Thread of Guitar Hero and general complaining about Activision

[Second]

Holy shit, I just found Hyperspeed in Gh5 . I like how it's included by default now. Awesome fun.

[AranchineD]

To everyone who kept saying "OH GUITAR HERO SHOULD BE MORE LIKE ROCK BAND": a big **** you. No doubt because in Rock Band the cymbal sometimes goes on the green note, when using a RB kit with GH5 instead of all the orange notes turning into blue ones like they did in the previous games and had absolutely nothing wrong with it whatsover, all the orange ones now turn into green notes.

Which makes drumming on some songs when using a RB kit about a hundred times more tiring than it needs to be, not to mention it just generally feels stupid.

Guitar's pretty good though!

[Blue]

If GH was more like RB, it would have 4 pads instead of 5, and there would be no problem.

So … Maybe GH should be more like RB.

[AranchineD]

Look, I'll be honest, the thing I dislike about GH5 the most is that it's trying too much to be like Rock Band.

Guitar Hero, bring back all the gaminess and loud noises and shiny things,it's why I loved you in the first place. Don't listen to the wankers who keep telling you to be a "pure music experience" or some bullshit.


Also I really don't like the new career mode, what was wrong with having a separate career for each instrument? It at least meant I'd play through every song once on each instrument just to finish the career, and maybe find a few songs that will surprise me and I'll actually like on a particular instrument, but now I really don't have any motivation for that anymore.

[Spazzallo]

I liked the new career mode mainly because you only had to play a few horrible songs only once. If I had to do that Wolfmother song 5 times (4 with instruments once with a band) I think I'd go crazy!

[AranchineD]

Yeah, but sometimes even if the song isn't that good one of its instruments might be fun to play which you'd only discover by accident when going through each of the careers.

That said any complaints I could possibly have with the game are made for by the final 2-3 venues of Career, almost every song is ****ing awesome!


EDIT: Except Brianstorm is phyiscally impossible to play on the RB kit. Damn shit crap, I don't care if it depltes half my bank account, I need those Logitech drums.

[Halt, Hammerzeit]

I've been playing this for about a week now and I'm enjoying it a lot more than WT. I'm playing through on hard and the songs seem more fun than WT. There's a couple of times where my arm gets really sore (Dancing With Myself was one of them)

[AranchineD]

I've actually found even though I might not like all the songs, they've gone and put enjoyable charts to most of them so that's pretty cool (and some songs I thought I wouldn't like I ended up enjoying, so there you go).

Also I just noticed that when you boot the game up and the song starts playing that you can just join in right there and then, so you can just randomly play songs without even having to see a menu, which I thought I was kinda neat.

[REQUIEM]

I just grabbed GH5 yesterday and so far Im liking most of the track list.. There are some real stinkers though IMO.

[Sytadel]

Look, I'll be honest, the thing I dislike about GH5 the most is that it's trying too much to be like Rock Band.

I didn't get that sense at all - to me GH5 is just like a refined WT. Above all else it retains the generous timing window and OTT charts that make you feel like a wickedbad rockstar; not counting the very sort of cliche rock UI, characters, and feel.

The charts above all else are very distinctly Guitar Hero. Even dead simple songs work in awkward HO/PO patterns, strumming during sustains, and so on. Given a lot of the songs would be pretty *****in boring if authentic representations, i'm happy to see this.

[Halt, Hammerzeit]

I just like the fact that four people can play the same instrument if they want.

[AranchineD]

I didn't get that sense at all - to me GH5 is just like a refined WT. Above all else it retains the generous timing window and OTT charts that make you feel like a wickedbad rockstar; not counting the very sort of cliche rock UI, characters, and feel.

The charts above all else are very distinctly Guitar Hero. Even dead simple songs work in awkward HO/PO patterns, strumming during sustains, and so on. Given a lot of the songs would be pretty *****in boring if authentic representations, i'm happy to see this.

See, I thought they tuned down the charting quite a bit, and you can see they tried to make the UI all 'neat' and 'streamlined' like Rock Band, which now that I've had some time with it I can say I actually prefer how it was in GH: Metallica.

Maybe it's just little things but it is the impression I get.

