Pokemon Gold and Silver (DS) - Catch 'em All Again on the 25th of March

[AranchineD]

Porygon-Z would like a word.

You're not helping your case here.

[TSplodey]

Persian is actually a decent Physical sweeper, of the normal type.

And the Porygon family is good.

[Queenie]

Furret is a HM mule that is obtained early in the game and people are too lazy to switch out and the npcs in the game are easily beatable with only 5 pokemon.

[Blob]

They've evolved in a similar manner. Aesthetically, not so much, but the fighting engine has evolved and changed significantly. Same as Pokemon. Thing is, because the metagame of Pokemon isn't the core experience for as many people as it is for fighting games, the evolution of the series in that respect isn't always obvious.

Oh im well aware that the Fighting mechanics in all those games have changed but so have pokemons. People just seem to ignore that. The reason I say pokemon has evolved more is because of its extra additions such as Pokethlon and Contests which not only have their own depth to them but exist inside an already large game.

[AranchineD]

Go on, try and show that any generation after the second brought more significant changes to the series than second generation itself did.

[Blob]

Go on, try and show that any generation after the second brought more significant changes to the series than second generation itself did.

Frankly I can't really be bothered. Im sure if you were really interested you could probably look them up. Or ask WhyMe he might oblige.

[AranchineD]

ALL THE POKEMON GAMES INNOVATE

Explain how.

AWW NOW I COULDN'T BE BOTHERED

[JimmyKane]

Go on, try and show that any generation after the second brought more significant changes to the series than second generation itself did.
Related: Gen V better have some new types to mess up the balance.

And a vampire duck pokemon.

And ftr there are some pretty powerful normal types. I would say Slaking but that's offset by it's shitty ability. Snorlax is pretty freakin' sweet.

[Natrak]

Gen 5 needs a goddamn Farfetch'd evolution.

[BB2K]

Aran knows his shit.

The only things I can think of is the splitting of moves into physical and special.

[AranchineD]

Gen 5 needs a goddamn Farfetch'd evolution.

Bizarr'd

[JimmyKane]

pwn'd

[JimmyKane]

And on the subject of HM mules

Steelix is better than Raticate/Furret/Linoone/Bibarel will ever be (1)

[Ninjalada]

Yep, you're bad.

I'm a Poke-wiz, brah. :cool:

[Nic Xtreme]

Go on, try and show that any generation after the second brought more significant changes to the series than second generation itself did.

Physical/Special split.

[AranchineD]

Okay, that's about equal to one tenth of a Day/Night Cycle.

What else

[Nic Xtreme]

Okay, that's about equal to one tenth of a Day/Night Cycle.

What else

AranchineD threw BAIT.

Wild WHYME is nibbling the BAIT!

Wild WHYME fled!

[AranchineD]

http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/9711/1270184821782.gif

[JimmyKane]

Day/Night cycle just annoyed me in the original Silver.

[SOX]

It was annoying cause the emulator I was using at the time didn't emulate the inbuilt clock so I had to play the day/night out in real time :/

[Clockw0rk]

Day/Night cycles were clearly so important that they were removed from Ruby and Sapphire, which (as I've already stated 2 pages back) brought more new features than any other Pokemon game so far.

[AranchineD]

Except Ruby and Sapphire still had a 'real-time cycle'. OOPS THAT WAS INTRODUCED IN GOLD/SILVER TOO. True story: the Day/Night cycle adds variety to Pokemon appearances and various events...and people complain about it. Yep. Nice logic guys.


As for the 'features' you brought up before: random 'Natures' are not a good feature. Getting a weaker Pokemon based on no other reason than 'chance' is dumb.

Yes it updated berries. Gold/Silver introduced them in the first place. Refining an old mechanic != introducing a new mechanic entirely.

It added new Pokemon but they are mostly terribly designed with even less inspired names than 'Tangela'. Quality over quantity. And it did not introduce any new types, unlike Gold/Silver/Crystal.

And no, the Battle Tower was not new. It was in Crystal. The 'remixed' Pokemon second gen game.

All other features that are actually improvements you listed pale in comparison to all the new features that Gold/Silver introduced. As said above it introduced more types that balanced some the power overpowered types from the original games plus about double the move set that again balances everything out better, and in addition to that there's the whole phone system, the ability to have your Pokemon hold items to affect abilities and such, and actual high level challenges in the form of Mt. Silver + Red, these are all huge changes from the original games.

