Forza Motorsport 3

[TrinityJayOne]

Yep, the 4WD one that came out pack before last I think.

[turb06]

Mazda Lap
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[Brilliantred219]

http://forzamotorsport.net/en-us/Future_of_Forza/

[Brilliantred219]

Forza at E3
http://forzamotorsport.net/en-us/Future_of_Forza/

[StorminNorman]

Hi Dad.

[Shorty]

This particular sentence caught my attention:

The next full Forza Motorsport experience, which utilizes some of the ideas presented in this demo, will ship in 2011.

Is this their official announcement of Forza 4 in 2011?

[Brilliantred219]

Exactly what I was thinking. It will probably come out just before GT5.
Hi Tim.

[HiredMan]

Exactly what I was thinking. It will probably come out just before GT5.
Hi Tim.

Touche!

Hi Tim and Tim's dad.

[HiredMan]

I think it will be a Forza lite rather than a full new forza game.

I don't, considering the quote "the next full Forza Motorsport experience" and the fact that the last 2 games have been release 2 years after their predecessor i.e.

Forza Motorsport (2005)
Forza Motorsport 2 (2007)
Forza Motorsport 3 (2009)

I think it's looking like Forza 4.

[Cubby]

What could they add to 4 that would justify a whole new game though?

[StorminNorman]

Kinect support?

[Cubby]

Anything people would want?

[HiredMan]

I don't really understand your question. New content? Whatever they added to the first 2 sequels to make them worth the purchase, only more?

[Lazlow]

- weather; variable or just simple wet/dry options
- time scale; either simulated or just dawn/midday/dusk/night options like NFS Shift
- rally cross or stadium off road to give some vehicles more purpose
- Spa

[Cubby]

^ I like those.

New content can just be added via DLC though, and I can't really see them improving on the FM3 engine much. Though it would be nice to have "real" damage instead of the arcadey stuff they currently have (asthetically).

Apart from being prettier, was 3 much different from 2? Same cars, same tracks from what I can remember of 2.

[Cubby]

Indeed. It's funny how reviewers of Burnout used to say its damage was over the top. What do they think is gonna happen when you hit a wall at 300kph?

[Clockw0rk]

One of those apostrophes was used correctly and one wasn't. Figure out which one and win pep!

[turb06]

- weather; variable or just simple wet/dry options
- time scale; either simulated or just dawn/midday/dusk/night options like NFS Shift
- rally cross or stadium off road to give some vehicles more purpose
- Spa

- more realistic fuel usage
- the ability to pit properly ie. only change the tyres that need to be changed and not to refuel 100%
- bathurst
- a proper in car view
- A mag wheel / Bodykit design.
- LOCAL LEADERBOARDS!!

[Lazlow]

- Kei cars
- Motorbikes

:D:D:D

[turb06]

Marble build up would be cool for enduro races, in fact proper 24 hour enduro races with save points at pit stops would be tops.

[Cubby]

I agree with Bathurst, I've driven around it so many times, it'd be interesting to do it in a game (I've heard it's in others, but haven't played any of them). And more Holdens. :P

[turb06]

its in Grid but came out as DLC a long time after the game did.

[Shorty]

its in Grid but came out as DLC a long time after the game did.

It also only came out on PS3, for some reason.

[Cubby]

Bathurst was also in the original Forza yeah?

[Shorty]

Not exactly. There was a "Blue Mountains Raceway" circuit was based on the Mt. Panorama track, but AFAIK GRID was the only game to officially license it.

[Lazlow]

This generation at least >_>

[Cubby]

Blue Mts.? lol That's like bogan folk from Penriff thinking they live in the Blue Mts.

[TrinityJayOne]

This generation at least >_>
This! One of the original V8 Supercars games on PS2 had it.

I also shamefully agree that Kei cars would be a good inclusion, if only for the WORLD'S SLOWEST HILLCLIMB on Fujimi Kaido. >_>

My list of stuff-

-Bathurst!
-Night racing
-Better AI on Nurburgring. The AI can drive the same car and beat me on many tracks, but on put me on the Ring and I can win with a car from the next grade down.
-A wheel with clutch & H-gate that ISN'T made by a team of 3 people in Germany.

[enrique]

Spa for DLC please.

And also a proper visible pit crew and the ability to choose the amount of fuel and soft/harder tires in pitstops (hey if its in GT4 it can be done).

[Lazlow]

I also shamefully agree that Kei cars would be a good inclusion, if only for the WORLD'S SLOWEST HILLCLIMB on Fujimi Kaido.

And motorbikes so we can put Yamaha YZF-R1 engines in them! :D

[Clockw0rk]

Suzuki Cappucino, Evo III, Sil80 and EK Civic!
Then I can have all the Initial D cars in my garage :3

[turb06]

and a cup of coffee.

Just noticed that GT5 has the top gear test track. I guess that all but kills it off for forza.

[TrinityJayOne]

Of course the Top Gear test track amounts to a few cones on an open airfield and isn't particular exciting, nor suitable for racing because of the crossover. Let them have it! :)

[Lazlow]

I'm not all that fussed on the top gear track, its flat and would be shit for racing. Sure it'd be cool to run laps to see how you compare to the Stig's times, but its purely a novelty. General opinion amongst the Hyper Forza crew generally expressed disdain for the existing test tracks, so I can't see how Top Gear's would really differ.

I'd much rather Spa! Both current and classic versions. :D

[turb06]

i like running my own powerboard with the DLC cars and the top gear test track would suit that perfectly, agree it would be crap to race on. I would still welcome local leaderboards first though.

[Clockw0rk]

i like running my own powerboard with the DLC cars and the top gear test track would suit that perfectly, agree it would be crap to race on. I would still welcome local leaderboards first though.
Maple Valley suits me for DLC testing.

[Brilliantred219]

I agree Maple Valley makes an excellent test track.

[TrinityJayOne]

We all know my views on the matter so I won't repeat myself.











Nah screw it, Nurburgring or GTFO.

[Cubby]

I actually like the Nurburgring, even though I'm very average in Forza.

[Clockw0rk]

I also like the Nurburgring, but screw taking the Mini Couper round there when I just want to see how it drives.
(Intentional typo)

[Cubby]

I might go have a race now actually.

[TrinityJayOne]

Too many turns...
Too little testicles...

:D

[Shorty]

Has anyone tried this tip (http://www.forzacentral.com/forum/showthread.php?33049-Adjusting-The-Cockpit-View-By-DethThrasher-(How-To-Do-Video-Included)), yet? I've long felt that the cockpit view was a little too far forward I was googling for FM3 cockpit pics and found it. The only downside is that you apparently can't pan the camera around the cockpit in this mode.

[turb06]

Maple Valley suits me for DLC testing.

i actually do use maple valley as well as nurburgring stage A.

[TrinityJayOne]

Has anyone tried this tip (http://www.forzacentral.com/forum/showthread.php?33049-Adjusting-The-Cockpit-View-By-DethThrasher-(How-To-Do-Video-Included)), yet? I've long felt that the cockpit view was a little too far forward I was googling for FM3 cockpit pics and found it. The only downside is that you apparently can't pan the camera around the cockpit in this mode.
I tested it on the demo when it came out, didn't like it. The mirrors thing is frustrating on some cars, but I'd rather have a better view of what's infront of me and non-fisheye lens.

[Silverwolf]

I love this game. Currently still plodding along through season play, I'm at the R3 championship so far, trying to avoid using the FXX since its so ridiculous.

I found the Dodge Viper ACS you win at level 30something is stupidly awesome, I put the hemi V8 in it and AWD drivetrain (not sure if that was a good idea though) and it stomps pretty much everything at the S class level and still performs well at the R3 level.

Can't wait to connect up to Live and buy loads of DLC cars.