[Spudzilla]

As I expected, 21st Century Schizoid Man is awesome on all instruments.

[Stevorooni]

So I tried the demo of Band Hero on 360

Talk about oversaturating your market, what's with the rebranding when it's just Guitar Hero: Shit Music Edition?
Should have been left as DLC

[JubeiSaotome]

It's the family friendly version to compete wit Lego Rock Band.

[AranchineD]

Band Hero also appears to be coming here with what I thought were the GH5 drums, but apparently were Band Hero drums.

Either way, I want this drum kit.

[Spazzallo]

Which guitar is better, the GH3 guitar or GH4 guitar? Just ordered GH3 and I now have one extra guitar which I will be selling off to a family member.

[JubeiSaotome]

So where on earth did they move the content transfer license DLC for PS3 GHWT/5/BH? I have the DLC one, but not the GHWT one, can't find it anywhere on the PSN Store anymore. :(

[Zzz]

Which guitar is better, the GH3 guitar or GH4 guitar? Just ordered GH3 and I now have one extra guitar which I will be selling off to a family member.

Hang on to the GH:WT guitar - it's the better one by far.

[Spazzallo]

Cheers :). My cousin had GH3 on the Wii anyway so I'm sure he'll be used to the older one when I give him this one.

[Cobla]

So where on earth did they move the content transfer license DLC for PS3 GHWT/5/BH? I have the DLC one, but not the GHWT one, can't find it anywhere on the PSN Store anymore. :(I don't know about PS3 but on 360 you can only find it inside the menus of GH5. I can't remember exactly which menu option, but it was like 'options' or 'extras' or something, and 'import content' is in there. Anyway only after putting in a valid code does it ask for money IIRC.

[JubeiSaotome]

Ah okay, yeah, I had a look around the internet. When it first came out, it had them as DLC on the PSN Store, but I guess they streamlined it into the game. Cheers, though.

[Jabbz]

I've decided to get my drum kit out and have discovered my utter crapness. Any hints as to how to drum more effectively?

[AranchineD]

Well first off check out this

http://rockband.scorehero.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2164

It's a little complex but it helps to just get in your head all the different ways that you can actually drum

Also,

http://www.scorehero.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=78

There's a couple (dozen) threads there that might be of use to you.

[Stevorooni]

Hit the correct drum pads in time with their coloured notes on screen and you should do pretty good.

I'm just here to help.

[Lex]

Learn to recognize beats, that way you barely have to look at the screen.

[TimmyJ]

I suck at drumming, so I'm just sticking with guitar..

[jawsy]

I found that removing my shorts and playing in my undies helped with drumming.

Seriously.

[Halt, Hammerzeit]

Do you play only Red Hot Chili Peppers tracks :p

My housemate bought a pretty decent electronic drum kit, so I'm going to try and make the transition from video game to real life drums.

[TimmyJ]

Awesome

[AranchineD]

jawsy just plays the bass pedal with his dick

[Azzaman]

Do you play only Red Hot Chili Peppers tracks :p

My housemate bought a pretty decent electronic drum kit, so I'm going to try and make the transition from video game to real life drums.

Is there a Blink182 track?:eek:

[Pai Mel]

Wouldn't mind one of those midi percussion/sample pads. I think I'd be a much better percussionist with my fingers, rather than two sticks.

[TimmyJ]

jawsy just plays the bass pedal with his dick

I could see Queens Of The Stone Age digging that.
They had a former member taken into custody for playing his guitar on stage. In the nude.:p

[StorminNorman]

Activision closes RedOctane and Underground Development. (http://kotaku.com/5470149/activision-shutters-guitar-hero-creators-gh-van-halen-developers)

[Azzaman]

.....yay?

[Jabbz]

Hmmm, Band Hero or a rock band? Whats better? I feel like some different tunes, and am a spaz when it comes to playing though :(

[TimmyJ]

I think the band hero setlist is mainly like a mainstream pop/rock kind of thing, whereas rock band has a diverse setlist and loads of dlc. I'd go rock band all the way.

[Munky]

Import RB 2 and export the RB 1 tracklist and ACDC.

Then go nuts with DLC

I'm at 230 songs and counting...

[TimmyJ]

Yeah RB is awesome.
I haven't actually played guitar hero for months it's been all rock band for me.

