A Clean Slate

[Choabac]

You may have noticed that we have new forum guidelines. We’ve based these heavily off the existing rules over at PCPP, with some minor tweaks here and there. Please read through these.

This is a clean start both for members and moderators. All members that have been banned in the past may return to freely post on these boards (except for those blacklisted by the HAH). If your primary account is still in the db, and still banned, let us know so we can unban it.

Please note that you may only have one account at a time, if you currently have alts, please step forward and let us know. We will give you an amnesty period, so we can clean up alternate accounts.

In addition, all infractions have been lifted, including all history from the mod forums. This is a clean start everyone.

Let's move forwards, and not look backwards.

[Lazlow]

Let's be sharks people. Sharks are winners and they don't look back 'cause they don't have necks. Necks are for sheep. I am proud to be the shepherd of this herd of sharks and I am gonna lead you to the top

[AranchineD]

Choa, what about people who were IP banned? Are they allowed back or will they still be kept from the site?

[Jay]

My understanding is that it is an amnesty for everyone except people who had ripped people off in the HAH.

[UC1]

Let's move forwards, and not look backwards.

Upward, not forward, always twirling.

[bulkerking]

Yeah It's a good move IMO and also getting rid of the post hounds will only mean people will post only because they want to and NOT to see there numbers go up. Thought there's still a subtitle so people could use that the see what bracket there in but meh it's a good balance :)
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[Choabac]

Choa, what about people who were IP banned? Are they allowed back or will they still be kept from the site?

Ah good point.

I've cleared the IP ban list.

[Lazlow]

people will post only because they want to and NOT to see there numbers go up

Don't think anyone actually does that.

[dinopoke]

I wish I could pep you for this, Choabac. >__>

[Choabac]

Leave a message on my profile. :)

[Space_Monkey]

Back online!

Whilst Hyper was down I had nothing but *shudder* FaceBook to keep me amused.

[IRS]

Hahahah! Vindik8or is finally free!


This is really good news, and gives this forum a fighting chance. IT ALMOST MAKES ME WANT TO GO POST IN THE GAMING SECTION.

[JubeiSaotome]

No rep, AWESOME

[Choabac]

I just went through the ban list and lifted the ban on some more primary accounts.

If have you tried to log in and you were still banned, check again to see if your primary account ban has been lifted.

If not, contact us to let us know.

[Laveidem]

I'm the alternate account of Choabac.

Other than that new rules and guidelines are great! Let's hope the Hyper forams remain a peaceful and loving place for many years.

[Choabac]

Posing as an admin is not allowed man. :)

[Surgeon.]

Not that it really matters, but my original 'surgeon' account is still blocked while my second '-surgeon-' account is now active.

Actually, should probably just delete those two accounts.

[Spudzilla]

With this clean slate and another mass mod exoddus, I can finally step up as a mod and pull this forum out of the tar pit it got itself stuck in since 2007.

[Lazlow]

So FrozenSoul80 has been over at UYAC pushing this clean slate pretty hard in the hope to do away with the "Us vs Them" mentality. And its something I gave some thought to.

But unfortunately, because its not a completely clean slate, its a hard sale.

The mod forum and posts within were made public prior to this reboot, and today I decided to check it out.

It was quite an eye opener to see the mod's opinions on myself and other users from behind the veil of secrecy that was the mod forum. Partially because some opinions were way off (for one, you took stuff posted at UYAC/MJ waaaay too seriously ie, Sloppy's thread re: the girl he was after), but other times because it put my actions in another light, and tbh I was disappointed in myself.

But from reading it all (and with 4 archived threads, and 121 images of posts, including Aub's immense Vin banning story, it wasn't a quick read) the thing that resonated throughout was an immense double standard.

Its no secret that several mods/admins lurked MJ. But while in one hand you guys were critical of MJ being so full of hate and personal attacks towards Hyper mods/admins/memebrs, you were very much guilty of the same behaviour with many personal attacks towards myself, vin, texta, IRS, TAT, javer, Sloppy, etc, etc, etc. Starscream even gave it his own nickname "MoronJunction"; how can you take the moral high ground if you are going to resort to the same petty namecalling that we are guilty of? If that section was public it would be ream of deleted posts and infractions for bullying and personal insults.

It was a vicious cycle that everyone was party to. Us vs Them.

And this is why I find this "clean slate" a hard sale as I find it hard to believe these attitudes will suddenly disappear. Will UYAC'ers/MJ'ers) still be looked down upon in contempt?

UYAC poses as a great comapnion to Hyper, in the sense that its an 15+/18+ sub-section of Hyper. All the fun and hijinks that used to be a great part of Hyper many moons ago, can be freely expressed there with some of the same members, without resulting in aggrevating this community and the magazine itself, who don't share the same taste.