[TrinityJayOne]

Yep, the AWD-tuned Viper and the Audi S5 both dominate their respective class leaderboards on every track. Performance-wise they seem similar untuned, but parts tuning + being able to push them harder makes them dominate FWD and RWD.

Why did Korren give you her Xbox, btw?

[Cubby]

I used the FXX pretty much just for it's trophy event. I tend not to use a car after it's level 5 if I can help it.

Can someone tell me how a car goes faster in 5th gear than it does in 6th? I did up a monaro the other day, and had it on that massive oval track. It was doing about 300kph while reving high in 5th, then when it went to 6th the speed fell to about 280kph.

[TrinityJayOne]

Very easily, and GM cars are pretty notorious for doing it (Vipers, Corvettes and Monaros are prime examples). It's because the top gear is an overdrive designed for maintaining highway cruising speed while keeping the revs low, ie- it's a very tall ratio. At high speeds the engine won't be putting out enough torque to counter the drag and the car can't accelerate, and/or will slow down until the resistance balances torque perfectly and the speed remains constant. /physics

[Silverwolf]

Yep, the AWD-tuned Viper and the Audi S5 both dominate their respective class leaderboards on every track. Performance-wise they seem similar untuned, but parts tuning + being able to push them harder makes them dominate FWD and RWD.

Why did Korren give you her Xbox, btw?

She's letting me take it back with me cause I have loads of space and she'll be moving to Perth soon enough =)

[turb06]

Very easily, and GM cars are pretty notorious for doing it (Vipers, Corvettes and Monaros are prime examples). It's because the top gear is an overdrive designed for maintaining highway cruising speed while keeping the revs low, ie- it's a very tall ratio. At high speeds the engine won't be putting out enough torque to counter the drag and the car can't accelerate, and/or will slow down until the resistance balances torque perfectly and the speed remains constant. /physics

basically its a petrol saving gear.

[Brilliantred219]

If you want fix that 6th gear problem try this:
1st 3.10
2nd 2.10
3rd 1.65
4th 1.35
5th 1.15
6th 1.00
Then adjust your final drive so you're just below the rev limiter in 6th and you will find this works for just about every car you tune.

[TrinityJayOne]

If you want fix that 6th gear problem try this:
1st 3.10
2nd 2.10
3rd 1.65
4th 1.35
5th 1.15
6th 1.00
Then adjust your final drive so you're just below the rev limiter in 6th and you will find this works for just about every car you tune.
Good but car dependent! Cars with heaps of torque, like the Viper, tend to do better with taller ratios over the mid-range and less shifting. It also pays to make sure that each shift is putting you back at the start of the powerband so you aren't wasting potential, as not all cars fit the norm for their type. For example that new Mazdaspeed 3 from the DLC hits the powerband well before redline despite being a turbo'd 4cyl.

[HiredMan]

OK, my shoulder is sufficiently healed now, so I'm gonna break out the wheel and fire up Forza 3 this weekend, for the first time in months.

Will people be around? I'm thinking a few Saturday night races...

[REQUIEM]

Forza 4 stuff already.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VkOZSJMLXzc&feature=related

I want to use a wheel to play, I dont drive my car standing up waving my arms. I like the walking around looking at the car however.

[Brilliantred219]

Good but car dependent! Cars with heaps of torque, like the Viper, tend to do better with taller ratios over the mid-range and less shifting. It also pays to make sure that each shift is putting you back at the start of the powerband so you aren't wasting potential, as not all cars fit the norm for their type. For example that new Mazdaspeed 3 from the DLC hits the powerband well before redline despite being a turbo'd 4cyl.

I know what you mean but I have found these settings are a good starting point, then fine tune from there.

[TrinityJayOne]

OK, my shoulder is sufficiently healed now, so I'm gonna break out the wheel and fire up Forza 3 this weekend, for the first time in months.

Will people be around? I'm thinking a few Saturday night races...
I'm down, infact I should be about most of the weekend as the weather is gonna be shit. Might tune the new Mazdaspeed up tonight. :D

[Serenity]

She's letting me take it back with me cause I have loads of space and she'll be moving to Perth soon enough =)

Ugh, I so want it back now. You do realise you're going to have to get a racing wheel.

[Lazlow]

They're not worth the money tbh. They're not the greatest product, pretty fragile, and IIRC discontinued. It's damn shame as it's the only readily available wheel.

[Serenity]

Oh, that's a touch disappointing. Oh well, I'm sure he'll work something out.

[TrinityJayOne]

I reckon it's still miles ahead of a joypad, but yeah, hardly the best wheel ever invented. I would get far less enjoyment out of mine if I hadn't stiffened up the pedals.

Anyhoo, tuned the new Mazdaspeed3 up with full tires, LSD, suspension, muffler and sports turbo, then some drivetrain lightening to inch it up to 425PI. A lap of the Nurb put it a good 10sec behind my GTO, but that thing's an AWD beast so it's still a fair effort if you ask me. Great torque and solid handling, even though it manages to cock the inside rear nearly every time you brake hard into a turn. :D Pics!

http://members.iinet.net.au/~trinityjayone/forza/Mazspd1.jpg

http://members.iinet.net.au/~trinityjayone/forza/Mazspd2.jpg

http://members.iinet.net.au/~trinityjayone/forza/Mazspd3.jpg

http://members.iinet.net.au/~trinityjayone/forza/Mazspd4.jpg

[Silverwolf]

That's one happy looking car.

[enrique]

It smiles even when your off the track and heading towards a wall-a car of many talents.

[Brilliantred219]

Anyhoo, tuned the new Mazdaspeed3 up with full tires, LSD, suspension, muffler and sports turbo, then some drivetrain lightening to inch it up to 425PI. A lap of the Nurb put it a good 10sec behind my GTO, but that thing's an AWD beast so it's still a fair effort if you ask me. Great torque and solid handling, even though it manages to cock the inside rear nearly every time you brake hard into a turn. :D Pics!

I had a go at tuning this car. LSD, 6 speed transmission, Race tyres Sports suspension, sway bars, Rotary engine, turbo, exhaust and Rear wheel drive.
425PI Around the 'ring rolling start 9:07. I used C class world tour Old Le Sarth as my test bed. First try (Standard engine lots of handling tweaks RWD) shunted off the road running 5th on the second lap so I gave up.
Second try (Rotary added no turbo) finished 3rd behind the Evora and the Charger.
Third try (Swapped weight for a turbo and exhaust) finished 1st 50 meters ahead of the Evora.

In the a nice little car that sits equal top of my C class stable tied with my 2010 Golf R.

[Clockw0rk]

I have a painting project that I need to get started on, so Turbs' gift car should give me some motivation. This week's time trial (if people are interested) is the Furai on Laguna Seca. ABS is allowed, anything else should be turned off. I'll find something to cusom paint and gift to the winner.

[Serenity]

That's one happy looking car.

It's really more of an evil smile, IMO.

[TrinityJayOne]

I had a go at tuning this car. LSD, 6 speed transmission, Race tyres Sports suspension, sway bars, Rotary engine, turbo, exhaust and Rear wheel drive.
425PI Around the 'ring rolling start 9:07. I used C class world tour Old Le Sarth as my test bed. First try (Standard engine lots of handling tweaks RWD) shunted off the road running 5th on the second lap so I gave up.
Second try (Rotary added no turbo) finished 3rd behind the Evora and the Charger.
Third try (Swapped weight for a turbo and exhaust) finished 1st 50 meters ahead of the Evora.

In the a nice little car that sits equal top of my C class stable tied with my 2010 Golf R.
I was tempted to drop in the rotary, but the lack of torque deterred me as it makes the car! I did the C class Asian tour and was outgunning an R34 down the straights. :D

[Brilliantred219]

I understand what you mean about the torque. But in the end it didn't seem to make too much difference as I was out accelerating the Evora through the corners and only being caught towards the end of the Mulsanne straight, then I just pulled away on the return to the finish line.