[Halt, Hammerzeit]

Hmmm, Band Hero or a rock band? Whats better? I feel like some different tunes, and am a spaz when it comes to playing though :(

Go RB. Import RB2, then use EB Games's 7 day return policy to get the tracks from RB1, AC/DC RB and Lego RB (You can't download Beatles RB tracks, unfortunately) and take the games back.

[jawsy]

Okay, Strung Out and Bad Brains confirmed for GH:WoR.

I'm in.

[AranchineD]

I was going to get it anyway, but that is good news.

[jawsy]

Yeah, I was already in but now you could say I am both 'in' and 'smiling'.

[Second]

If you get my meaning.

[aubergine]

A predictable yet still satisfying article on the decline of Guitar Hero.

Now there's just WoW and CoD to get rid of. Mwa ha ha ha!

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2010-10-15-guitar-hero-series-in-trouble

[freeradical]

Yeah, no real suprise there. Should just leave it to DLC now.

[AranchineD]

Typical, the best title to date and no-one buys it.

Well I don't give a shit, I bought it and am happy with it. Maybe this will mean that instead of pandering to the f***** casuals who ruined the music rhythm genre in the first place with their incessant TOO HARD I WANT SHITTY LIGHT AND INDIE ROCK whining, these games can get back to being fun and enjoyable to play.

[Jay]

Yes, with a bunch of songs that range from obscure metal no one gives a shit about to obscure metal no one can ****ing listen to sober. Brilliant. :p

Needs more Placebo.

[Gunblade89]

Holy crap, i didn't even realize GH6 was coming out...
I got addicted to GH3 on PS2, and played abit of World Tour on 360 but i'm pretty much over the games by now

[fishfishmonkeyhat]

Jesus they made a sixth one?

[AranchineD]

Yes, with a bunch of songs that range from obscure metal no one gives a shit about to obscure metal no one can ****ing listen to sober. Brilliant. :p

Well I'm glad people who only played the third game think themselves in any way fit to comment on the series.

[AranchineD]

And that was still the second best title in the series.

[Natrak]

Guitar Hero 2 will always be the best title in the series.

[AranchineD]

I always did like you, boy.

[Jay]

I was always hoping for the better songs from the first game to appear as DLC, but to no avail. I want my Ziggy Stardust dammit!

BTW Aran, what makes you think I only played the 3rd game? Or are you just being an elitist wanker again?

[AranchineD]

Well only someone who's never actually watched the Itchy & Scratchy Movie would make a comment like that.

[Allick]

Guitar Hero 3 was the last great Guitar Hero game IMO.

[Vindik8or]

"I absolutely do not believe that rhythm-action gaming has reached its peak."

rhythm-action gaming

rhythm-action

WTF?

[FrozenSoul80]

rhythm-action gaming

rhythm-action

WTF?

You play a cord, shit blows up.

[AranchineD]

cord

http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/5696/thesimpsons222bloodfeud.jpg

[FrozenSoul80]

****in' homophones >_<

[Natrak]

You're a homophone

[Jay]

The homophonic attitude on these boards is disgraceful. ****ing gaylords.

[Stevorooni]

The guitar looks stupid. Also I have no idea what's on the tracklist.

But I'm probably not going to get it until I see it going for $20 or something, I already have 8 band games in my game pile.

[Lazlow]

Yes, with a bunch of songs that range from obscure metal no one gives a shit about to obscure metal no one can ****ing listen to sober. Brilliant. :p

Needs more Placebo.

Christ, what a wimp.

[AranchineD]

Also I have no idea what's on the tracklist.

2112

THat's all you need to know

[VanAce]

This will either be the death of the series or it will be a slap in the face to Activision's need to pump out the same game this time ever year. I think they should focus on DLC like someone mentioned earlier and if they will are going to release a Guitar Hero 7 maybe wait 18 months - two years before releasing another one. At least this way there wont be so much saturation in the market and people might care about it again.

[fishfishmonkeyhat]

2112

THat's all you need to know

That's a pretty big set list. There has to be something good in there!

[grimace06]

2112

THat's all you need to know

Hell yeah.

I've heard you can only play it part by part and not straight through - is this true.

