Forza Motorsport 3

[HiredMan]

OK, so not much is known about this game yet, but we can expect some news on it form this years imminent E3.

Now I'm gonna drool: Porsche Turbo S wheel for Forza 3 (by German peripheral maker Fanatec). (http://www.kotaku.com.au/2009/05/new-forza-3-wheel-showing-at-e3/#more-337325) The wheel has already entered pre-production (late, as Turn 10 wanted Fanatec to implement a "new feature" for the wheel, which should be announced at E3) and will be on display at E3, where we should get some more details of the game.

I'm excited!

[TrinityJayOne]

A new wheel is nice, but will it be up to the standards of Logitech’s (sadly non-compatible) offerings or another plastic piece of shifter-less junk?!
Hopefully this "feature" is something good, dare we hope for a proper H-gate or even (gasp) a clutch?! I don't want it to be, say, special buttons for each telemetry page.


EDIT: While I'm here, might as well make a wish list.

WANT :D
-2 discs, one with the tracks that gets installed and the other with the cars, or vice versa.
-More tracks
-More mid-ranged cars
-Better detail in the livery editor (and cameras)
-Better career events that don't put 7 B Class cars against a single S Class
-Minor tweaks to the physics
-Possibility of rolling your car over completely

DO NOT WANT D:
-Nitro
-Drift mode, unless it uses the same physics as racing and is not integral to the career mode
-Anything in the current game to be removed

[HiredMan]

I'm actually hoipng that it doesn't have counter-intuitive shift "buttons" on the wheels of the latest PDK equipped 911's.....

Yes, clutch and 7-speed h-pattern stick and shiftgate please.

But......... it's got a Porsche badge on it. I'll probably end up buying it anyway....

[enrique]

“It took a little bit longer than expected but Microsoft wanted us to support a new feature for Forza 3,” writes Fanatec company rep Thomas. Wonder what that could be?

A new feature for Forza 3! Forza 3 hasnt been officially confirmed yet but now that guy pretty much has, this goes along with the news that someone was working on a soundtrack for the game and that brazilian leak of a logo that looked like FM3 recently.

I'm very excited!!!!!!!!!!!

Hurry up June!

[Surgeon.]

Apart from obvious more cars/improved driving engine love to see the following in F3,

* Dynamic weather system (with the ability to turn it off)
* Night/Day races with possible transition for endurance races.
* New physics engine (ability to flip/roll cars)
* Improved pit dynamics, preferably where you can alter setup.
* More interesting tracks (point to point)
* Improved damage modeling.


It wont happen but I'd also love to see some kind of pc/360 application where you can design a paintjob (say on the forza size) by applying jpeg's and image files to a car, and have it transferred over to the 360. Basically I'd love to be able to design something in photoshop/illustrator and apply it straight to a car. The current paint/layers system just feels horribly archaic.




As for the new wheel, if it has clutch . . . it's a must buy.

[Blue]

I think the current paint system is impossible for me to use, but it makes it that much more amazing when you see a truly brilliant livery. I would certainly love to be able to import .jpegs that I've uploaded to the Forza site into the game to apply like a normal decal. It won't happen, though.

[TrinityJayOne]

That's right, too many copyright issues and more porn cars than there already is currently. I'd also like to add everything Surgeon said!

[Clockw0rk]

OK, basically what everyone else said. I want more tracks, and point to point races!
But also:

WANT:
94-99 Celica GT-Four
KPGC10 Skyline GT-R
Toyota Yaris

I'd like to see fewer "special editions" of cars. We don't need MR2s from 3 different tuning houses on top of the standard one. It's just a cheap way of boosting the car numbers in the game.
I agree with Trin about drift mode. If it exists, it shouldn't mess with the physics. But really, it shouldn't even be in the game.
The livery editor should stay pretty much the same, though I'd like to see the ability to create custom vinyl shapes.

[Lazlow]

All Logitech Wheels to be compatible :(

[Clockw0rk]

3 more things I thought of:

1. Free camera during replays
2. Better photo mode
3. The option to turn off cosmetic damage

[HiredMan]

I'd like to see one massive classic road circuit. The Targa Florio would be awesome.

And yeah, as Surgeon mentioned (ages ago), point to point races! The Touge downhill would be ace.

[Lazlow]

I'd like to see one massive classic road circuit. The Targa Florio would be awesome.



Classic Circuit de Spa-Francorchamps

[HiredMan]

That would do nicely, too :)

[Gemerald]

OK, basically what everyone else said. I want more tracks, and point to point races!
But also:

WANT:
94-99 Celica GT-Four
KPGC10 Skyline GT-R
Toyota Yaris

I'd like to see fewer "special editions" of cars. We don't need MR2s from 3 different tuning houses on top of the standard one. It's just a cheap way of boosting the car numbers in the game.
I agree with Trin about drift mode. If it exists, it shouldn't mess with the physics. But really, it shouldn't even be in the game.
The livery editor should stay pretty much the same, though I'd like to see the ability to create custom vinyl shapes.


I would like to know why you want to include the Yaris? I would be very surprised if it wasn't included. That and Scion models (not that I'd own one).

[Clockw0rk]

I just think it'd make a pretty speedy and fun D-class car. Also did you see the photos of that widebody Yaris I posted in the automobiles thread? Shit was SO cash.

[Lazlow]

Also did you see the photos of that widebody Yaris I posted in the automobiles thread? Shit was SO cash.

Debatable >_>

[drzaius]

i'd settle for some alfa romeo's

[HiredMan]

More classic road and race cars!

I'd love to see one of these:
http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj127/drivers71/Motor%20Racing/1974/29%20September%20-%20Brands%20Hatch%201000kms/740929BH64-02.jpg

[Lazlow]

Wouldn't mind some Holden's and Fords, both current and classics.

[HiredMan]

I could live with that, but my RSR will annihilate your GTHO Phase III :D

[Shorty]

I see a Nurburgring face-off in the making... :p

[Clockw0rk]

My GT-Four WRC will destroy all of you.
If it's in the game...

If not, well I own one in real life so nyer :p

[Gemerald]

Forza 2 is such a great game, it's going to make it a challenge to further push the boundaries. I'm very eager to see more though.

I just think it'd make a pretty speedy and fun D-class car. Also did you see the photos of that widebody Yaris I posted in the automobiles thread? Shit was SO cash.

I get turned off by the Yaris/Vios as I've seen so many bad ones. It's so cool Alan has a practical and decent Tezza to drive.

[TrinityJayOne]

I'd settle for some Alfa Romeo's
They'd be nice, needs more of the smaller Euro cars in general. Absolutely shattered there was no Saxo.

[Shorty]

You mean like the Golf with the 650hp V12 shoved into it? Or what about some road-tuned Group B rally cars? :cool:

[HiredMan]

Possible October release? (http://www.kotaku.com.au/2009/05/amazonde-pegs-forza-motorsport-3-for-fall/)

[TrinityJayOne]

Gentleman, start your engines?

[enrique]

Possible October release? (http://www.kotaku.com.au/2009/05/amazonde-pegs-forza-motorsport-3-for-fall/)


Oh yes please!!! :cool::cool: Although im not going to get my hopes up too much, remember what happened with Forza 2?

[HiredMan]

Vaguely.......

Still, looks like it will beat Gran Turismo 5 to release by some margin. Would that mean that all three Forza games released while Polyphony have been working on GT5? If yes..... lol :p

[enrique]

I can see FM3 being released in time to beat GT5 to the shelves unless FM3 gets delayed.......

[Clockw0rk]

I can see FM3 being released in time to beat GT5 to the shelves unless FM3 gets delayed.......
I don't think beating GT5 to the shelves will be particularly difficult.

[Blue]

I can see FM3 being released in time to beat GT5 to the shelves unless FM3 gets delayed.......FM3 will most likely be delayed. GT5, however, will be delayed a great deal more. God, Polyphony are a bunch of ****ers. If I had a Playstation 3, and still gave a shit about an inferior franchise, I'd be really mad about it.

[Lazlow]

Nah, they'd probably say something about a $50 tech demo being better than the whole Forza franchise put together :p

[TrinityJayOne]

On that note, wasn't the story that Prologue was essentially the full game, and aside from maybe tightening a few bolts, all that was left was to add in content?

