Modern Warfare 2 - Stimulus Package dropping March 30 for Xbox 360

[aubergine]

Holy Crap! Have you seen the ridiculously special edition of MW2 with the real night vision goggles? MURDER SIMULATION GET! (for $150 US)

will link when I get to my computer.

[Surgeon.]

*puts on COD hater hat*

This just seems like an incredibly dumb special edition, although I'm sure plenty of COD chumps will go out and waste money on it. Sure, they might be 'working' night vision goggles, but they're just going to be cheap crap completely inferior to the real thing. Not that I can actually think of a scenario where night vision goggles might be of any use.

[AranchineD]

It's called Call Of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 again, by the way.

[Stevorooni]

I'll probably just get the el cheapo version

[enrique]

I'm tossing up which version to get, more importantly I want a copy of the game but will those el cheap night vision goggles help me in my hobby as a peeping tom? ;)

[dinopoke]

I hope no-one gets blinded due to NVG misuse.

Anyway, I still haven't played COD4 yet. It's still too expensive. >__>

[Shorty]

I've seen it for around $40 at JB Hi-Fi.

[Stevorooni]

It's $49 at JB on 360/PS3/PC

I think WaW is $69, wouldn't mind picking that up when it gets cheaper

[Jickle]

It's called Call Of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 again, by the way.

But only if you buy the standard edition, funnily enough.

[faceless]

I love the idea of night vision goggles but I don't think I'm going to spend the extra $50+ it will cost to get them. The game looks like it will be alot of fun, hopefully they fixed the allied AI this time to actually push forward every now and then >_>

[Cian]

I'm not getting the goggles. Yeah it's cool....kinda, but ultimately pointless because I'll never use them. I'll probably buy the steelcase edition and play it until Bad Company 2 is released.

[Slippery]

It's still legally and officially called Modern Warfare 2, they just put CoD on the box to help the plebs figure out what it is.

[incompatible with life]

I'm normally a sucker for special edition gimicks. I mean, I was quite tempted by the promise of a video game locker with the special edition of NBA (never mind I don't actually play it). That said, I think if I really did want night vision goggles I'd get these (http://www.thinkgeek.com/geektoys/science/abf5/) (although it does use 5 AA batteries...).

I love the idea of night vision goggles but I don't think I'm going to spend the extra $50+ it will cost to get them. The game looks like it will be alot of fun, hopefully they fixed the allied AI this time to actually push forward every now and then >_>
Actually I believe it may be an extra $100-200. My understanding is that the proposed price is $150US.

[Shorty]

Kotaku has an interview with one of the IW folks (http://kotaku.com/5315981/infinity-ward-talks-modern-warfare-2-43-stories-up) talking about how they don't need to use the "Infinite Bucket of Enemies" anymore. Which is nice.

[immol8]

I just use a light switch to see in the dark. Regular version.

[Jickle]

Duuuuh lightswitch?

[Spudzilla]

Finally, I can re-enact my favourite scenes from The Silence Of The Lambs.

[AranchineD]

Finally, I can re-enact my favourite scenes from The Silence Of The Lambs.

CHILD STALKS AND KILL SISTER IN BASEMENT WHILE WEARING NIGHT VISION GOGGLES

New video game MODERN WARFARE 2 is to blame.

[Shorty]

AREA MAN CRUSHED BY FALLING COW.

Video games to be blamed.

[aubergine]

"West Virginian child weak, flabby; computer games at fault."

I'm calling $229 for the night vision edition here, if we even get it at all.

Reminds me of the time EA gave out brass knuckles. Headlines will roll over this violent assassins tool promoted to children.

[incompatible with life]

Though to be fair, wasn't it only to the press that they gave it to and even then they were scrambling to get them back once they realised you're not actually allowed to send people weapons in the mail (funny that)

[Jickle]

150 bucks for the Hardened Edition, 200 for Prestige. (http://www.kotaku.com.au/2009/07/modern-warfare-2-special-editions-priced-for-australia/) Unless JB cuts about $50 off the Hardened Edition I'll be going standard, I suppose.

[Nic Xtreme]

150 bucks for the Hardened Edition, 200 for Prestige. (http://www.kotaku.com.au/2009/07/modern-warfare-2-special-editions-priced-for-australia/) Unless JB cuts about $50 off the Hardened Edition I'll be going standard, I suppose.

Jeez, they're packaging night vision goggles with games now...what next? I wonder how cheap night vision goggles are now...

[Sweating Bullets]

Going to preorder the Prestige Ed during lunch.

[Tonez]

Yeah I'm a sucker for gimmicks. I'll probably get the Prestige as well.

[Stevorooni]

Reminds me of the time EA gave out brass knuckles. Headlines will roll over this violent assassins tool promoted to children.

There's tonnes of non-stalking uses for a set of night vision goggles for your everyday schmoe.

Like "checking" on people... in the dark.

Yeah I'm a sucker for gimmicks. I'll probbaly get the Prestige as well.

Great, now I won't even be able to escape you at night time either

[Shorty]

I reckon I could get on board for this one.

[aubergine]

Wow, I really expected it to be more than the cat helmet Halo 3 edition.

Seems a bit wierd paying "only" $50 more for the goggles, but the hardened edition seems overpriced for what you get.

[incompatible with life]

Awesome, I'm there. It'll probably use a horrendous amount of batteries but I can't pass up a good gimick in a special edition.

[erayser_168]

i think GAME are doing the hardened edition for 109 online but not 100% sure

still cant stop me getting my epic NVGs :p

[JONO RANDOM H3RO]

EB website says the Hardened is $130.

[/backslash]

Jeez, they're packaging night vision goggles with games now...what next?
Burnout 6 Prestige Edition - now comes with a rundown smashed car! - $500

http://ltbrin.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/smashedcar.jpg

[adam_91vn]

First multiplayer footage

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBJcOy6iuUc

[Cian]

First multiplayer footage

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBJcOy6iuUc

Excuse me while I beat the shit out of my penis.


Customized kill streaks is a clever idea, and hopefully it will even out the playing field. Helicopters on hardcore are a ****ing nightmare.

[adam_91vn]

The environments looked awesome aswell.

I love how you can hear the photocopier as you stick the grenade to the guys head.

[enrique]

Awesome single player vid. :eek:

http://www.gametrailers.com/video/washington-d-c-modern-warfare/57266?type=mov

I can't believe what happens to Washington DC, thats pretty intense, can't wait to see how the story unfolds. This looks epic.

[autologic]

**** yes

[Spazzallo]

Anyone pre-ordered yet? I traded in Mario Kart at GAME and now owe $60 (they want $120 for the standard edition). Good thing is they can't tell if you've traded in a game for it based off the receipt and refund cash for the extra money paid for the game after price matching (at least they did for me last time).

[Barefooted Hobo]

I'm tempted to pick up the 360 250gb MW2 pack since I lack a 360 atm. It's good value, but 250gb is a little too much. =/

[Surgeon.]

Apparently no dedicated servers/user-created mods for PC version.

Not that I was going to buy anyway, but nice to know they're looking out for us PC gamers.

[Sweating Bullets]

Anyone pre-ordered yet?

Pre-ordered 2 copies of the Prestige Edition when they were announced a while back. One for me and one for my brother.

[Jay]

So you can stalk each other around the house with the night vision goggles?