[fishfishmonkeyhat]

Well think how many hours of music that is!

[Spudzilla]

Yes, with a bunch of songs that range from obscure metal no one gives a shit about to obscure metal no one can ****ing listen to sober. Brilliant. :p

Needs more Placebo.

Jay tries 2112 on Easy

http://i480.photobucket.com/albums/rr168/DartAran/Marge%20In%20Chains/margeinchains5.jpg

[FF Freak]

Hell yeah.

I've heard you can only play it part by part and not straight through - is this true.

The quest mode stage for it allows you to play it pretty much straight through but in quickplay it's only parts.

[JubeiSaotome]

Hey Aub, WoW isn't actually an Activision developed game and shows no sign of slowing down either.

[igotnewsuper8systemWRONG!]

Guitar Hero 2 will always be the best title in the series.

It's a lot like the Tony Hawk series in that regard, looking forward to the Guitar Hero equivalent of Ride.

[fishfishmonkeyhat]

Ride was the Guitar Hero equivalent of Tony Hawk.

[Rambo]

Well I'm enjoying the setlist too!

Stuck on that Megadeath song when you've already got all the warriors on drums on expert +.

In saying that I've only tried half assed twice cos my gf was over and complaining.

[SOX]

Stick a finger in for me

[Rambo]

What the ****, you weirdo.


























:)

[aubergine]

Hey Aub, WoW isn't actually an Activision developed game and shows no sign of slowing down either.

Kind of an oblique reference to EA's recent retort that Kotick only has 3 reliable IPs and he's raped two of them. If Activision lost its native two you never know, Blizzard may say "later, losers."

[Jickle]

2112 is ****ing awesome. Easily the best part of this game so far.

Having said that, I'm not a fan of the Quest Mode. I don't like 100%-ing a song and having nothing to show for it. But you need to play through it to unlock a lot of the songs, which is a pain.

[Spudzilla]

They should just get it over with and release an all-Rush Guitar Hero

[Shorty]

Just folded this thread into the main GH thread.

They should just get it over with and release an all-Rush Guitar Hero

I can get behind this idea.

Anyway, I don't think the GH series stagnated because they stopped catering to the Super Hardcore Cyborg Arm Score Hero crowd. It's because subsequent games haven't really added anything to the franchise that would be worth another full game. World Tour at least added the full band but by that point they were just following the leader (except in Australia, where MTV Games kindly let Activision have the market mostly all to themselves) and since then it's been a couple of single-band games, the all-over-the-map GH5 and this new one with, what, Guitar Hero: Brutal Legend? Clearly, this yearly development cycle hasn't exactly done the franchise any favours.

[Shorty]

Activision cancels Guitar Hero franchise. (http://www.gamepro.com/article/news/218158/activision-cancels-guitar-hero-franchise-true-crime/) They'll continue to release DLC but there'll be no new games. DJ Hero and True Crime were also canned.

[Lazlow]

You forgot to mention Tony Hawk (http://hyper.com.au/forums/showthread.php?t=21726)

[VanAce]

Apart from COD and licenced games don't know what they will release this year. Especially as the Blizzard side doesn't plan on releasing anything this year.

[Rambo]

Really? Diablo 3 is 2012?

[VanAce]

That's what they have been saying. Blizzard are apparently going to have 2 releases in 2012. One will have to be Diablo 3 the other most likely a WoW expansion.

[dinopoke]

http://www.joystiq.com/2011/02/09/activision-at-least-two-blizzard-titles-coming-by-2012-diablo/

[Sytadel]

Activision cancels Guitar Hero franchise. (http://www.gamepro.com/article/news/218158/activision-cancels-guitar-hero-franchise-true-crime/) They'll continue to release DLC but there'll be no new games. DJ Hero and True Crime were also canned.

I'm probably going to be unpopular when I say this, but I wonder how much life the genre actually has left in it. I think Rock Band has a bit longer but not much. As a single-player game, it's bound to be exhaustive whatever your skill level - anyone who plays long enough eventually reaches a plateau; they get as good as they want to get. You can't sell a new game because it's got 180bpm triplets instead of 160bpm triplets.

