The Grand Theft Auto IV Thread

[Shorty]

The second of two downloadable content packs for Xbox Live now has an official release date from Rockstar. The Ballad of Gay Tony will be available for download from the Xbox Live Marketplace and as part of the standalone Episodes from Liberty City disc on October 29, 2009.

The plot of the episode will follow Luis Fernando Lopez, a Dominican street gangster and bodyguard of nightclub entrepreneur Anthony "Gay Tony" Prince. The plot will apparently take place in the same time frame as the main GTA IV plot, so it'll be interesting to see how Luis's adventures intersect with Niko's. Astute observers may note that Luis is also the third member of the Impossible Trinity along with Niko and Johnny Klebitz.

Further details such as price are yet to be announced but the official Web site (http://www.rockstargames.com/theballadofgaytony/) for Ballad currently has a desktop wallpaper of a so-far unannounced female character.

[adam_91vn]

I will have to finish TLAD before then.

[Stevorooni]

Hooray! I should get 100% in Lost & Damned one day (although that damn final seagull will never be found!)

[dimorphic]

I think I may be over GTA IV. During my playthrough of TLAD it became more of a 'I want to finish this and move on' sort of effort.

[Munky]

I think I may be over GTA IV. During my playthrough of TLAD it became more of a 'I want to finish this and move on' sort of effort.

I was the opposite, I struggled to get into TLAD but when I did it was the nest gaming experience of the year for me.

[Stevorooni]

just finished Lost and Damned 100%

Had to go on a few different man-dates, win air hockey (which took forever because the controls are awful) and find that last damn seagull. I went through a seagull guide that had pictures of every location, and of course the one that I was missing was the very last location I checked.

Anyway, IT IS DONE. Now I can put the game away again until October 29th

[TrinityJayOne]

Debut trailer coming 1st of Sept. :D

[Stevorooni]

First screenshots of Gay Tony Expansion (http://grandtheftauto.ign.com/articles/news/4042/First-Grand-Theft-Auto-Ballad-of-Gay-Tony-Screenshots)

[Space_Monkey]

Attack Helicopter isn't very exciting is it?

Still going to get this but not a very inspiring start.

Anyone else think we're going to see some gay sex in this one? You know to stir up the controversy?

...one can only hope.

[TrinityJayOne]

I see a dude riding a train roof, which currently isn't possible because the game engine doesn't handle vehicles moving under Niko well. I really hope that's a moving train and they've fixed the issue, because that opens up stuff like riding in the back of pickups etc. :D

[Shorty]

Debut trailer coming 1st of Sept. :D

At 1 PM EST or 4 AM Wednesday Sydney time, to be exact. They also unveiled the box art for Episodes from Liberty City (http://rockstargames.com/news/2009/08/31/391/episodes_from_liberty_city_-_cover_art_revealed).

[Cian]

Loved TLAD and I'm probably going to love this too.

Philip Glass is perfect background music when drooling over those screenshots.

[Xanafalgue]

Faaaaaaabulous

[TrinityJayOne]

Oh shit this is out, isn't it?! Watching trailer brb!

EDIT: Aww, not yet.

[autologic]

I haven't even got around to finishing TLAD yet. Will have to get on that.

[Shorty]

Oh shit this is out, isn't it?! Watching trailer brb!

EDIT: Aww, not yet.

Not for another hour and forty minutes anyway, anyway.

[Xanafalgue]

http://www.rockstargames.com/videos/#/video:121/

AMAZE :D

[Shorty]

USA Today is also running a piece on the upcoming expansion (http://www.usatoday.com/tech/gaming/2009-08-31-gta-iv_N.htm) that reveals some new plot details. One particular mission will involve parachuting onto a glass-windowed skyscraper while another involves lifting a subway car using a Skyhook helicopter. The article also outlined the basic plot, in that Luis is forced to take the reins of Gay Tony's empire as his drug problem grows out of control. So hopefully there'll be all the Rockstar-flavoured intrigue and bittersweet/downer endings we've come to expect from the series so far.

[Hyperblau]

They really kicked it up a notch.

[Stevorooni]

Wow looks awesome, less than 2 months to go!

[enrique]

Trailer looks great, I like what I'm seeing. There's so much good stuff coming out over the next couple of months.