[Sweating Bullets]

The plan is to set booby traps around the Geelong player's homes so during next year's season they will be injury laden.

Someone told me that the Prestige edition is sold out?

[AranchineD]

Apparently no dedicated servers/user-created mods for PC version.

Not that I was going to buy anyway, but nice to know they're looking out for us PC gamers.

Isn't this story completely fake and was just CS players trolling the internet?

[dinopoke]

No one knows yet but here's the full details:

IW has control of the game
IWnet servers will host multiplayer
DLC will be a charged item for PC
No dedicated servers
Matchmaking system used to play with similarly ranked players
VAC instead of PB
Semi-capable password servers
Semi-capable ad-hoc servers
Competitive play is dead
MW2 mods would not be possible
Full integration into Steam

In other words, it's removing control away from players under the guise of "making it simpler".

Now, I have nothing against IW-Hosted servers as an option, and making it more accessible to new players, or people without the money for a dedicated server, seems like a pretty good idea. The gaping hole of this logic comes when they downright force us to give up dedicated servers, which is basically destroying what makes online great on the PC.

Despite what the I.W. employee claims, online gameplay on PC has always been superior due to the level of customization and control it allows. You buy your own servers, you make your own rules and you shape your own content. Your server basically becomes your "home". You ban who you want, you do what you want, and whomever doesn't like it can stay out. None of this is possible once you put it all under a company's wing. Regardless of what anyone says, being FORCED to play it on their servers means that, ultimately, it's their rules, and whatever they decide goes, because you CAN'T just leave and play on your own server. What if tomorrow Infinity Ward decides having the word "gay" in your name is not allowed? It's not like this kind of thing never happened before. Or that maybe swearing is not allowed.

Ultimately, this is not about having "LOLDICKGAYcheerful person!" as your user name, but over the fact that you no longer own the online portion of your game. You loan it. And you're subject to the whims and machinations of whomever at I.W..

Forced Matchmaking is yet another colossal dickmove... While it's nice to have the option to "quick join" a game, I think we all know by now how fun FORCED Matchmaking is (and how well it works).

These are all things that could potentially be great news if they were all added as options, but making them mandatory over the "tried and true" formula feels dictatorial and coercive at best, and self-destructive at worse.

Let's hope this is just a misinformed employee, and that we will get our dedicated servers and full control of our own game, at least as an option.

More on this as it develops.

http://thesection8.blogspot.com/2009/10/iw-potentially-ruins-modern-warfare-2s.html

Apparently, the mods from MW2 forums are all hush hush about this and there hasn't been an official statement. If true, this will be a devastating blow for the PC version.

[AranchineD]

And if you want to get really cynical, when the next game comes along they could very easily shut down the servers and make everyone buy the new game if they want to keep playing MP.


Of course, a plan like that would, by all common sense, be doomed to failure, but then again, since when was there sense in the gaming industry...

[Bokracroc]

And if you want to get really cynical, when the next game comes along they could very easily shut down the servers and make everyone buy the new game if they want to keep playing MP.
You mean like what EA Sports games did on the old Xbox :D

[AranchineD]

Yes, and as we all know Activision are the new EA!

[dinopoke]

The pieces of the puzzle are coming together!

[Jay]

Apparently the game has been given an 18+ rating in the UK. I shudder to think...surely the censorship board wouldn't be so ****ing stupid...

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/bbfc-whacks-18-rating-on-mw2

[Spazzallo]

Apparently the game has been given an 18+ rating in the UK. I shudder to think...surely the censorship board wouldn't be so ****ing stupid...

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/bbfc-whacks-18-rating-on-mw2

On the bright side there will be less kids talking shit during games :).

[Jickle]

It's already been given an MA here, we're in the clear.

[Jay]

Don't say that. You don't know the power of the Atkinson...

BTW Jickle, get a PS3 and play Uncharted 2. Wow.

[Jickle]

A guy I sort of know was telling me the other day that he went to Atkinson's son's 21st, and got video footage of Michael rather enjoying the fatogram somebody ordered. I'm.....sceptical as to the truth behind his words (I haven't bothered to find him on Facebook and ask for the footage), although it does seem like an odd thing to lie about.

[HiredMan]

Apparently the PC FPS community is going bourke over the announcement that the PC version of MW2 has replaced dedicated servers with a matchmaking system. (http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/no-dedicated-servers-for-pc-mw2)

In other news NeoGAF is borked (may or may not be related ;))

[Stevorooni]

It's already been given an MA here, we're in the clear.

Although the guns have probably been replaced with water pistols

[Clockw0rk]

Although the guns have probably been replaced with water pistols
Nope, they're just all bright orange.
Ordering the Special Edition Console bundle for this one. Insurance bought me a new Elite which I've sold to my flatmate so I can get that limited edition 250gb.

Not fussed about multi, I'm getting this for the campaign (and it'll be on 360 anyway).
Sucks for PC users though, I'd be pretty angry.

[dinopoke]

Yeah I've a lot of people are cancelling their preorders. First, no collectors edition and now this?

Me? I'm still angry that the original COD4 for PC still hasn't come down into a decent price.

[McChimp]

Nope, they're just all bright orange.

Nope again. The guns are fine, it's just the blood's been replaced with sweat and messy gibs with floaty love-hearts.

[Creedy]

Apparently the PC FPS community is going bourke over the announcement that the PC version of MW2 has replaced dedicated servers with a matchmaking system. (http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/no-dedicated-servers-for-pc-mw2)

In other news NeoGAF is borked (may or may not be related ;))

A matchmaking system on the PC is absolutly borked and a load of bullshit. It's pretty much a disgrace to the PC gaming platform. Dedicated servers is the way this game should be and I'll be boycotting MW2 just like I'm boycotting L4D2.
Keep this console bullshit out of the PC realm thank you.

[Hyperblau]

I dont think matchmaking is a bad thing for PC, but i think it should be run in tandem with dedicated servers. I can think of nothing worse than playing a new online game and getting smashed by people that play the game 24/7. I don't have this problem with Call of Duty (quite the opposite) but I have experienced it in the past. Matchmaking is fine, but it should be an option.

Oh and what is with boycott being word of the year?

[SOX]

As long as it actually sets me up with a good ping FFA HC server I'm not really going to complain. Sure it's better playing with regulars but it's not the end of the world.

[Hyperblau]

As long as it actually sets me up with a good ping FFA HC server I'm not really going to complain. Sure it's better playing with regulars but it's not the end of the world.

Yeah ping might be an issue. I think dedicated servers should just be an advanced setting.

[SOX]

Yeah ping might be an issue. I think dedicated servers should just be an advanced setting.

Yeah the reason I thought of that was due to the questionable connections I got in L4D. But then again I went from 1-55 in COD4 with 200+ ping...

[SOX]

Not long til MOD2* is out now >_<
Get my gaming PC back on Sunday so I'm just going to hit up COD4 FFA HC to tide me over til the 10th and try avoid any of those tempting new releases.



*totally coining this

[Azzaman]

Just saw this on steam, $89usd? get stuffed.

that is all.

[Watchers]

Just saw this on steam, $89usd? get stuffed.

that is all.

Yup. I certainly won't be picking this up anymore.