The problem is that the only real version of "harder" that a 5-button instrument possesses is faster. Rock Band broke away from this somewhat with pro modes, but they suffer in that they're much too hard for casuals, yet still much too easy to substitute learning an instrument properly.

I think that the games can persist for their party value, but solo gamers will get sick of a narrow genre very quickly in most cases.

[AranchineD]

I think that the games can persist for their party value, but solo gamers will get sick of a narrow genre very quickly in most cases.

DDR proves you wrong

[Shorty]

Did DDR get the same amount of mainstream exposure and hype that GH did?

[Sytadel]

It's also a social/arcade game. Who plays DDR by themselves alone at home?

[AranchineD]

Did DDR get the same amount of mainstream exposure and hype that GH did?

Irrelevant.

It's also a social/arcade game. Who plays DDR by themselves alone at home?

Also irrelevant. You'll find plenty of people play it both at home, and in arcades, purely for their own challenge. In fact that's primarily why each successive game does keep including new difficulty levels and faster songs, and people keep beating them.

[Sytadel]

As you've provided an example contrary to my general rule, I change my opinion and now believe that music games could indeed survive for many more years.

Thankyou, Rational Argument Man!

[Shorty]

Irrelevant.

So GH would have become "played out" if nobody had paid any attention to it over the years?

[AranchineD]

A general rule that applies to one specific example and isn't even proven is hardly a 'general rule'.

[AranchineD]

So GH would have become "played out" if nobody had paid any attention to it over the years?

Many people play DDR, as I've already said, unless you don't think asians count as 'people

[Shorty]

Many people play DDR, as I've already said, unless you don't think asians count as 'people

That's still not the same level of widespread mainstream Western exposure that GH had.

[AranchineD]

And once again, that point is irrelevant, and I don't know why you keep bringing it up.

[Shorty]

Because maybe DDR's lack of mainstream exposure has prevented it from dropping in popularity like GH did? That's my point - if DDR had followed the same path as GH did, the headline would read "Activision cancels Dance Dance Revolution" instead of "Activision cancels Guitar Hero".

[dinopoke]

I think the main problem was not that the GH games lacked any long-term depth, it was more that fact that Activision made so many games in such little time. This type of approach usually only works in the arcade (notice how many variations of DDR there are and how popular it still is) because the low cost entry fee for players. With consoles. you'll have shell out full price for each iteration and given that your average player won't appreciate the changes each increment makes, buy the latest version won't seem as appealing.

[AranchineD]

Because maybe DDR's lack of mainstream exposure has prevented it from dropping in popularity like GH did? That's my point - if DDR had followed the same path as GH did, the headline would read "Activision cancels Dance Dance Revolution" instead of "Activision cancels Guitar Hero".

That's...not what we were talking about at all.

[Rambo]

I think a huge thing is that asians are wicked at DDR. The reasons why they're retardishly good is unbeknown to me, but the reason DDR hasn't died is because it combines music they love with challenge that compels them I suppose.

Guitar Hero on the other hand isn't their music, and only really appeals to the western regions. I'm sure if you put Jpop on it (not sure how that would go down) the sales would be much bigger in Asian countries. Where as western countries they're a select few people that still play GH for the difficulty (myself and Aran included), which IMO is the only fun I get out of it.

EDIT: Re reading that it doesn't make a lot of sense. I just hope people understand what I mean :\

[Shorty]

That's...not what we were talking about at all.

Fair point. Must have misinterpreted the original post.

You're probably right about DDR still being viable as a solo game after so many years in development, but a large part of GH's mainstream success was the social aspect and that's the market it's been slowly losing over at least the last couple of years. It may still carry on through DLC or whatnot, but its days as a license to print money are probably long gone (they would have been once enough people had bought enough fake plastic instruments). Which, now that I think of it, is probably why Activision's bailing on it.

[VanAce]

Guitar Hero on the other hand isn't their music, and only really appeals to the western regions. I'm sure if you put Jpop on it (not sure how that would go down) the sales would be much bigger in Asian countries. Where as western countries they're a select few people that still play GH for the difficulty (myself and Aran included), which IMO is the only fun I get out of it.

