Lost - Final Season Countdown

[Bronze]

So we're still half a year out from the final season of Lost, but that's not going to stop an inevitable drip-feed of potential spoilers and information from leaking out.

If you're planning to post potential spoilers, make sure you use tags.

Feel free to try and decipher what the hell has happened in the previous five seasons as well. Anyone that can summarise it for me in 50 words or less gets a cookie*.

[spoiler]*may not get a cookie.

[banjoeskimo]

Oh boy oh boy...

First up, some notes on casting info that's circulating the internet, and what that might mean for the season six opener...

Apparently, the creators are trying to get everyone from season one back on the show. Anyone who's seen the entire series can probably guess what this means for the season five finale: Jack is going to get everyone stuck in a time loop, and season six will open where season one began. The only question is; what's going to be different this time around?

Regardless of those rumours, I'm guessing there's only a couple of ways the end of season five can pan out...

The Bomb Fails - It doesn't work, they're still stuck in the '70s, and the only way out is to hole up in the temple and wait 30 years, at which point a very old looking Jin will finally see Sun again.

The Bomb Kinda Fails, Kinda Works - The bomb does cause a time travel event, however it only succeeds in re-syncing everyone in the '70s with the 2007 Losties. Jack spends the entire season being a guilt ridden bitch because his plan didn't work and he has yet more deaths to deal with.

The Bomb Works - Island Edition - Everyone wakes up on Oceanic 815, only to discover that The Incident is actually caused by Jack's actions in the '70s and they crash on the island all over again. Presumably, characters would have to realise they're now in a time loop, or at least figure it out pretty early on otherwise five seasons worth of character development will have been for naught. No clue what this would do non season-one characters like Miles.

The Bomb Works - LA Edition - Jack's plan works as intended, and everyone ends up in LA. Absolutely no freaking clue what this would do to the show.

Originally, I thought the second option was the most likely, after all, who wants to lose 5 seasons of story and character development because Jack got butthurt over a girl? Lately, however, I'm starting to think it might be option number three...

I've been reading a lot of Philip K. Dick over the last couple of weeks, and I stumbled across a story today by the name of A Little Something For Us Tempunauts. Back in season four when they started getting into time travel significantly (specifically, The Constant, when Desmond's mind starting time traveling) the writers borrowed very heavily from Dick. This isn't surprising, Lost borrows heavily from everything, the show's basically a gigantic TV collage of various stories from just about everywhere. Anyway, the first time they delved significantly into time travel, it borrowed heavily from Dick's story Valis (which Ben also ended up reading sometime in season four). How much did they borrow? Pink laser that transports someone's mind through time... all from Valis. So, my interest was piqued when I started reading Tempunauts today.

The story revolves around a group of time travelers who believe they've found themselves in a loop, that they're only partially aware of. In order to fix the loop, they decide that they want to cause a large explosion next time they time travel, an action that they believe will finally stop the loop for good. As it turns out, the explosion is actually what causes the loop, and ends up cementing them in one. Permanently. Oh, and the phrase "Dead is Dead" is used pretty significantly in the story too.

Anyway, combine that with the fact that Lost was apparently meant to be called "Circle" originally, and I'm sure you can see where I'm going with this.

My prediction for the season six opener...

Everyone wakes up on Oceanic 815 in 2004. We find out that The Incident didn't fix everything, in fact, it actually created the problem it was trying to solve. The plane crashes all over again, and either by memory or some kind of deus ex machina-esque evidence, Jack discovers they're in a time loop. Season six is spent trying to figure out how to stop the time loop. The big reveal is that not only has Jack created a time loop, this isn't the first time it's happened. Everything we've seen from seasons 1-5 was all one giant flashback.

[Zeph101]

Everything we've seen from seasons 1-5 was all one giant flashback.

That'd be right. God I both hate and love this show.

[Second]

That would be AWESOME.

[Pauly]

the writers have confirmed that there will be no more time travel/time loops. we are in one time period from here till the shows end. when exactly is another matter altogether.

[adam_91vn]

When the tv season finished in America I started watching lost. Never seen it before started May 25 finished 103 eps and 2 recaps in 46 days http://smiliesftw.com/x/laugh2.gif (http://smiliesftw.com)

Cant wait to watch the new season.

[banjoeskimo]

the writers have confirmed that there will be no more time travel/time loops. we are in one time period from here till the shows end. when exactly is another matter altogether.

That seems to run counter to some tidbits put forth by Michael Fox about season six (http://spoilerslost.blogspot.com/2009/06/matthew-fox-chats-about-season-6-and.html).

About a third of the way through the season both time lines will be "solidified into one time" and there will be one linear time throughout the story on the island with no more flashbacks.

Also note that the writers have also said that the show wasn't going to involve time travel. Furthermore, if you're a tricky bastard (see: Lost writers), technically you could open with the time loop, as it would conclude season five, and then just make sure there's no new time gunk from there.

[fishfishmonkeyhat]

This isn't surprising, Lost borrows heavily from everything,

Maybe more than you thought (http://au.tv.ign.com/articles/100/1004096p1.html).

[Banjo Tooie]

Eibach, they're not just gonna throw away this whole "Locke is Smokey" thing. You have to take that shit into consideration.

[Sweating Bullets]

When Jacob said "They are coming", I think it was in reference to the Losties who did the explosion

[banjoeskimo]

Eibach, they're not just gonna throw away this whole "Locke is Smokey" thing. You have to take that shit into consideration.

Sorry, forgot to mention that. Honestly I don't think they will, I was just guessing there'd be two timelines (just like season five), except now it'd be 2004 Redux and 2007 with Darth Locke.

Presumably, if a time loop is caused there's nothing that says that the loop happens for everyone, just those involved in the loop creating event. If that's the case, there's no need for the 2007 Losties to be affected. In fact, that would probably be the saving grace of the story because they'd be the few people who remain "constant" to the story without any risk of their stories, characters and memories being re-written.

Either way, I'm still betting heavily on the loop timeline, between the casting info and the aforementioned bits and pieces it seems the most likely.

As for the lawsuit, I call bullshit. Most of the stuff this guy claims is a rip is from season one (it took you six years?), and furthermore, as good as season one of Lost is, it doesn't seem too hard to come up with a lot of the circumstances they did. Even if they did rip it, the material was generic enough to begin with that I don't take it to be a big deal, and they've developed so far beyond that now that they more than deserve to call it their own material.

[Pauly]

he's actually tried to sue them twice already. it's pretty stupid though because i'm sure many people have come up with the whole cast away idea before.

[Pauly]

out of curiosity when does the final season kick off?

[adam_91vn]

Next year some time

[banjoeskimo]

It'll run from February to May, just like it did this year.

[banjoeskimo]

Season 6 poster revealed...

Click (http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_RrObyQ3XzcY/SmyjUQFkcJI/AAAAAAAAvgA/lQF1yin1xZs/s1600-h/s6poster.jpg).

Yes, that is every major cast member standing alongside Locke with his back turned in the middle.

Also, some season 6 tidbits (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/news/e3i52c27f7dd43be4590a23294b40468d8b).

Apparently whatever happens, seasons 1 through 5 won't be invalidated even if Jack's plan worked (which judging from the poster, it did.) Alternate universe, anyone?

[Shadow Knight]

http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/9594/domalivej.jpg

Hells yes.

(In case you can't see; "Am i alive?" written on Dom Monaghan's hand during his cameo at Lost's comic-con panel on the weekend)

[Zeph101]

It doesn't matter, not until they bring back Mr. Echo or better yet Dr. Arzt.

[fishfishmonkeyhat]

Yes, that is every major cast member standing alongside Locke with his back turned in the middle.

Including dead ones?

[banjoeskimo]

Including dead ones?

Yes indeedy.

[fishfishmonkeyhat]

But dead is.. something. I forget what.

It was important though.

[Sweating Bullets]

I really disliked Charlie towards the end. He needs to stay dead.

Anyone else get the feeling that there is far too much to wrap neatly?

[bulkerking]

I'm sure they think of some reason to tie it all together. I prob need to re watch the whole thing again just to get my head around it. It get's me thinking maybe Jack will be the first one to die just like they all ways wanted :) ... (If anyone got a good memory like Eibach does they wanted Jack to die first)
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[Pauly]

to those worried: they've brought us this far and haven't disappointed. have faith!

[Sweating Bullets]

I just have a feeling that a lot of the mysteries that were introduced in the first 2 season have fallen by the wayside.