[SOX]

Because it's totally going to be $89US in stores right??
I'm guessing JB will have it for $89 and I'll just grab it from there.

[AranchineD]

So apparently at the beginning of this game you'll be running around an airport slaughtering unarmed civilians.

Sounds fun.

[Clockw0rk]

Yeah, just watched the clip on Kotaku. That's seriously messed up. Has it been banned in Aus yet?

[AranchineD]

Pretty sure it's actually already been rated. Which, given those recent 'RC' decisions regarding a particular game...

[Jay]

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/shocking-mw2-footage-leaked

Here's a Eurogamer article about it. Taking on the role of the terrorists eh? Controvery for controversy's sake or a genuinely interesting political statement? Very intriguing.

[Slippery]

http://www.jbhifi.com.au/games/modern-warfare-2/
(http://www.jbhifi.com.au/games/modern-warfare-2/)
$80 on PC, $89 on consoles.

Cheaper to buy a box copy, not including how much downloades you'd use.

[AranchineD]

Here's a Eurogamer article about it. Taking on the role of the terrorists eh? Controvery for controversy's sake or a genuinely interesting political statement? Very intriguing.

I'm going to go with the former for the moment, but I'll be interested to see just how well they sell that doing something like that is the only way to get close to, what I'm assuming is, the "terrorist leader" or whoever it is. Might change my mind if I can conclude it's done well enough, and not just the developers putting in a Scientist Hunt/Postal level in the game.

[Shorty]

At least it will be comfortably beatable on Veteran. :p

[Jickle]

Here's a Eurogamer article about it. Taking on the role of the terrorists eh? Controvery for controversy's sake or a genuinely interesting political statement? Very intriguing.

I'm not going to watch the footage (don't want it spoiled), but I very much doubt it's controversy for the sake of controversy. I'm hoping it'll be this game's equivilant of the AC-130 mission - a mission that was intensely creepy simply because it was so easy, and the people you were attacking had no way of defending themselves.

[Shorty]

So apparently at the beginning of this game you'll be running around an airport slaughtering unarmed civilians.

http://i660.photobucket.com/albums/uu328/zerosignal/panic-705224.png

I can see this thing getting a solid workout.

[Cerebral]

http://www.theage.com.au/

it begins

[HiredMan]

Haha! Front page! This is gonna get messy but could be interesting to see how this affects recent classification issues.

EDIT:

"Expecting game designers to be responsible by not glorifying terrorism will always lead to disappointment."

Seriously, the dude is absolutely hilarious.

[Stevorooni]

Seriously, the dude is absolutely hilarious.

I do like one of the reader comments on that

expecting politicians to be intelligent by supporting an R18 classification will always lead to disappointment.

I find myself a little uneasy about killing innocent civilians in this game, hell when I played Infamous and shot at people trying to get food (taking the evil path) I felt so bad I reloaded and chose the good path :o
Yet strangely I didn't feel bad about running down people in GTA, but that game is a parody and I didn't go out of my way to mow them down, they mostly were just in my way - plus they're not real!

But I guess that's what this game is trying to make us feel, we should be reluctant to make that choice - the game makes us think and that's a good thing.

[Sweating Bullets]

There goes my pre-order if they alter they censor the game. Time to import the PS3 version imported.

[Stevorooni]

Yeah I want the 360 version for better multiplayer hijinks but if they screw it up then I'll import for PS3 or PC

[Jickle]

I very much doubt it's going to be taken back and censored if it's already been approved for an MA rating.

[Spazzallo]

I'll be pissed if protests make this need to be reclassified. Funny how our protests for other games to reclassified fall on deaf ears.

I ****ing hate mothers. Cheapskates, can't drive anywhere ****ing fast, and whinge all the time.

[igotnewsuper8systemWRONG!]

LOL at the headline

Terrorist game lets players massacre civilians

This is just what we need though to get ourselves an R rating for videogames, fingers crossed the game is RC.

[Choabac]

Due to the nature of the scene and the climate that we now live in, I have a feeling if it's it going to be banned at MA15+, it probably would still be banned at 18+.

[Lazlow]

A few weeks ago I was wondering if anyone ever had the balls to make a WWII game from the German perspective. So I actually commend the implementation of a terrorist perspective.

The problem I have whenever these "controversies" arise is they are immediately brand them as a glorification of an abhorrent act. They strip away the context and focus purely on the image. Video games are emergining beyond simple high score contests. Narratives are becoming more involved and complex; althogether bolder and more challenging. If a film can portray a terrorist perspective, then why not a game?

(as a side note a moment last night during NCIS:LA was especially sickening. a Nth Korean or Chinese character, didn't catch it specifically, saying his dead brother believed 1 day of happiness in America was worth 100 days of hell back in his home land. U-S-A, U-S-A, U-S-A :rolleyes: )

EDIT:

Activision said in a statement that the footage was "not representative of the overall gameplay experience". It said players could choose not to play the scene if they found it too confronting.

......

The scene is designed to evoke the atrocities of terrorism."


Well there you go.

[Shorty]

I very much doubt it's going to be taken back and censored if it's already been approved for an MA rating.

Tell that to the creators of Manhunt and Getting Up. That's one of the other weaknesses of the national classification scheme - it's incredibly vulnerable to political interference.

[Sweating Bullets]

Tell that to the creators of Manhunt and Getting Up. That's one of the other weaknesses of the national classification scheme - it's incredibly vulnerable to political interference.

I think hypocrisy would be a better word than vulnerable. I will be ****ing livid if this causes the game to get banned here.

[Stevorooni]

The story has filtered through to all the other news sites now too.

I think hypocrisy would be a better word than vulnerable. I will be ****ing livid if this causes the game to get banned here.

The only thing I can think of to do in protest is to just buy all games from overseas even if they've been released here. Buying games here almost validates our broken ratings system and if enough people sent their money overseas it... would probably make no difference whatsoever, 15 people would do it and the rest would just continue to buy locally.

But we could kid ourselves into thinking it was making a difference.

[Shorty]

I think hypocrisy would be a better word than vulnerable. I will be ****ing livid if this causes the game to get banned here.

No, "hypocrisy" is one game getting dinged for something while another cruises through untouched. The "vulnerability" is in some vote-chasing politician complaining that a game's "too violent" after it comes out and getting the Attorney-General to lean on the CRB to review it (ie. "come back with an answer I want") and get it banned. It totally undermines the authority of those groups if some elected nimrod can just come along and undo everything just like that.

[Lazlow]

In the case of Getting Up, Brisbane City Council f***ed the rest of Australia.

[DrAkyYyY]

does everyone have a link for this ultra violent video od mw2 coz i cnt find it any where

[Lazlow]

Activision have been getting it removed/deleted off the net.

[Cerebral]

Saw the video (nfi what website, I was at Uni). It isn't pretty, and I'm not surprised by the outrage.

It isn't just the killing of innocent civilians, it's more like a massacre. You and your squadmates (well if you choose to do so) basically open fire on huge crowds of people (and the subsequent authoroties who are called in later and actually fight back). Injured people are crawling away or pulling others to safety and you're free to gun them down. Pretty gruesome, and far more confronting than anything in GTA.