The Japanese equivalent is Guitar Freaks (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guitar_Freaks)

[Spazzola]

You'll find plenty of people play it both at home, and in arcades, purely for their own challenge. In fact that's primarily why each successive game does keep including new difficulty levels and faster songs, and people keep beating them.

Not being a DDR player, I have no idea about the difficulty increase over each title. But assuming DDR does infact get more challenging, or have the option to further increase the difficulty, then it's already far different from GH.

GH kept trying to appeal to a broad market and thus, it had to maintain a similar difficulty overall. If each title became increasingly more challenging, then the core would be satisfied. Most people I know who began with GH 1 or 2 are now glad to see the series die, simply because after 3 there was simply no challenge or the music was not to their taste.

Looking back, I'm trying to remember what I was trying to say. The core players are the ones who'll continue to purchase each title, in the hope that they'll be getting an enjoyable and engaging/challenging experience. The casual market, on the other hand, may purchase one title for parties and at most hit medium. For those who crave challenge on hard and expert, the games quickly became boring. Hell, look at WT or 5.

I'd say trying to compare DDR and GH in terms of mainstream exposure is indeed irrelevant; the only comparison is how each series catered to it's core buyers.

[AranchineD]

Most people I know who began with GH 1 or 2 are now glad to see the series die, simply because after 3 there was simply no challenge or the music was not to their taste.

Oh, so these people you know, did they FC every song in World Tour, Metallica, Van Halen, 5, or Warriors Of Rock on every instrument on Expert (and Expert+) then?

[fishfishmonkeyhat]

So very sad.

[Shorty]

Part of it is probably the record labels wanting too much money in licensing fees for the music. It's no secret that the record companies felt yet weren't getting a big enough slice of the pie. So it was really a combination of market saturation, plastic instrument fatigue and increased licensing fees.

[Munky]

Part of it is probably the record labels wanting too much money in licensing fees for the music. It's no secret that the record companies felt yet weren't getting a big enough slice of the pie. So it was really a combination of market saturation, plastic instrument fatigue and increased licensing fees.

I'd imagine they get a pretty good fee out of the DLC.

Since a downloand is twice what a song costs on iTunes and I believe Apple takes a 30% cut of that.

[Shorty]

Never underestimate the sheer greed of record labels.

[sausage]

disappointed a Iron Maiden BH wasn't released.

I would have bought that.

[AranchineD]

disappointed a Iron Maiden BH wasn't released.

I would have bought that.

Amen brudda

[sausage]

We could put grenades on drums cos Nicko's such a ugly mother****er

[Munky]

disappointed a Iron Maiden BH wasn't released.

I would have bought that.

Iron Maiden Pack 01 in RB goes pretty well though...

[sausage]

Rockband Iron Maiden Pack tracklist:

Aces High (Live)
2 Minutes to Midnight
The Trooper
Wasted Years
The Number of the Beast
Run to the Hills
Can I Play With Madness
The Clarivoyant
Powerslave
Fear of the Dark (Live)
Hallowed Be Thy Named (Live)
Iron Maiden (Live)




Not even close to their best work.

[Munky]

Rockband Iron Maiden Pack tracklist:

Aces High (Live)
2 Minutes to Midnight
The Trooper
Wasted Years
The Number of the Beast
Run to the Hills
Can I Play With Madness
The Clarivoyant
Powerslave
Fear of the Dark (Live)
Hallowed Be Thy Named (Live)
Iron Maiden (Live)




Not even close to their best work.

Indeed but there is the potential for Iron Maiden Track Pack 02.

If said track pack ever sees the light of day I want Paschendale and Dance of Death.

[Jay]

http://www.kotaku.com.au/2011/02/the-day-guitar-hero-died/

Might as well post it in here too - gives it a more sombre, less self-congratulatory tone... :p

[aubergine]

I think even guitar hero fans are kind of celebrating.

[VanAce]

I could see Guitar Hero coming back but not until next generation.

[fishfishmonkeyhat]

I give it a year before they say "Hey, you guys have been requesting it for a while now, GUITAR HERO IS BACK!!"

[aubergine]

I'm still wondering how instruments for Rock band will be supplied to future generations.

[fishfishmonkeyhat]

Probably a bit of back-stock.. >_>

[aubergine]

Cash Converters, your day will come!