[ian]

all a car game has to have to be good is at least 20 different skylines (models not stupid paint)

[Blue]

On that note, wasn't the story that Prologue was essentially the full game, and aside from maybe tightening a few bolts, all that was left was to add in content?Like, oh... Mechanical and cosmetic damage. ;)

[Shorty]

I often hear Polyphony talking about those things as items you can just add or patch in later on, rather than integral portions of the game mechanics that should have been included from very early on in development.

[Lazlow]

all a car game has to have to be good is at least 20 different skylines (models not stupid paint)

or not

[Clockw0rk]

I often hear Polyphony talking about those things as items you can just add or patch in later on, rather than integral portions of the game mechanics that should have been included from very early on in development.
Integral things?
Silly. Everyone knows that to win in the speed ring you just hug the outside wall. That's how they do it in real life (http://kotaku.com/5056328/video-games-arent-real-life-even-for-nascar-drivers).

[Blue]

For mine, if the mechanical damage system can simply be "patched on later", it hasn't been integrated into the game engine well enough, and rather than being an integral and realistic part of the game it will end up feeling shallow.

[TrinityJayOne]

IT'S REAL FOLKS, IT'S ****ING REALLl!!!

http://forzamotorsport.net/en-us/news/The-Ultimate-Racing-Wheel-for-Xbox-360.htm

^ The steering wheel that HiredMan mentioned! Haven't read the article as about to leave for work, but the most important thing is CLUTCH AND H-GATE. I REPEAT, CLUTCH AND ****ING H-GATE.

Forza Motorsport 3 will include over 400 cars from 50 manufacturers. New additions to the game include an in-car driving view, one button assisted driving, and vehicle rollover. Also included will be the ability to create in game videos and upload them to the Forza Motorsport website.

Turn 10 mentioned at the E3 Microsoft Press Conference about a rewind feature, but did not say exactly what it did. The name suggests a feature similar to that found in Race Driver: Grid which allows you to retry the past few seconds of a race in case there is a major accident.

[enrique]

Officially announced!!!!!!!!!!!

Official site is up with pics and vids.

http://forzamotorsport.net/en-us/game/default.htm

Release date is October.

400 cars, 100 tracks, single player features 200 events including Circuit, Oval, Drag, Drift and Timed Events.



I soo cannot wait for this!! :D:D

[Lazlow]

Turn 10 mentioned at the E3 Microsoft Press Conference about a rewind feature, but did not say exactly what it did. The name suggests a feature similar to that found in Race Driver: Grid which allows you to retry the past few seconds of a race in case there is a major accident.

Remove this shit now please.

[HiredMan]

Eurogamer article. (http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/forza-3-officially-unveiled)

Thats awesome news about the Porsche Turbo wheel :D You can roll the cars in this iteration :D 400 cars :D October release date :D

[Lazlow]

Amendment; if the rewind shit is another assist that can be turned off, I can live.

[HiredMan]

I doubt the rewind will be in multiplayer..... In single player, who cares? Even if it can't be switched off, I just wont use it. Everything else looks great though.

[Lazlow]

I hate gimmicks, that's all :(

I likes my racing clean and pure :D

[Xanafalgue]

I'm *really* impressed by the graphics.

[HiredMan]

I'm *really* impressed by the graphics.

Agreed! It looks gorgeous.....

http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u152/HiredMan/Forza3wow.jpg

Link to Eurogamer screenie gallery (http://www.eurogamer.net/gallery.php?game_id=11897&article_id=596963#anchor)

I'm a little worried about the lack of Porsche's in those screens though.....

[StorminNorman]

I like how Eurogamer are watermarking them, despite them being the same set of screenshots that every other press outlet got.

[TrinityJayOne]

Kinda agrred with Lazlow on the rewind thing, but yeah, no way in hell they'll put it into multiplayer and for SP you can just no use it. Hopefully the Career events have a bit more competitive matchups without the one car that's 2 classes above all the others.

Really REALLY excited about that wheel though, holy shit. It's gonna take a lot of skill to be competitive on the Ring with full clutch and all that.

[Lazlow]

Hopefully the wheel doesn't suffer the same fate as the TE Sticks.

I really only hope for more diverse cars, from a wide variety of eras, and more participants online.

[ElPresidente]

I think the current paint system is impossible for me to use, but it makes it that much more amazing when you see a truly brilliant livery. I would certainly love to be able to import .jpegs that I've uploaded to the Forza site into the game to apply like a normal decal. It won't happen, though.

I'm against this. :D

Only because I consider myself a dab hand at the editor and there is something really satisfying about producing paint jobs with the limitations of that editor. You really can produce anything you want but the puzzle solving you need to do to make it happen is REALLY addictive. :D

Oh and ye olde PA car pimpin'

http://members.iinet.net.au/~elpresidente/PACar.jpg

;)

[HiredMan]

Quick question: Will the Forza 3 Porsche Turbo S wheel be the first console wheel with an H-pattern stick? Did the GT Driving Force Pro have a sequential "up and down" stick?

EDIT: just had a look at some shots of the wheel, the accelerator and brake pedal positions dont look ideal for new style heel-toe changes. May have to use the old style to do it effectively..... the game will likely have an automatic rev matching feature anyways (which I will turn off, of course!)

[Clockw0rk]

I'm unhappy about drifting being in career mode, though I won't pass final judgement until playing it.

One thing I'd love them to implement in the livery editor is a blank canvas rather than a car, where you can place decals and put together a big piece of artwork before saving it and transferring it to a car. People already do this using the mini cooper's roof as a base, but a proper canvas would be brilliant.

EDIT:
Quick question: Will the Forza 3 Porsche Turbo S wheel be the first console wheel with an H-pattern stick? Did the GT Driving Force Pro have a sequential "up and down" stick?
The G25 works with PS2 and PS3 I believe, though I know that's not the same thing. Is the H-gate on the Forza Porsche wheel able to be moved to the left of the wheel? Would suck if we were stuck driving American.

[HiredMan]

Is the H-gate on the Forza Porsche wheel able to be moved to the left of the wheel? Would suck if we were stuck driving American.

Looks like you may be able to move it, it's not attached directly to the wheel base (it looks like it has 2 metal rods locating it to the base). Fingers crossed.

I hope they release it soon. Article says it's beckwards compatible, would be nice to get some practice in with it on Forza 2 before Forza 3 hits in October.

[Lazlow]

Article says it's beckwards compatible

Man, I hope that was deliberate :p

[HiredMan]

Nope, I'm retarded :p

Now I'm really confused: there are pictures of 2 entirely different pedal boxes on the Fanatec/Forza 3 wheel page. The top one looks crap for heel-toeing, the bottom one looks perfect. Which will it be?

[JC Henderson]

I am hoping for a reasonable trade in deal on that wheel somewhere. That will help me justify the inevitable purchase.

[Surgeon.]

Now I'm really confused: there are pictures of 2 entirely different pedal boxes on the Fanatec/Forza 3 wheel page. The top one looks crap for heel-toeing, the bottom one looks perfect. Which will it be?

Doesn't it say that there will be 3 different versions?

(911 Turbo S Edition, Clubsport Edition, and Pure Edition)

[HiredMan]

Doesn't it say that there will be 3 different versions?

(911 Turbo S Edition, Clubsport Edition, and Pure Edition)

Well, that probably explains it. I'm at work so have just been skimming.

[Clockw0rk]

You know heel-toeing would be pointless in a computer game, right? There's no real need for rev matching.

[HiredMan]

I'd be hoping that they'd integrate engine and box damage for fast non-matched downshifts in Forza 3. Forza 2 had engine damage for shifting down too quickly causing the engine to over-rev, so I dont think what I mentioned would be too much to expect.

[ElPresidente]

I'm unhappy about drifting being in career mode, though I won't pass final judgement until playing it.

One thing I'd love them to implement in the livery editor is a blank canvas rather than a car, where you can place decals and put together a big piece of artwork before saving it and transferring it to a car. People already do this using the mini cooper's roof as a base, but a proper canvas would be brilliant.

Agreed. I am sick of the mini's roof!

[StorminNorman]

You know heel-toeing would be pointless in a computer game, right?

Pointless awesome, mirite?

[HiredMan]

Also, if Turn 10 were really going to town with the realism of the driving model, they could implement compression lock-up of the driven wheels for certain engines (which would be eliminated by heel-toe downshifts), which would have unsettling effects on the car at speed.