[turb06]

Mazda Furai - 1:20.923 with no tuning at all.

i did do a 1:19.335 but for some reason it wasnt validated even though it was the cleanest lap i did. recon i can go an 1:18.5 with some tuning less than that if i bother to set the steering wheel up.

[HiredMan]

I'm gonna have a crack at this tonight, expect to be comprehensively whupped by turbs though :(

Does NismoR034 still post here? He was ****ing fast, that dude.

[TrinityJayOne]

I think he might be who they based M.Rossi on. :P

I really, really, really want the user-choice DLC already. First I'll do a HM and have about 5 different El Caminos! :D

Paintjob 1- General Lee
Paintjob 2- Nurb PD Squad car
Paintjob 3- SuperBee
Paintjob 4- ????
Paintjob 5- ????

[mcfustin]

I managed a 1:23.902 in the Furai - no tuning and I haven't played Forza for a while, so not too unhappy with that - was still getting used to the track and car, so I might be able to push that some more. Unfortunately I'm not much of a driver :o

[turb06]

I'm gonna have a crack at this tonight, expect to be comprehensively whupped by turbs though :(

Does NismoR034 still post here? He was ****ing fast, that dude.

I could never beat Nismo in a lap time comp, could in a race but he is way to precise with his lines.

[Clockw0rk]

I think he might be who they based M.Rossi on. :P

I really, really, really want the user-choice DLC already. First I'll do a HM and have about 5 different El Caminos! :D

Paintjob 1- General Lee
Paintjob 2- Nurb PD Squad car
Paintjob 3- SuperBee
Paintjob 4- ????
Paintjob 5- ????

4 - Flame decals, chrome wheels
5 - COUNTRY AND WESTERN IS RUBBISH

[Creedy]

I decided to play some more Forza 3 and just did a 9 lap race around Silverstone with a Dodge Viper 08. Best lap was 1:47:387, no idea if it's any good or not.

That race felt like an endurance, my fingers are sore.
:(

[Shorty]

Which version of Silverstone was it?

[Creedy]

The longer version for sure, I'm racing the shorter version now with a Koenigsegg CCGT.

Almost impossible to drive with digital face buttons. lol

[turb06]

The longer version for sure, I'm racing the shorter version now with a Koenigsegg CCGT.

Almost impossible to drive with digital face buttons. lol


i only switched from the digital face buttons recently and my times with a control pad are pretty much on par with the steering wheel now. cant believe i went this long using the buttons for brake and accelerator.

[Shorty]

Almost impossible to drive with digital face buttons. lol

Koenigseggs are almost impossible to drive period.

i only switched from the digital face buttons recently and my times with a control pad are pretty much on par with the steering wheel now. cant believe i went this long using the buttons for brake and accelerator.

I just use the default control scheme for FM3 (the triggers). Has worked fine for me, although I'm considering switching Shift Up from B to A like Shift does for more immediate gear changes.

[enrique]

Koenigseggs are almost impossible to drive period.



They are difficult to drive but not impossible, I've got a R2 899 tune from somewhere and its still touchy out of corners but then again that's me with the heavy foot lol. Not the fastest car but sounds good and keeps you on your toes.

[Creedy]

Playing Forza 3 the past few nights, it's an interesting beast. I enjoy playing it yet find it extremely boring at the same time. The AI is incredibly lame and constantly knock me off the track if I break too early on a corner. Then when you re-do events you can use any class car and annihilate the opposition.

As to what people were saying in the other thread, when I was braking early. The AI was quite the distance behind me and would "realistically" have more then enough time to swerve and avoid me. They follow a basic line though and ram straight into me, it's because they are so far behind me and the force so strong that I go colliding off the track completely.

Car AI is never going to be good in car games. They will never be perfectly balanced either.

[Lazlow]

Car AI is never going to be good in car games.

Grand Prix 4; play it.

[Shorty]

That's enough about your superior PC simulations! This is a console sim argument, dammit! :p

[Lazlow]

It's 10 years old! :p

Plus its ridculously coded. Crammond wrote the original engine when GPUs weren't common place, so it relied on CPU grunt. 4 editions later, and he never changed it. Out-of-the box my P4 2.8Ghz can run it with relatively high settings, but mod the cars to a more recent season, and the more complex car shapes and higher resolution textures cause it to chug like a mofo.

[enrique]

R1 and Fujimi Kaido= still a bad idea. Even with the Dyson Spyder which handles brilliantly.

[Silverwolf]

R1 and Fujimi Kaido= still a bad idea. Even with the Dyson Spyder which handles brilliantly.

Who cares, Fujimi Kaido is super fun!

Fujimi Kaido and Nurburgring are the best tracks by far, imo~

[TrinityJayOne]

Someone is playing with assists! If you play the game like a man, eg- no assists, then R1 cars are ridiculous on FK.

[Silverwolf]

Are people who drive using the TCS assist noobs?

[Lazlow]

Yes, very much so. And ABS.

[Silverwolf]

Sweet.

[Cubby]

I'm a noob, but ABS is the first thing I turn off.

[turb06]

Abs ftw

[Silverwolf]

***ken loev abs~

[TrinityJayOne]

The driving model is incredibly more fun without these things! Not having ABS makes you think more rather than just slamming your foot into the ground when you wanna slow down.

[Clockw0rk]

New car pack next week, I assume it's the Jalopnik one since spy photos haven't been posted yet this week?

[Brilliantred219]

I run TCS and auto clutch only (because I can't afford a Fanatec wheel) except with AWD then no TCS and always in car view so every car has that individual feel.

[HiredMan]

I run with all assits off in (bar clutch because the MS wheel has no middle pedal). I will use ABS if others are though

[Lazlow]

NEVARRRRRRRRRRRR!

I only use auto-clutch, because I'm playing with a gamepad ffs.

[Clockw0rk]

I use ABS and auto-clutch, I switch ABS off if I've got the wheel out though.

[HiredMan]

I use ABS and auto-clutch, I switch ABS off if I've got the wheel out though.

I find non-ABS braking much harder with the wheel than I do with a controller for some reason.

[Lazlow]

Funnily enough, I think I want to get the MS Wheel now. >_>

Not because of Forza 3, but NASCAR 09. You need really subtle steering inputs to smoothly run an oval, and its difficult to be that subtle with the gamepad stick.

[Clockw0rk]

I find non-ABS braking much harder with the wheel than I do with a controller for some reason.I find accelerator control easier with the controller, and brake control easier with the wheel. :/

[TrinityJayOne]

New car pack next week, I assume it's the Jalopnik one since spy photos haven't been posted yet this week?
They do it through facebook now. I saw it mentioned in the latest pitpass but I don't recall the dates. Fingers are crossed but I'm not expecting it just yet. They'd make more of a commotion.

[Clockw0rk]

Yeah but I hadn't seen anything on Facebook :p
Guess I was a bit too eager, checked again and the spy shots should be up soon if they're not already.

[enrique]

I've never used any assists except for ABS. I'ved tried going without it but my braking foot is too heavy and I end up flying off into the scenery-doh! I find the game much more fun if I'm sideways through corners even if my laptimes suffer.

I'm surprised nothing has been shown about this month's car pack-I'm guessing its the Jalopnik one too?

[enrique]

Scratch the Jalopnik pack, just looked at facebook to see the first spyshot and apparently it looks like a Mitsubishi Colt CZ3, so it cant be the Jalopnik pack. Hopefully theres an option to throw the EVO engine in it :D :D. Would like to see the McLaren MP4-12C at some stage.

And looking at the second shot it could be the C63 AMG-which would be utterly awesome as I love that car-it really should've been in the game since day one replacing the two old Mercedes which have been in Forza 2.