[Shorty]

Don't know if anyone else has noticed this but Rockstar's video player allows you to "dim the lights" and make the rest of the page dark, leaving only the movie. Pretty cool. :cool:

[Shorty]

Couple of new items. USA Today's Game Hunter's column has an interview with Dan Houser (http://content.usatoday.com/communities/gamehunters/post/2009/08/the-rest-of-the-story-gta-the-ballad-of-gay-tony/1) about TBoGT and how it ties in with the original game and the first episode. And GTA Gaming has a thread that shares some revelations about the TBoGT's weapons (http://www.gtaforums.com/index.php?showtopic=424300) courtesy of Australian Official Xbox Magazine.

[banjoeskimo]

Train jacking with a helicopter? I am so in.

Also: I picked up a boatload of Rockstar and GTA stickers at PAX over the weekend that I'll never use. Trin, you want them?

[enrique]

Anyone know what price Episodes from Liberty City will be?

[adam_91vn]

Anyone know what price Episodes from Liberty City will be?

It’ll retail for AU$69.95, or you can purchase both episodes as downloads for AU$52.80

[enrique]

Thanks :)

[TrinityJayOne]

A short new trailer is up on the Rockstar website. Only two (possibly) new cars (sort of), a non-FIB Buffalo and this-

http://members.optusnet.com.au/trinityjayone/NewCarGTA.png

With all the run-of-the-mill sedans in the game it's hard to tell if that's a new body, but those wheels don't look familiar.

[ThePhotoshop]

Just looks like a bloody car to me.

[TrinityJayOne]

Well I found a carlist and went through all aforementioned generic sedans, and I'm fairly certain that none of them are that car. Hooray! There wasn't nearly enough new cars in TLaD, bikes not included.

[Shorty]

PALGN has a preview of the upcoming expansion (http://palgn.com.au/xbox-360/15268/grand-theft-auto-iv-the-ballad-of-gay-tony-preview/). Looks like they're putting in a little more of the over-the-top that's been missing from the series.

[Stevorooni]

It'll probably just be refused classification anyway

[Shorty]

Weazel News reports rise in terrorism. (http://www.joystiq.com/2009/09/17/weazel-news-reports-rise-in-liberty-city-terrorism/)

Favourite part: the news ticker headline calling "tea parties" hoaxes because "stuffed animals can't drink". Nice work, Rockstar. :cool:

[adam_91vn]

They know how to make a video :)

[TrinityJayOne]

Train jacking with a helicopter? I am so in.

Also: I picked up a boatload of Rockstar and GTA stickers at PAX over the weekend that I'll never use. Trin, you want them?
I only just noticed this post somehow, but if you still have them, hells yes!

[Shorty]

There's a few updates from Rockstar. There's a video about Yusuf Amir (http://www.kotaku.com.au/2009/09/introducing-mr-yusuf-amir-of-liberty-city/#more-358762) (you might remember Playboy X mentioning him), some new screenshots with a complete weapons list (http://www.rockstargames.com/news/2009/09/24/931/the_ballad_of_gay_tony_full_new_weapons_list_+_exc lusive_screenshots_at_updated_site) and the official Web site's been upgraded (http://www.rockstargames.com/theballadofgaytony//weapons).

Also, is it just me or does anyone else reckon the TV behind Yusuf at 0:10 is showing the GTA IV end credits?

[Shorty]

New trailer for Episodes from Liberty City (http://www.rockstargames.com/news/2009/10/05/1231/episodes_from_liberty_city_%C3%A2%E2%82%AC%E2%80%9 C_official_trailer_#2_coming_this_wed_1_pm_edt) drops this Thursday at 4am. Destructoid also has a list of Achievements (http://www.destructoid.com/have-some-gta-iv-the-ballad-of-gay-tony-achievements-151021.phtml) for it.

[Shorty]

New "Episodes" trailer just launched and it's called "There's Always A Girl (http://kotaku.com/5376555/episodes-from-liberty-city-theres-always-a-girl)".

[Jay]

http://gamerlimit.com/2009/10/in-defence-of-grand-theft-auto-iv-part-one-my-city-screams/

http://www.kotaku.com.au/

Jickle's Gamer Limit article getting linked in the Sunday Supplement on Kotaku. Good work Jickle!

[TrinityJayOne]

Nice read!

[adam_91vn]

New base jumping vid

http://www.rockstargames.com/videos/188#/video:188/

[Creedy]

People still care about GTA4?
:o

[adam_91vn]

People still care about GTA4?
:o

Never had a reason to dislike one of your posts unlike the the whole forum but . . .

Still fun to play, picked up the multilayer after not having played a while and 2 hours past without me knowing and I had the best time in a while.

I mean where can you pick up a game listening to tunes of your choice flying along a freeway where a helicopter is chasing you and then all of a sudden you hit something and go flying over the edge and some dude you have not ever met just laughs and then you start the next round to reciprocate the the favor.