[Stevorooni]

Atkinson responds to news article (http://www.news.com.au/adelaidenow/comments/0,22638,26276718-5006301,00.html)

I worry about any game that encourages gamers to perpetrate extreme violence and cruelty on screen. This game allows players to be virtual terrorists and gain points by massacring civilians. Expecting game designers to be responsible by not glorifying terrorism will always lead to our being disappointed. Expecting the Classification Board to apply the Guidelines properly will also sometimes lead to our being disappointed. I veto an R. 18+ category for games because introducing it will increase the risk of children and vulnerable adults (such as those with mental illnesses) being exposed to damaging images and messages. In cinemas the age of moviegoers can be regulated but once electronic games are in the home, access to them will not be policed and the games are easily accessible to children. The repeated act of killing a computer-generated person or creature desensitizes children (and some adults) to violence. There is refereed psychiatric research on this by American professor Craig Anderson. Extreme violence, cruelty, criminality and depraved sex are not essential for adults to enjoy playing interactive games. In 2007/08 just three computer games were refused classification (banned). This is a tiny proportion of the 961 decisions made last financial year. Only 55 were classified at the top existing rating of M.A. 15+. Some on this blog believe that the current system restricts adult liberty. I think it is a small price to pay to keep this material away from children and vulnerable adults. The small sacrifice is worth it.

Just regurgitates the same view, as expected. Also, "for points"? This isn't 1987.

[Lazlow]

Wow you can really pick apart the contradictions (who's regulating R18+ films at home?) and unsubstantiated bullshit (desensitization), but I'm sure many have been down that fruitless path.

[Stevorooni]

People have pissed me off before, but I have pure hatred for the guy. Every time I see his photo or read his words I grit my teeth and feel a surge of anger and frustration.

No one else has ever brought that out in me, violent videogames have never brought it out in me, but this one man does it and it's because we can't do anything except hope he gets voted out.

[Choabac]

Steve of Adelaide? :P

[TAT]

Just regurgitates the same view, as expected.

Also, "for points"? This isn't 1987.
My thoughts exactly. I'm not surprised that he took this opportunity to weigh in on the R18+ issue, but you'd think that he'd research the content a little more before damning it outright.

I think it's a very brave move by Activision (whether you can skip it or not), just like the intro to the first MW game (seeing from the eyes of the executed).

In all seriousness, good on them for pushing the boundaries and highlighting the difference between war and terrorism.

[Jay]

My thoughts exactly. I'm not surprised that he took this opportunity to weigh in on the R18+ issue, but you'd think that he'd research the content a little more before damning it outright.

I think it's a very brave move by Activision (whether you can skip it or not), just like the intro to the first MW game (seeing from the eyes of the executed).

In all seriousness, good on them for pushing the boundaries and highlighting the difference between war and terrorism.

Don't know why, he never has before.

I hope the game handles this moment well - and the way they handled those key narrative moments in CoD4 suggests they well - because it is has the potential to be incredibly powerful. If handled poorly it could be a disaster.

[Lazlow]

Link to the offending footage (http://darkdiamond.net/web-notes/modern-warfare-2-the-elusive-banned-video/)

[grimace06]

Link to the offending footage (http://darkdiamond.net/web-notes/modern-warfare-2-the-elusive-banned-video/)

I'm now interested in this game - those civilians aren't respawning.

[Stevorooni]

If they made the innocent civilians fade away after dying would it be ok?

They could also rename guns and bullets to kablooeys and bam-pucks to disguise the fact that they are weapons.

[Lazlow]

I'd rather they get shot, and then dance the Charleston.

[Spazzallo]

Anybody going to the midnight launch? It's on a Friday night I'm thinking of going after attending the dog races :).

[Jay]

I just watched it. Wow. That is full on. Not sure how I feel about it. At the moment the best thing I can say is that it is bloody impactful, so they've succeeded there at least.

[Shorty]

Wow you can really pick apart the contradictions (who's regulating R18+ films at home?) and unsubstantiated bullshit (desensitization), but I'm sure many have been down that fruitless path.

I'd also advise him to look up the term "chilling effect (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chilling_effect_(term))". You'd be surprised how much "only three decisions" can affect the developers and publishers who generate the other 961.

But yeah, ultimately it's pointless to try and win over someone who outright refuses to see things from anyone else's point of view. It's days like this that I lament the almost complete lack of technological progressiveness in our nation's leadership.

[Natrak]

Depraved sex. He loves that line so much.

[Shorty]

Depraved sex. He loves that line so much.

And it's not even remotely accurate. Seriously, when was the last time you saw "depraved sex" in a game that wasn't Japanese?

[TAT]

My personal fave is 'vulnerable adults'.

[Sweating Bullets]

I just watched it. Wow. That is full on. Not sure how I feel about it. At the moment the best thing I can say is that it is bloody impactful, so they've succeeded there at least.

My feelings exactly on this. I thought whats the big freaking deal about, then after seeing it does make quite an impact. 10 more days until the release date? Let's hope nothing crazy happens between now and then.

[Shorty]

The Australian Council on Children and the Media (seriously, what is it with children's groups?) is calling for the game's classification to be reviewed (http://www.smh.com.au/digital-life/games/outrage-as-terrorist-game-lets-players-massacre-civilians-20091029-hmey.html?autostart=1). I think I speak for everyone here when I say:

http://i660.photobucket.com/albums/uu328/zerosignal/not_this_shit_again.jpg

[Spazzallo]

Maybe groups such as theirs should call for parents to actually look as classification labels before buying little Jimmy a new game >_<.

[Lazlow]

Can we start a Council of Responsible Adult Gamers, and ask they leave well the f*** alone?

[Xanafalgue]

God I hate parents. Everytime I see some fat bitch speaking on behalf of a THINK OF THE CHILDREN! group I just want to swing her around by her fanny thatch into oncoming traffic.

[HiredMan]

God I hate parents. Everytime I see some fat bitch speaking on behalf of a THINK OF THE CHILDREN! group I just want to swing her around by her fanny thatch into oncoming traffic.

Oh man, post of the day by a mile. Well done Larz :D

[sausage]

http://www.christianbooks.uk.com/shop/images/fire%20in%20the%20thatch.jpg

[Stevorooni]

I wonder what the legalities would be on someone starting an Australian based store that brings in banned/uncensored games, but then to get around the legality of selling banned games they actually sell something else, like... bookmarks... for $100 each... and with these $100 bookmarks you get your choice of a "free game" which technically is being given away rather than sold.

[Lazlow]

That's still distribution >_>

[Sweating Bullets]

I do wonder what will happen if this gets banned. Will they just burn the sold out Prestige Editions or something...?

[Jay]

This will be a genuinely intriguing case, because whilst high profile games have felt the banhammer before, this is a game on a completely different level of profile.

[sausage]

And what about those MW2 Xbox 360 console bundles?

Won't someone think of the bundles!

[Stevorooni]

That's still distribution >_>

But it's not selling! Refused classification games can't be SOLD in Australia! :p

[Jay]

They are. They're thinking of the bundles of joy. The children. :p

[sausage]

You can give someone a spliff and that'd be illegal too.

[Stevorooni]

I've had it up to here with you and your precious LAWS

[REQUIEM]

Australians arent trusted to be adults so we get treated like children get used to it.

edit: The evidence is everywhere.

[Afrogamer]

I definetely hope this game wont get banned and theres a high chance that it wont, but you know stuff happens. Like Jay said before this game is on a level on its own when it comes to popularity, i mean this game is everywhere.