[Clockw0rk]

MP4-12C is all but confirmed, seeing as it showed up on the leaked DLC list months back.

[TrinityJayOne]

Some form of Ford Falcon is also quite popular with the official forum crowd. It's pic no.3, however, that I'm most interested in so far.

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs148.snc4/36744_443573219601_502719601_6003018_3414052_n.jpg

Doesn't really look like much, but that's because it's upsidedown!


http://members.iinet.net.au/~trinityjayone/CTSV.jpg

Looks like a bonnet (wiper nozzle) + side vent, no? The lighting supports it and the reflection of clouds all but locks it in. So, what is it?


http://members.iinet.net.au/~trinityjayone/CTSV2.jpg

Pitching a tent so hard right now. (Note for Clockwork, it could just as easily be the AWD Estate)

[Clockw0rk]

Pitching a tent so hard right now. (Note for Clockwork, it could just as easily be the AWD Estate)
If only :( Not holding my breath though.

[Silverwolf]

That is the chunkiest coupe ever.

[TrinityJayOne]

Yeah, the coupes made by the high-end. saloon-loving brands are quite often just a full-size body with the rear doors removed (see the Audi S5). This car in particular is just a CTS-V (it will be the V for sure) with the B-pillars removed and a bit of sexiness at the back.

[Clockw0rk]

A local dealership has imported a whole lot of CTSs, but no CTS-Vs.
I absolutely love the CTS-V but the coupe just does everything wrong :(

Anyone up for an "Ugly-Ass heavy Coupes" race when the DLC gets released? We've got the S5, CTS Coupe, Bentley and probably a few others that I'm forgetting.

(In before GT-Four Celica :p)

[HiredMan]

Yeah I'm keen for that. Bags the Benters SS.... the SS is in the game yeah? I'm so outta the loop :(

[TrinityJayOne]

It is, and it's fantastic to drive!

[enrique]

Apparently the list of this months car pack has been leaked on the marketplace

Acura TSX V6
Cadillac CTS-V Coupe
Citroen DS3
FIAT Punto Evo Sport
Kia Forte Koup
Mazda 2
Mercedes-Benz C63 AMG :D
Mercedes-Benz CL 65 AMG
McLaren MP4-12C :D :D
Mitsubishi Colt Ralliart

Not officially confirmed but ties in with what has been seen in the facebook shots.

[HiredMan]

McLaren MP4-12C

Awesome.

Completely meh about all the others. I guess the C63 will be fun.....

[Lazlow]

Mazda 2 with a 13B... I can dig it.

[HiredMan]

So, I was messing around with Forza the other day and I discovered that with the 911 Sport Classic, not only can you swap the 500hp 3.4l v8 from the RS Spyder, but you can also put in the 605hp 5.7l v10 from the Carrera GT!

The 3.4l is lighter than the stock flat 6, so actually improves the weight distributuon too. I dont thing the CGT's v10 is that much heavier than the stock 3.8l flat 6, would be damn interesting to see how it performs with the CGT engine swap....

[Shorty]

So, I was messing around with Forza the other day and I discovered that with the 911 Sport Classic, not only can you swap the 500hp 3.4l v8 from the RS Spyder, but you can also put in the 605hp 5.7l v10 from the Carrera GT!

The 3.4l is lighter than the stock flat 6, so actually improves the weight distributuon too. I dont thing the CGT's v10 is that much heavier than the stock 3.8l flat 6, would be damn interesting to see how it performs with the CGT engine swap....

The V8 in the Ruf RGT-8 (http://www.autoblog.com/2010/03/03/geneva-2010-ruf-rgt-8-v8-porsche-911/) is 36kg lighter than the standard flat six.

[TrinityJayOne]

Awesome.

Completely meh about all the others. I guess the C63 will be fun.....
Looks ok to me! Pretty sure that DS3 is the hatch they showed during the news on Top Gear the other night. The Fiat is pretty good too, although there's an Abarth variant that would obviously be preferred.

Guess I'll be waiting at least another month to tear it up in the El Camino SS. :(

[Clockw0rk]

The CTS-V coupe comes in manual, very unexpected!
Respect +1
Still ugly.

[TrinityJayOne]

It's also going to escape my 500PI sports saloon/coupe garage at 511PI stock. :( On the plus side, two new AMGs will be joining the fray! :D

Looks like a decent pack to me with a nice assortment of low-end cars that we haven't seen in a while. Hooray for finally having a Punto. :)

[Clockw0rk]

Waiting for Trin's Monthly DLC Review...

[TrinityJayOne]

I was up too late throwing the hatches around Fujimi Kaido to drive them all! Tonight I'll be busy painting up a mock DS3-R, so here's the quick version.

Maclaren is floaty, CTS-V is great but no AWD swap = :( , hatches are fun, the AMG coupe is a pig to drive. Pick so far is the DS3.

[Shorty]

This week's Time Trials are on - Regal GNX on Ladera and Maple Valley SLR. I've managed 1:00.571 and 1:37.607, respectively.

[TrinityJayOne]

Still haven't tried all the cars! Painted up my DS3 as best I could but didn't make a real go of it as half the things you need aren't possible (painting chrome parts, painting the mirrors (it has chrome/plastic ones apparently), decent rims).

Also, anyone else feel the Maclaren is a bit of a letdown? It's pretty and all, but both the Murcielago SV and 458 Italia are 5sec+ quicker on the Nurb without really trying, and both have lower PIs. It just doesn't hug the road as well as it looks like it should.

[TrinityJayOne]

So, move over Citroen DS3, the Colt Ralliart is my new favorite car of this pack. >_>

It's probably not the fastest in its class, but there is an awful lot of fun packed into that tiny car. While often still enjoyable, most of the low-power FWDs seem very tame, but the Colt is a right little bastard. The powerband is 130+ horses @ everywhereRPM, and it makes this well known every time you dare turn the wheel while accelerating as it appears to have an open diff. :D The body looks like it's perched up quite high, but even with wheelspin it turns very well, infact I swear I was close to rolling it on Fujimi Kaido. :o

Speaking of which, the track is a blast in this thing. On the uphill it kicks & screams out of every turn, then on the downhill it skitters about like a frightened mouse on ice. :D

But enough yapping, here's a nicely timed picture-

http://members.iinet.net.au/~trinityjayone/forza/colt2.jpg


Not Ralliart enough!

http://members.iinet.net.au/~trinityjayone/forza/colt1.jpg

Much better! Gave it new rims, suspension, weight reduction and a flywheel to put it at 275PI - I didn't dare give it tires/more power and change the way it drives. Here's a quick vid of it in action (best viewed on youtube itself for HD).

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Love that exhaust note and the wheel lock on downshift near the end!

[Shorty]

This week's Deal of the Week is 40% off five car and track packs for Forza 3. That puts them at 240 points each so if you haven't picked any of them up yet, get cracking. There's also this week's VIP gift car being a custom tuned and painted Celica SS-I, as well as the new VIP Community Car program that'll start giving community tuned and painted cars as gift cars.

[adam_91vn]

Haven't played this in a while. Never played online before.

Played with a couple of mates on Tuesday night. Datsuns around nurumberg, also some drifting.

Top fun

[enrique]

Forza 3 Ultimate collection possibly? As leaked by BadNed on forzacentral

The German ratings board USK has revealed a new title in the Forza Motorsport series called "Forza Ultimate Collection". Soon after they removed that entry from their website, but you can still check out a screen capture below.

At the moment there is no official announcement from Microsoft/Turn 10 regarding such a compilation so we don't know what this collection might include. It could be everything from a complete Forza Motorsport 3 with all the DLC to a collection of all 3 Forza Motorsport titles or even a remake of the original FM.