Of course, if none of this is implemented, then yeah, rev matching would be pointless (apart from sounding awesome, that is). I'll probably be doing it anyway :p

EDIT: just checked the Fanatec site (http://www.FANATEC.com/). That awesome pedal box is the Clubsport pedal box which appears to come with the Porsche GT3 RS wheel :D I'll be getting that one for sure if it's compatible. The other wheels on the site are the aforementioned Porsche Turbo S wheel and the Porsche 911 Carrera wheel.

EDIT2: Dammit, looks like the RS wheel will only work with PC ans some PS3 games. Genuine alcantara leather trim too :( Will probably have to use the Turbo S wheel and Clubsport pedal box if thats the case

[Sweating Bullets]

Man the screenshots on this look amazing!

[Clockw0rk]

New additions to the game include an in-car driving view, one button assisted driving, and vehicle rollover.
Sony will promise a rollover patch for GT5P any day now.

More interesting stuff from the fact sheet - assists will include auto-braking and auto-tuning. Tuning is an interesting one, I wonder how it'll work?

[Munky]

There is gameplay vid up on Gametrailers.

It looks pretty nice.

[Lazlow]

Sony will promise a rollover patch for GT5P any day now.

More interesting stuff from the fact sheet - assists will include auto-braking and auto-tuning. Tuning is an interesting one, I wonder how it'll work?

Xzibit busts out of your Xbox and pimps your ride.

[AranchineD]

i herd u suck at driving so we put sum assists in yo assists so u can be noob while u be noob

[HiredMan]

Trailers:

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[Sweating Bullets]

Holy shit if that is actual ingame.
I might have to look into getting this.

[Cian]

That just blew GT5 out the ****ing door.

[Lazlow]

The lure of eye candy, amazing.

Seriously though, the first trailer is obviously pre-render, and the second with actual gameplay footage doesn't look all that advanced than Forza 2. Nicer, but not holy shit nicer.

EDIT:

Better environments for sure.

[Cian]

Better environments for sure.

Mmmm did you see that cliff in the background? Sexy cliff.

[Lazlow]

Nordschleife had some pretty obvious distance fog in Forza 2 >_>

[TrinityJayOne]

Sweet Jesus! The good version of that wheel, the Clubsport, is nearly 500 Euros!!! The fact that there's more than one wheel setup concerns me, because their site has the "Pure" version having no shifter at all and not even pedals. I'll buy a steering wheel + game bundle without a second thought but not if I ain't getting the decent model.

That said, it is quite a product. The wheel sensor isn't on the wheel itself, it's driven by a belt so there's no mechanical deadzone. The pedals don't use the standard potentiometers of every other wheel I've seen (which involve a metal rod scraping against a conductive plate and wear out very quickly), they use a contactless magnetic system which would never wear out (according to the manufacturer anyway, and it seems plausible). All in all it would make quite the gaming accessory!

[Clockw0rk]

Yeah, I'll wait for the wheels to be priced over here before I decide. Anything over NZ$250 and I'll probably give it a miss.

[ElPresidente]

I think I'm done with wheels until I'm in my own place (by which I mean I have 100% control over where things go, etc -vs- the 50% control I have now. Damn I hate compromise. ;)).

I've barely touched my 360 wheel. :(

[Surgeon.]

doesn't look all that advanced than Forza 2.


Really? I shudder to think what your 'holy shit' expectations are. I actually wasn't expecting it to look that good. Might be just me, but seems to have taken some inspiration from GT5.

My main problem with the pre-rendered trailer, is that all the car acrobatics are really wanky and make it look like a burnout game. The main trailer does seem a whole lot more promising, although the racing (and especially the jump) do kinda make it look like an arcade racer. That's cool because I realize that they're going for mass market appeal and I realize that Forza was never a 100% realism type racer, but I really hope that they don't try too hard to please everyone.

Just a shame they have to mass market with shiney visuals to idiots who'll play for a couple days with auto/with all assist on, that quickly get bored with it anyway.

Apparently SUV's have been confirmed . . . doesn't bode well. :(

[Clockw0rk]

For those who don't know, there's a giveaway for two Forza 3 themed cars in Forza 2. One is an Audi R8 which can be picked up on the AH for $10k (provided you have the DLC), the other is an S4 which is free, just got to leave a comment in a post on the Forza site.

The R8 is a bit hard to pick up, gotta get in quick because people snap them up and re-auction them for $10mil. I've got mine though :D

Apparently SUV's have been confirmed . . . doesn't bode well.
Surely the PI system would mean they'd never be competitive in a race? Still, that's ridiculous if true. (EDIT: Confirmed here (http://www.gametrailers.com/video/e3-09-forza-motorsport/50203).)

I found a proper race gameplay video from E3 on YouTube, will post this evening if I can find it again. The cars seemed to corner quite fast, and when the driver's car crashed, it flipped over quite easily, rolled and landed back on its wheels. Was a bit... arcadey.

Still, can't pass judgement until the final version. I'm just worried it'll turn out bad :(

[enrique]

A possible release date- 27th October??

More gameplay videos

Porsche GT3 incar
http://gamersyde.com/news_7975_en.html

This is a long one but this Gamespot stage demo gives a look at some of the games menus and more racing.
http://e3.gamespot.com/video/6211099/

Another Audi R8 vid
http://www.gametrailers.com/video/e3-09-forza-motorsport/50406

More gameplay with Aston Martin DBS and what I believe is in front for a brief moment is a Mercedes Benz SL65 AMG Black series. I'm not sure which track though.
http://e3.gamespot.com/video/6211017/

[HiredMan]

Porsche GT3 incar
http://gamersyde.com/news_7975_en.html

Phewf..... they still have the Porsche license.

[enrique]

:D The 997 GT2 is in the game too. Hope they bring back the Carrera GT, thats one of the best sounding cars in the game. Oh and the Rothmans 962 please. I've seen rumours that you can paint any racecar if that was true that would be awesome but I cant see it happening due to licencing issues. Hope Im wrong.

[Lazlow]

The R8 is a bit hard to pick up, gotta get in quick because people snap them up and re-auction them for $10mil. I've got mine though

Yeah I was looking a few nights ago, and there were only two left; @ $5k and $12k.

The rest were ridiculously priced resales. WORSE THAN SCALPERS!

EDIT: actually there were 3, but the 3rd one had been modded and retuned to 999PI >_<

[TrinityJayOne]

First thing that strikes me about that in-car vid is the reduced sensation of speed, it's one of the things I hated about Prologue. It barely looks like he's going over 100km/h to me, but the speedo hits 200 a couple of times. Probably lacking that slight fisheye lens effect that Forza 2 has.

The sound was fantastic, though. :D

[Clockw0rk]

Remember it's an early build, they could always tweak stuff like that for the final release.
Yeah I was looking a few nights ago, and there were only two left; @ $5k and $12k.
The official ones are priced at $10k buyout, anything else is scalping.
More gameplay with Aston Martin DBS and what I believe is in front for a brief moment is a Mercedes Benz SL65 AMG Black series. I'm not sure which track though.
http://e3.gamespot.com/video/6211017/
Definitely an SL65 Black. HELL YES.

[Shorty]

In other news, the game will ship on two discs (http://www.joystiq.com/2009/06/04/forza-motorsport-3-will-ship-on-two-discs/). To be precise, the first disc will be the full game and the second disc will contain some extra cars and maybe some extra tracks that will be transferable to the hard drive. So there'll be no disk swapping, per se.

[StorminNorman]

The two disc thing was something that came out a while ago, as I recall.

The big fear was that you'd have to swap discs all the time, so it's great to see that they've taken a really sane approach to that.

[Shorty]

The two disc thing was something that came out a while ago, as I recall.

The idea came out as part of a leaked marketing survey asking "would you buy a racing game if it had x cars, y tracks and came on 2 discs?". It's only been confirmed just recently.

But yeah, the "game disc + bonus stuff" is probably the most elegant way I could think of handling the problem of needing two discs.

[StorminNorman]

Ah, I only knew it as a rumour, I didn't know the source of it.

[Grubdog]

So we'll need a hard drive to play the full game or is swapping discs still an option as well?