Like Libby being in the mental institute. What was the deal with Dave (Hugo's fake friend) being on the island? Why were there polar bears on the island? How Inman got onto the island? Why did the Others want Walt and what was the testing?

Not the biggest of mysteries in the series but stuff I would like to see some form of closure on. I just have a feeling that they bit off more than they could chew.

[banjoeskimo]

Libby's story won't be wrapped, although not for lack of trying. Apparently the actress who plays her has refused to come back to the show due to other commitments, and the writers feel it would be cheap to just name drop her and explain away what she was doing, so... it won't be resolved? But at least there's a reason.

Dave is a good question. My money right now is on Dave being another manifestation of the smoke monster (just like how Yemi showed up for Eko, and Alex for Ben), however what its intention was, we don't know.

Polar bears at this point just seem to fit into a generic "Scientists were on the island testing shit" excuse. I think they mostly just served as one of many plot devices (especially during season one) to let viewers know that something weird was happening on the island, and they weren't the first ones there.

Walt's story is another good one. I will be very surprised if they don't wrap that one up well. What with all the characters coming back, we might actually see Walt and Michael again. I guess we now know why they had to film a section with Jack and Walt way back in season 1 for usage at the end of the show?

Also, if it's any help, one of the definite things we got from this year's Comic Con is that we'll finally find out how the Dharma food drop worked in season 2, so, it looks like they're trying pretty hard to wrap as much as they can. I'm hopeful they'll provide a satisfying ending, but we'll see.

[AranchineD]

I thought the popular explanation for the polar bears was they were supposed to be used to turn the Wheel?

[dinopoke]

Anyone else get the feeling that there is far too much to wrap neatly?

Pretty much the main thing I'm worried about for the series. I really hope they don't do the 'ambigious ending, some questions were best left unanswered' thing and instead tie (mostly) everything up nicely.

[Dark Wader]

I thought the popular explanation for the polar bears was they were supposed to be used to turn the Wheel?

Yeah that was the impression I got when they found the bones in Tunsia. Which begs the question - the bear had a dharma collar. So Dharma has turned the wheel before?

[banjoeskimo]

Crap, how did I not discuss the rest of the Comic Con stuff in here? Oh well, here goes. I'm putting spoiler tags around this just in case, but for anyone worried, I'm only going to discuss things discovered at Comic Con and via the new alternate reality game to tease season six, so this is all stuff that's canon and that we're "allowed / meant" to know before season six starts, but if you want to go in totally blind then stop reading.

First up, we have all the videos from Comic Con (http://spoilerslost.blogspot.com/2009/07/all-lost-comic-con-videos.html). For those who don't have time to watch, I'll summarise...

-There's an ad for Oceanic (set in 2009) that claims they were started in 1979 and have a 30 year, unbroken safety record.

-There's an ad for Mr Cluck's, hosted by Hurley, introducing some very cheesy "Aussie" menu items after Hurley returned from his trip to Australia and was inspired to start a new chicken dish.

-And finally a clip for America's Most Wanted, claiming that Kate Austen is still on the run after killing her step-father's apprentice in a huge fireball intended for her step-dad.

All of these videos were meant to tease what's happening in season six, but there's a problem; all of the videos violate the original Lost timeline. Oceanic can't have a clean safety record after 815, Hurley can't have made it back from Australia, and most importantly, Kate killed her step-dad, not his apprentice.

The reason I say Kate's is most important is because these videos prove that not only did Jack's plan work (since 815 apparently made it back safely), but causing The Incident actually changed things before 815 ever got in the air (as demonstrated by Kate's killing the wrong guy before she ever gets on an Oceanic flight.)

The only question I have now is; how are they going to reconcile alternate reality versions of the original cast with the ones we've been watching for 5 years? Will there be two, distinct universes where both Jacks/Kates/Hurleys/etc are alive, or does the new alternate Jack invalidate the old? If so, will they ever regain knowledge of their old selves? Season six is going to be crazy.

Oh, and for anyone not yet convinced that we'll be dealing with an alternate timeline (at least for part of the season), the first episode of season six has been officially named...

LA X

And yes, the space between the LA and X is intentional.

[adam_91vn]

Not sure about the alternate timeline though

Carlton Cuse has said that time-travel season is over and the flash-forward season is over and they're moving on to something altogether different for season six .

[fishfishmonkeyhat]

Maybe they're bumping up the zombie season?

[Pauly]

Not sure about the alternate timeline though.
no more time travel doesn't mean that the bomb didn't work. all it means is that there won't be more time traveling.

just saw the comicon videos. such a long wait for feb :(

[adam_91vn]

Season 6 poster revealed...

Click (http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_RrObyQ3XzcY/SmyjUQFkcJI/AAAAAAAAvgA/lQF1yin1xZs/s1600-h/s6poster.jpg).

Yes, that is every major cast member standing alongside Locke with his back turned in the middle.




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[fishfishmonkeyhat]

Is the official lost podcast broken for anyone else?

I know they don't do many podcasts in the off season but itunes is telling me the link is dead or something.

[banjoeskimo]

As interesting as the final season poster is with cast members, I'm more interested in the text. I think this is the first time they've put hieroglyphics front and centre on the advertising material, so I'm guessing we're going to get some pretty heavy island history/reveals soon... which, I guess is kind of obvious anyway, this is their only opportunity left to do it.

I've been rewatching Lost from the beginning in anticipation of season six, just got up to season 3. Fun things I've noticed so far...

-In the very first episode when Locke's teaching Walt how to play backgammon, he has this fun little speech where he claims that it's a game that's been played since before the time of Christ, between to players, "Light and Dark." Seems like pretty epic foreshadowing of the apparent game between Jacob and his nemesis, as revealed in the season 5 finale.

-In season 2 when Ben is still "Henry Gale," he reveals to Locke that the reason he was captured is because he was on his way to the camp to find Locke. Yet more foreshadowing of season 5 events when we find out The Others have been looking for Locke all this time.

-Time travel was hinted at all the way back in season 2. In "The Long Con," Hurley gives Sayid a short range radio, wanting to know if he could boost its signal. Sayid does this successfully, and while testing it on the beach they manage to pick up a radio signal of very old music. Sayid claims the music could be coming from "anywhere in the world," and Hurley replies "Or any... time......... just kidding, dude!" Apparently it was confirmed in an official season 5 Lost podcast that the two had, in fact, picked up a radio signal from the 1940s due to the unique properties of the island.

[Pauly]

I didn't see the hieroglyphics. Makes sense if they're planning on filling us in soon :p

-In the very first episode when Locke's teaching Walt how to play backgammon, he has this fun little speech where he claims that it's a game that's been played since before the time of Christ, between to players, "Light and Dark." Seems like pretty epic foreshadowing of the apparent game between Jacob and his nemesis, as revealed in the season 5 finale.
Yeah I initially thought of that scene too when watching the finale last year. It's stuff like this that fuels my Lost fanaticism.

-Time travel was hinted at all the way back in season 2. In "The Long Con," Hurley gives Sayid a short range radio, wanting to know if he could boost its signal. Sayid does this successfully, and while testing it on the beach they manage to pick up a radio signal of very old music. Sayid claims the music could be coming from "anywhere in the world," and Hurley replies "Or any... time......... just kidding, dude!" Apparently it was confirmed in an official season 5 Lost podcast that the two had, in fact, picked up a radio signal from the 1940s due to the unique properties of the island.
Really! That is awesome. Although I guess they could just be saying that. There's no telling if they originally meant it to be from the past. Still cool though!

[AranchineD]

So there you go; bah to whoever said the writers are making it up as they go along. >_>

[banjoeskimo]

That always cracks me up. Especially when you get to season 3 and beyond, the show is just so incredibly layered with references it's not even funny.

This is an average episode in season 5 (http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/316). Scroll down to "cultural references" and take a look. Even if only half of those references were intentional (and I seriously doubt they're by accident) that's still an impressive feat.

Granted, that doesn't automatically prove everything in the show was planned, but the notion that the series is somehow slapdash or thrown together unintentionally at the last minute is clearly absurd.

[Pauly]

Agreed. People do always look into stuff too much though. I can remember writing my major work for English back in year 12. My teacher was amazed at a lot of the references and literary techniques I was employing. It was news to me. I just went with it :p

[banjoeskimo]

More fun stuff from season 3...

In "Par Avion" Mikhail lectures Sayid and Kate as to why they are not on Jacob's list, insinuating they are not good enough. He then turns to Locke, and mentions that the John Locke he knew, although only a fleeting memory... and then is cut off. Seems like pretty solid foreshadowing of Locke's future time traveling adventures. Presumably, young Mikhail was in one of the time jumps we saw in season five, although I'm unsure which one.