So many people at my school were introduced to gaming because of Modern Warefare and many more are aware of its existance, i found myself talking to one of the so called jocks the other day and he was hell hyped for this release. I think Modern Warfare was a mainstream sucess and the backlash should be to much to handle.

IF IT DOES GET BANNED i hope, that this is the game that receives enough attention that it finaly makes someone higher up take another look at the classification laws and see how retarded and inconsistant they are and actually change something. That was a bit of a rant but umm yeah....

[Slippery]

But the problem with using MW2 as the game to make this a more noted problem is that you play as a terrorist - everyone who cries "won't somebody please think of the children" is just going to have more ammunition to blindly yell back at us without seriously considering the issue.

"You want us to change the law so you can kill people in an airport as a terrorist?... No."

I have serious reservations about wether Modern Warfare 2 getting banned would help the cause, but it does really highlight the inconsistencies - L4D2 banned but MW2 not? :/

[Stevorooni]

Refused Classification (http://www.hyper.com.au/forums/showthread.php?p=1132574#post1132574) heh heh heh, sorry!

[Afrogamer]

*shakes fist at Stevorooni*

[enrique]

*joins crowd shaking fists at Stevorooni*

[concrete donkey]

c'mon, Terrorsts massacring civilians in an airport? I.W had to have known this would cause trouble. I also think they have gone too far with it, its totally unnecessary to have something like that in the game.

[Lazlow]

You make it sound like massacring civilians is something new to video games. :/

[Stevorooni]

The people in GTA weren't innocent civilians, they were actually zombies infected with a disease that made them act human, so it was ok.

[AranchineD]

c'mon, an undercover agent massacring civilians in an airport to try and gain the trust of a terrorist leader, reflecting the lack of pure black and white decisions and scenarios that exist in the world? I.W had to have known this would cause trouble. I also think they have gone too far with it, its totally unnecessary to have something like that in the game.

Fixed.

[Xanafalgue]

c'mon, Terrorsts massacring civilians in an airport? I.W had to have known this would cause trouble. I also think they have gone too far with it, its totally unnecessary to have something like that in the game.

I think its great *shrugs*

[grimace06]

Fixed.

Have they actually said this is the case?

[AranchineD]

Have they actually said this is the case?

Yes..

[Shorty]

Isn't it also optional, so you don't have to play it?

[Lazlow]

Have they actually said this is the case?


The scene establishes the depth of evil and the cold bloodedness of a rogue Russian villain and his unit. By establishing that evil, it adds to the urgency of the player’s mission to stop them.

So, as Aran said, yes.

I commend them for it. Yes they could easily have got the point across with a simple FMV that fades to black, only hearing the deathly screams of innocent people, but that's old hat and cliched. The emotional impact on the player is not the same.

And as Shorty said, its optional. I.W. clearly recognise the gravity of the situation and give people the choice if they wish to experience it. The Call of Duty games have a history of being very respectful to their source material, and I don't see this as a simple for-shock-value, headline grabber.

[borgster101]

Isn't it also optional, so you don't have to play it?

That wouldn't matter, since GTA San Andreas had to be taken off the shelves for content that wasn't even really in the game at all!

But hopefully in this case, it's just silly parent groups crying out for no reason .. why can't they cry out for an R rating at least, if they're so concerned the game is MA 15+? At least then we'd be fighting for the same cause, albeit different reasons :p

[Lazlow]

Thing that shits me is the claim it promotes terrorism, when in fact within context, its doing the exact opposite.

[TAT]

I think it's also posing another, more interesting question (from what I can gather about the context, did I see a CIA logo spinning?), which asks how far is 'too far' in the war against terror?

[Lazlow]

Making prisoners listen to Pink.

[Shorty]

Honestly, it's not the parents group that I'm concerned about. They complain about stuff all the time. It's the vote-chasing politicians that listen to them and who can actually make a ban happen that I'm concerned about.

[Spazzallo]

Let's hope street dates get blown out the door so nothing horrible happens :(.

[Jay]

I think it's also posing another, more interesting question (from what I can gather about the context, did I see a CIA logo spinning?), which asks how far is 'too far' in the war against terror?

This is absolutely the more interesting question posed by the scenario, though unfortunately it's the one most likely to be missed/ignored by the mainstream media and any controversy grabbing moron trying to make a bigger/wronger issue out of this.

I'm still not sure how I feel about the scene - I think it is almost too much for my own sensibilities - but I absolutely applaud the fact that it seems to pose those questions to gamers.

[TAT]

I absolutely agree.

It's mission 4, though, so I would expect missions 1-3 to fill in a bit more about how you (CIA?) infiltrated the terrorists.

[Mr Incredible]

The war on terror is as much an oxymoron as corporate ethics. There's no... "war on terror"... war IS terror.

[TAT]

Well that's just it, isn't it?

How is it more honourable for opposing sides to stand in two parallel lines shooting at eachother?...

[AranchineD]

This is absolutely the more interesting question posed by the scenario, though unfortunately it's the one most likely to be missed/ignored by the mainstream media and any controversy grabbing moron trying to make a bigger/wronger issue out of this.

You forgot "and most ignorant teenagers who 'll actually play the game."

[REQUIEM]

The war on terror is as much an oxymoron as corporate ethics. There's no... "war on terror"... war IS terror.

One mans Terrorist is another mans Freedom Fighter..

[Mr Incredible]

Mmmm... I understand what your saying REQUIEM... but violence begets violence... and if we realised we're all in it together... then anyone using violence, is really, in the long run only hurting themselves, or indirectly there future relatives and children.

As someone I can't remember once said... "You do what you've always done and you get what you've always got"

We've been doing the same thing for a long time... and we keep getting what we've always got... if only people believed they could make a difference and actually challenge people's long held and conditioned beliefs... than maybe things may change.

But that is part of the root cause of our current situation... acting in that way is a should for most people... not a must!

Anyway... let's not get sidetracked here! I really can't wait to blow people away with a Cheyenne Tactical M200 in my Ghillie suit!

I admit I've really enjoyed Modern Warfare and am really looking forward to MW2... I just wonder whether games and films based on warfare create a culture in which War is reinforced as an acceptable and needed form of interaction!?

I wonder if it harks back to those primal instincts and urges to compete and fight for survival that so many of guys don't get to experience anymore.

Is it an outlet for that!?

[Shorty]

Honestly, I'd prefer it if countries engaged in virtual war rather than actual war. I mean, war's computerised enough anyway and it'd probably be a damn sight cheaper to just have mass online FPS competitions. Plus, you can offset the cost even more by selling TV rights! :cool:

[REQUIEM]

Mmmm... I understand what your saying REQUIEM... but violence begets violence... and if we realised we're all in it together... then anyone using violence, is really, in the long run only hurting themselves, or indirectly there future relatives and children.

As someone I can't remember once said... "You do what you've always done and you get what you've always got"

We've been doing the same thing for a long time... and we keep getting what we've always got... if only people believed they could make a difference and actually challenge people's long held and conditioned beliefs... than maybe things may change.

But that is part of the root cause of our current situation... acting in that way is a should for most people... not a must!


Anyway... let's not get sidetracked here! I really can't wait to blow people away with a Cheyenne Tactical M200 in my Ghillie suit!