So yeah your post is lacking.

Even with the new DLC I am sure I'll have some fun.

[jawsy]

Don't take the bait. We all know why dickhead had that to say.

[concrete donkey]

am i the only person who didnt like and didnt bother to finish the lost and damned?

[Jickle]

People still care about GTA4?
:o

With the retail release of the DLC expansions, you, too, should find reason to care!

am i the only person who didnt like and didnt bother to finish the lost and damned?

I doubt it. I had a lot of fun with it and highly reccommend it, but it felt a little samey on times. I dug the narrative (not to mention that incredible shotgun), but I missed Niko, and it was a little short to really make good use of the whole buddy system thing.

Having said that, did you try out the Chopper vs. Chopper multiplayer mode? That thing is incredibly fun. All the multi modes it added were pretty cool, but that one is awesome.

[Shorty]

Having said that, did you try out the Chopper vs. Chopper multiplayer mode? That thing is incredibly fun. All the multi modes it added were pretty cool, but that one is awesome.

Trin and I have given that a lash and I totally agree.

I'm looking forward to the competitive base jumping. :cool:

[Lex]

People still care about GTA4?
:o

gee I wonder why creedy said that?

oh yeah, because he's a petty little chimp.

and I think the dlc is xbox exclusive or something, I don't know.

[Bokracroc]

The lost and damned played a hell of a lot better. Johnny doesn't control like a pig stuck in mud first of all.

[adam_91vn]

am i the only person who didnt like and didnt bother to finish the lost and damned?

I was watching Sons of Anarchy at the time so I enjoyed it alot.

[Stevorooni]

I completed Lost and Damned 100%

I thought the story started out ok but kind of fizzled out at the end with no real sense of ending but it was good value for DLC, lots more stuff to do.

Gay Tony looks insane, how many points will this cost? I forgot how much the last pack was

[jawsy]

1600, if I had to guess.

[TrinityJayOne]

I completed Lost and Damned 100%

I thought the story started out ok but kind of fizzled out at the end with no real sense of ending but it was good value for DLC, lots more stuff to do.

Gay Tony looks insane, how many points will this cost? I forgot how much the last pack was
I'm hoping 1600 like the last one, because that's how many points I've pre-purchased on my account just incase my mastercard spontaneously combusts the day this comes out.

[HiredMan]

Is Gay Tony coming out (ZING!) on Thursday?

[Stevorooni]

yah but I don't think it will until around 7pm or whenever the clock ticks over in the US, that's what happened with Lost and Damned

[McChimp]

I'll just be buying the retail disc, as I HAD LaD on my HDD, but deleted it to make room for other things (I've only got a 20gb drive). Hopefully it'll be on shelves first thing thursday.

[Xanafalgue]

So soon! I'm not sure if I should get it considering I just bought Borderlands and Forza 3 *tosses them into the bin*

[Shorty]

I'll just be buying the retail disc, as I HAD LaD on my HDD, but deleted it to make room for other things (I've only got a 20gb drive). Hopefully it'll be on shelves first thing thursday.

If you've already bought it, shouldn't you be able to download it again?

[McChimp]

Can't be ar$ed? lol. I think it originally took something like 10-11 hours to DL last time, and quite honestly, I just don't "gots teh patienz"!!
That and the fact that I'd rather have it on physical disc, basically.

[Shorty]

Yeah, but you'd also avoid paying for TLaD twice by buying it on Xbox Live.

[Xanafalgue]

Any reviews for this yet?

[Stevorooni]

I give it 8/10



Based purely on the trailers as I haven't played it yet.

EDIT

If the disc edition is released on Thursday then I hope the downloadable version isn't delayed until the evening, people who buy it in stores could be playing it hours before me!

[grimace06]

Damn it all.

I have 80 points left meaning I have to buy a 3000 point card to get this.

Why can't we have 1600 point cards like other parts of the world?

[Shorty]

I take it you buy the cards IRL? Because they sell them in 1000 point quantities on the Marketplace.

[grimace06]

I take it you buy the cards IRL? Because they sell them in 1000 point quantities on the Marketplace.

Yep. It's infuriating.

[HiredMan]

I take it you buy the cards IRL? Because they sell them in 1000 point quantities on the Marketplace.

I buy my points on the marketplace IRL :p

[Bokracroc]

If the disc edition is released on Thursday then I hope the downloadable version isn't delayed until the evening, people who buy it in stores could be playing it hours before me!
I could of picked up a disc version today, but arf :( I already have Lost and Damned...
Sooo tempting though..