[TrinityJayOne]

While Turn 10 assures all gamers will be able to enjoy the full Forza 3 experience, we now have confirmation that not all gamers will be able to enjoy all 400 vehicles promised at the Microsoft press briefing.
I'm guessing that the second disc contains everything they couldn't fit on the first one. But who doesn't have a HDD these days?

[Clockw0rk]

Yeah, I'll most likely end up installing both CDs. Also I think I'll get into selling paintjobs on the AH as it's the easiest way to make money in the game. I can buy and tune a car for less than $100k and sell it for $600k or more. My Initial D AE86s go for $150k apiece with no tuning and a locked paintjob, pretty good return on the purchase price.

[HiredMan]

Eurogamer hands-on (http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/forza-motorsport-3-hands-on)

[enrique]

Aussie cars in FM3??

http://oxcgn.com/2009/06/04/oxcgn-confirms-forza-3-aussie-cars-included/
To his surprise, when asking if Forza 3 will feature Australian cars, the answer back was that Aussies cars would be included, and that drivers from Down Under would be happy with what cars are chosen.

HSV? FPV? Joss?? I'd be rapt if they made the nations cup 427 Monaro a R3 car.

[StorminNorman]

For what it's worth, Forza 2 did have the Vauxhall VXR.

[enrique]

And the Pontiac GTO. :D

For what its worth I can see maybe one or two cars from Holden and Ford at the most. Maybe a V8 Supercar?? FPV F6 Typhoon and HSV W427 would be logical inclusions representing Australia. Although the HRT 427C concept car would be also be great. May it be highly unlikely I would like to see the Maloo in there.

If Pontiac is in the game, there may be the G8 which is pretty much a VE Commodore.

[Lazlow]

mrlk GTO Phase III, HT Monaro GTS 350, or XR6 Turbo :D

oh and XU-1 Torana!

[enrique]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7kBLkVAbnU

Gameplay footage with a Mercedes ML63 SUV approx ten seconds into the video.

[Clockw0rk]

To his surprise, when asking if Forza 3 will feature Australian cars, the answer back was that Aussies cars would be included, and that drivers from Down Under would be happy with what cars are chosen.
My money's on the Holden Effigy and nothing else :p

[adam_91vn]

New Screens

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[adam_91vn]

The details :eek:
http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/4564/mf314.jpg

http://img188.imageshack.us/img188/7640/mf34.jpg

[Sweating Bullets]

Good grief!

[enrique]

OH DAMN. :eek:Love the cracks on the edge of the track, overall that is one very nice looking racetrack, I wish it were real.

I hope they have mechanics in pitstops this time instead of the invisible pit crew in FM2. And an option on how much fuel and what tires you want instead of being stuck with the default and having no choice.

[Lazlow]

Game is definitely looking pretty shit hot. Just hope they don't manage to f*** up the driving somehow.

[Clockw0rk]

I've grown to like the idea of an automatic braking assist. If you just hold accelerate while driving around the track, the car will brake for you when it needs to, and you steer it through the corner.

It'll help teach nubs racing lines and braking points, and might get more people interested in the game. A lot of people who tried the Forza 2 demo were put off by the fact that you actually have to drive properly.

[Lazlow]

It definitely helped me when I was 8 years old and playing Microprose Formula One Grand Prix :D

[HiredMan]

SimHQ's E3 impressions of Forza 3 and the Fanatec Porsche Turbo S 360 wheel. (http://www.simhq.com/_commentary/all_090d.html)

Excitement building.

[JC Henderson]

$500 for the wheel is that aus dollars or US?

[HiredMan]

Pretty sure it's US. I checked the Fanatec site a few days ago and their top wheel setup (Porsche Turbo S with Clubsport pedal-box) was 500 Euro (gulp). There's some amazing stuff on that site.

[Lazlow]

From what I gathered, if you don't have the MS Wheel, you'll need the mid-level Fanatec wheel or higher, as the low level one doesn't come with pedals. :/

[Xanafalgue]

http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/2424/mf3v.jpg

Purdy

[Clockw0rk]

From what I gathered, if you don't have the MS Wheel, you'll need the mid-level Fanatec wheel or higher, as the low level one doesn't come with pedals. :/
I'd almost be OK with that, if the MS pedals hooked up to the Fanatec wheel. I'd love a clutch and H-gate but I'm not paying a premium for it.

[Lazlow]

Needs to work with Logitech pedal boxes >_>

[enrique]

RS200 Evo in the carlist. Woohoo!!

http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/3436/fm3rs200.jpg

[TrinityJayOne]

Awesome!

[Grubdog]

I'm guessing that the second disc contains everything they couldn't fit on the first one. But who doesn't have a HDD these days?
I don't :p but i'm still buying this game anyway.

[StorminNorman]

Any word on whether the Nissan GT-R is in the game? I have a suspicion that, given that car's ties to Polyphony, it may be exclusive to the Gran Turismo games.

Also, no Veyron makes me a sad panda. :(

[TrinityJayOne]

Any word on whether the Nissan GT-R is in the game? I have a suspicion that, given that car's ties to Polyphony, it may be exclusive to the Gran Turismo games.

Also, no Veyron makes me a sad panda. :(
How do you know there'll be no Veyron? I remember Jeremy Clarkson once saying that the BBC had a bugger of a time getting one off Bugatti for their test track, but surely anything Turn 10 need it for could be done in the showroom?

The official website has screenshots of an LP640, so I'll be happy. :D

[Clockw0rk]

No GT-R would be disappointing but I'd say it'll make it to the game. As for the Veyron, it'd probably be nigh on impossible to get licensing for damage modelling/rollover for it. Would be cool to see it in the game though.

[Shorty]

I thought the biggest obstacle to getting a car in a racing game was getting the manufacturer to sign off on the licensing. Other than that, it's pretty straightforward.

WRT the GT-R, I'd be surprised if they weren't able to license it given that Turn 10 have had no problem licensing previous Nissan vehicles including the Skyline.

[Clockw0rk]

Yeah, but the GT-R has much bigger ties to Polyphony (they did the computer interface for it, and it's pretty much the face of GT5). I'd say it's very likely to make it into the game but if it didn't happen, I could see why.

[Shorty]

I understand that, but Nissan already have a long-standing relationship with Turn 10 since the first Forza. The GT-R may have ties to Polyphony and the Gran Turismo series but it arguably has even bigger ties to Nissan and I don't consider it likely that they'll miss out on a promotional opportunity like this by holding back their now flagship sports car from this game.

Besides, unless Nissan needs Polyphony's signature on the licensing agreement as well (and I seriously doubt they do), it's not their call anyway.

[TrinityJayOne]

What Shorty said!

In this day & age would they really still need to physically roll/bang up cars to model damage? Surely this kind of thing can be modelled on PC nowadays.

[Clockw0rk]

It's not a physical thing, it's the fact that car manufacturers don't want their cars to get beaten up. That's why Rollover hasn't previously been allowed, because if people realise that a Honda Civic can flip if it takes a corner at 200kph and crashes into a barrier, they're less likely to buy one!

To get damage modelling in the first Forza, Turn 10 had to present a huge amount of concept artwork and renders to the companies to prove that they wouldn't show damage to their cars in an unfavourable or biased manner.

[Lazlow]

After tonight, I sure hope they implement a feature where you can chop and change upgrades without having to drop out of the lobby during online events.

[HiredMan]

Completely unconfirmed rumour from NeoGAF: Forza 3 demo on Live on 12 June.

[TrinityJayOne]

!!!!!

[HiredMan]

It could well be bullshit, but it's a circulating rumour nonetheless.....

There's some really interesting tidbits in the GAF thread which I'm wading through now (I'm about 500 posts in, 1,500ish posts in total).

Other interesting rumours:

*La Sarthe is in (w00t!), but it's the only big name licensed real world track that's been included on top of the Forza 3 tracks (boo!)

*Nissan R35 GT-R is out - the info that claimed this stated that Nissan actually paid Turn 10 a fair bit of dosh to include some of their cars (some econoboxes), but the GT-R team at Nissan have the licensing rights to the car and stated that it could only be included in FM3 if it couldn't be damaged, tuned or have the stock rims swapped.

Might post some more juicy tidbits later on.

[StorminNorman]

How do you know there'll be no Veyron?
I have this feeling that, if it were going to be in the game, we would already know about it.