I'm willing to give this clean slate a try, but I remain very dubious while some of the old guard is still in place.

[FX-GTZ]

No rep, AWESOME

I agree with this guy, but there is still only 11 smilies.

[Bronze]

With this clean slate and another mass mod exoddus, I can finally step up as a mod and pull this forum out of the tar pit it got itself stuck in since 2007.

Funnily enough, I remember you being seriously considered at one point. ;)

[FrozenSoul80]

I'm willing to give this clean slate a try, but I remain very dubious while some of the old guard is still in place.

Most of the older mods are going to be retiring some time soon, they are just with us to help some of us replacements to get settled. The mod guidelines have been overhauled, if an us vs them mentality develops it will be quickly attended to.

But like I've said before, this can't be one-sided. The members will have to help, this change must happen on both sides of the fence if it is to work.

I must say, I'm actually pretty proud of most of you. Most of you have ditched the immaturity almost instantly, and that is to be congratulated.

[Lazlow]

Give me a few beers, it'll be back :p

[Spudzilla]

Funnily enough, I remember you being seriously considered at one point. ;)

And look at where that lack of making gutsy decisions has gotten us!

[IRS]

Most of the older mods are going to be retiring some time soon, they are just with us to help some of us replacements to get settled. The mod guidelines have been overhauled, if an us vs them mentality develops it will be quickly attended to.

But like I've said before, this can't be one-sided. The members will have to help, this change must happen on both sides of the fence if it is to work.

I must say, I'm actually pretty proud of most of you. Most of you have ditched the immaturity almost instantly, and that is to be congratulated.

You post on UYAC, should be no surprise to you.

When the mod forum was leaked. Most the mods came off pretty well, except for 2. Everybody knows the 2 so I won't bother to mention names. They are responsible for about 90% of the mods bad reputation, and a major sticking point for a good relationship between mods and members.


Now am I right in saying all the good old mods are stepping down but those 2 are staying? Because it looks that way.

[Spudzilla]

C'mon FS, give us some juicy previews for what's to develop in the next few weeks.

[IRS]

I should mention. I thought the whole mod team were a ridiculous secret adventure club. But after seeing the mods forum it opened my eyes a little. MOST (but not all) the time they were fair, except for a certain couple of trouble makers who pushed their personal vendettas over and over and over and over and over. Along with name calling and garbage that would make MightyJustice blush with embarrassment.

It appeared worse than it was because of mods being reluctant to disagree in public. But dudes like Chalkfacedgoon are champions. New mods are cool also.

[Laveidem]

A good mod needs to be like this book.


http://www.arts.auckland.ac.nz/images/cms/HISTORY/Abbenhuis_ArtofStayingNeutral.JPG

[Bronze]

C'mon FS, give us some juicy previews for what's to develop in the next few weeks.

Intrigue!

Murder!

Maids!

...and more!

[Second]

I'm back, but only for the Bronze.

[JubeiSaotome]

The question is, can we think of a replacement of Adopt-a-noob that's mature and a good way to get new posters in, without looking like 14 year olds playing family?

[Second]

Abuse-a-noob?

[mcfustin]

Rub-a-nub?

[AranchineD]

In Soviet Russia noob adopts you?

[Watchers]

Death to new members?

[JimmyKane]

The thread of alienate and general hazing?

[Stevorooni]

The Leg Up Thread

[Lazlow]

The Leg Up Thread


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[Blue]

I agree with this guy, but there is still only 11 smilies.There are still only 11 smilies, you moron.

'Reply' is the new 'nep'.

[FX-GTZ]

There are still only 11 smilies, you moron.
Whats with the sudden attack? Also, "are" just sounds stupid, because there currently IS only 11 smilies.

[fishfishmonkeyhat]

Blue is posting here again.

[BB2K]

There are still only 11 smilies.

[Spudzilla]

http://uyac.com.au/forum/images/smilies/bizarro.gif

[JimmyKane]

Aaaaaaan we're back to FX-GTZ hating. It's bad grammar hur

[Spudzilla]

Didn't take long.

[Manny M]

Let's be sharks people. Sharks are winners and they don't look back 'cause they don't have necks. Necks are for sheep. I am proud to be the shepherd of this herd of sharks and I am gonna lead you to the top

First post so far where i've missed having the rep system.

Now while I understand why it was removed, any chance we can look into some sort of post comment/approval system, where if you like/appreciate or even dislike/disagree with an individual post, you can give it a simple 'thumbs up' or 'thumbs down'?