In "The Man From Tallahassee" Locke asks Ben how The Others have electricity. Ben quips that they get it from two hamsters running on a giant wheel in their secret underground lair. I doubt this is intentional, but it made me think of the Donkey Wheel under The Orchid.

[banjoeskimo]

Okay, finally finished season 5 again, I'm all caught up in time for season 6. Here's the last few interesting bits I noticed...

In "316" at the Lamp Post station when Eloise Hawking is telling Jack how they need to get back to the island, she tells Jack that he'll need to find something of his father's to put with Locke. When Jack asks, why, she very coyly replies that it's because Locke will be acting as a "substitute," and is exceptionally vague in her explanation. Obviously this is pretty epic foreshadowing to the season finale, but watching it now I can't help but think Eloise is on the side of Jacob's nemesis, and was fully aware that she has a hand in creating his loophole for him.

In "The Life & Death of Jeremy Bentham," Locke visits New York to see Walt. During their encounter, Walt mentions that he's been having dreams about Locke; that he's on a beach, surrounded by people who want to kill him. Pretty sure this is how season 6 is going to open once The Others figure out he just killed Jacob. Also fairly certain that we just got a pretty big insight into what Walt's powers are, or at least one of them. Looks like he's in the Desmond camp of being able to see the future.

Finally, I'm pretty sure we've already seen a scene from season six. In "The Little Price," there's a scene where the time-skipping Losties are making their way around the island in a canoe so they can get to The Orchid station. During their trip, another group in a canoe starts shooting at them, right before they're saved by another time skip. Right before this, there's a scene where they find the canoes on the beach of the main island, with one of them containing an Aijira Airlines water bottle. This places them in 2007, AFTER the 316 survivors have rowed from Hydra island to the main island. Since we didn't see anyone taking potshots at one another in the season finale (when Illana & co were rowing Frank and Locke's crate across to the main island), I'm going to assume this occurs sometime during the 2007 timeline, AFTER what we've seen in the season finale.

This is notable for two reasons. First, we've seen something from next season, which is really cool. Secondly, and more importantly, if the 2007 timeline continues after the season finale, it implies that the bomb didn't work. But then you have the teaser videos for season six from the 2009 Comic Con, which imply that it did work (since all the videos violate the original Lost timeline.) At this point I'm all but certain we'll be seeing an alternate reality next season, but my guess is it'll be one that will exist alongside the existing timeline, so they can preserve the original story. Only question now is how the alt reality timeline will interact with the original timeline, if at all. I'm going to be pretty annoyed if they go to all the trouble of resetting the Lost timeline if all they do with it is show a cute "what if" scenario of what would have happened had 815 landed.

Still, it seems like the most likely scenario, as it would account for the producers claiming the original timeline won't be void, everyone coming back, and their claims of a "new storytelling device" for the final season.

[pauljdavidson]

Eibach you are a legend. I cannot wait till January 30!

[banjoeskimo]

Finally (http://spoilerslost.blogspot.com/2010/01/episode-611-happily-ever-after-filming_15.html)!

Filming report from DarkUFO says there's a scene between Libby and Hurley for season six. I guess they finally managed to get her back, so we'll finally find out why the hell she was in a mental institution with Hurley.

[Pauly]

Season 6 premiers 2nd Feb in the US. Can't wait :D

[fishfishmonkeyhat]

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Was not surprised to see that cameo.

[Cubby]

Woo, psycho stalker walk!

Also that "Damon" guy is hot.

[banjoeskimo]

I absolutely adore that Onion video, despite it being a completely accurate description of my obsession. My favourite part is that the producers of Lost very clearly contributed to that video to make fun of themselves / Lost fans.

[banjoeskimo]

Okay, so I'm watching season five again, because my friends wanted to catch up before the season six premiere. This is my third time through. I really need to stop watching Lost...

Anyway, I caught a few more things that might be interesting:

-When we see Christian this season he's very different to his appearances in season one. Whenever we saw him appear to Jack in S1, he'd always be wearing a white shirt and his famous white tennis shoes. As of season four (when he appears to Locke in the cabin), he's changed into... a black shirt, and black shoes. This is also true of his encounter with Locke right before he turns the wheel and stops the time shifts. Given that Lost has such a hard on for black / white symbolism, and Christian is meant to be a representative of Jacob, I think this is significant. My guess is that Christian started out being controlled by Jacob (who wears white, hence the stark white shoes) but has somehow fallen now under the control of his nemesis. Not that that's surprising, we know he was under the control of the nemesis in season five, since Christian's advice is entirely responsible for creating the nemesis' little loophole to kill Jacob. What's interesting is that I'm fairly confident Christian wasn't always under the nemesis' control, as symbolised by the change in clothing.

-The time traveling wheel exists independent of time. Think about it; it has to. If the time shifts in season five were caused by the wheel falling off its axis (something that happened in 2004), why would the wheel STILL be off its axis when Locke turns it all the way back in the past? Fun bonus for people who played Braid: when Locke turns the wheel in season five, the weird light / aura around it is GREEN, just like the items that are immune to time manipulation in Braid. Crazy!

Additionally, Christian, and who/whatever is controlling him (smoke monster / nemesis?) ALSO has to exist independent of time, or at least be traveling in the time shifts with the Losties. Otherwise, how do you explain Christian appearing to Locke before he turns the wheel and knowing all about Ben, the island, and the events of 815, well before they ever happened?

-Illana is WAY too calm about seeing zombie Locke for the first time. The first time you see the episode you don't think anything of it: Locke's alive, and everyone he talks to from the Aijira flight has no idea who he is. Except Illana and Bram, since they know what's in the crate (Locke.) Pretty sure Illana and Bram expected this entirely, and have a pretty good idea about how the island / nemesis / Jacob operates, since they're thoroughly unsurprised by everything. Should be interesting characters to watch come season six.

[banjoeskimo]

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So someone decided to cut together the crash of 815 in real time, "24" style. Pretty interesting stuff, and acts as a good refresher before season six. Also impressed that they included footage from the web-only mobisodes.

[Cubby]

I'd say that the tail section part (people in the water) came in a bit late, and Des resetting the 108 clock was a bit early, other than that, pretty cool.

[NiB]

Matthew fox let slip in an interview that Jacob brought people to the island (the people he touched) to defend something. Then he realised he was sayin to much and stopped :(

[banjoeskimo]

Seems like that would remain consistent with Widmore's warning that "There's a war coming" in season five. Presumably between Jacob and Man in Black (aka Smokey... c'mon, that thing is TOTALLY going to end up being the smoke monster, you just know it). Only question now is what are they fighting over, what do they have to defend, and who's fighting for whom?

[Cubby]

First 4 mins of season 6. (http://www.comingsoon.net/news/tvnews.php?id=62771)

[Second]

Not gunna watch it. I have a raging boner just thinking about watching it. If I watch it, I'll have blue balls until the show returns.

[Cubby]

Well, if you do watch it, you'll have 2 mins to stop watching, as it's just the last 2 mins of S5. So really, it's only half new.

[pauljdavidson]

Its not really spoilerish anyway. Watch it!

[Cubby]

Actually it is, watch it more closely.

[pauljdavidson]

I watched it again, and its no more spoilerish than knowing that the episode is named LA X.

[AranchineD]

It's LOST, even the 'upcoming season posters' are full of spoilers

[Cubby]

I just watched the S5 final again, and I'm not entirely sure they reset the timeline.

Dr. Chang injured his hand durring the "inccident" at the Swan, and up until then his hand was fine... maybe that's always how he ended up with a prosthetic one.

Richard said he watched them all die... maybe the bomb did go off and it "killed" them (I'm thinking maybe they get blasted back to their original timeline, 2007). Sure he might not have "seen" it, but they had the bomb, then an hour later it goes off, he could assume.

Season 6 clip spoilers
Don't really know how this fits in, possibly he's just imagining it, but unlikely. I just can't see them disregarding the past 5 seasons. Not to mention, if it worked, the 2007 timeline would mean nothing, and thus be pointless.

Meh, just speculating.

[banjoeskimo]

Oh man, season opener is going to be such a mind-f--- for you guys.

I stumbled across filming reports a couple of months ago regarding S6, so by accident I already know how the "Did they reset the timeline?" question turns out. I haven't seen the premiere, nor do I know the explicit events that take place in the episode, only enough to answer that question.