Keep in mind that the "flagship car" for Forza 3 seems to be the Audi R8.


*La Sarthe is in (w00t!), but it's the only big name licensed real world track that's been included on top of the Forza 3 tracks (boo!)

Surely they just haven't announced other real-world tracks? I can't see it not having Nurburgring at the very least, and I'd love for them to include Mount Panorama.

*Nissan R35 GT-R is out - the info that claimed this stated that Nissan actually paid Turn 10 a fair bit of dosh to include some of their cars (some econoboxes), but the GT-R team at Nissan have the licensing rights to the car and stated that it could only be included in FM3 if it couldn't be damaged, tuned or have the stock rims swapped.

That's... wow. That's... horrible. The GT-R guys should be beaten with a stick over that.

[Lazlow]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Forza_Motorsport_Courses

Has Suzuka, Nurburgring and Sebring as confirmed.

[HiredMan]

Sorry, that was a typo on my part. Should've read "La Sarthe is the only big name licensed real world track that's been included on top of the Forza 2 tracks"

Also, I think the demo rumour is fake. 12 June is the date that they're running a 24 hour Forza 3 enduro to coincide with Le Mans. We can dream though....

[Lazlow]

I hope they bring over that togue course from Forza 1. I've got the game but it doesn't run over VGA, so I've never played it :(

[Clockw0rk]

Fujimi Kaido? Yeah, I hope they bring it back. It's a tough course, but great fun.
I don't mind so much about real world tracks, as long as the other tracks are worth racing on. None of the test tracks in Forza 2 are particularly engaging, but Maple Valley is one of my favourites.

[StorminNorman]

I really can't stand the test track. It's just not very fun to race on, in my opinion.

I'm still going to secretly wish for Mount Panorama.

[HiredMan]

I really can't stand the test track. It's just not very fun to race on, in my opinion.

I'm still going to secretly wish for Mount Panorama.

I'm with you on the test track: it had a couple of good sections but was completely soulless....

It would be great if they brought back the best tracks from the original Forza. Fujimi Kaido and Blue Mountains (unofficial Mt Panorama track) would be the picks.

But goddamn that Spanish seaside track looks awesome.

[Sweating Bullets]

Nintendo’s Shigeru Miyamoto wasn’t the only game developer checking out the competition, the folks behind Gran Turismo did as well — getting up close and personal with Forza 3.

http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/kotaku/2009/06/japanese_press.jpg
According to Forza 3’s Turn 10 Studios Blog:

Perhaps the most surprising to me was when a couple developers from Gran Turismo makers Polyphony Digital came by to personally get hands-on with Forza 3, all the while taking careful notes, examining our UI system, shooting photos, and directly asking us some pretty interesting questions. The reason I say I was personally surprised was because PD aren’t generally known as a studio to acknowledge that there are racing games that exist beyond their own. Which could explain why the GT franchise has been so stagnant in the racing genre since GT3. So it seems competition is good for the consumer after all.

And good for Polyphony Digital and Gran Turismo, too.

http://www.kotaku.com.au/2009/06/gran-turismo-makers-try-forza-3

[Shorty]

Curse you, SB. Beat me to it.

[TrinityJayOne]

I really can't stand the test track. It's just not very fun to race on, in my opinion.

I'm still going to secretly wish for Mount Panorama.
You and me both! Hopefully they also put in some Aussie muscle, then we can recreate some 80's Bathurst action. :D

I'm really concerned that they've removed something massive from the game judging by all the screens. The jaggies are gone which suggests that the game is either running in 1080p (GOOD LORD) or they're using AA. One of the devs said in an E3 interview that the car models have "10x" more polys and 4x more detailed textures. This is with the same number of cars on track, tire deformation, better damage, smarter AI, an in-car view, amazing track visuals and somehow it's all still running at 60fps. :eek:

Has the console fairy done the rounds overnight, upgrading all our 360s to dual Xenons? :confused:

[Clockw0rk]

Forza 2 launched in May 2007, less than a year and a half into the console's life. Devs have had a while to play with it since then.

[Sweating Bullets]

Curse you, SB. Beat me to it.

Sorry Shorty!
You've beaten me to the punch a number of times!!

[HiredMan]

I'm really concerned that they've removed something massive from the game judging by all the screens. The jaggies are gone which suggests that the game is either running in 1080p (GOOD LORD) or they're using AA. One of the devs said in an E3 interview that the car models have "10x" more polys and 4x more detailed textures. This is with the same number of cars on track, tire deformation, better damage, smarter AI, an in-car view, amazing track visuals and somehow it's all still running at 60fps. :eek:

Some clarification on these points (courtesy of NeoGAF): Forza 2 already had AA, the reason why the jaggies are so evident in some areas of Forza 2 is that they couldn't apply the AA to reflections (which is what they've done with Forza 3, hence the images looking a lot smoother).

Regarding the poly counts, the x10 figure thats being bandied around really only applies to the car models in the menu screens and showrooms. Forza 2's car models had 40,000 polygons, Forza 3's have approx 400,000 polygons (a fair proportion of this extra count is actually from the cars interiors), but the models you will see in race will have less.

One of the producers of Forza 3 (Che something-or-other) is posting regularly in the GAF thread to answer questions. He reckons that the handling/physics model for Forza 3 is significantly more realistic that Forza 2. Encouraging.

[Creedy]

How many cars on the grid in Forza games?

[HiredMan]

Hasn't been confirmed yet, but probably 8 for Forza 3.

It's 8 for Forza 2 and 8 (I think) for Forza 1.

[StorminNorman]

I'm really concerned that they've removed something massive from the game judging by all the screens.

Keep in mind that the game is shipping on two discs.

Has the console fairy done the rounds overnight, upgrading all our 360s to dual Xenons? :confused:

Not so much dual Xenons, but programming for multiple cores/hardware threads has come a long way since Forza 2 launched, so its quite probable that this alone has allowed some significant improvements to the game engine, and that's before we get to the graphics, even.

You'll often find with games consoles that the most technically impressive games comes towards the end of the system's life. The SNES, Saturn, Playstation, N64, Dreamcast and PS2 all have late-life games that are far beyond what anyone imagined was possible with them when the console first launched.

The best example is probably the Commodore 64, which still has a very active development community. I've seen realtime rendered, gourard shaded 3D graphics running on an actual C64.

[TrinityJayOne]

The best example is probably the Commodore 64, which still has a very active development community. I've seen realtime rendered, gourard shaded 3D graphics running on an actual C64.
Get out! From what I remember playing on the C64, that's quite the achievement.

[freeradical]

So the trailer from E3 was the in game video editor. Neat!

http://kotaku.com/5284616/forzas-mind+blowing-trailer-took-a-month-to-create

[Clockw0rk]

That's awesome as a demonstration of what the editor can do... but I'm a bit worried about the physics engine letting the cars pirouette like that. Surely that shouldn't be possible.

[HiredMan]

I dunno if the article mentions it, but that inrto vid was done mostly by members of Team Blackjack which would explain the crazy slides and spins. If anyone could do that shit with the Forza driving model, they could. Those dudes are nuts :p

EDIT: Friday Forza 3 demo confirmed as bollox by that Che dude. He said theres some juicy new info coming at the endo of the week though.

EDIT2: Catalunya is in

[enrique]

Hyundai Genesis, Ferrari California and R33 GT-R confirmed. Cant wait til the end of the week though.

[Clockw0rk]

It's good that they've included the R33 along with the R32 and 34, even if it was a slow and heavy Grand Tourer compared to the other two. I wonder if they'll have the Nismo Le Mans version of it as a custom tuned/R4 variant? They only made about 3 of them, the race one made about 800whp and the road legal homologation ones were good for about 600whp. Now if we can only get the Hakosuka GT-R in the game, the family will be complete!

Can't wait for the announcement at the end of the week.

[enrique]

That would be pretty cool to see the R33 GT-R LM in the game as an R3/4 along with the R35 that has raced this year in FIA GT1.

[Creedy]

Pretty pathetic that Turn 10 are trying to rig a vote between GT5 and F3 over at CNET.

[Clockw0rk]

Links?

[Surgeon.]

Pretty pathetic that Turn 10 are trying to rig a vote between GT5 and F3 over at CNET.

How are they trying to rig the vote?