[Stevorooni]

Today is the day!

Took a look at the marketplace this morning to see if it was hidden away in any menus but it is not. As soon as it pops up someone post it, I'm working from home today so can go and download ASAP (but then have to wait til I finish work before I can play :( )

[HiredMan]

8/10 from Eurogamer. (http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/grand-theft-auto-iv-the-ballad-of-gay-tony-review)

[Jay]

And 9.5 from IGN AU.

[grimace06]

And 9.5 from IGN AU.

Well I for one, am shocked to see this.

[Stevorooni]

NNNNNNNGHHHHHHHHHHHH want game now

Also Possible hint on next GTA game location and release? (http://www.kotaku.com.au/2009/10/is-rockstar-teasing-next-gta-location/)

It's been 18 months since GTA4 was released, and the ad implies March next year which would make it almost 2 years, enough time for a proper sequel to be developed (and give those PS3 GTA owners some new GTA to enjoy!)

[dalmatian]

From what I've seen, the DLC should be out at 7pm tonight. Have 1610 MP's waiting to be used for this. Cant wait

[McChimp]

You should love it. Picked up the retail copy and I've got to say, HELL of a lot more personality than TLaD. Starts off slowly, but no more than any other GTA. I've only just started mucking around on the "Drug Wars" missions, which are quite awesome.

[Shorty]

In case anyone didn't already know, the Vice FM radio station is exclusive to the boxed version (http://www.rockstargames.com/theballadofgaytony/soundtrack).

[Bokracroc]

Hahahahaha no deal.
Unless they want to reimburse me for getting TLaD on Live ages ago.

[Stevorooni]

In case anyone didn't already know, the Vice FM radio station is exclusive to the boxed version (http://www.rockstargames.com/theballadofgaytony/soundtrack).

Well that's a nice little way to screw over your audience who bought the first DLC when it came out not knowing there'd be a later retail release.

awwww it has Fernando on it. Way to stick in the knife Rockstar :(

[Jay]

Can you hear the drums? They sound decidedly cha-chingy! :p

[Shorty]

Well that's a nice little way to screw over your audience who bought the first DLC when it came out not knowing there'd be a later retail release.

awwww it has Fernando on it. Way to stick in the knife Rockstar :(

That's it, I'm buying it! :p

[Bokracroc]

Any bets on it will be included on all editions for PS3/PC versions?

[Stevorooni]

That's it, I'm buying it! :p

Hopefully the full station loop will find its way online one day

[Hyperblau]

In case anyone didn't already know, the Vice FM radio station is exclusive to the boxed version (http://www.rockstargames.com/theballadofgaytony/soundtrack).

That is actually pissweak.

[ElPresidente]

Epic fail. :(

[voltron]

Why is this in General Gaming?

Anyway, only 15 mins left according to the count down timer on the Rockstar site. Anyone have any idea how big the file is?

[grimace06]

In case anyone didn't already know, the Vice FM radio station is exclusive to the boxed version (http://www.rockstargames.com/theballadofgaytony/soundtrack).

WTF Rockstar.

Instead of rewarding the millions who downloaded the first DLC, they give a reward to those who have just discovered "the GTA".

Idiots.

[voltron]

GO GO GO!!!

http://marketplace.xbox.com/en-AU/games/media/66acd000-77fe-1000-9115-d802545407f2/?p=1&of=3&bt=0&sb=1

[Stevorooni]

GO GO GO!!!

http://marketplace.xbox.com/en-AU/games/media/66acd000-77fe-1000-9115-d802545407f2/?p=1&of=3&bt=0&sb=1

ZOMG 2% downloaded!!!!!

Hasn't even appeared on the console's marketplace yet, not even when you manually browse the lists and look for it.

I'm glad we can queue it up through the site!

[Tonez]

Yeah I couldn't find it either Stevo.

Anyway 80% done. C'mon Gay Tony.

[Jickle]

Waiting for a review code. Probably won't get it until 2am, if not tomorrow. Sometimes, there are downsides to freebies.

[Stevorooni]

15%, curse my internet connection

[AranchineD]

In case anyone didn't already know, the Vice FM radio station is exclusive to the boxed version (http://www.rockstargames.com/theballadofgaytony/soundtrack).

Finally, a developer who compensates those without sweet internet connections and has had to wait this entire time to play the expansions to a somewhat decent game. Yes I am saying this to annoy people >_>

[Stevorooni]

heh not even 10 minutes into the game and I'm already having sex in the toilets. classy.