All I'll say is it's complicated, and by the time the second episode after the premiere rolls around you should all be able to figure out what's going on.

As for your concern about invalidating 5 seasons worth of television, don't worry. They've got a trick up their sleeve. ;)

[pauljdavidson]

The first episode is available online already, and like I said, that 4 mins is hardly spoiling anything I can tell you now!
The following few minutes right after that will blow your mind!

[Cubby]

Hmm, I can't find it on any of my sites.

[Second]

My tea supplier has lost my favourite flavour. I will have to go hunting tomorrow.

[Jazzilla]

All I found was a cam version which looks horrible. Will wait till Wednesday.

[Banjo Tooie]

Yeah, the cam version is the only one out. Watched it for 13 minutes before turning it off, couldn't understand a single word coming out of anyone's mouth.

But those 13 minutes of inaudible shit was the best 13 minutes of a television show I've seen all year.

[banjoeskimo]

First official TV promo for season six (http://spoilerslost.blogspot.com/2010/02/lost-season-6-new-promo-with-even-more.html).

Essentially functions as a trailer / montage of various snippets from the new season. Looks AWESOME!

Be warned however, despite being an official promo, footage is contained that WILL answer whether or not the season 1-5 timeline continues once and for all.

[adam_91vn]

Just watched 6x00 the recap thing. My head hurts

[pauljdavidson]

So do we gotta wait till thursday to 'acquire' this?

[Silph]

Should be tomorrow, actually.

[Sweating Bullets]

Just want to tap the sign -


Warez, piracy and peer-to-peer discussion
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[Second]

We're not talking about piracy, we're merely talking about lost themed Tea!

[pauljdavidson]

I meant whens it going to be on my TV. When does it start on Channel 7two? Cause I wanna wait an extra week or two to watch it at a time that doesn't really suit me. Oh and I love ads.

[Cubby]

Ew, 'sif P2P is worth a shit anyway.

EDIT: Looks like it's 10th of feb for 7Two.

[Sweating Bullets]

I'm not saying you need to wait for it to air on TV before you can discuss - just be a bit mindful about piracy and your posts.

I will say it now - I don't see how they can address all the questions they have raised over the years. There are far too many imo.

[Second]

My favourite Tea is in stock! It's in high demand, it's going to take me a good 13 hours to get it! D:

[pauljdavidson]

Thats some damn good Tea! Those dudes in the temple really freaked when they realised Jacob is dead and his nemesis is on the loose. Exciting!

I will say it now - I don't see how they can address all the questions they have raised over the years. There are far too many imo.

The writers have said themselves that some things will go unanswered, but they seem to be on a path to answer as much as they can, like what happened to the air hostess chick and the children from the plane, and the whispers. Not terribly exciting answer but you know, it was there. The bigger mysteries will hopefully be resolved satisfyingly...like the Black smoke thingy, we know who it is but not WHAT it is dammit!

[AranchineD]

Well I just went and saw some spoiler on /tv/, but no matter, I'm HOLY SHITting all the same.

[Northy179]

Saw the ep

In some ways the ep created even more questions than gave answers however it did confirm one thing i had already suspected

smoke monster = dude who was on talking to jacob during intro of last ep in season 5 = john locks clone.... it was kinda obvious after the part where the smoke monster manifests in to ben's daughter after "lock" dissapears

also

LOCK KILLS DUMBLEDORE

[REQUIEM]

I gave up on lost years ago. The badly made recording beach preview screening is on the web I heard tonight. The masses are IGNORING it i hear.

[pauljdavidson]

Thats because its already aired in the US.

[adam_91vn]

Thats some damn good Tea! Those dudes in the temple really freaked when they realised Jacob is dead and his nemesis is on the loose. Exciting!


I thinked they freaked out more when Sayid woke up because I have a feeling that jacob is inside him.

[banjoeskimo]

So I'm still trying to figure out how the alt reality works, and have descended into rabid speculation.

After re-watching the premiere I picked up on a few things of note.

Juliet seems to have a conflicting opinions on whether or not the bomb worked. When Sawyer runs in to the hatch remains to save her, the very first thing she says is that the bomb didn't work, because they're still on the island.

Right before she dies, she says three things. The first is "We should go out for coffee sometime. We could go Dutch," or something very similar. The second is telling Sawyer to kiss her, and the last is that she has something very important to say. We never actually get to hear her say what, but we find out later from Miles that apparently she wanted to say "It worked."

Presumably, she's talking about the bomb, as the alt reality is in full swing by this point. What's significant for me is that Juliet changed her mind. What caused her to, I'm not really sure, but I'm going to wager a guess and say it was her death, or proximity to it. Only in her final moments does she change her answer. Further, I don't think the coffee line is throwaway dialogue. Anyone remember Charlotte's last words in season 5 about not having chocolate before dinner? When we first heard them, they were meaningless babble. A few episodes later, it turns out it was evidence of a flashback to her childhood. I'm guessing a similar thing is happening with Juliet, and I won't at all be surprised if we see a clip in the alt reality of Juliet asking someone out for Dutch coffee.

Anyway, this is all just a guess at this point, but it seems like it could work. Also, if death is the entryway to the alt reality, it could explain why Jack has that weird bloodspot on his neck at the start of the episode. Maybe the fate of the 815ers in the main timeline is eventual death, and the alt is a glimpse at what happens in their next life, with a few small specks of evidence of the last life?

[AranchineD]

So I'm still trying to figure out how the alt reality works

One theory I've heard is that it's showing how, in the end, everybody's lives were better for actually having crashed on the island.

[Cubby]

Wow, I actually guessed a part of it right lol

[Northy179]

i got a big question

why the hell was desmond on the plane?

[AranchineD]

Because the rules don't apply to him.

[NiB]

i got a big question

why the hell was desmond on the plane?

Because the Island never drew him to it during the boat race (due to the swan not being built), or seeing as he disappeared b4 landing he's time hopping again due to his uniqueness.

The cut aways when nemesis is about to be named where driving me nuts (in a good way though) and the whole wanna get home thing...1st thing that popped into my head was Dogma :p

[Cubby]

I think Des sailed straight over the island, seeing as it's under water for some reason.

But what about Hurley? How did he win the lotto without the numbers?

[Northy179]

I think Des sailed straight over the island, seeing as it's under water for some reason.

But what about Hurley? How did he win the lotto without the numbers?

fair enough, i just find it a little be too co-incidental that Desmond was on the same flight with them... unless his special ability leads him to remember the other life and he was on that plane to see if it crashed...

Regardless, i still find it a bit odd that in the hatch Jack recognised desmond on first glimpse of his face and in the plane he couldn't quite work it out.

Hurley... the numbers may not have originated from the island, the events that took place may still make sense.

[Banjo Tooie]

fair enough, i just find it a little be too co-incidental that Desmond was on the same flight with them... unless his special ability leads him to remember the other life and he was on that plane to see if it crashed...

Regardless, i still find it a bit odd that in the hatch Jack recognised desmond on first glimpse of his face and in the plane he couldn't quite work it out.

Hurley... the numbers may not have originated from the island, the events that took place may still make sense.

Stop watching LOST, man, you obviously suck at it.

Desmond is on the plane just because he's on the plane. The meeting between Desmond and Jack at the stadium may or may not have taken place in this time line, thus Jack doesn't instantly recognise him, as he did in the hatch.

Pretty easy.

Hurley is "the luckiest guy in the world" in this time line, so whose to say that he can't win the lottery with or without the numbers?

Just everyone sit back, enjoy the ride and stop asking superfluous questions.

[fishfishmonkeyhat]

The best bit was the hover stretcher.

Go back and look at the scene where Jack goes to look for Kate with the torch.

[Cubby]

whose to say that he can't win the lottery with or without the numbers?
Just everyone sit back, enjoy the ride and stop asking superfluous questions.


I don't think Des would ever get on a plane that potentially went to the island if he remembered it.

[Banjo Tooie]

Maybe Desmond wasn't even on the plane, maybe he was just an apparition projected by Jack's subconscious memories of his other half.

[Zeph101]

I half expected Rose to answerJack's question about where the man sitting next to him went with 'what man?'

[fishfishmonkeyhat]

She basically did.

[adam_91vn]

Alright ep nothing much happened though in the way of answers

[Ninjalada]

I thought it was a bit strange that there was all of a sudden a whole bunch of other Others and that they were led by a japanese guy.

[AranchineD]

I, for one, am all for more pirates in Lost.