[ElPresidente]

They are giving away free Unicorn cars to anyone who votes for Forza 3.

Some (Creedy) would call it pathetic, others would say it is the exact bloody thing that every website, company, etc does when it comes to these ultimately meaningless votes.

Let's face it... they are bribing the converted. Sure, it is rigging the vote if you wear tin foil hats to protect your head from the thought police... just a non-event for everyone else.

[Creedy]

What other polls have been rigged?

[ElPresidente]

Best games website of the year, etc... they are simply incentivising people to vote. It is called marketing. They are only incentivising, they are not manipulating the result.

[Shorty]

I can't imagine many people deciding which game to buy based on a CNET poll.

[ElPresidente]

It is branding, nothing more.

[HiredMan]

What other polls have been rigged?

Remember when Darren busted an Eidos employee voting for an Eidos game in multiple categories of Hyper's GoTY 2009 - on this very site?

It made kotaku.us front page and we had a couple of hundred visitors online...... it was classic :)

[Lazlow]

Hell Bree Olsen's been bribing people on Twitter with pics to vote for her on Twistys Treat of the Year poll for the last 2-3 months >_>

[Shorty]

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Lazlow again.

Spoken like a true Internet porn connoisseur. :cool:

[TrinityJayOne]

Let's face it... they are bribing the converted. Sure, it is rigging the vote if you wear tin foil hats to protect your head from the thought police... just a non-event for everyone else.
http://members.iinet.net.au/~trinityjayone/tinfoil.jpg

THIS SHIT IS ****ING OUTRAGEOUS caps

[Clockw0rk]

*Fingers crossed* Exige Espionage...

[Xanafalgue]

Remember when Darren busted an Eidos employee voting for an Eidos game in multiple categories of Hyper's GoTY 2009 - on this very site?

It made kotaku.us front page and we had a couple of hundred visitors online...... it was classic :)

?????

[Grubdog]

Pretty pathetic that Turn 10 are trying to rig a vote between GT5 and F3 over at CNET.
Pretty pathetic how you'd try and ruin a perfectly good thread.

[Clockw0rk]

Pretty pathetic that Turn 10 are trying to rig a vote between GT5 and F3 over at CNET.
Pathetic AWESOME. I've cast my vote, posted my reply in the forum and am awaiting my Unicorn car. Hope it's not one of the 3 that came with the collector's edition, seeing as I've already got those. Would love an Evo 6 TME or an Espionage.

EDIT: Ferrari 360CS - Anniversary edition! S998 tune and custom paint, pretty fun to drive too. A lot easier than the Major Nelson Mustang.
http://img375.imageshack.us/img375/937/360csanniversary.jpg
In Forza 3 news, La Sarthe has just been officially announced, coinciding with Le Mans 24hrs and their own Forza Le Mans 24hr promo event.
Having a look at some of the car images that people snapped at E3, it looks like the car classes now go all the way to E and possibly an F class. The 8c Competizione is all the way down in D-class where previously it would have been up in B. I'd imagine they'll add a G class for the S13 Silvia too.

[enrique]

Apparently there will be multi class racing, how does one have multiple classes with eight cars, its worked with GRID but GRID had many more cars in each race. Seen those new shots of the R1 Prototypes, damn they look good and so does Le Mans.

[Surgeon.]

I'd imagine they'll add a G class for the S13 Silvia too.

Confirmed . . . new 'Z' junk class. :p

http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/5791/gt4n.jpg

[Clockw0rk]

Oh, you bastard.
I was reading this at work and cracked up laughing at it, and got in trouble for browsing the net at work :(
Brilliant shop, though my car is front engined, not mid :)

[enrique]

Mid engined celica?? haha

[Surgeon.]

Brilliant shop, though my car is front engined, not mid :)

Yeah, noticed that after I posted it but couldn't be bothered editing. I think the original car was RWD, and I cloned the tires but forgot to move the engine up a tad. :p

Was watching some more F3 stuff today. Only just realized that cockpit view will be in all 400 cars. Madness!

[Clockw0rk]

That 400 car figure no doubt includes the custom tuned cars though, most of which will share interiors with their production counterparts. The race car interiors are nothing more than a fancy wheel (which again will be copy/pasted between certain models) so they'll be saving space where they can.

[ElPresidente]

In-car view is no good for racing IMO... all it manages to do is reduce your field of vision and it doesn't work in the same way your eyes do.

Still, nice feature to have.

[Clockw0rk]

Yeah, I'll be sticking to the bonnet cam - hope it has a rear view mirror this time though. In-car view should be fun for replays. I wonder how much it'll change when you apply weight reduction mods?

[enrique]

I'll start with the bonnet cam, but I'll try in car because I like to experience the race from the drivers view. As far as the weight reduction goes, I dont know what they'll do, maybe they might just remove the passenger seat/s and add the rollcage, mmmmm rollcage....:)

[HiredMan]

I don't think the weight reduction will affect how the interior looks (bar possible rollcage addition) but would be cool if it did, with carpets, door cards, seats and even the dash getting turfed at the different stages.

[Clockw0rk]

Yeah, a race dash with would be pretty awesome with full weight reduction.
Wonder if cars like the ZR1 and BMW M5 will have the HUD?

[TrinityJayOne]

I'd prefer that weight reduction doesn't change the dash, otherwise you'll end up with Generic Dash #47 in every car.

I'm aiming for the full blown Fanatec wheel, so I'll probably play through the career with AI on an easier setting but with full simulation and in-car cam. With any luck they'll be smart about it and include virtual head height & depth, as well as movement from forces and something like GTR2's "look to apex" setting. If the virtual head doesn't move at all or moves too much, it'll be ruined. Fingers crossed!

[Shorty]

I disagree. I think it would detract from the realism more if you had race weight reduction but could still see the navigation system in the Skyline or R8. Just stripping out some of the interior materials and replacing the stereo and A/C with blank panels or whatever would be fine.

[HiredMan]

I'm aiming for the full blown Fanatec wheel, so I'll probably play through the career with AI on an easier setting but with full simulation and in-car cam. With any luck they'll be smart about it and include virtual head height & depth, as well as movement from forces and something like GTR2's "look to apex" setting. If the virtual head doesn't move at all or moves too much, it'll be ruined. Fingers crossed!

I'm aiming for the Fanatec clubsport setup also, although the potential $1,000 pricetag (the full Turbo S Clubsport setup, including the Clubsport pedalbox, sequential and H-gate shifters is 500 Euro on their site) is pretty scary!

Wishlist: I hope they really tone down the steering assist for controller input for Forza 3. It's way too assisted in Forza 2: you know all's not right with the world when there is not a wheel in sight on the top lap times leaderboards.

[Clockw0rk]

Pretty sure that Turbo S Clubsport model is limited to 10,000 units, though the model down from it is essentially the same. Anyway, as much as I would love a clutch and H-gate, I can’t justify the price tag. The main things I’m after in the Fanatec wheel are a larger diameter than the tiny Microsoft wheel and an easier to reach handbrake button. If they can do that for me in the base model then I’ll be happy. The remaining $800 can buy a lot of things for my real car.

[Surgeon.]

In-car view is no good for racing IMO


Since when do you race anyway? I once heard a rumor that you used to play Forza 2 online on a regular basis. Too busy in the paint shop I guess. :p

But yeah, I'll stick to bonnet view although I imagine having some forced cockpit view races might be kinda fun.

[freeradical]

Forza 3 LeMans video and other pics

http://jalopnik.com/5292747/forza-motorsport-3-le-mans-screen-shots-partial-car-list

[TrinityJayOne]

Corvette Z06
Corvette ZR1
Alfa Romeo 8C
Aston Martin DBS
Aston Martin DB5 Vantage
Audi R8 4.2L V8
Audi R8 5.2L V10
BMW 135i
BMW E92 M3
Cadillac 2009 CTS-V
Dodge Challenger SRT8
Dodge Viper SRT10 ACR
Ferrari California
Ferrari F430 Scuderia
Ferrari 599 GTB Fiorano
Fiat 500
Ford 1968 Shelby Mustang GT-500KR
Ford GT
Ford RS200
Honda Civic
Honda NSX
Jaguar XKR
Lamborghini LP640-4
Lotus Elise
Lotus Evora
Maserati Gran Turismo
Mercedes-McLaren SLR
Mercedes-Benz CLS 63 AMG
Mercedes-Benz ML 63 AMG
Mercedes-Benz SL 65 AMG Black Series
MINI Cooper S
Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution X GSR
Nissan 370Z
Nissan Sentra
Nissan Skyline GT-R R33
Pagani Zonda C12-S
Porsche 997 GT2
Subaru Impreza WRX STI
Tesla Roadster
TVR Sagaris

Alfa! :D Of those that are new, I'm stoked about the 135i, Evora, Fiat 500 and the Cooper S. With any luck those last two are the originals, not the remakes.