While I didn't care much for pep totals and the system itself, writing a comment or just giving a positive response to a user for a post they made was something I really liked about the pep system.

[AranchineD]

Just use the visitor message thing, link the post you liked, and write a comment/post image for pep icon/post image for nep icon

Sure, it's needlessly complex and time consuming, but this is new Hyper!



Or maybe I am just too attached and can't let go of rep.

[Ryan Hayward]

Thankyou for the fresh start, I've been waiting for this day for such a long time now.

[Second]

Don't do a bowie.

[Ryan Hayward]

Oh god, has he already got himself banned again?

[Spudzilla]

No, he came back and started posting.

Please don't do a bowie

[Second]

Oh god, has he already got himself banned again?

Yep.



Clean slate, Spud! <_<

[Spudzilla]

I.. don't even know who Ryan Hayward is.

[FrozenSoul80]

I.. don't even know who Ryan Hayward is.

He never actually existed, it was all a mod conspiracy.

[AranchineD]

Ryan Hayward is Tonez

[Flaps]

I agree with this guy, but there is still only 11 smilies.
yeah can we have more smilies?

[dinopoke]

Thankyou for the fresh start, I've been waiting for this day for such a long time now.

A tad late to the party. >___>

[Ryan Hayward]

A tad late to the party. >___>

You could have sent me a private message on pcpp, mate! :o
I very rarely check these forums....

[dinopoke]

I wasn't sure if you wanted to come back!

[aubergine]

First post so far where i've missed having the rep system.

Now while I understand why it was removed, any chance we can look into some sort of post comment/approval system, where if you like/appreciate or even dislike/disagree with an individual post, you can give it a simple 'thumbs up' or 'thumbs down'?

While I didn't care much for pep totals and the system itself, writing a comment or just giving a positive response to a user for a post they made was something I really liked about the pep system.

Perhaps if people like a post they can just do what you just did, quote the post and say "I like this post, let's have some more of that kind of post."

Unlike the previous rep system, if people are quoting posts and going "I hate this post and curse the poster to an eternity of unwelcome razor sodomy" the mods can pick up on it quickly and delete / discipline / whatever rather than finding out about it after it's been going on for 6 months via a semi-private messaging system.

[texta]

And then every thread is derailed into some post modern self reflective wank. If you want people to spam more then just say so.

[dinopoke]

I thought rep abuse victims would just report it as soon as possible?

[aubergine]

And then every thread is derailed into some post modern self reflective wank. If you want people to spam more then just say so.
Razor blades. Eternity.

On topic, I think the Clean Slate idea is a nice dream but,

[Second]

Butt,

[TAT]

Razor blades. Eternity.

On topic, I think the Clean Slate idea is a nice dream but,
texta is totally right, though.

You have a massive paragraph in the guidelines prohibiting spamming, but we all know that the rep system was a way to keep shit and useless one-word posts out of threads:

Spamming
Posts which add little to the discussion – whether they are irrelevant to the topic at hand, or add little to the discussion at hand (such as “I agree” or “lol”) – are not allowed. Spamming is not as strictly enforced in the Off Topic section; however this is not a green light to post the first thing that comes to your mind.

Before posting, you should ask yourself, “Is what I’m about to post informative, interesting, or making a solid contribution to the discussion in any way?” If it isn’t, please don’t post. Another rule of thumb that is often suggested is that if your post is less than a line or two long (at a standard window size), you're not adding enough to the discussion. Obviously there are valid exceptions, but more often than not if you can only think of a few words to post, it's not going to be worth posting at all.

Additionally, “In before lock” comments (or any comments to that effect) are not allowed, and will automatically result in a penalty being handed out. Similarly, continual abuse of the report post function is also not allowed. This function is there to report legitimate issues that arise on the boards.

[aubergine]

texta is totally right, though.

You have an example of the exact kind of post you are talking about right there. "texta is right" "I agree" "good post"

Yet you've also gone on to expand on the post topic with additional material explaining why you think you're right.

Is your post "I agree" spam? Or is it saved from that simply by being longer than that?

It's a fairly ridiculous distinction anyway. In a situation where I want to pep-post something (from before the pep system was introduced) I'd tend to do that, quote the post with "this is awesome", but then also put my OWN contribution to the thread into it too.

Like this:

texta is totally right, though.I agree!

On the same topic, I feel that Goering was misunderstood - yes they can bandy words like "Immoral" and "genocide" but as I think texta will agree, when you examine the policies of the man why he's a positive delight! And I expect an absolute hoot at dinner parties!

Guidelines on spam only need to be adhered to when it is getting out of hand, and there is going to be disagreement about the interpretation of that. As you may know, I don't recall ever being offended by someone saying "great post" but certainly have been by "shit post."