Whatever it will be you can be sure more info will become available soon so stay tuned.


Im guessing its the game and all the dlc thus far.

[TrinityJayOne]

Im guessing its the game and all the dlc thus far.
It'll be this. Isn't the 1yr anniversary of our favorite racer approaching?

[TrinityJayOne]

So monthly car packs ended last month, bit late on that bombshell T10. :\ They say they aren't dead, just won't be monthly anymore, so hopefully the Jalopnik pack isn't dead. We can all thank the "Next Big Thing" (aka Kinect integration) for this, as that's what they're focusing development time on.

[Clockw0rk]

8PM AEST, B-Class, Fujimi Kaido and 'Ring? I'll be online if anyone's keen for a race.

[TrinityJayOne]

I'll give it a go but I don't see it working for me. Damn this router. :(

[Shorty]

FYI, latest time trial challenge is the Mechburg Challenge. '91 CR-X around Silverstone Grand Prix. Current leader time is 2:12.785. Good luck. :cool:

Also, today's the last day of the 40% off special on selected car and track packs.

Oh, and HiredMan - this one's for you (http://forzamotorsport.net/en-us/game/gallery/detail/default.htm?photoid=11929203).

[Creedy]

What's this about 40% off?

[Shorty]

Look about eight or nine posts back.

[Creedy]

Look about eight or nine posts back.

The trck pack is basically only good for online play right?

[Clockw0rk]

It's not bad but I'd give it a miss, sadly it's standalone and doesn't extend the Nordschliefe to include the GP circuit.

COCKING BUGGER SHIT

I'm capped.
FAAAAK.

See you guys next week, internet will have reset by then.

[Shorty]

The trck pack is basically only good for online play right?

That and time trials or freeplay. None of the DLC tracks include career mode events.

[Creedy]

Darn, bought the car packs though, cheap as chips so why not. Now if the other 3 car packs would drop in price too.

[TrinityJayOne]

It's not bad but I'd give it a miss, sadly it's standalone and doesn't extend the Nordschliefe to include the GP circuit.

COCKING BUGGER SHIT

I'm capped.
FAAAAK.

See you guys next week, internet will have reset by then.
I'm down, got my Net problems sorted. Finally got around to buying a router when new housemate moved in a few weeks back, and everything but Xboxes worked fine (BT, WoW, etc). Even with just one Xbox I was getting moderate NAT. :\ Housemate's PS3 was doing the same thing. This was using the exact same settings I used on my old Linksys router, and the ****ing thing is even "Live certified" by MS (old one wasn't).

Anyhoo, after trying a few other things tonight and somehow managing to brick my modem temporarily (a scary 10mins I assure you), I installed a custom firmware and now straight away the corrrect settings are working flawlessly. *shrug*

Next weekend sometime I humbly request a 275PI showdown, as I want to tear it up in my Colt.

[Clockw0rk]

I'll have a 275PI GT-Four ready to tear your Colt a new one.

[TrinityJayOne]

Deal. No Forza aero preferred btw! Is this something you've already been working on? I'm not sure you'd get much out of a GT-Four. Time to go take some happy snaps.

[Clockw0rk]

I've got a 275PI GT-Four but it's not super great, more built for long tracks. If I can't get anything good out of it during the week I'll do an Altezza or an ITR instead.

[TrinityJayOne]

Just took a few pics on Positano R and made a short vid of some awesome tire deformation (best to click and view in HD).

http://members.iinet.net.au/~trinityjayone/forza/colt3.jpg

Just stepping out for some air!


http://members.iinet.net.au/~trinityjayone/forza/colt4.jpg

Same moment, different angle.


http://members.iinet.net.au/~trinityjayone/forza/colt5.jpg

Is someone shooting a Toyota commercial or something?!


http://members.iinet.net.au/~trinityjayone/forza/colt6.jpg

http://members.iinet.net.au/~trinityjayone/forza/colt7.jpg

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More pics to come as I had to cut it short earlier.

[Clockw0rk]

Just noticed how close the wheels are to the corners of the car, that thing must have the manoeuvrability of a mongoose.

Probably won't go for a GT-Four against it...

[TrinityJayOne]

Indeed. The only problem is the inside wheel spinning, but it's too much fun to "fix" and even if I did it would just understeer when on the power (something that it avoids quite well at the moment).

[JC Henderson]

Bennett Ring just tweeted about these
http://www.wheelstandpro.com.au/
I'm sure many of the enthusiasts here have one but damn it looks good. I hate playing with the wheel on my lap and this looks to make Forza the comfortable experience that I yearn for.

[Lazlow]

Is that support pole centrally located? Looks like it'd make a 3 pedal setup awkward... not that its a concern as the XBOX wheel is 2 pedal.

Still, good find. More practical than some rigs I've seen.

[JC Henderson]

Yeah I could see that getting in the way with three pedals but I am a simple man with a simple xbox wheel so its a purchase for me. It is expensive but tax returns have to be spent on something.

Heres some vids of it being used

http://wheelstandpro.com/videos.html

Also Aus site sold out but I am going to enquire about import.

[Brilliantred219]

If your looking for a wheel stand
https://www.officeworks.com.au/retail/products/Furniture/Desks/Computer-Desks/SLMANTRA
I modded one of these and works fine with both my Microsoft and Logitech G25.

[Clockw0rk]

If your looking for a wheel stand
https://www.officeworks.com.au/retail/products/Furniture/Desks/Computer-Desks/SLMANTRA
I modded one of these and works fine with both my Microsoft and Logitech G25.
That's a pretty awesome idea, I should see if something similar is available over here.

[NiB]

So this games pretty cheap now and I loved the first 3 Gran Turismo's especially the set up of getting licence's and racing through the different classes.

There isn't going to be another Forza out this generation is there ? As I'd just wait for it. How hard is it/long does it take to start getting some decent cars and what sort of changes can you make to ones you buy (mechanical and cosmetic)

I've been tempted to get this for ages

[enrique]

There isn't going to be another Forza out this generation is there ? As I'd just wait for it. How hard is it/long does it take to start getting some decent cars and what sort of changes can you make to ones you buy (mechanical and cosmetic)


There maybe a Forza Ultimate edition later out this year-think Forza 3 with all DLC etc think GOTY edition.

[NiB]

Ill have to check that out. Been going back through the thread for peoples impressions and am sold on the game.

[TrinityJayOne]

It is a brilliant game, but yes, the rumoured ultimate edition would be worth waiting for.

[TrinityJayOne]

Just watched the telemovie pilot of the 2008 Knight Rider remake. Shit ratings be damned, I loves me some B-grade hi-tech action and found it plenty enjoyable. :) Now I need to make that damned DLC Mustang drivable and paint it black.

[Shorty]

That'd be the 2010 GT500, right?

[TrinityJayOne]

Yep, although the exact model used isn't in the game. I just reckon the 2010 one looks better.

[enrique]

Forza Motorsport 3 Ultimate Collection listed on OFLC website.

http://www.classification.gov.au/www/cob/find.nsf/5b6ebdff7f5b9a24ca2575ca00062226/265bc6c662051eadca257784005d6c5d!OpenDocument

[Lazlow]

I was playing Forza 3 today when I noticed some things that REALLY detracted from the realism of the game and just seemed like T10 took the day off on these things:

1. I noticed that the weight reduction is not really shown visually. The rear seat removal is NONEXISTANT. Also in a lot of cars the passenger seats stay.
2. The brake disk textures are terrible, if they are even there. For example, I was driving the 2006(?) Civic SI and the brake disk and caliper is a flat grey. The caliper does not even look like it is a separate part; it seems "welded" to the disk. Even on the Maserati MC12, it is very poor; the only difference is that the "caliper" is black with the word "Maserati" on it.
3. The interior textures are terrible. I decided to do a car that I own and drive on a regular basis: 1971 Datsun 510. That car interior in the game would be rated a C- by my standards. The parts are there, but they are modeled wrong. My car has a tach, but my dad has a 510 w/o the tach, so I know what the interior looks like bone stock. The side mirrors and the center mirror is wrong also.