And if you want to get into the really minute details, there's how your Pokemon now had an experience bar show up in battle (only an aesthetic change but it was still nice), male and female genders of Pokemon (plus the whole Daycare Center system), shiny Pokemon, the more varied ball types with unique properties instead of just having different grades of a normal Poke Ball, that you don't get screwed over by forgetting to change to an empty storage box when you try to catch Pokemon.

An improved Storage Box and Double Battles cannot compare to all the changes 2nd gen introduced over the first game.

[Spudzilla]

Yo I heard Hyper Pokemon Trainers don't know a Serious nature from a Hasty nature!! chicka-chicka-boom yea

[Clockw0rk]

Except Ruby and Sapphire still had a 'real-time cycle'. OOPS THAT WAS INTRODUCED IN GOLD/SILVER TOO. True story: the Day/Night cycle adds variety to Pokemon appearances and various events...and people complain about it. Yep. Nice logic guys.
I don't think I ever complained about it. At least, I hope I didn't.

As for the 'features' you brought up before: random 'Natures' are not a good feature. Getting a weaker Pokemon based on no other reason than 'chance' is dumb.
Most people can ignore them since they just change how stats increase when Pokemon level up. The people really into it can breed to get the right one. I don't see it as dumb.

Yes it updated berries. Gold/Silver introduced them in the first place. Refining an old mechanic != introducing a new mechanic entirely.

It added new Pokemon but they are mostly terribly designed with even less inspired names than 'Tangela'. Quality over quantity. And it did not introduce any new types, unlike Gold/Silver/Crystal.Nitpicking :p

And no, the Battle Tower was not new. It was in Crystal. The 'remixed' Pokemon second gen game.Didn't know that!

All other features that are actually improvements you listed pale in comparison to all the new features that Gold/Silver introduced. As said above it introduced more types that balanced some the power overpowered types from the original games plus about double the move set that again balances everything out better, and in addition to that there's the whole phone system, the ability to have your Pokemon hold items to affect abilities and such, and actual high level challenges in the form of Mt. Silver + Red, these are all huge changes from the original games.You win!

And if you want to get into the really minute details
Don't think I ever did :/
I'll be honest, I skipped GSC and went straight to RSE so I was seeing a lot of the 'features' (no idea why you put this in quotes but I'll run with it) for the first time. Picking up Heart Gold on Wednesday though, looking forward to it :D

On another topic, I like the visual style of Black and White. It's pretty much what I was expecting Diamond/Pearl to look like (and consequently why I never bought them, since the visual upgrade was so minor).

[AranchineD]

Forgive me, the English impersonal pronoun is so easy to misinterpret

[Clockw0rk]

Forgive me, the English impersonal pronoun is so easy to misinterpret
I don't know what you're talking about.

[Silverwolf]

I'll be honest, I skipped GSC and went straight to RSE

You bought the lamest iteration but not the others?! u gay

[Clockw0rk]

I played Blue and Yellow to death (all 151, woo!) and couldn't be bothered with Gold/Silver. I don't see why people hate on Ruby/Sapphire so much :/

Anyway, I can redeem myself by playing Heart Gold! :p

[JubeiSaotome]

I don't see why people hate on Ruby/Sapphire so much :/
Going back to Emerald, it feels like the equivilent of an RPG maker game. Probably had the worst art direction of all games. At least in regards to the world, pokemon sprites were pretty good.

[Queenie]

I think the worst thing about the pokemon games is the way the sprite makes you think you're controlling a midget.

playing voltorb flip a little before I go to bed each night, saving up coins to get ice beam, then I'm going to catch a lapras and put that in my team somehow.

[AranchineD]

I like that in SS/HG, Steelix towers over your character when you have it following you. But you can't have it out when indoors. :(

[AranchineD]

I guess your trainer is just afraid of making true the statement "Like a Steelix in a Pokemart"







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http://www.hyper.com.au/forums/image.php?u=1468&dateline=1270086027

[Queenie]

I do find it quite funny when you do the size comparison of large pokemon in the pokedex. An onix makes you bounce to the top of the screen so I wonder where a groudon would make you go

[Mr Pie]

Have you ever wondered what happens when you save and shutdown the game in front of the front door of a Gym? I can just imagine some yahoo coming along wanting to challenge a Gym Leader and realising they cant get past because some frozen kid is standing in the doorway... Weird crap...

[Spudzilla]

I bet that happens all the time it must be so annoying hahaha~

[Ali G]

FFS I decide to buy SoulSilver today but all the stores only have HeartGold. Pretty clear which is the better option.