[Second]

8=w=D

[Spudzilla]

i lol'd

[TAT]

LSX proved that spam can come in many forms...

[TAT]

It's a fairly ridiculous distinction anyway. In a situation where I want to pep-post something (from before the pep system was introduced) I'd tend to do that, quote the post with "this is awesome", but then also put my OWN contribution to the thread into it too.
you are welcome to ignore the fact that rep has been canned because of FX-GTZs idiotic complaining, and that the rep system, while flawed, kept many spam posts out of threads

[Fenrir]

LSX proved that spam can come in many forms...
LXS, newbie; and their antics probably wouldn't classify as spam in the Hyper of today.

[TAT]

D'oh.

[Second]

Reminds me of the time I wrote Telsa instead of Tesla and Beast felt the need to nep me.

[AranchineD]

Geez TAT, that's almost as bad as if you were to say Ken Brockman or something.

[Fenrir]

I do admit, I probably would have nepped TAT for that slip-up.

[TAT]

stop trying to nep me and nep me

EDIT:

oh god what the **** is with your caps filter. shit me

[jawsy]

LXS, newbie; and their antics probably wouldn't classify as spam in the Hyper of today.

Our spam was classy!

[AranchineD]

Their spam was spam disguised as real content.

It was genius, and they were absolute pioneers in their field.

[aubergine]

Their spam was spam disguised as real content.

It was genius, and they were absolute pioneers in their field.

Your spam is always obviously that but as a mod I found it enjoyable.

[IRS]

You have an example of the exact kind of post you are talking about right there. "texta is right" "I agree" "good post"

Yet you've also gone on to expand on the post topic with additional material explaining why you think you're right.

Is your post "I agree" spam? Or is it saved from that simply by being longer than that?

It's a fairly ridiculous distinction anyway. In a situation where I want to pep-post something (from before the pep system was introduced) I'd tend to do that, quote the post with "this is awesome", but then also put my OWN contribution to the thread into it too.

Like this:



Guidelines on spam only need to be adhered to when it is getting out of hand, and there is going to be disagreement about the interpretation of that. As you may know, I don't recall ever being offended by someone saying "great post" but certainly have been by "shit post."

This is me nepping you on the new Hyper

[aubergine]

Still carries all the weight of a mosquito farting up a fat persons arse in "revenge" while it feeds off the fecund cells and blames someone else for it's situation.

[Second]

8=m=D

[SOX]

Is the m supposed to be fingers?

[Second]

8=w=D

[Jay]

Teeth?

[aubergine]

It's got me puzzled, just some random spam?

[TAT]

It's got me puzzled, just some random spam?
Ok, so now try and argue that the previous 12 posts wouldn't have been better off passed back and forth as rep

[FrozenSoul80]

Ok, so now try and argue that the previous 12 posts wouldn't have been better off passed back and forth as rep

It would have been, but it's gone now. I am a big fan of rep, but it had to go. People were taking it far too seriously.

[aubergine]

No one who doesn't want to read this garbage has to. With today's storage limits the original reasons for "spam" being bad are completely irrelevant - it's kind of like how one day someone realised that game development only include "death" and "continues" because of the original arcade-business plan of stealing quarters from kids.

From a website moderating point of view it's far better for this to be out here than passing back and forth behind the scenes like shivs in prison.

[Fenrir]

it's kind of like how one day someone realised that game development only include "death" and "continues" because of the original arcade-business plan of stealing quarters from kids
Continues and lives, mayhaps; death is still a valid subset of challenge, though, which is still important in most gaming experiences, and a reasonable compromise between permadeath and penalty-less respawn normally needs to be reached to enforce challenge with consequence.

[AranchineD]

Your spam is always obviously that but as a mod I found it enjoyable.

Well obviously you didn't know that or you would have deleted a lot more of my posts and handed me many more infractions!

I mean, I had to make a few obvious attempts at spamming to make you think you were actually cracking down on me and stopping me from going against the guidelines, but that was just a ruse, really.

[Stevorooni]

I like to think that AranchineD's posting strategy is all one big long con and 3 years from now he'll disappear with all of our wallets.

[AranchineD]

Wouldn't be far from the truth, actually...




:cool:

[AranchineD]

WALLET INSPECTOR!l

[FrozenSoul80]

Please don't call me a star, I have enough ego issues as it is.

[AranchineD]

I don't think they've censored ookie over here though.

Hyper 1 - UYAC 48 :D

[AranchineD]

http://www.hyper.com.au/forums/images/reputation/reputation_pos.gif

Just because rep is disabled doesn't mean the images still aren't there!