[Banjo Tooie]

Did you love seeing Mac reprise his role as Aldo, Aran? I thought it was one of the best cameos as I didn't expect to see him in the final season, unlike Cindy or Claire etc.

[AranchineD]

It totally blew my mind, I was like "Holy crap, that guy" and then I saw those two girls and I was like "Well, they're hot, so it's alright".

[fishfishmonkeyhat]

I thought it was a bit strange that there was all of a sudden a whole bunch of other Others and that they were led by a japanese guy.

I was too, until someone reminded me that a season back someone told them to take a bunch of the others to the temple.

Was the guy that helped Kate get her cuffs off someone that had been seen before?

[pauljdavidson]

Whats up with that black dude saying Russeau has been dead for years before the other Other told him to shutup?! Hasnt been that long has it? Or were we seeing th MiB/smoke monster the whole time?

[Silph]

Rousseau died before the Oceanic 6 left the island in 2004. 3 years have passed for everyone since then so it's now late 2007/early 2008.

[Banjo Tooie]

Yeah, good one pauljdavidson.

[pauljdavidson]

Thanks Banjo Tooie, my mistake.

[Ninjalada]

Was the guy that helped Kate get her cuffs off someone that had been seen before?

Juh? I don't remember seeing that.

I was shocked to see Smoke Monster Locke knock out Richard, I love that guy.

[adam_91vn]

Juh? I don't remember seeing that.

I was shocked to see Smoke Monster Locke knock out Richard, I love that guy.

It was in the 3rd ep

[NiB]

I'm guessing the water is dirty cause of the smoke monster and that's how sayid was claimed. Also, they didn't want jin and kate to know about claire so that's why they said it was the french woman.

[Banjo Tooie]

I don't really give a shit, but someone should post up a "spoiler warning" in the thread title coz it's obvious people like Ninjalada will stumble in not knowing we aren't watching the show on Channel 7.

[Zeph101]

Was the guy that helped Kate get her cuffs off someone that had been seen before?

I'm not sure but wasn't it the guy who was not only the Army General who met Sayid but also the man pressing the button in the hatch before Desmond met and ended up killing him?

Oh yeah, and Dr. Arzt in two eps. Wooo.:D

[fishfishmonkeyhat]

I don't think it was hatch guy.

[banjoeskimo]

-Kate's alt-reality mechanic hasn't been seen before. He's not the same man who was in the hatch with Desmond / commanded American troops in Iraq and gave Sayid his bus money.

-As has already been said, the last time we saw Claire was in 2004 when she wandered off in to the jungle with Christian. Everyone's now back in 2007, so it's been 3 years. The question is what has happened to Claire over this time period. Did she time-skip like everyone else in season five, or was she just left to her own devices for three whole years in the jungle? Either way, the echoes of Rousseau definitely seem intentional. Claire is now a single mother, abandoned by her group in the jungle for years, a little crazy, and missing her stolen baby while setting up traps and randomly shooting people. Pretty much Rousseau.

-I'm not sure why the temple's healing water has gone dirty. It could be that it was compromised by Smokey, or it could just be because Jacob is dead.

-The temple has been mentioned since season three. I believe it's inferred that there are Others there pretty early on, but at the end of season five when un-Locke takes the Others on their stroll to kill Jacob he asks Richard if "this is everyone." Richard says yes, all but the group at the temple.

I'm just waiting for the moment when we figure out how the alt / normal realities interact. It's very clear there's some deja vu going on here; did anyone see Kate's face when Claire named Aaron? Or Jack's face when he looks in the mirror on 815? Or Kate's longer-than-expected stare at Jack from inside the taxi?

Also, I'm becoming increasingly confident that the bomb didn't sink the island. If the bomb going off was what caused the island to go under, wouldn't everyone on the island at the time of its explosion be dead? Including Amy and Ethan? It's possible they were evacuated by Chang, but they never made a point of it, so, not really sure on that one.

[NiB]

Does that mean jacob is alive in the alt timeline ??????

[fishfishmonkeyhat]

jacob is probably between timelines right now.

[spectator]

what if its not a infection but a possession. In the past, its been smokey but this time around, the possessing is actually done by Jacob. It would explain why Jacob insist that Hurley take Sayid to the temple

[Thraxas]

I didn't think smokey actually possessed people. He didn't need John's body to walk around like John. I assume that he was Christian and I'm guessing he didn't need Christian's body. Maybe he just needs them to be dead before they arrive on the island to take their form.

That's why I don't think Sayid is possessed by Jacob.

[spectator]

You're right, smokey hasnt been shown to possess people, all the forms he has used were borrowed from the dead people who happen to be on the island itself (shephard, locke, alex, echo's brother), but that doesnt mean smokey cant possess people. It just sort of fits in with the reason why Jacob would want Sayid to be resurrected at the temple. But then again, Ben went through the same process and he isn't possessed. Of course Ben was ultimately the person Smokey used to kill Jacob.

[Banjo Tooie]

Here's a nice theory: (http://medialoper.com/the-key-to-season-6-of-lost/)

Here’s my theory about what’s going to happen: the two timelines will start bleeding into each other, and eventually characters in both timelines will be fully conscious of their doppleganger. And the closer a character was to the epicenter of the hydrogen bomb, the faster and/or stronger that bleeding is going to be.

That’s why Juliet said those things: she was the closest to the epicenter of the blast, so before she died, she already knew that she was going to meet Sawyer in the Sideways timeline. That’s how she knew that it worked.

[Cubby]

Claire is now a single mother, abandoned by her group in the jungle for years, a little crazy, and missing her stolen baby while setting up traps and randomly shooting people. Pretty much Rousseau.


Actually, Rousseau killed her people and had her baby stolen. Claire just wandered off and left both.

If the bleeding thing is right, it'll be odd how they show it. As it's 2007 on-island, and 2004 in the alt-reality.

[Banjo Tooie]

Episode 4 was real good.

[fishfishmonkeyhat]

Yeah, I liked the bit with Locke.

[AranchineD]

Episode 3 was pretty good

[Second]

Episode 4 is better. (1)

[NiB]

HOLY SHIT !

The list...the numbers...

Ep5 can't come fast enough

[Banjo Tooie]

One of the commenters on AV Club posted this:

Some of the names featured but crossed out:

10 - Mattingley
20 - Rouf
70 - Faraday
90 - Troupe
119 - Almeade
140 - Lewis
195 - Pace
222 - O'Toole
233 - Jones
291 - Domingo
313 - Littleton
317 - Cunningham
396 - Grant

Unknown numbers (but on the ceiling):
?? - Chang
?? - Goodspeed
?? - Sullivan

Also - next week will be the 108th episode. I wonder if that will mean anything...

[Cubby]

313 = Claire?

Also, why wasn't "Austin" mentioned?

[Banjo Tooie]

Here's a nice theory:

The little boy just said you can't kill "him" not Jacob. My friend and I worked out a theory tonight that Smokey needs all the candidates dead before he can leave the island. However, he cannot kill a candidate directly. Every time he approached a castaway as the smoke monster, he was scanning their memories for a meeting with Jacob. If he didn't find one, he could kill them, as they were not candidates. I think the reason Kate isn't on the list is that Jacob visits the bodyguards (the Shadow of the Statue folks) as well as the candidates at some point in their lives. Kate and one of the Kwons will be bodyguards for the next Jacob.

I expect Smokey will try to manipulate Sawyer into killing Jarrah or Jack and then use someone else to kill Sawyer. The trick is, who would want to kill Hurley?

So the whole show has really been a riff on Survivor, but with the islanders competing (without their knowledge) to see who will be the next Jacob. As we all know, Hurley is really good at winning games so I peg him as the replacement Jacob.

So then, the island is a prison built by (the Gods? Aliens? something?) to house Smokey. Everything there is built to help the warden (Jacob) watch over Smokey. There is a wheel to move the island from invaders, a pool to grant life to the prison guards or warden, a weird time distortion field to keep out snoopers...it all kind of fits now. If Smokey was appearing as Christian and Yemi and all the dead folks, maybe he was trying on identities. Once he assumes the form of a candidate he is stuck. Now he is stuck as Locke until the game is over.

This also explains why he didn't do shit to Keamy's men. If their goal was to kill everyone on the island (including the candidates), then Smokey would want them to survive their confrontation.

Feedback?

And I also liked this...

question: why could Locke walk when the plane crashed on the island? Anybody have any freaking idea beyond the lame "um, the island is just magic" cop-out?

answer: because alterna-Locke eventually gets a spine operation from alterna-Jack, and then [fill in some sort of endgame time travel shit] happens, and the timelines converge when 815 first crashes, and alterna-Locke is the one who wakes up on the island. But with no memory of the alternaverse. Or some crap like that.