[TSplodey]

So does anyone else think Voltorb flip is like Minesweeper but less fun? I read the rules and understand them but you can never completely eliminate the chance factor can you?

[AranchineD]

That is true.


And given that I always get f***ed over when it comes to chance and luck, I just played it enough to get a Dratini and that was it.

[Queenie]

I really, really want ice beam.

FML

[Ninjalada]

FFS I decide to buy SoulSilver today but all the stores only have HeartGold. Pretty clear which is the better option.

Heart Gold is way better, its' list of exclusive Pokemon is larger and better.

[Ali G]

Heart Gold is way better, its' list of exclusive Pokemon is larger and better.
Yeah, but my brother's already got it.

[Spudzilla]

Heart Gold is way better, its' list of exclusive Pokemon is larger and better.

Hahahahahahaha!

Gold is for gays

[JimmyKane]

Did you just call Deka

nvm

[Mr Pie]

Anyone know if they will release Pokemon Crystal again?

[Clockw0rk]

Probably. Prints money etc.

[FF Freak]

based off their previous re-release (leaf green and fire red) it is highly unlikely.

[FrozenSoul80]

Anyone know if they will release Pokemon Crystal again?

HG and SS are pretty much Crystal.

[JimmyKane]

What FF Freak said.

We didn't get ThunderYellow, so we won't get ClearasCrystal.

[Ninjalada]

Hahahahahahaha!

Gold is for gays

Why let your sexual insecurities get in the way of having an awesome Arcanine?



I have been spamming the power course at the Pokeathlon lately to get enough points for a dusk stone. I always own it with my team of Faraligatr, Donphan and Pinsir and I only needed about 300 more points to get to 3000 for the stone so I was all like "Pffffft, easy!"

My next go was an absolute shocker and I ended up with 2998 points.

FML.

[Natrak]

Booyah, just got randomly infected by Pokerus.

[Clockw0rk]

Friend is giving me the Pokerus this week, wooo

[Jickle]

So is Mewtwo freaking impossible to catch in an Ultra Ball or what?

[AranchineD]

Looks at this guy, using Ultra Balls


USE DUSK BALLS FOOL

[Jickle]

Looks at this guy, using Ultra Balls


USE DUSK BALLS FOOL

But I don't have any dusk balls! ;_; I guess I could exit the cave and come back. Or just use my damn Master Ball.

[Queenie]

no, just go to erm the dragon gym town and buy dusk balls there.

1k each.

ENJOY

they work on Ho-Oh too i think. I did use them at night though.

Timer balls eventually go up to a 4x multiplier but that'd be after 40 turns.

[Jickle]

I caught him in a Dusk Ball in the end. Good times, except now I have about 45 spares. >_>

[Queenie]

Go after the legendary dogs. Ho-Oh first.

however they have roar (the dogs, not ho oh). Latios doesn't. however it does have recover to alleviate status issues. it is also level 35. Dogs level 40.

Note: Latios doesn't have roar or anything. False swipe can be learned by Farfetch'd (I caught in the forest inbetween goldenrod and azalea town).

Jynx usually has mean look (did when i caught on ice path at level 22). As it's psychic you'll have the added bonus of latios's attack lustre purge not having much effect on it.

Go use mewtwo, level jynx up along with farfetch'd.

[Nic Xtreme]

False Swipe can also be purchased at the department store as a TM and taught to many different Pokemon!

[Queenie]

many? Of the 140 different pokemon I caught on my way to 18 badges, just FOUR could learn the bloody attack.

here's a list of those who can.

Beedrill Bug Poison
046 Paras Bug Grass
047 Parasect Bug Grass
083 Farfetch'd Normal Flying
098 Krabby Water
099 Kingler Water
104 Cubone Ground
105 Marowak Ground
123 Scyther Bug Flying
127 Pinsir Bug
151 Mew Psychic
207 Gligar Ground Flying
212 Scizor Bug Steel
215 Sneasel Dark Ice
253 Grovyle Grass
254 Sceptile Grass
290 Nincada Bug Ground
291 Ninjask Bug Flying
292 Shedinja Bug Ghost
335 Zangoose Normal
341 Corphish Water
342 Crawdaunt Water Dark
347 Anorith Rock Bug
348 Armaldo Rock Bug
359 Absol Dark
402 Kricketune Bug
445 Garchomp Dragon Ground
451 Skorupi Poison Bug
452 Drapion Poison Dark
461 Weavile Dark Ice
472 Gliscor Ground Flying
475 Gallade

[Nic Xtreme]

That's not 'one', 'a few', or 'a couple'. It's also not 'tons' or 'lots'. I'd say many.