Some things I just thought of about playing Forza

[enrique]

I was playing Forza 3 today when I noticed some things that REALLY detracted from the realism of the game and just seemed like T10 took the day off on these things:

1. I noticed that the weight reduction is not really shown visually. The rear seat removal is NONEXISTANT. Also in a lot of cars the passenger seats stay.
2. The brake disk textures are terrible, if they are even there. For example, I was driving the 2006(?) Civic SI and the brake disk and caliper is a flat grey. The caliper does not even look like it is a separate part; it seems "welded" to the disk. Even on the Maserati MC12, it is very poor; the only difference is that the "caliper" is black with the word "Maserati" on it.
3. The interior textures are terrible. I decided to do a car that I own and drive on a regular basis: 1971 Datsun 510. That car interior in the game would be rated a C- by my standards. The parts are there, but they are modeled wrong. My car has a tach, but my dad has a 510 w/o the tach, so I know what the interior looks like bone stock. The side mirrors and the center mirror is wrong also.

Some things I just thought of about playing Forza
1. In at least one car (which one it is I dont remember but race weight reduction takes the drivers seat out as well-what are they sitting on? A milk crate?

2. I havent looked at brakes lately so I'll have to check this out for myself.

3. Speaking of interiors, nothing pisses me off more then buying a racecar to find the digital dash and shift lights dont work, they work in some cars and not in others. Not amused Turn Ten. :(

I'm not a fan of the colors either, it just looks so dull with so many shades of grey, so plastic and sterile unlike the incar in some other racers, its a shame you couldnt choose to paint some parts of the interior

[Lazlow]

There are several things about this game that I cannot stand.

- Outside of the real world tracks, most of the tracks feel like a game course. They are better then F2, but still lack that believable feeling.
- The Class system in game is nearly completely broken. Taking a D class automobile and wanting to race spec it out shouldn't take to A class. Take a look at real world racing for example.
- Adding racing tires to a car can take a car out of class. Why? It does nothing but ruin the competitiveness of the cars.
- The permanent auto steer (I drive with all assists off) is something I do not like fighting. It's fine that Turn 10 attempted to please everyone, but come on! Don't force me to use it!
- It seems the transmission automatically sets itself to the track. Every track my GT500 was driven on seemed to set my gears just where they needed to be. Something I want to do.
- The AWD conversion system has unbalanced the game. Leaderboard lap times have been ruined. Still shocked that Turn 10 did this.
- Certain Race parts make your car worse in the in-game point system. Adding aerodynamics shouldn't hurt you car. Installing race parts should make your car worse in the point system.

In my book, these are not minor issues. These are deal breakers to me, and it seems millions of others. Forza 3 has sold less then half of Forza 2. I believe reasons such as I posted are why.

[Surgeon.]

Your posts sound like those generic 'I can make a better game than Turn 10' threads that pop up occasionally on the Forza forums.

[Lazlow]

Copy pasta from the Forza section on the GTPlanet forums :D

[Shorty]

Man, that'll require some serious "equalising".

[Lazlow]

Be thankful we only have one Creedy. Whilst the section has a lot of fans of Forza posting, there's also a plethora of shit stirring Creedies. :p

[HiredMan]

I actually thought that Creedy had hacked your account, until I realised that those posts were far to technical to be put together by him :)

[Cubby]

I ****ing knew that was creedy bait. lol

[HiredMan]

Your posts sound like those generic 'I can make a better game than Turn 10' threads that pop up occasionally on the Forza forums.

My ***** :D

[Silverwolf]

Those people can't physics for shit. God****indamn.

What an amazing thing to whine about, brake calipers.

[StorminNorman]

Besides, pretty much all of those things can be put down to tradeoffs between realism and performance. The 360 only has so much processing power to go around, and Forza 3 seems to push it pretty hard.

[Lazlow]

If there's one thing I'd like to see in Forza 4, it's works conversions (like in NFS Shift).

Thought I'd make some WRC cars today, first up the Citroen C4 WRC. No option for an AWD conversion. Bugger.

So I try the Focus. Forza wing is placed above the rear window and not off the boot. >_<

Wrestling games may not include certain wrestlers, but the CAW modes usually include the bits and pieces to make them yourself. I wish that was a mindset Turn 10 adopted.

Oh well, at least I got a decent BTCC Airwaves BMW replica made. Even if I had to use the 125i (as there's no 320si).

[enrique]

So I try the Focus. Forza wing is placed above the rear window and not off the boot. >_<

The only hatchback that pulls that off is the Civic Type R (and the Mugen version), on most other hatches it looks like its just been tacked on which is a shame.

I was racing the 34 lap Road Atlanta enduro recently and on the first lap I was turning through the right hander that leads onto the looong back straight in my Charger and Rossi tried to divebomb up the inside. All of sudden he was across the right side of my car so- I simply kept going and spun him around and off the track, dropping him to last place. I like to be a clean racer but when it comes to Rossi there are no rules....:)

[StorminNorman]

Holy crap, my Dad was actually racing online just now.

He did pretty well, too, but he kind of got frustrated at the fact that the other guys would just ram the crap out of him at the start of the race.

[Shorty]

Yeah, that'll happen sometimes. People can be real dicks on the Internet.

[enrique]

Big announcement coming from Turn Ten on Wednesday (US time I guess).

Probably just going to be Forza 3 Ultimate Edition, including the Jalopnik pack perhaps? We all know about Forza 4 and all so that couldnt be it.

[TrinityJayOne]

They talked it up in the latest pitpass, so it better not be some useless crap like that. If it is I'm going to to punt a baby.

[enrique]

Announcement delayed until tomorrow at earliest. Not surprised coming from Turn Ten :rolleyes:

[Creedy]

hmmmmm
Top Gear

So who's giving who ideas now?

[Xanafalgue]

hmmmmm
Top Gear

So who's giving who ideas now?

http://assets.vg247.com/current//2009/06/polyphonyturn101b.jpg

[freeradical]

BAM!!

"You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to LARZ again."

[Lazlow]

Stig's car pack looks pretty sweet. Not fussed about much else.

[HiredMan]

Link pl0x

[Lazlow]

Forza boasts "long-term" Top Gear deal (http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2010-09-30-forza-boasts-long-term-top-gear-deal)

The first fruits of the Top Gear-Forza love-in will be evident in a new Forza 3 Ultimate Collection, which is due out on 29th October.

Said fruits will entail 90 minutes of edited Top Gear telly, access to Stig's Garage Car Pack - The Koenigsegg CCX, LEXUS LFA, and Mercedes Benz SLS-AMG - and an Xbox Live Top Gear theme. No way!

[HiredMan]

Oh, the SLS is quite a coup, seeing as it's the GT5 covergirl... Actually the whole Top Gear thing is quite a coup. Polyphony has been promoting it's Top Gear affiliation pretty heavily.

The LFA is such an awesome car, can't wait to belt it round the 'ring. Those cars (actually, I'd be happy with just the LFA) better be available as DLC.

[Lazlow]

better be available as DLC

They'd have to be, time delayed at the worst. Even the free shit that came with the special edition on release was up on Live as DLC.

[lex3191]

Are they going to include the Top Gear test track?

[Shorty]

Lazlow: I thought that was only for charity to help Haiti or something. Did that become permanent?

[enrique]

Are they going to include the Top Gear test track?

Maybe in the future. Forza 4 perhaps?

I dont have much of the DLC so I'd be keen to pick this up.

Would like to know a release date though, although if its after November 4 then it maybe too little too late.