[Lazlow]

Nissan Sentra

LOL why?

[Clockw0rk]

Someone at turn 10 said "let's put in a crappy Nissan". Someone suggested the Pulsar but everyone laughed and said "not quite THAT crappy".

Seriously though, isn't it in Forza 2 as well? There's a lot of crappy cars that nobody would ever consider using.

[Lazlow]

Someone suggested the Pulsar but everyone laughed and said "not quite THAT crappy".


I guess that's why they left out the Celica GT Four as well :p



























Who am I kidding >_>

Yeah the Sentra's in F2, don't see why it needs to make a return, unless there's a few more cars of a similar ilk.

[HiredMan]

Apparently Nissan paid Turn 10 big bux to have the shitty cars put in :) which makes it all the more puzzling why the GT-R team wouldn't let it be included unless it couldn't be damaged, tuned or have non OEM wheels.....

[Clockw0rk]

Apparently Nissan paid Turn 10 big bux to have the shitty cars put in :) which makes it all the more puzzling why the GT-R team wouldn't let it be included unless it couldn't be damaged, tuned or have non OEM wheels.....
To be fair, those are just rumours. There's always been crap cars in every Forza game - half of the American cars in Forza 2 are useless econoboxes, and there's a lot of terrible VWs and Audis too. If Turn 10 were going to announce the GT-R I doubt they'd do it straight away, it's a pretty famous car - I'm willing to bet it'll get a special announcement.

Alfa! :D Of those that are new, I'm stoked about the 135i, Evora, Fiat 500 and the Cooper S. With any luck those last two are the originals, not the remakes.
I can guarantee they'll be the remakes. The Abarth 500 would be cool too though. I'd also like to see a couple more Alfas, such as the 147 and the Brera. Some of their old race cars would be sweet too.

[StorminNorman]

Dear Turn 10.

Porsche 917.

Regards,

SN.

[enrique]

Dear StorminNorman

I would like to subscribe to your newsletter

Regards Enrique

[HiredMan]

Dear Turn 10.

Porsche 917.

Regards,

SN.

Dear Turn 10.

Porsche 908.

Porsche 917.

Porsche 917/30.

Porsche 935.

Porsche 956.

Porsche RS Spyder.

Sincerely,

HM

[Clockw0rk]

Dear Turn 10.

KPGC10 Skyline.
RIPS 240z as a custom tuned car.
RB30 engine swaps.
Engine swaps that change the weight distribution, not just the overall weight.

Sincerely,
Clockw0rk

[Lazlow]

More flexible engine swaps. If I want to put a 20B into an M3, I should be allowed to, ITS BEEN DONE IRL (well, into a 320i i think)

[Clockw0rk]

Yeah, manufacturers would love it if you could put the opposition's engine into their car to make it better.

[Lazlow]

Screw those jerks :p

[TrinityJayOne]

I can guarantee they'll be the remakes.
Well the Alfa Romeo 8C is almost 80 years old, so there's hope to be had imo.

Speaking of which, HOORAY FOR OLD CARS!! :D I'm hoping that that particular Alfa is in the game due to Le Mans being included, and therefore a shitload of cars like Bugattis and Auto Unions will also be included.

[Clockw0rk]

Well the Alfa Romeo 8C is almost 80 years old, so there's hope to be had imo.

Speaking of which, HOORAY FOR OLD CARS!! :D I'm hoping that that particular Alfa is in the game due to Le Mans being included, and therefore a shitload of cars like Bugattis and Auto Unions will also be included.
Pretty sure they mean the 8C Competizione, which has been confirmed.
http://img200.imageshack.us/img200/705/alfap.jpg

[TrinityJayOne]

:(

I hope you're wrong!

[Clockw0rk]

Forza 3 will cost you $60. But the Forza 3 Limited Edition will cost you $80. What's jacking the price up by $20 get you? It doesn't look like it gets you much at all.

Those parting with the extra cash will receive:

- a 2GB USB drive and a keychain, both "specially branded" (ie they've got the Forza logo on them)

- "Forza Motorsport VIP Membership", which will "entitle gamers to special treatment at the game's auction house, community storefront, and on the game's official forums."

- 5 cars, "available only through your VIP membership"

- "Exclusive Collector's Edition Car Pack", which is five cars that have been "hand tuned and hand painted by the developers at Turn 10"

- A Forza 3 dashboard theme.

So a couple of cheap trinkets, vague community perks and some in-game cars is worth $20 now? What a world we live in.
While this won't be much of a buy for the average gamer, the community stuff seems like it could actually be worth the money for people who are keen to invest more time into the game (i.e. me). Unicorn cars and auction house perks? Count me in.

[Surgeon.]

Any other game I wouldn't care, but I'll probably splurge and get the Limited Edition.

[Lazlow]

Yeah, that's a pretty cynical view Kotaku has taken :/

10 bonus cars/tunes sounds nice to me.

[dende d. guardian]

have they released info on whether they're going to have differing weather conditions?

[JONO RANDOM H3RO]

Haven't heard/seen anything, but i I really hope there will be :) . Would add more variety to the 'always sunny' Forza 2. Hopefully theres night time at least, considering Le Mans is in the game though i'd say it's a given.

[StorminNorman]

It's not always sunny in Forza 2. Silverstone is at least somewhat overcast, as befits its English location.

[Clockw0rk]

I'm not a fan of Silverstone mainly due to the fact that it's ugly. Same reason I dislike the test tracks.

[enrique]

I dont mind Silverstone but I hate the test tracks, they have no ryhthem (sp) and are to stop-start to flow like a good track like Maple Valley does. The new test tracks for Forza 3 look good though but the proof will be in the eating.

SUVs and Luxury sedans confirmed including the Pontiac G8 GXP known us aussies as the VE Commodore, as well as the BMW M5 and the new Jag XKR-S coupe. :cool:

http://forzamotorsport.net/en-us/VIP_style.aspx

[HiredMan]

Have there been any screens released yet featuring Porsches? I know they're in there (I've seen a shot of the race finish screen with a 997 GT2 on the list) but afaik no screens have been released yet :/

[Clockw0rk]

They're saving the Porsches for a slow news week :p

[Xanafalgue]

have they released info on whether they're going to have differing weather conditions?

I think the dev confirmed there wont be which is disappointing.

[dimorphic]

I think the dev confirmed there wont be which is disappointing.

Yeah that is dissapointing. I'm a bit slow on the Forza 3 news, so is there confirmation of a day/night cycle.

[Clockw0rk]

I'm gonna guess there won't be. There may be night tracks, though I'm doubtful. To be honest it won't detract from the experience at all, though I'm pretty sure they'd be in the game if the disc size allowed for it.

[TrinityJayOne]

Then what of the 24h Le Mans? Is it held in Antartica according to Turn 10?

[adam_91vn]

Have there been any screens released yet featuring Porsches? I know they're in there (I've seen a shot of the race finish screen with a 997 GT2 on the list) but afaik no screens have been released yet :/

Yeah there has been. I'll dig it up

[Gemerald]

I'm gonna guess there won't be. There may be night tracks, though I'm doubtful. To be honest it won't detract from the experience at all, though I'm pretty sure they'd be in the game if the disc size allowed for it.

Could they spread the game over multiple discs or perhaps allow you to install to HDD (from multiple) and only use 1 disc to verify. Perhaps much more could be included.

Personally I'm still cramming through RACE Pro. If anyone wants the online achievements holla me?

[adam_91vn]

Have there been any screens released yet featuring Porsches? I know they're in there (I've seen a shot of the race finish screen with a 997 GT2 on the list) but afaik no screens have been released yet :/

http://jalopnik.com/assets/images/gallery/12/2009/07/thumb1280x1280_3706790133_f1550d8cbe_o.jpg

[Lazlow]

Personally I'm still cramming through RACE Pro. If anyone wants the online achievements holla me?