[Natrak]

Queenie quite clearly owned you with his astounding Pokemon knowledge, WhyMe. Cop it on the chin like a man.

I BET YOU DIDN'T KNOW RECOVER CURES STATUS AILMENTS NOW EITHER, HUH?

[AranchineD]

Where's Beedrill's Pokedex number?

And Gallade's type is not listed either.



Queenie, I am disappoint.

[Mr Pie]

Gallade Is Psychic Fighting, good attack and fair special attack, Evolves from a Male Kirlia with a dusk stone I think...

[FF Freak]

freaking out because my pokewalker ended up falling out of my pocket today. Hoping I can find it because it's in one of two places where I went tonight.

[Queenie]

That's not 'one', 'a few', or 'a couple'. It's also not 'tons' or 'lots'. I'd say many.

There are
Beedrill Bug Poison
046 Paras Bug Grass i don't care bloody forests or something
047 Parasect Bug Grass
083 Farfetch'd Normal Flying Azalea Forest
098 Krabby Water Water areas, good rod.
099 Kingler Water evolve krabby
104 Cubone Ground rock tunnel
105 Marowak Ground evolve cubone
123 Scyther Bug Flying Bug Catching Contest
127 Pinsir Bug Bug Catching Contest
215 Sneasel Dark Ice Mt. Silver (uncommon)
290 Nincada Bug Bug Catching contest
Are the only ones fairly EASILY obtainable.

If we discount evolved forms (not inc beedrill), this leaves us with :


Beedrill Bug Poison <-- its pre-evolutions can't learn false swipe, and it evolves at what, lvl 12? so that's easy I'd say.
046 Paras Bug Grass i don't care bloody forests or something
083 Farfetch'd Normal Flying Azalea Forest
098 Krabby Water Water areas, good rod.
104 Cubone Ground rock tunnel
123 Scyther Bug Flying Bug Catching Contest (rare)
127 Pinsir Bug Bug Catching Contest (uncommon)
215 Sneasel Dark Ice Mt. Silver (uncommon)
290 Nincada Bug Bug Catching contest

These are all of the easily obtainable ones, catchable in soul silver. This does not include safari zone, or hoenn sounds radio, which increases the list by about 5-6.



But all of this said, all I did was just use my farfetch'd at level 16 because It didn't need to survive (latios paralyzed)

[Cerebral]

Friend is giving me the Pokerus this week, wooo

Ew. Gross.

[Clockw0rk]

FYI, Winner's Path for the Pokewalker is available as a Wifi mystery gift this month.

[Clockw0rk]

http://www.filb.de/games/tools/aikotoba
Generates the phrases needed to get the bonus wallpapers, if you haven't already.

[BB2K]

According to a catalogue I looked at today, there's gonna be a Jirachi event at Toys 'R Us soon. Can't remember when, though.

[Queenie]

jirachi?

why don't they make it something you can't get outside an event, like deoxys or something?

[amcam]

I starts today in Melbourne, methinks...

Yep. Swanston St. EB Games Jirachi event starts today until June 13...

[Clockw0rk]

Sucks to live in NZ.
If anyone doesn't want theirs...

Alternatively could someone trade it to me then trade back so I can have it in my pokedex and unlock Night Sky's Edge?

[dende d. guardian]

correct me if i'm wrong... but doesn't the cherish ball it comes in make it unable to be traded? wasn't that how event pokemon worked in D/P/Pl?

[Clockw0rk]

Ah crap, you're right :(

[TSplodey]

http://community.livejournal.com/pokewifi/2167924.html

Have fun.

[Clockw0rk]

Sweet thanks, I've already got Pokesav and was going to test it out tomorrow when my friend brought her DS round. Now I don't have to wait!

[Natrak]

correct me if i'm wrong... but doesn't the cherish ball it comes in make it unable to be traded? wasn't that how event pokemon worked in D/P/Pl?

I think you're half right. The cherish ball prevents you from putting the pokemon up on the GTS, but you can still trade via wi-fi with friend codes. IIRC, of course.

[Clockw0rk]

Got that SendPKM thing working anyway. Shiny Mew! <3

[Clockw0rk]

This month's Wifi event is the same Jirachi that was just offered up at Toys R Us. Yay!

[VanAce]

http://www.aussie-nintendo.com/news/23833/

Mew is up for offer for a limited time.