Seriously, I'm 35% convinced of this after this episode. Which is a lot convinced, for this show. If alterna-Rose has her cancer cured at some point, then case closed.

[fishfishmonkeyhat]

I liked that Hurley is so lucky, Locke couldn't even scratch his SVU.

[banjoeskimo]

The first theory sounds pretty good, but that second one is absolute tripe. The island's healed lots of people, not just Locke, and why in god's name would alternate Locke remember real Locke's memories? Further, spinal surgery? After the latest ep I don't think so.

[Cubby]

Anyone else find it weird that Jacob "touched" Hugo AFTER he had already been to the island? In the cab with the guitar... or am I forgetting an earlier meet?

[banjoeskimo]

No, you're right. Hugo, Kate and Sayid are the "weird" meetings. Hugo and Sayid were both touched after being on the island, and Kate was touched but NOT listed inside the cave.

I don't think Hugo/Sayid being touched until after being on the island is that significant, it's really just Kate that messes with my head.

Although, if I remember correctly, in season 3 when Locke blows up Mikhail's station after playing chess with the computer, Mikhail informs Sayid and Kate that they're not on Jacob's list. So, presumably Jacob changed his mind about Sayid, maybe not Kate?

To further throw a spanner in the works, if Kate's not a candidate, why did her name appear to be on the list that Jacob put in Hurley's guitar case in the premiere? Strange stuff.

More than anything at this point I'm just waiting for more island mythology to be revealed. Going back and forth over who's important and why is fun, but I'm thinking it'll be a moot point once we discover more about the mechanics of Jacob / Smokey's conflict. Any way you cut it, it seems as though their powers are pretty significant. Jacob clearly has some kind of precognition going on (on account of knowing to give Hurley the list, and ordering The Others to build a runway on Hydra Island in season 3 so Aijira 316 could land), and Smokey's independent of time (seeing as he was able to project himself to Locke in the past, just before he turned the wheel), so it'll be fun to see what kind of crazy shit they both pull before the season is out.

[Cubby]

Kate was also on the list way back in the S2 final, the people that Michael had to take to the others.

[Ninjalada]

I want to know wtf was up with Walt. It was hinted at that he had some kind of magic powers but then he was abruptley taken out of the show.

[fishfishmonkeyhat]

He grew up.

[NiB]

I want to know wtf was up with Walt. It was hinted at that he had some kind of magic powers but then he was abruptley taken out of the show.

He can see the future, he mentioned to Locke off the island when they met that he saw him on a beach with a group of people that wanted to kill him (S6Ep1)

I'd say the Michael/Walt story has played itself out (considering they're not even seen in the alt reality, even in the background on the plane or at the airport)

[Northy179]

I'd say the Michael/Walt story has played itself out (considering they're not even seen in the alt reality, even in the background on the plane or at the airport)

sadly, no

it was said on facebook that Michael will return this season.

[Banjo Tooie]

"sadly, no"?

Mate, what kind of LOST fan doesn't want to see the return of Michael and Walt?

[Cubby]

Can't see walt coming back, not in the alt reality anyway, actor is too old. Also, Michael was annoying, why would anyone want him back... I was so glad when he blew up.

[banjoeskimo]

Mah boy!!!!! Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaalt!

[Cubby]

Aw-mah... Claire is EVIL!

Also, I thought maybe they would tie-up the Adam & Eve thing, but no. :(

[NiB]

Another good episode. Alt Jack having a kid (assuming they couldn't get Julie Bowen as the mother due to Modern Family) was a shock but the whole lighthouse thing with the mirror was cool (the numbers being compass bearings)

At least we're headed for smokey reaching the temple (and getting inside thnx to Jin) Lindelof and Cuse have said that Claire plays a huge part in S6 and the conclusion of the duel timelines, hoping its Aaron that's coming to the island

[Cubby]

Yeah, I wanted to know who was at 108.

[Banjo Tooie]

Yeah, I wanted to know who was at 108.

http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Candidates <-- find your answer here.

[fishfishmonkeyhat]

(assuming they couldn't get Julie Bowen as the mother due to Modern Family)

I assumed it was because they didn't want us to know who the mother was yet, but I can't see it being anyone surprising, like Kate, for obvious reasons.

[Ninjalada]

http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Candidates <-- find your answer here.

Wallace?

[fishfishmonkeyhat]

Wallace!

[banjoeskimo]

There's healthy speculation at the moment that it could be code for Desmond.

William Wallace was one of Scotland's greatest heroes, and if I remember correctly there's a tower somewhere in Scotland dedicated to him. I'm not sure how it could be a code for Des, but given the show's affinity for naming people after famous thinkers / historical figures, the fact that Wallace is a prominent Scottish name shouldn't be overlooked. Further, Desmond has a very distinct history with the number 108, being that he was pushing the button every 108 minutes in the hatch. And finally, there was always Hawking's ominous warning to Des last season at the Lamp Post that "The island isn't done with you yet."

This is of course, all circumstantial speculation, but my bet is we'll see Des before the end of the show is out, and he'll be somehow connected to 108. After all, if people end up on the island due to Jacob's bringing them there, surely Des must have been a candidate at some point?

Anyway, other interesting things from this ep:

-When Jack goes to see his son perform, the welcoming poster says "Welcome All Candidates." Nice.

-Jack is number 23. Just rewatched the pilot episode of LOST, and Jack's row number on the plane is... 23. I wonder if all the other candidates will have direct correlations to their numbers?

-Evidence for the alt reality being directly connected to the main timeline continues to mount, in the form of Jack not being able to remember his apendics being taken out, and the scar from it being VERY large and prominent (almost as if it had only been taken out a few years ago... by Juliet... on the island...) Not to mention he can't remember his own son starting to play piano? Yeah, pretty sure Jack's just been dumped into this reality fresh off the island. My bet is still on the alt reality being a flash forward.

-When lighthouse wheel is turning we see flashes of other buildings. Right before Jack's house, we see the location where Sun and Jin were married, and the church where Sawyer has his dad's funeral.

-Dogen's little speech in the alt definitely seems to resemble his role as an Other in the main timeline. If I remember correctly he laments them being "too young" for such challenges, and finding it painful that he's powerless to intervene and help directly. Yup. Sounds exactly like the rules of this game the Others are playing by.

-Kate IS a candidate! She's just not one of the numbers. If you check the lighthouse wheel, "Austen" clocks in at number 51, and it's not crossed out.

-Mirrorrs are apparently a big thing this season. Found this over on DarkUFO, but it's worth noting. In the alt reality, everyone seems to have a character defining moment where they resolve a significant issue that has plagued them since the show's inception, and always at the hands of a mirror. In the Kate ep, she's just about to continue being a lone fugitive when she looks in a mirror and... goes back to help Claire. Locke is about to continue pining for a miracle that'll never happen (in the form of calling Jack to fix his spine) when he looks in a mirror and... makes peace with his situation. Jack is on the cusp of freaking out over daddy issues when he looks in a mirror at pictures of he and his son and... goes to fix said daddy issues by talking them out with David.

[pauljdavidson]

Also the numbers 4, 8, 15, 16 ,23, 42 add up to 108. I'm betting its Desmond who is coming to the Island. Maybe inadvertently on his boat with Penny and Charlie.

[Sweating Bullets]

The sideflash alt reality noise is strange as hell.

What I did not understand is how come Locke is still with Helen. I thought she broke it off with him? Or some of their past is different now?

[banjoeskimo]

Yeah, dude, the flash sideways timeline is completely different. Not just after 815 lands, but before anyone even gets on the plane. How else did you think Jack had a son?

[Banjo Tooie]

Also the numbers 4, 8, 15, 16 ,23, 42 add up to 108.

Holy shit man, are you serious?!

[Ninjalada]

Holy shit man, are you serious?!

*adds up numbers on calculator*

I believe he is.


I don't like it how Claire has gone to the dark side, she was always such a nice girl.

[Cubby]

From the unanswered questions section of that wiki page;
"Is MIB manipulating Sawyer into believing it's Jacob's cave? "

Maybe this is Smokey's cave, and it's a hit list?

[NiB]

Smokey tried to get Hurley to kill himself (appeared as his metal patient friend/apparition)

He appeared to Jack as Christian and taunted Jack possibly leading Jack to make decisions that get more candidates killed

Haven't seen him make a play at Sawyer til the last ep either

[Banjo Tooie]

*adds up numbers on calculator*

I believe he is.