[Lazlow]

Any news on that Jalopnik car pack we all voted for?

[Clockw0rk]

When Jalopnik did their tour of Turn 10 back at the start of the year there were a couple of shots of cars from the pack being tested.
So, hopefully it'll eventuate. Christmas?

[enrique]

Any news on that Jalopnik car pack we all voted for?

I think some of the cars from that pack will be part of the ultimate edition-I think thats all.


Forza Motorsport 3 Ultimate Collection will also include seven new car models, including:

Lancia 037 Stradale
Jaguar D-Type
Plymouth Cuda
Audi R8 5.2 FSI Quattro
Audi TT RS Coupe
Audi R15 TDI
Porsche 550A Spyder



Well at least we get the 037 and the 550a :confused:

[HiredMan]

2 best cars on that list anyway.

[TrinityJayOne]

They won't cancel it, the backlash would be phenomenal. Also, we already have the 'Cuda, R8 and TT RS now.

[enrique]

They won't cancel it, the backlash would be phenomenal. Also, we already have the 'Cuda, R8 and TT RS now.

The backlash is already pretty bad. Been on fm.net lately?

[TrinityJayOne]

That's what I mean, and this is with promises that it is definitely coming.

[Lazlow]

Yeah just a quick look through the forums and they were bitching back in April and a few were giving Turn 10 a September ultimatum.

[Cubby]

lol, Or they'll what? Bitch some more?

[Lazlow]

I think one post simply said "Goodbye Turn 10, hello Polyphony". :p

[Cubby]

They probably read that, look at each other, laugh, then say "they'll still buy F4".

[enrique]

ozgameshop have the Forza 3 Ultimate Collection for preorder for $37. Sold.

[enrique]

Trailer for Top Gear video that comes with Forza Ultimate Collection.

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Nothing new, but some good stuff in there worth watching again.

[enrique]

News on 2nd Jalopnik pack

Recently, we’ve seen a lot of speculation about the status of the second Jalopnik add-on pack and I wanted to clarify some things.

On the most recent episode of the Forza Pitpass Podcast, we mentioned that our car production schedule had changed in order to accommodate the upcoming release of the Forza Motorsport 3 Ultimate Collection. Essentially, we moved ten cars (including the three cars that make up the Stig’s Garage Pack) up in order to include exclusive content in the Ultimate Collection. As a result, the Jalopnik pack was pushed back in our production schedule.

Currently our intention is to make the second Jalopnik pack the next available add-on pack. Though we are targeting December, we haven’t announced a specific release date for a number of reasons, the most important of which is that the content has yet to be submitted or passed through certification. Essentially, we don’t want to promise a release date if we’re not 100 percent certain we can meet that goal.

[HiredMan]

we don’t want to promise a release date if we’re not 100 percent certain we can meet that goal.

Now there's a novel idea!

[enrique]

Now there's a novel idea!

lol Im guessing January maybe? At least they've come out and said something which is more then what they've done in the past.

Oh well at least I'll get my hands on the 037 and the 550 Spyder sometime in the next couple of weeks (and the LFA :D)

[Shorty]

The latest time trial (http://forums.forzamotorsport.net/blogs/turn_10s_forza_motorsport_blog/archive/2010/10/22/forza-motorsport-3-week-in-review-10-22.aspx) may win you the Stig's Garage DLC.

[enrique]

Didnt need to win a time trial to get Stigs Garage DLC just complained about FUC getting delayed and got gifted a code from a Turn Ten member bizzarely enough on forzacentral.

So I downloaded these last night and I gotta say Im impressed.

The Koenigsegg CCX is not the handful I expected it to be but its still one fast car, in stock form it can do 240mph down the Mulsanne Straight. Crap brakes though. Although I gotta say where's the newer car, the Agera?

The LFA at 360,000cr looks stunning and sounds freaken awesome (engine noise is similar to the Porsche Carrera GT), driving through the tunnels in Fujimi Kaido has never sounded so good. The car itself is begging for a Ridge Racer style livery. As far as handling goes this would be the pick of the three.

The SLS sounds great too, a real AMG V8 rumble, sounds very angry but refined at the same time, not as raw as the Panoz. The car is very tail happy and is great for sliding around in. It is 270,000cr.

I'd have to say the Lexus is the pick of the three although I really enjoy the SLS too and although the Koenigsegg is fast Im not persudaded to actually drop 550,000cr on it.

[HiredMan]

Yep, the LFA was always gonna be the most impressive out of those three.

Is this DLC gonna be available to purchase in the future?

Also:

Also, how funny would it be if Turn 10 managed to get the SLS into Forza 3 before this comes out? That'd put a nice big dent in...oh, right.

Confirmed! Hahahahahaha :D

[enrique]

DLC should be available to buy sometime, I cant see Turn Ten not doing that. Already there are tons of people pissed off that they cant get it on the marketplace.

As for SLS in Forza 3 beating GT5, I was actually thinking that last night and had a chuckle. Not to mention you can convert the SLS to AWD (blasphemy) and put the CLK GTR's V12 into it.

The SLS and LFA are aural porn, even a blind man would enjoy driving them.

[TrinityJayOne]

You lucky bastard! is all I have to say on this matter. :D

[Shorty]

Turn 10 just put a "Sampler" of the Ultimate Collection for download from the Marketplace. The bastards.

[TrinityJayOne]

What might this include? Just one car, or a timed demo or something?

[HiredMan]

What might this include? Just one car, or a timed demo or something?

I'm guessing 1 DLC car and models for all the others so you dont see the dreaded green blobs when you''re racing them.

[enrique]

Ze sample car is the Porsche 550A.

Still waiting for my copy of FUC to land in my mailbox. :mad:

[HiredMan]

Yay! Might actually be spurred to get back into this. Only really stopped playing as it was painful to use mah wheel with the ol' snapped collarbone.

[TrinityJayOne]

Whoa hold up there...wasn't the 550A the crusty old sports model that was gonna be in the user-voted DLC? Could we be getting it soon perhaps?!

PS- I LOVE crusty old sports models! I know what I'm doing when I get home :D

[Shorty]

I would've preferred the Hemi 'Cuda as the crusty old model, myself.

[enrique]

So my copy of the FUC turned up in the mail. :D :D Lanica is very grippy, similar to the RS200 but with less understeer but less power.

[HiredMan]

This wouldnt be the Lancia Delta S4 turbocharged, supercharged Group B hooligan would it?

[TrinityJayOne]

Nah, the Stradale 037.

[HiredMan]

Still cool, but wont do 0-100km/h in under 2.5 seconds on gravel like the S4 :(

[enrique]

This wouldnt be the Lancia Delta S4 turbocharged, supercharged Group B hooligan would it?

I wish. Oh well an 037 is no bad second prize. Needs more power though-what am I Clarkson?

[HiredMan]

Ye, the Stradales are the road versions of the rally cars (the homologation models), so obv. less power than the rally car.

FWIW the 037 is a much sexier looking car than the Delta S4

[Shorty]

I still prefer the S4, if only because of how batshit insane it is. ;)

[enrique]

Community Choice Car Pack coming on December 14 for 400MS. Content unknown. But likely to be remainder of the 2nd Jalopnik pack plus other stuff.

[TrinityJayOne]

About ****ing time.

[igotnewsuper8systemWRONG!]

People still playing this dinosaur? Thought you guys might have moved onto sim racers by now.

[freeradical]

Car list for Community Choice Car Pack available on Dec 14.

