a bit about Rogue's, though I am fond of Shammy's and Pally's. Could anyone tell me about the pro's and con's of these classes.

Rogues - fun, solo class, powerful in 1v1 PvP and reasonably desirable in 5-mans as a DPS class. Has a few issues in high-end PvP and although quite poweful in high end PvE, it's too common to be desirable.

Shaman - Versatile, complex class with three very viable specs. Each spec yields a few tradeoffs though, in particular enhancement is unpopular in PvP and elemental is unpopular in PvE. You'll have to level primarily as a caster class.

Paladins - Versatile also, one of two classes that can fill all three roles. As a DPS class however paladins are undesirable, and 2/3 of their specs (Prot and Ret) are very unwanted in PvP. As Holy they're very powerful in all respects though.

Silverwolf

10-11-2007, 08:42 PM

Yeah Syt sums up those 3 classes well. although 1-60 the only spec you should be as a shaman is enhancement which is primarily melee. Emphasis on 'complex' although it may just be that rogue is easymode, shamans have so many different spells for different situations and you need to know them all.
Shamans are one of the worst classes to level. They depend entirely on Windfury and Stormstrike crits to take down mobs and have massive downtime between every fight. They also have very limited ability to deal with adds. From my understanding Elemental isn't viable before level 60ish.
Shamans are only bad until they get dual wield, if you know how to itemize properly you can make it so you have very little downtime and you can still kill mobs very efficiently (i managed to get no downtime at all when levelling my shaman 65-70) Although 2her is awesome fun for pvp in STV mid 30s its not fun at all for levelling.

Rogues are awesome fun but way too common, i have been incredibly lucky coming back to WoW and getting guilds/kara/epics/so on.

Ali G

10-11-2007, 08:52 PM

Obviously druids are the best.

GT_Racer

10-11-2007, 10:48 PM

If you want a challenge roll a warrior, not bad to level and solo quest just make sure you learn first aid to minimise downtime. I levelled to 70 as pretty much full arms with a 2 hander. At 70 it becomes very difficult to find a group unless you are protection or have good fury gear and can do a lot of damage as many groups won't take a dps warrior due to lack of CC.

Basically you need to spend a lot of gold respeccing when you want to quest or PVP (not saying prot warrs can't PVP or Solo quest but it's not that much fun).

The good news is you will rarely find it difficult to find a group as a prot warr, it actually gets annoying due to the constant "wanna tank x instance" whispers. Basically you can almost instantly find a group for the instance you want.

Other classes I won't get into, have played them all but not to 70.

In terms of servers and such this thread will tell you where most of us play http://forums.hyperactive.com.au/showthread.php?t=7997

Unforgiven

11-11-2007, 12:17 AM

Thanks for the reply. Turns out a mate from work who used to play doesn't play anymore, so he is going to give me his account which has a 70 Hunter, and its on Frostmourne ;-) . So i will use the 70 Hunter as my 'main' while I level up my new little one. I think I Might try a Warrior or something so I can actaully gets groups as opposed to when I had my rogue's (i got groups, it just took time), then I will start a Rogue later on for fun maybe.

Spazzallo

11-11-2007, 01:57 AM

TrinityJayOne

11-11-2007, 02:00 AM

What's the Hunter's name?

Simes

11-11-2007, 02:01 AM

Wow, what? Epic gear for a regular 5 man?

Vindik8or here is my druid from WoW Armory:

Simes - 70 Night Elf Feral Druid (http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Greymane&n=Simes)

Bevinbar - 42 Dwarf Hunter (http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Baelgun&n=Bevinbar)

My 2 highest characters, both have been inactive since sometime in April 2007.

Theiffy

11-11-2007, 02:49 AM

I HATE TRINKET FARMING IN THIS GAME AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!

MY TRINKETS ARE SO SHIT AND EVERYTIME ABACUS OR HOURGLASS DROPS A HUNTER ALWAYS OUTROLLS ME, ALWAYS!!!! IM EXALTED WITH BOTH FACTIONS THATS HOW LONG I BEEN FARMING THEM FOR.

eh, maybe its time to quit, i'm sick of being fed up with it

Sytadel

11-11-2007, 03:03 AM

Joined <Made in Aus>, arena guild tonight. Lets see if serious pvp and regular casual 10-mans can revitalise my interest!

Silverwolf

11-11-2007, 03:06 AM

Quick question, what's the best spec to level a Shammy with? If it is enhancement, should I duel wield or go with a 2 hander? Only just started and want to get it to 70 as quick as possible with the new patch for the guild :). Thanks.

Yes, the best levelling spec is enhancement, you use 2her until you can use two weapons. WF at level 30 onwards, and when you get dual wield, get slowest weapons possible in both hands, 2.6 speed or slower is the best (slowest in offhand)

Teegs: wtb poison vial? hahaha. just wait for ZA.

Theiffy

11-11-2007, 03:12 AM

Poison vial has never dropped mainly cause everytime it's been ****ing big bad wolf. D:

Araenel

11-11-2007, 03:15 AM

We got Romulo heaps of times when I used to tank. Therefore since I'm going to tank next time, we're going to get them.

Flawlessly airtight.