I admit I've really enjoyed Modern Warfare and am really looking forward to MW2... I just wonder whether games and films based on warfare create a culture in which War is reinforced as an acceptable and needed form of interaction!?

I wonder if it harks back to those primal instincts and urges to compete and fight for survival that so many of guys don't get to experience anymore.

Is it an outlet for that!?

I want peace as I have a 5 year old son growing up in an uncertain peaceful future. Like the old addage states :

" If you want peace than prepare for war "

That comes from the fact that a country doesnt start a war, one man with a bomb gets the same result or a few behind the controls of some commercial aeroplanes. Just look at 911 and the actions that that event caused. Less than 50 men caused it yet the war on terror caused 1000's to die for the cause of the " WAR ON TERROR ".

[Lazlow]

...

wut?

[Jay]

This is unrelated to the current debate - sorry, as it's a very interesting debate - and it's also unrelated to MW2, but as World at War doesn't seem to have a thread I could find I thought I'd post this in here. Cannot remember if it was ever posted before, but turns out there is a ray-gun in the game which you can secretly unlock. Here's a video of how to do it. If you are sceptical you needn't be - I just did it and it works.

http://www.easyxbox360achievements.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=381:cod-5-ray-gun&catid=1:latest-news

[Stevorooni]

...

wut?

Just smile and back away slowly

[REQUIEM]

...

wut?

Terrorism as it relates to todays society? what did you think it meant??

and its what?

[Slippery]

UKG is still UKG, regardless of name change.

[REQUIEM]

UKG is still UKG, regardless of name change.

/yawns at the same old shit regardless of topic.

edit: I would revamp UKG he has 1500 more posts.

[adam_91vn]

Lame

http://www.examiner.com/examiner/x-12218-Providence-Video-Game-Examiner~y2009m11d1-MS-forcefully-removes-party-chat-for-upcoming-titles

I use party chat all the time

[Takeda]

Lame

http://www.examiner.com/examiner/x-12218-Providence-Video-Game-Examiner~y2009m11d1-MS-forcefully-removes-party-chat-for-upcoming-titles

I use party chat all the time

Oh joy. I just love listening to Americans brag about killing me in their crisp green connection while hiding in the corner of the map.

Mic Out > Children/Music/Americans

[Spazzallo]

God damnit that's bullshit. I talk to my mates whilst playing games and I ****ing hate American brats :(. Might have to open Ventrilo on the PC.

[Takeda]

God damnit that's bullshit. I talk to my mates whilst playing games and I ****ing hate American brats :(. Might have to open Ventrilo on the PC.

I know how you feel. I talk to my friends all the time while playing other games. None of mine plan to get MW2. Now I'm going to be a serious loner. :(

I'm sure I'll find some way around it. Without giving up on the Box and going full out Sony.

[Xanafalgue]

Good. I never hear people talk on XBL anymore. I rarely do Party Chat because only 2 of my IRL friends game and they both live OS O_o

As annoying as Americans are, I get a laugh out of them.

[Bokracroc]

Good. I never hear people talk on XBL anymore.
I agree. Annoying as all shit when you're meant to be playing a Team game too but over half the team are all in there private party chats. Though I would like to see an Opt Out option, something like you can still play online but it's not Ranked/No EXP.

[REQUIEM]

I can grab a copy for 360 tommorrow if i wanna go the eyepatch route.

[Sweating Bullets]

Not too sure on how legit this is but nontheless:

http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc238/iFreeze/MYCODMW2Firstkuwaiti.jpg

[Jay]

Lame

http://www.examiner.com/examiner/x-12218-Providence-Video-Game-Examiner~y2009m11d1-MS-forcefully-removes-party-chat-for-upcoming-titles

I use party chat all the time

Yeah, that's a potential deal breaker for me in terms of playing the multi-player. What a bullshit decision. Sorry we're not all hardcore enough to be so ****ing protective of our online stats.

[Jickle]

Yeah, that's a potential deal breaker for me in terms of playing the multi-player. What a bullshit decision. Sorry we're not all hardcore enough to be so ****ing protective of our online stats.

It's potentially irritating, but frankly the game could stab me in the penis with a syringe full of swine-flu everytime I loaded up and I'd still play online.

[Jay]

Yeah, but the whole time you were playing you wouldn't be able to tell your friends how shit it was having your penis stabbed with a syringe full of swine-flu, so you gotta ask yourself, is it really worth it? :p

[SOX]

**** yeah it's worth it.

I just gotta pretend like it's not there as I've just got Borderlands and Fallout 3 is in the mail....

[Shorty]

It's potentially irritating, but frankly the game could stab me in the penis with a syringe full of swine-flu everytime I loaded up and I'd still play online.

"C'mon, let's load up Penis Stabbing Mode," he says. "It'll be fun," he says.

Never again. :(

:P

[Slippery]

People may boycott on PC, but it's still gonna sell out the arse.
(http://kotaku.com/5396523/modern-warfare-2-breaks-pre+order-records)

[Hyperblau]

What platform is everyone getting this on? I'm probably going PC but I'm not really sure yet.

[Cobla]

360 for me, though I only have to choose between that and PS3

[Jay]

Yeah, 360 for me too.

[REQUIEM]

360 for me, though I only have to choose between that and PS3

I have that to decide, tomorrow for 360 with No online play as I CBF paying for xbox live and the realease date obviously,or wait and grab PS3 to continue my online frag fest. I might grab the eyepatch 360 version for $10 for the mission single player and then pay and get the PS3 for online play. What would you do ?

[adam_91vn]

Here is a list of the Playlists you may not Party Chat in:
* Domination
* Ground War
* Demolition
* Sabotage
* Headquarters Pro
* Search & Destroy
* Hardcore Search & Destroy
* Capture The Flag
* Team Deathmatch
* Hardcore Team Deathmatch
* Third Person Cagematch

http://kotaku.com/5395046/no-party-chat-in-modern-warfare-2

[Jickle]

I have that to decide, tomorrow for 360 with No online play as I CBF paying for xbox live or wai and grab PS3 to continuemy online frag fest. I might grab th eyepatch 360 version for $10 and then pay and get the PS3 for online play. What would you do ?

Might as well wait for the PS3 version, I would say. Online is a big part of the game.

[REQUIEM]

Might as well wait for the PS3 version, I would say. Online is a big part of the game.

That is my thoughts, I love MW1 online :)

[Creedy]

No dedicated servers, I will not support this product.
BOOYAH

[Hyperblau]

Upon reading the above post, Activision Ceo Bobby Kotick announced Activision are discontinuing all business and shutting down.

[Creedy]

Thank God for that!

[AranchineD]

As Slippery alluded to before, the game will sell like absolutely nothing before, and it's going to be quite funny seeing the faces of all the boycotting PC users realising that no-one gives a shit about their crap anymore. They'll finally stop holding the gaming industry back from innovating into areas that are much better than we have now; because PC users kept crying at the smallest difference in anything (probably developed from when they got all anxious and nervous when momma changed something in the basement) we never got anymore.

Godspeed Infinity Ward and Modern Warfare 2. Sell your golden hearts out.

[castr8or]

ah yes, damn PC users for wanting the SUPERIOR option

[SOX]

No dedicated servers, I will not support this product.
BOOYAH

So I take it you have never bought any 360 multiplayer games then?