The full list of available cars:

* 1971 AMC Javelin-AMX
* 1973 BMW Motorsport 2002 Turbo
* 1970 Chevrolet El Camino SS 454
* 1971 De Tomaso Pantera
* 1982 DeLorean DMC-12
* 1987 Ford Sierra RS500 Cosworth
* 1990 1978 Saab 99 Turbo
* 1983 Volvo 242 Turbo Evolution
* 1957 Ferrari 250 California
* 1990 Mercedes-Benz 190E 2.5-16 Evolution II
http://jalopnik.com/5711254/jalopnik-car-pack-brings-delorean-el-camino-to-forza-motorsport-3

I'll be pushing that DeLorean to 88mph ASAP! (Sadly flux capacitors are not an option)

[Clockw0rk]

Aw, but I want 55 slightly different Skylines!
Nah seriously, looks good. I'd rather the DeLorean was replaced by an RX-3 or GTi-R Pulsar but I'm happy with the final selection overall. El Camino is going to be a blast.

Wait a second...
Gone, sadly, are the Shelby Omni, Starion, Lancia, Ford Escort Cosworth, Syclone and BMW 6 series...
This makes me a sad panda. The Starion, Syclone and Escort Cosworth were three of my most anticipated cars :( Hopefully they'll show up in future track packs.

[turb06]

Car list for Community Choice Car Pack available on Dec 14.

The full list of available cars:

* 1971 AMC Javelin-AMX
* 1973 BMW Motorsport 2002 Turbo
* 1970 Chevrolet El Camino SS 454
* 1971 De Tomaso Pantera
* 1982 DeLorean DMC-12
* 1987 Ford Sierra RS500 Cosworth
* 1990 1978 Saab 99 Turbo
* 1983 Volvo 242 Turbo Evolution
* 1957 Ferrari 250 California
* 1990 Mercedes-Benz 190E 2.5-16 Evolution II
http://jalopnik.com/5711254/jalopnik-car-pack-brings-delorean-el-camino-to-forza-motorsport-3

I'll be pushing that DeLorean to 88mph ASAP! (Sadly flux capacitors are not an option)

That doesnt excite me at all, the El camino so i can try and do a my name is earle replica, and the mercedes because they are the best looking merc that side of a CLS AMG but the rest are meh.

[Shorty]

This makes me a sad panda. The Starion, Syclone and Escort Cosworth were three of my most anticipated cars :( Hopefully they'll show up in future track packs.

Didn't the winner list have enough cars for three packs anyway?

[Clockw0rk]

It had 14, slightly more than the usual car pack number. The Ferrari was added and one of the others (Porsche?) was added in the Stig's pack with the Ultimate edition.

[Ezri]

Wish they'd put a Lancer Evo 1/2/3 in the game some time :(

[turb06]

I want early model RX's from mazda. And the ability to properly turn them into drag cars. maybe forza 4 will deliver.

[enrique]

Im glad the Mercedes 190 and the Sierra Cosworth is in along with the Volvo and the Pantera but the rest of the pack is pretty underwhelming. Where's my Syclone bitch?

[Shorty]

Project Gotham Racing 4. :p

[enrique]

Project Gotham Racing 4. :p

:D Good memories!

[TrinityJayOne]

Seems someone at MS pulled a barney and this still isn't up 12hrs past the usual time. Apparently it's on the spotlight of the American dashboard, but nothing shows up when you select it. At the very least one of the forum staff have posted the PI and price list, which looks excellent-

1971 AMC Javelin-AMX - E253 - 16,000 CR
1973 BMW Motorsport 2002 Turbo - E217 - 48,000 CR
1970 Chevrolet El Camino SS 454 - D284 - 50,000 CR
1971 De Tomaso Pantera - D316 - 42,000
1982 DeLorean DMC-12 - F104 - 20,000
1987 Ford Sierra RS500 Cosworth - D311 - 48,000 CR
1990 Mercedes-Benz 190E 2.5-16 Evolution II - D309 - 59,000
1978 Saab 99 Turbo - F108 - 7,000
1983 Volvo 242 Turbo Evolution - E212 - 7,500
1957 Ferrari 250 California - E221 - 2,750,000

It's a fairly safe bet that I'll be buying every single one of those, even the California. The exception is the DeLorean of course, what a waste of space. Wish I could've seen the looks on peoples' faces when they saw the PI and realised it's not the amazing sports car they thought.

[enrique]

I hope you can swap the S Class Volvo racer engine from the World Challenge S60R into the 242 like you can do with the two Volvo roadcars already in the game. Part of me likes the idea of putting the SLR or the SL65 engine into the Mercedes 190 but the purist in me thinks it totally unnecessary. :)

[TrinityJayOne]

That's because it is! Also, pack is now up.

[enrique]

From another forum

the RS500 can have stock or V8 (mustang '93, slight boost in torque + pi), I4t (RS200, puts it into a class) or V8 (#1 FG Falcon, puts it into a class)

the 190E (also has awd swap) can have stock, V6dsc (c32), V8 (mercades touring) or V12TT (sl65)


V8 Supercar engine in the RS500..mmm

And the Mercedes touring car V8 into the 190 doesnt seem so bad, it cant weigh much more then the stock 190 engine so shouldnt throw the balance of the car out too much.

[TrinityJayOne]

Standard TJO DLC review is forthcoming, but in the meantime-

http://members.iinet.net.au/~trinityjayone/forza/Camino1.jpg

http://i660.photobucket.com/albums/uu328/zerosignal/1250094057061.jpg

[TrinityJayOne]

AMC Javelin-AMX
Pretty nimble for a muscle car! Infact it feels less like a muscle car and more like a sports coupe that just happens to tick all the boxes on the muscle car checklist (V8, heavy, made around 1970). I like it.

BMW 2002 Turbo
Awesome, awesome, awesome little machine! It has a lot of bodyroll but still feels very tight, and the tires refuse to let go of the road even though you can feel the rear stepping out. The only time I could get the rears to break was when I took the corner before the Karussell at 100km/h, full throttle, and on the Karussell itself when I lifted a rear (videos of which I will be uploading tonight).

Chevy El Camino SS
It's big, it's heavy, and it has a ****load of power. If in doubt, see previous post.

De Tomaso Pantera
Pretty good, with stable handling that immediately let's you know it's an MR. My only complaint is the retarded gearbox, which has extremely short 4th & 5th ratios. It tops out at about 240km/h but feels like it could go much further with better ratios.

DMC Delorean
Don't know, don't particularly care. :D

Ferrari 250 California
A bit floaty, but still exactly what I expected from something this old. The engine is a screamer!

Ford Cosworth RS500
Feels very similar to the 2002 Turbo, only faster and with a touch more oversteer. A superbly balanced drive.

Mercedes 190E
Incredible car, again as expected. 4th & 5th gear feel a little tall for my liking but it's still fast. It feels quicker than the Cossie, but I don't think it actually is. Would need to compare times.

Saab 99 Turbo
Good, but doesn't stand out like the others. It is suprisingly hesitant to bag 'em up even on the hairpins in Fujimi Kaido, but it still understeers and feels like it lacks straight line speed. Driving this right after the Cossie and 190E may have given it an unfair disadvantage!

Volvo 242
Probably the only letdown of the group. It has about the same power as the 190E, but lacks the chassis and grip. It understeers at speed and is generally pretty poo under brakes as well. The engine sounds like a Cesna when it gets going.


Overall this is a ****ing stellar pack. :D The Syclone was admittedly a novelty and a car I can live without, but I really wanted the Phase III and America's attempt at a hot hatch. :(

[StorminNorman]

If memory serves, the RS500 is one of the more batshit insane Group B cars of the 1980s.

(And yes, I know that saying "more batshit insane" when referring to group B is stretching the limits of credulity, but the RS500 really deserves it.)

[Shorty]

That would be the RS200, wouldn't it?

[StorminNorman]

You might be right.

[HiredMan]

Yeah, the RS500 was the Ford Sierra homologation model for Group A.

[Shorty]

Didn't they also race them at Bathurst?