Mate, I was being sarcastic because it's such a stupid comment to make. They were the ****ing numbers that were entered into the computer in season 2 to get the counter back up to 108. Everyone knows the numbers add up to 108.

[Cubby]

So what's the deal with Eko though? It let him go, then killed him 2 hours later.

[Northy179]

*adds up numbers on calculator*

I believe he is.


CHECK IT AGAIN!

http://10minuteramble.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/mayor_waterol8.gif

[Banjo Tooie]

So what's the deal with Eko though? It let him go, then killed him 2 hours later.

Smokey realised he was a candidate for Jacob rather than a possible recruit for Smokey?

[Ninjalada]

Everyone knows the numbers add up to 108.

I didn't.

:o

[Cubby]

Blasphemy!

[pauljdavidson]

Mate, I was being sarcastic because it's such a stupid comment to make. They were the ****ing numbers that were entered into the computer in season 2 to get the counter back up to 108. Everyone knows the numbers add up to 108.

Whats your problem with me? I didnt state the total of the numbers because I thought noone knew, it was making an observation that Desmond seems to be a bit of a wild card, and his having to push the button every 108 minutes. And thats my interpretation, whether you like it or not.

[Banjo Tooie]

I have a problem with the fact that you add nothing to the conversation.

[pauljdavidson]

Yeah ok mate, go back to brushing your hair. I havent seen you add a great deal either. You're an elitist snob who can't tolerate other peoples opinions. Its that simple.

[Second]

I'm pretty sure you're retarded. It's that simple.

[Banjo Tooie]

Yeah ok mate, go back to brushing your hair. I havent seen you add a great deal either. You're an elitist snob who can't tolerate other peoples opinions. Its that simple.

Mate, I've been providing plausible theories that others around the internet have proposed and I thought I should share with others.

Whereas all you have done is "Hurrrr the numbers add up to 108 I don't know whether you guys picked this up 4 years ago hurrr"

[pauljdavidson]

I'm pretty sure you're retarded. It's that simple.

http://img706.imageshack.us/img706/2554/bloodyy.jpg

Hurrrr!

[Banjo Tooie]

Wow, nice comeback man!

[Second]

That hair could really do with a proper brushing, mate!

[Banjo Tooie]

Oh man, how embarrassing :o

[Cubby]

This is a thread for Lost, not vomitface and twink hair!

[fishfishmonkeyhat]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panopticon

[Banjo Tooie]

Ep 6 was real good. Sayid you bad mother****er!

[pauljdavidson]

Awesome episode. So smokey wants to leave the Island and Jacob says that someone is coming to the Island. Jacob didnt seem too fussed over Jack smashing the mirrors last ep, saying whoevers coming will probably find another way. How is smokey going to leave the Island with his new followers? By boat! A boat with Charles Widmore aboard maybe? With Desmond and Penny tagging along?

[fishfishmonkeyhat]

And probably Vincent.

[Cubby]

Isn't every other word out of smokey's mouth BS?

[fishfishmonkeyhat]

A believe someone asked him that and he said no, so there you go.

[Cubby]

I never tell the truth... etc?

[fishfishmonkeyhat]

Well unless you're smokey I don't see the relevance!

[banjoeskimo]

Episode 15 of 18 is currently being filmed, rumours below...

Rumour has it that NONE of the regular full cast members appear in this episode, entitled "Across The Sea." The reason for that is because part of the episode takes place in 23 AD. Looks like we're in for a Smokey / Jacob flashback ep.

The producers have also given us their final hint about the end of LOST: water.

Water? WTF?

[Cubby]

Something to do with the island being under it maybe?

[pauljdavidson]

Dr Linus' episode was , imo, the best of the season so far. A submarine is a kind of boat right? Anyways, I'm now thinking Charles Widmore (being so eager to help Locke off-island season 5) has aligned himself with Flocke, and Ben has chosen Jacobs side. Maybe Charles and Ben are the replacements?

[Banjo Tooie]

It wasn't the best of the season, but it definitely was very good. I personally loved the throwback to the earlier season when Jack, Hurley and Richard came to the beach. ****ing goosebumps all over my arms.

[Cubby]

I was teary-eye for the last 5-10mins lol. Also, SOOOOO glad they went with redemption for Ben, as opposed to the destruction of the character like Sayid.

[fishfishmonkeyhat]

Haven't they done like 10 slowmo character reunions on the beach?

[pauljdavidson]

Haven't they done like 10 slowmo character reunions on the beach?

Yeah but this was the best one! Jacks a man of faith now, and shit is about to go down!

[Second]

Sawyer being a cop. First time I've been really shocked.

[Cubby]

I've come to expect the unexpected/polar opposites. Was an ok ep, but nothing on last weeks.

[fishfishmonkeyhat]

http://i348.photobucket.com/albums/q321/fishfishmonkeyhat/My%20Gifs/claire2.gif

[Cubby]

He looks so happy.

[banjoeskimo]

Richard ep next week, speculation is that this is going to be the episode for learning about the island's mythology and history. Also, it's confirmed to run 10 minutes longer than normal. Can't wait!

[AranchineD]

Wait...10 minutes longer? And it's season 6? That's like...10/6. 106. And there's clearly two sides, good and evil, in the show now. 2 sides. Add 2 to 106.


Yeah. That's right. I just blew your mind.

[Ninjalada]

Richard ep next week, speculation is that this is going to be the episode for learning about the island's mythology and history. Also, it's confirmed to run 10 minutes longer than normal. Can't wait!

Yay! I love that guy.

[AranchineD]

JACK BLOWS SUB UPl WEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[REQUIEM]

Wait...10 minutes longer? And it's season 6? That's like...10/6. 106. And there's clearly two sides, good and evil, in the show now. 2 sides. Add 2 to 106.


Yeah. That's right. I just blew your mind.

.........errr......

[Ninjalada]

I just saw episode 8 and I thought it was kind of strange when Kate asked Sawyer if he knew how to fly the plane and he replied that they were going to take the sub instead.

Sawyer knows how to pilot a submarine?

[fishfishmonkeyhat]

No, but it's probably a lot safer/easier to hold a gun to the head of a sub driver then a pilot.

[Banjo Tooie]

ohhhh i love richard alpert.

[Cubby]

Pretty awesome ep, lots of back story... but it's only 4mins longer :P

[fishfishmonkeyhat]

Extra 11 minutes of ads.

I liked it, but how the **** would a storm lift a boat that high?


Not to mention in the first Jacob flashback the boat arrived in the middle of a fine day.

EDIT: I suppose that might have been a different boat.

[Cubby]

Also, the boat would have been obliterated hitting that statue.

[pauljdavidson]

Extra 11 minutes of ads.

I liked it, but how the **** would a storm lift a boat that high?


Not to mention in the first Jacob flashback the boat arrived in the middle of a fine day.

EDIT: I suppose that might have been a different boat.

Gotta wonder if the Lost writers remember past episodes that were written, not just casually, cause that's pretty blatant. And waves that high in (presumably fairly) shallow water? Dropped the ball on that one.

[fishfishmonkeyhat]

"Oh shit we still have to explain what happened to the statue!"

"Cram it in to Ricki Recardos ep"

[Cubby]

I mean, maybe the statue was about to fall down anyway, and tyhe boat was the straw that broke the camels back etc. But the height at which the boat hit the statue was ridiculous.

[Jay]

Cos all you boys have been in a galley on mountainous seas, right? You know exactly how things behave?

When I used to be a pirate, one night we were hit with the roughest of storms. It threw us about, all us cabin crew, makin' us violent ill. We ne'er thought we'd see sweet land again. Til all of a sudden we crested the most gigantic wave you e'er did see, and were suddenly posited right inside the Playboy mansion. So you tell me who's makin' shit up!

[Second]

I was actually pretty bored during this episode.

[Jay]

I have to say I kinda agree with you Second. Waited soooo long for a Richard ep and it was kind of a disappointment. Except for the tie in with the Black Rock.

[Cubby]

I was actually expecting Richard to be much older that the ~160 he is.

[AranchineD]

I was actually pretty bored during this episode.

I have to say I kinda agree with you Second. Waited soooo long for a Richard ep and it was kind of a disappointment. Except for the tie in with the Black Rock.

F***en nutters

[Pauly]

Loved all the Jacob/Smokey stuff in this episode!

I was actually expecting Richard to be much older that the ~160 he is.
I think you're math might be a little off.