[Stevorooni]

So I take it you have never bought any 360 multiplayer games then?

Oh don't get him started on that

[Munky]

Snakes On A Plane I think made corporate executives wake up a little.

They thought that internet hype was actually worth something and made a product based on it.

I guess they realised the vocal minority are worth little while the silent mainstream majority will bring in billions.

[castr8or]

FPSs on console? enjoy your slow paced ******ry!

[AranchineD]

FPS on PC? Enjoy your console ports and mouse lag!

[Jickle]

Gaming? Enjoy not going outside for a few hours!

[Spazzallo]

Here is a list of the Playlists you may not Party Chat in:
* Domination
* Ground War
* Demolition
* Sabotage
* Headquarters Pro
* Search & Destroy
* Hardcore Search & Destroy
* Capture The Flag
* Team Deathmatch
* Hardcore Team Deathmatch
* Third Person Cagematch

http://kotaku.com/5395046/no-party-chat-in-modern-warfare-2

Is there a list of game modes which are supported? I will likely be sticking to just those ones =/.

[AranchineD]

Outside? Enjoy your skin cancer, extrovert!

[fearofthesky]

FPSs on console? enjoy your slow paced ******ry!
FPS on PC? Enjoy doing more ****ing around with overclocking, patching and upgrading than actually playing!

[dinopoke]

Moriarte: Ignoring IW.net, is the PC version a direct port of the console version?
Mackey-IW: No, PC has custom stuff like mouse control, text chat in game, and graphics settings.
http://www.infinityward.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=148690&p=2720374#p2720374

Well this sure has convinced me!

[sausage]

Life? Enjoy your oxygen meatbag, I'm staying in here.

[Sweating Bullets]

PC gamers are stooged again

Modern Warfare 2 PC Multiplayer Capped At 9v9

PC gamers may find one more reason to grumble about Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2, as Infinity Ward has confirmed that the maximum number of players in the game’s multiplayer mode has taken a hit from 32 to 18.

That’s been the norm for the PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360 versions of previous entries Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare and Call of Duty: World At War, but considerably less than previous iterations for the PC. Infinity Ward’s Mackey McCandlish and Vince Zampella confirmed that 9-versus-9 multiplayer battles would be the max going forward to the chagrin of a few PC gamers already feeling burned by the switch from dedicated servers to the IW.net service.

McCandlish explained that an 18-player cap was related to “the number of players we focused on when we were balancing map size, perks, classes, challenges, etc”.

That lead to one fan venting in the Infinity Ward developer Q&A session hosted by Best Buy’s Geek Squad. “Please explain how a 9v9 match is a multiplayer experience? I’d have more fun serving lunch at a local nursing home,” complained a user named “Axen”.

Man, there’s such a fine line between Modern Warfare 2 team deathmatch and food service for invalids.


http://www.kotaku.com.au/2009/11/modern-warfare-2-pc-multiplayer-capped-at-9v9/

[AranchineD]

Yes, because 16 vs 16 on Shipment was a wonderful experience and IW should be looking to replicate that in every single sequel.

[Beinkasaurus Rex]

FPS on PC? Enjoy doing more ****ing around with overclocking, patching and upgrading than actually playing!

uhh i never had to overclock (its easy anyway), I have to patch shit up on my PS3, and I didn't upgrade in about 2-3 years and I was still playing recent games at relatively decent speeds. That argument really doesn't hold up, unless you're completely retarded in re; to computers and don't know how to perform basic functions.

In saying that, I'll be picking this up on PS3. Looking forward to it, I guess.

[Surgeon.]

PC gamers are stooged again


So many reasons not to buy MW2. Which to choose?

[sausage]

haha I've NEVER played a CoD game let alone MW so screw you corporate scum!

[Choabac]

Launch trailer is up, the game looks pretty epic. Contains spoilers, so avoid if you want to go in clean.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=429l13dS6kQ

[Stevorooni]

Damn that looks cool

[Moggo]

People are buying this all over the place in the States. Haven't heard of anything locally, but everyone keep an eye out!

[Jay]

Leave me out of the Eminem though. Urgh.

[Silverwolf]

FPS on PC? Enjoy doing more ****ing around with overclocking, patching and upgrading than actually playing!

Hahahahhaha.
hahahaha

Theres a reason for Steam, its for idiots who can't follow the simple instructions to make a game work, they buy it on steam and bam, it works.

[SOX]

Yes, because 16 vs 16 on Shipment was a wonderful experience and IW should be looking to replicate that in every single sequel.

Don't pretend to have been online

[castr8or]

Yes, because 16 vs 16 on Shipment was a wonderful experience and IW should be looking to replicate that in every single sequel.

yeah...instead of making big maps, they lower the player cap

brilliant haha

[AranchineD]

Maybe it's the fact that they give you a god damn nuke in multiplayer that they lowered the player cap. After all, when you press the button for the lulz (because EVERY multiplayer game should have a lol weapon that kills everyone on the map, HOW FUNNY) you don't instantly get 25 more frags!

What I'm basically saying here is that the multiplayer was already ruined even before announced there would be no dedicated servers, so I really don't know why everyone's getting worked up about it now.

[Jickle]

Maybe it's the fact that they give you a god damn nuke in multiplayer that they lowered the player cap. After all, when you press the button for the lulz (because EVERY multiplayer game should have a lol weapon that kills everyone on the map, HOW FUNNY) you don't instantly get 25 more frags!

What I'm basically saying here is that the multiplayer was already ruined even before announced there would be no dedicated servers, so I really don't know why everyone's getting worked up about it now.

Believe me, if someone can get 25 uninterrupted kills in a game, their team is going to win. :p The most I've ever managed is only about 13.

[Shorty]

Believe me, if someone can get 25 uninterrupted kills in a game, their team is going to win. :p The most I've ever managed is only about 13.

I think a better perk would be to just give them some bubblegum, because they're pretty much out of ass to kick. :p

[AranchineD]

Believe me, if someone can get 25 uninterrupted kills in a game, their team is going to win. :p The most I've ever managed is only about 13.

But think about the dozen or so "killstreak" bonuses that are in this game, with a little luck a shit player who flukes getting three kills in a row could then just hop from bonus to bonus and end up at the nuke, all potentially without a single ounce of skill in their body.

[Jickle]

But think about the dozen or so "killstreak" bonuses that are in this game, with a little luck a shit player who flukes getting three kills in a row could then just hop from bonus to bonus and end up at the nuke, all potentially without a single ounce of skill in their body.

It takes five kills to get the first real 'offensive' bonus. The last before the nuke comes at 15 kills. Plus only a few of the bonuses can actually kill things without your input. Nobody's going to fluke the nuke.

[DrAkyYyY]

modern warfare 2 :)

[Choabac]

It takes five kills to get the first real 'offensive' bonus. The last before the nuke comes at 15 kills. Plus only a few of the bonuses can actually kill things without your input. Nobody's going to fluke the nuke.

Also this time around the bonuses (such as copter kills) do not add to your offensive bonus kill streak score, just your overall kill streak.

So those 4 kills with the copter will not get you close to that nuke.

Just to add to the changes made from MW 1, they have also removed the command console and lean from the PC version.

No command console will also mean no record option.