After re-installing GTR2, I've come to the conclusion/acceptance that RACE Pro ain't that great. Disappointing really.

[Gemerald]

After re-installing GTR2, I've come to the conclusion/acceptance that RACE Pro ain't that great. Disappointing really.

That's cool, just hit me up if you want a race sometime plus there's the achievement for online racing. Also, you're not the only one who was disappointed. I'm a bit disappointed in the content but I still enjoy playing the game and have had a few games multiplayer and they've been okay.

[HiredMan]

http://jalopnik.com/assets/images/gallery/12/2009/07/thumb1280x1280_3706790133_f1550d8cbe_o.jpg

Ah yep, I had actually seen that one. It's the new Cayman shooting brake..... undecided on whether I like it yet but as I read somewhere, it's bound to have the highest dead hooker capacity of any sportscar yet!

[TrinityJayOne]

Kinda looks someone at Porsche drove a Volvo C30 and thought "this won't do at all!" :P

[Clockw0rk]

The Yaris is confirmed, so I'm happy. It gives me a chance to repost this:
http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/3973/toyotayariscustomwidebo.jpg
That widebody kit lets it roll on 17x9s, and the amp/subwoofer setup can be removed for track use. Here's hoping they let us make something like it in Forza 3.

[Lazlow]

Ugly car is ugly.

[Clockw0rk]

Awesome car is awesome. It's obviously not to everyone's tastes but you've got to admire someone willing to do something that excessive to a car like the Yaris.

[Lazlow]

Maybe not the Yaris, there was a dude who spent years and a lot of money R&D'ing how to Turbo his Corolla E150. No one has done it apparently.

[Clockw0rk]

If you're going to be fabricating everything then a turbo conversion really shouldn't be difficult. RE Amemiya have a turbo Mazda Demio as a company runabout.

[Lazlow]

Easy for a tuning house, not so for a single guy in his garage with a full time job.

[Clockw0rk]

A single guy in a garage with a full-time job probably shouldn't be spending a crapload of money trying to do a turbo conversion on an economy engine. He'd be better off taking it to a tuning house and paying them to do it.

[Lazlow]

'cept it hadn't been done before.

[Clockw0rk]

So a tuning house is the perfect place to take it. They fabricate things like that for a living.

[Lazlow]

Dug out the article to get the story straight; wrong car, its a Corolla e120 Sportivo.

Toyota Australia should hire Bilal for its Research & Development division, give him a really big desk in a plush office, plus a designated parking sport for the car that, according to him "puts a smile on my face each and every time I hit the accelerator". If Toyota down-under had built a blown Corolla half as good as this one, it would've kissed goodbye the 'whitegoods on wheels' tag once and for all.
"I've built it as a performance vehicle with the capability to be used for drag and circuit work, so I can experience a few forms of motorsports," explained Bilal, "It's not aimed at being a show 'n' shine car. It also currently performs the task of being my A-to-B car".

The fact that few, if anyone, had attempted to modify the ZZE120 Corolla Sportivo at that stage meant that the very first setback for Bilal was information. With very little data available anywhere, he spent the initial year of his project simply researching the engine build. Bilal even travelled to Europe, plus established contacts with workshops in Japan, the USA, and South Africa, to best educate himself.
"I proceeded down the NA modification path, buying all the bolt-on bits I could find overseas, as not much was being produced here," Bilal outlined, "Then, I made the conscious decision that bang-for-buck meant forced induction."
Here began a three-year-plus project that was completed in January 2008.


A tuning house I'd imagine would have cost more in R&D, parts and labour. Plus there is I guess the satisfaction of overcoming the challenge yourself.

[Clockw0rk]

That's the 1.8 2ZZ from the 2000+ Celica and MR2, right? Pretty cool. I do like people who put in the effort to do something new and interesting - the MR Integra (http://www.team-integra.net/forum/display_topic_threads.asp?
ForumID=15&TopicID=106670&ReturnPage=1&PagePosition=0&Thread
Page=1) has to be one of the coolest car projects I've ever seen.

Back on topic, I saw screenshots of the SUVs. Although it's probably not a complete list, I was disappointed by the lack of actual sport models - where's the twin turbo viper powered Dodge Ram? The Porsche Cayenne was also absent.

[TrinityJayOne]

Eh? In the latest dev blog they mentioned the Cayenne.

[Clockw0rk]

Ah, so they did. Oops :)

[adam_91vn]

Some newish images

http://images.gamersyde.com/image_forza_motorsport_3-11236-1856_0001.jpg

http://images.gamersyde.com/image_forza_motorsport_3-11236-1856_0002.jpg

http://images.gamersyde.com/image_forza_motorsport_3-11236-1856_0003.jpg

http://images.gamersyde.com/image_forza_motorsport_3-11236-1856_0004.jpg

http://images.gamersyde.com/image_forza_motorsport_3-11236-1856_0005.jpg

http://images.gamersyde.com/image_forza_motorsport_3-11236-1856_0006.jpg

[adam_91vn]

Audi r8 :cool:
http://images.gamersyde.com/image_forza_motorsport_3-11236-1856_0010.jpg
http://images.gamersyde.com/image_forza_motorsport_3-11236-1856_0007.jpg

http://images.gamersyde.com/image_forza_motorsport_3-11236-1856_0008.jpg

http://images.gamersyde.com/image_forza_motorsport_3-11236-1856_0009.jpg

Collectors

http://i30.tinypic.com/jq3rlu.jpg

http://www.xboxygen.com/IMG/jpg/forza3_collector3.jpg

http://www.xboxygen.com/IMG/jpg/forza3_collector2.jpg

[TrinityJayOne]

Fapping over that keyring and the USB. This is why I pre-order big games the instant they are announced and make 'em put a "call to confirm LE" on my file. :D

[Clockw0rk]

That keyring is pretty sexy. The chrome is peeling off my Rockstar one, looks like I'll be trading up.
Does it come with a book like FM2 did? That was actually a pretty decent read.

[enrique]

That looks great, I got the LE for FM2 and was quite pleased but this is so much better!

Sweet looking keyring, thats sharp.

[HiredMan]

Thars me GT3 RS :D Looks a little squashed though, not quite wide enough. Do hope they'll include the mk.2 GT3 and upcoming mk.2 Turbo and GT2's....

EDIT: in the 4th and 5th shots the Gallardo and 'vette look squashed too :/

[enrique]

Glad to hear point to point tracks are back and the ability to upgrade production cars to R-class racers is pretty cool too kinda like the LM racers in Gran Turismo. R4 class Yaris anyone?? :)

[dimorphic]

The LE looks so awesome! Sexy, sexy USB drive.

[Shorty]

Yep, I'm sold on this LE, too.

[Hyperblau]

USB drive would be sexier if it actually had a decent capacity, 2gb is pretty weak these days. I reckon they cost about 20 bucks for a half decent one.

It's a very good looking LE though, very classy, and not ridiculous like 90% of the ones coming out recently.

[enrique]

Kokatu reports that we will get it before the Americans do!!

23rd October! And Microsoft say there wont be any delays into 2010, hope they stick with that..............

http://kotaku.com/5324236/release-date-finally-catches-up-with-forza-3

New Euro compacts and Catalunya revealed in latest PitPass

2009 Alfa Romeo Brera Ti
2009 Alfa Romeo Mito
2010 Fiat 500 Abarth SS
2009 Ford Fiesta Zetec S
2009 Ford Focus RS :D:D
2009 Lotus Evora :D:D
2009 MINI John Cooper Works
2009 Renault Twingo Renault Sport Cup
2008 Saab 9-3 Turbo X
2009 SEAT Ibiza Cupra
2009 Vauxhall Corsa VXR
2009 Volvo C30 R-Design


I cannot wait for this..

[adam_91vn]

$119.95 for the LE on Games website.

http://www.game.com.au/showtitle?code=FORZA3CE

$104.00 web only price.

[HiredMan]

Definitely glad to see the Focus RS and Evora in there (although I wouldn't really call the Evora a "compact", lol).

Hope they get the RenaultSport Megane R26.R in there, thing's a beast (quicker than the RS in all the track tests I've seen).