[Cubby]

Wasn't it 1867? He looked about 30 at the time, so 30+143=173 Which ain't that far off.

Also, the ****s are not airing it for a week before the final.

[Pauly]

True I thought it said some time in 1700s.

[Cubby]

I still don't get why the statue only had 4 toes, was it build by a colony of inbreds?

[AranchineD]

Maybe the statue only has four toes because the statue only has four toes

[Banjo Tooie]

I still don't get why the statue only had 4 toes, was it build by a colony of inbreds?

Come on man, a 1 minute google search finds your answer.

The statue is a Statue of Taweret (http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Statue_of_Taweret).

Taweret is the Egyptian Goddess of childbirth and fertility, portrayed as a bipedal hippopotamus. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taweret)

A Hippo has four toes. (http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_many_toes_does_a_hippo_have)

Also - everyone that said this episode was boring is a shithead. Nestor Carbonelll is a ****ing badass. Only problem is, they should have made Richard be from the 1700s or something.

[Second]

I've been called a shithead by a god. :(

[Jay]

Come on man, a 1 minute google search finds your answer.

The statue is a Statue of Taweret (http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Statue_of_Taweret).

Taweret is the Egyptian Goddess of childbirth and fertility, portrayed as a bipedal hippopotamus. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taweret)

A Hippo has four toes. (http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_many_toes_does_a_hippo_have)

Also - everyone that said this episode was boring is a shithead. Nestor Carbonelll is a ****ing badass. Only problem is, they should have made Richard be from the 1700s or something.

I'm sorry, but it's my adoration for Nestor Carbonell's bad-assery that made me dis the episode. It totally did not live up to the set up his character has had. The Isabella love story felt hackneyed and lame imo.

[AranchineD]

Yeah, don't you just hate it when TV writers mess with your expectations and pre-conceived notions like that, I would rather they do exactly want I want them to do everytime and offer me no surprises, that's the way I enjoy my TV shows best!

[Jay]

That's not what I was saying and you know it. Lost is about confounding expectations - it's one of the things I love about the show. Thing is, usually they confound my expectations by coming up with something way cooler or more interesting than I could ever have thought up (well, maybe not, but sometimes they get close). Here they had a character who has been an awesome mystery for about three seasons, one of the great unknowns of a show full of them. For three seasons most Lost fans have been pining for a Richard Alpert backstory episode. He's up there with ****ing Vincent the dog for most requested backstory. And then they delivered it, and yeah, they confounded my expectations. Just, unfortunately, not in a good way. So take your glib comment and shove it up your four-toed arse. :p

Having said all that I still enjoyed the episode - especially the stuff between Jacob and the Other Dude, and the reveal with the cork metaphor (I thought that was the best thing about the ep). I was just a bit non-plussed with how pedestrian Richard's backstory felt. Carbonell carried it off pretty well, though - he's possibly the best actor on the show imo.

[AranchineD]

Discovering RICARDO himself wanted 'immortality' (so he could stay out of Hell/have enough time to work out that penance thing), not as a result of Jacob forcing it onto RICARDO (HELLO INCREASING RELIGIOUS OVERTONES), seems like a pretty big thing for the character to me.




RICARDO

[Banjo Tooie]

DESMOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOND!

Kinda weak episode, but next week is going to be boss.

[Cubby]

I didn't think it was too bad, alt stuff was kinda weak yeah, on island stuff was good I think. Nice to see Des, and Jack etc finally leaving the beach.

[fishfishmonkeyhat]

I can't believe it wasn't Walt.

Perfect excuse to bring him back.

[Cubby]

**** waaaaaaaaaaaalllllllllltttttttttttt!!!!!!!!!!!

[Jay]

I was sure it was either going to be Des or Aaron. Aaron was my first choice. Walt crossed my mind, but I'd heard he was done for the series (which may or may not be true of course).

[Cubby]

I was only thinking Aaron, forgot about Des lol

[pauljdavidson]

This weeks episode was the boss, and the first episode this season that has me me truly excited, and its a Desmond episode, the best kind. And its the first ep this season the flash sideways are actually interesting. Guess this is the mid season game changer?
Gotta wonder if this alternate reality is the result of the MiB having his way with the world, or was it really setting off the nuke being (ultimately) part of the game being played by Jacob.

[Jay]

Yep, kick arse episode, as Des episodes almost always are. Even though pathetic Monaghan (stupid ****ing hobbit) tries his level best to **** up every scene he's in it was still awesome.

[banjoeskimo]

Hell-o! Now that was an awesome episode I wasn't expecting. I mean, I like Lost and all, but I was expecting the Richard ep to be the big mid-season payoff and the Desmond episode to be kinda meh. Not so. Finally seeing some definitive link up with the alt for the first time was awesome, as is the notion of the main cast reuniting in the alt. I absolutely adored all the throwbacks to previous seasons (the whiskey scene with Widmore, the stadium scene with Penny) and it was nice to hear You All Everybody once more before the show goes out. Minkowski's little guest role was pretty sweet as well.

I'm not sure how well my original hypothesis from the season six premiere is holding up though. I was initially under the impression that you could only experience the alt (or vice versa) through a near death encounter, but it appears memories of love work just as well.

There'd been talk for weeks that the "point" of Lost, or at least one of its primary themes would be revealed this week, and that it'd be a four letter word containing an 'O'. It appears as though this was correct, and as terrified as I was that the word would be "love" and end up being ultra cheesy, I have to say my feelings were quite unfounded. If that indeed is one of the keys to Lost, they managed to pull it off surprisingly well without making my eyes roll once.

My only disappointment is that Charlie's death is still sitting in a corner, untouched. Considering the entire justification for his character's demise was so that he could fulfill Desmond's prophecy of Claire jumping on to a chopper with Aaron, it's disappointing that they haven't touched it since, and I'm not sure how it could be addressed. Maybe it happens in the alt? Who knows.

[Ninjalada]

There'd been talk for weeks that the "point" of Lost, or at least one of its primary themes would be revealed this week, and that it'd be a four letter word containing an 'O'.

Lost?

[scoz]

Oh... there's a Lost thread on Hyper... never saw that before

I'm liking the constant Good vs Evil thing that's going on at the moment. I always thought that Jacob and "I can't believe it's not Locke" were going to turn out to be Ra and Apep respectively, but I guess we're only going to get the more vague good incarnate and evil incarnate.

Desmond episodes are always awesome, so I can't wait for next week. This one was alright but a little limp. He's the only one who "lived" the flashbacks in the past... maybe the flash sideways are actually going to get tied in?

I hope it picks up soon though. It's plodding along at a pace similar to the previous seasons, which would be fine if it wasn't the last season. Unless it ramps up soon, I'm not sure the ending will be as satisfying as everyone craves.

[Banjo Tooie]

scoz, you're posting in a thread where everyone has already seen the Desmond episode.

[fishfishmonkeyhat]

We saw it in our flash sideways.

[Second]

I want to punch Zoe in her whore mouth. Every time I see it, I want to punch her.

[AranchineD]

Well, that was an alright episode

[Second]

Too much whore mouth.

[AranchineD]

She was isn't it for long



And Faraday is Faraday is Faraday.

[fishfishmonkeyhat]

The important thing is Sayid shot her when he had the chance.

[Second]

I hate you, Blake.

[Cubby]

We saw it in our flash sideways.

How odd, cause that was 3 years ago.

[Ninjalada]

Lol @ Desmond

"I just want to show them something"
*creepy look*

[fishfishmonkeyhat]

http://i41.tinypic.com/72bn9h.gif

[AranchineD]

http://i41.tinypic.com/72bn9h.gif

http://img709.imageshack.us/img709/5320/1271281614684.jpg

[pauljdavidson]

Alt Lockes paralysis should be cured now.

[Banjo Tooie]

Yeah, because that's how paralysis works.

[fishfishmonkeyhat]

That's how Lost works.

[fishfishmonkeyhat]

http://i.imgur.com/Rfcb9.jpg

[pauljdavidson]

Yeah, because that's how paralysis works.

Was in response to this comical post. Of course thats how paralysis works!;)


http://img709.imageshack.us/img709/5320/1271281614684.jpg

Actually Lockes paralysis may end up being fixed as a result of Desmonds Hit and run. Locke will end up having surgery by Jack and Jack will have his 'other life' vision.

[fishfishmonkeyhat]

http://i348.photobucket.com/albums/q321/fishfishmonkeyhat/Temp/vlcsnap-2010-04-18-12h14m01s74.jpg