[Spazzallo]

Been waiting for this game for so long and now I start my new job on the day this game is out. Such is life!

[grimace06]

I don't know what people are complaining about - the multiplayer will most probably be a rote, laggy mess with crap maps like the first game. :p

[SOX]

I don't know what people are complaining about - the multiplayer will most probably be a rote, laggy mess with crap maps like the first game. :p

-_________-

[AranchineD]

Also this time around the bonuses (such as copter kills) do not add to your offensive bonus kill streak score, just your overall kill streak.

So those 4 kills with the copter will not get you close to that nuke.

Well that's good. But there's still the matter of:

I don't know what people are complaining about - the multiplayer will most probably be a rote, laggy mess with crap maps like the first game. :p

[Spazzallo]

I hope for your sake you are playing it offline.

[Creedy]

This is one of the first games that I hope gets pirated to hell and back!!!
The way IW are treating PC gamers is beyond a joke! I mean they touting text chat as a feature for Gods sake!!!

Modern Warfare 2 really shows the massive differences between console and pc gamers. CoD4 was quite flexible on pc and it was pc gamers that got IW where they are today.
To completely turn your back on your faithful fanbase is quite disgusting.

Absolutely shocking!

arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2009/11/pc-modern-warfare-2-its-much-worse-than-you-thought.ars

[TAT]

I mean they touting text chat as a feature for Gods sake!!!
If an amazing game like Sins of a Solar Empire doesn't have text chat, then it's a ****ing feature
I don't know what people are complaining about - the multiplayer will most probably be a rote, laggy mess with crap maps like the first game. :p
FINALLY! An opinion from someone who's played MW1.

[Hyperblau]

!!!

You use too many question marks.


Anyway, I'm still not sure which platform (360 or PC), I really hate using a controller in FPS' but I dont really have that many friends playing it online on PC. I'll probably decide on the day, depends if i can find a hardened 360 version or not.

[sausage]

If an amazing game like Sins of a Solar Empire doesn't have text chat, then it's a ****ing feature



That's the second time I've seen you wank on about SoaSE and this is the second time I've replied saying I've got to get off my arse and get into this game since it's been sitting on my HD for something like 6 months or so >_<

[SOX]

Man the PC version keeps sounding worse and worse each time I read about it. Maybe it won't be as hard to avoid it as I thought (got a bunch of other games to finish first).

[Cobla]

blahFor what reason? So that PC gamers can wear smug grins and say "we won"? What will it really achieve? A more expensive CoD7??

[Cerebral]

As poorly done as the PC version sounds, I'd still prefer keyboard/mouse. Bottom line (unfortunately).

[Slippery]

How does pirating it solve anything, as far as I can tell piracy is half the reason they want more control of their servers in the first place. Can't play hacked pirate servers if you can't run them.

Not buying the game sends the message you're unhappy, pirating it can arguably send the message they should control it more.

[Hyperblau]

For what reason? So that PC gamers can wear smug grins and say "we won"? What will it really achieve? A more expensive CoD7??

So that he can continue being delusional and thinking that his boycotting will really make a difference to the massive influx of money that Activision and Infinity Ward are about to recieve.

[adam_91vn]

I hope you get banned.


He will.

[AranchineD]

When PC gamers say they're being 'betrayed', all I can think of is the way those Jewish PC gamers felt when Jesus Aran told them the Gentile console gamers were allowed to get into heaven too.

[Azzaman]

I hope they reconsider what they're doing. I was considering picking this up for multi with the Ocampo fan club, but not if it's like this...

[SOX]

Is there still a LAN multiplayer mode?

[Creedy]

For what reason? So that PC gamers can wear smug grins and say "we won"? What will it really achieve? A more expensive CoD7??

Hopefully it will make Infinity Ward realise they have completely ****ed up.
Face it, the only way PC gamers are going to see dedicated servers for Modern Warfare 2 is through a hacked exe file or something along those lines.

Why should PC gamers support something that they know they can change?
Why should PC gamers support something where the developers have treated them like absolute shit?

Seriously look at this comparison list?
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v121/Creedy/2mgqzw3.png
Surely the code is all there from MW1, all they had to do was import it into MW2.
But of course they haven't done this because they want to make sure no one can mod there game.

[sausage]

I believe the colourful list.

[SOX]

How is LAN play worse in MOD2 if they both have it? But yeah its going to set a pretty dangerous precedent for PC games...

[Cobla]

I don't deny it sucks, but piracy isn't going to help anyone.

Even if it ends up being the most pirated game this year, I don't see it changing IW's release tactics for next time. As Slippery said, the piracy of CoD4 was one of the reasons for this move in the 1st place.

Much better to use legit forms of protest cos then you might actually be taken seriously. ;)

[concrete donkey]

ah yes, damn PC users for wanting the SUPERIOR option

they must be trying to cut costs by removing parts of the game?

[AranchineD]

Hopefully it will make Infinity Ward realise they have completely ****ed up.

The way I see it, IW are saving the gaming industry. When this game does well despite all the criticisms from PC users, they'll start to get over this trait many of them have about thinking they 'own' gaming and its developers. Sure, in the short term this will mean a few more unfavorable design decisions, but that'll eventually come back to an agreeable equilibrium as it was before, save for the fact that attitudes from PC gamers will have changed drastically (and for the better).

Of course you could look at it another way; for years now PC gamers keep complaining WHERE'S THE PC EXCLUSIVES, I HATE THESE MULTIPLATFORM GAMES, DUMBING DOWN DUMBING DOWN, etc. Well, now IW will start a trend that will give you exactly what you want; they'll stop making multiplatform games for PC and consoles, they'll just make them for consoles. PC gamers can have the complete and utter segregation between PC gaming and consoles that they've wanted for so long.

[Creedy]

No, the thing that sucks is what Xbox Live has done as whole to the gaming community. All these people that play on Xbox Live have grown acustomed to P2P style gaming and think P2P is A-OK.

P2P gaming is NOT OK!
If more X360 players had actually played some games on dedicated servers and actually understood the many benefits of dedicated servers they would realise P2P gaming competitively is extremely bad.

Games on Xbox Live just can't and never will match up to what I've experienced with Counterstrike: Source, Team Fortress 2, Day of Defeat, Warhawk and Resistance.

I'm not a massive online gamer but I can sure tell the difference between P2P and dedicated.

[Hyperblau]

The only thing I learnt from about 3 years of competitive Counter Strike is that competitive gaming is lame and it should be about having fun not spending hours tweaking your system for a 5% fps boost or a better ping.

[Shorty]

It was only a matter of time before Creedy would find a way to blame it on Microsoft. :rolleyes:

[AranchineD]

It was only a matter of time before Creedy would find a way to blame it on Microsoft. :rolleyes:

My work here is done then.


EDIT: Also, just to note, there appears to be about 12-14 hours of brilliant looking single player gameplay in the game, and I don't understand why anyone would want to deny themselves that experience only because of an APPARENTLY sub-par multiplayer aspect.

[Hyperblau]

I would prefer Dedicated servers but I really dont see any point in getting all uppity about the whole thing. It's a game for crying out loud.

[tau]

It's a game for crying out loud.

hay guyz, let's not care about crappy support because hey, it's a game for crying out loud!

[Cian]

Creedy, get over it. Buy the PS3 version if you're so pissed off.