I liked the opening sequence, I didn't even know that Luis was in that section of the original game

[aubergine]

I read back a few pages to see if this is answered, didn't see it. Does anyone know if the boxed version is standalone, or do you install it and run it with the original gta4 disc?

[Jay]

It says on the box that you do not need GTA 4 to run it. It is standalone. I took particular notice of that today.

[aubergine]

Wow that's pretty cool. I wonder if it runs any better than the DLC versions?

[Stevorooni]

Maybe it's because I'm tired but I'm having trouble getting into this. The few missions I've done so far have been the "shoot everyone and escape" kind, I want to get to the exciting ones!

[Jay]

The two reviews I;ve read have both said that the opening hour is the least inspiring. Push through it Stevo. Or take your own advice and GO TO BED!

[Shorty]

WTF Rockstar.

Instead of rewarding the millions who downloaded the first DLC, they give a reward to those who have just discovered "the GTA".

It does seem like a rather odd move on Rockstar's part. Having a poster or some other physical trinket in the "boxed" version of TLaD, I can understand. Having actual in-game content be exclusive to a disc version of a simultaneous release like this feels really odd. I wonder what the rationale was behind this decision. Did they just want people to pay twice for TLaD?

[adam_91vn]

heh not even 10 minutes into the game and I'm already having sex in the toilets. classy.


I liked the opening sequence, I didn't even know that Luis was in that section of the original game

The dancing was HOT

[Bokracroc]

Explosive shotgun, oh <3 I'm up for some playing around over LIVE, gamertag is ArfCroc.
Also Ballad in US is Free Gold/Multiplayer week or something, can 'shammed' accounts make use of it?

[Shorty]

My disc was scratched to the point of not reading properly, so I'm going back to get a replacement tomorrow. :(

[McChimp]

Brand new disc in THAT condition? That's pretty bloody average.

[Xanafalgue]

I like it, until I DIED on the second mission O_o noob.

[Jickle]

I just watched a few minutes of the anime parody on the in-game TV. It's solid gold.

[Bokracroc]

This is what GTA 4 should of been like in the first place dammit.

[Jay]

*sigh* GTA IV was actually pretty awesome in the first place.

How about that, Jickle? I defended GTA IV! :)

[Bokracroc]

*sigh* GTA IV was actually pretty awesome in the first place.
Eh, it was pretty damn good but not as fun as GTA:SA.

[AranchineD]

Eh, it was pretty damn good but not as fun as GTA:SA.

*Not as fun as Vice City.

SA is gimmicky trash.

[Stevorooni]

I just watched a few minutes of the anime parody on the in-game TV. It's solid gold.

They should make a full series of that

[dalmatian]

Bought the DLC last night, then figured i should finish the GTAIV achievements before I sink my teeth into this. Cant wait

[Jickle]

Favourite moment so far is getting Luis way too drunk in the nightclub (after a bout of bathroom sex, which seems to have gotten him a floozy on the side), passing out and waking up on an island in the middle of a park lake.

Also, something awesome I noticed in the game a while back but never posted about - if you're playing multiplayer and your car breaks down, you can get it working again by revving the engine while a friend pushes the car for you with their own car.

[TrinityJayOne]

Just drove the APC in a mission. **** me that thing is sweet!

[Creedy]

So not long until they announce GTA5 right?

[Shorty]

Depends on when they started working on it. Rockstar had been developing GTA IV for two years when they first announced it for the Xbox 360.

[Jickle]

"He's dead. Killed by social networking!"

Gay Tony is awesome.

[Shorty]

I like how Mori is basically a shorter, crazier version of Brucie. And Yusuf Amir is hilarious. Plenty of activities. I'm loving it.

[Bokracroc]

Parachutes make Freeroam great fun. Either from doing Basejumps or bailing from a helicopter duel.
Also Gold Uzi feels like rape online. The new MG is alright, huge clip but the AR rifle seems more accurate (and thus use less bullets). The Pistol, Shotty, SMG and Sticky bombs are all awesome. Too bad there doesn't seem to be no LOTD Sawn-off shotgun in it :(

[adam_91vn]

Also, something awesome I noticed in the game a while back but never posted about - if you're playing multiplayer and your car breaks down, you can get it working again by revving the engine while a friend pushes the car for you with their own car.

Or just dial 911 and hang up

[Bokracroc]

Explosive shotty can awesome glitch. If you have it equipped and you stumble/fall over, when you shoot it will shoot at full-auto. Slid down a road doing that.

[Silverwolf]

Explosive shotty can awesome glitch. If you have it equipped and you stumble/fall over, when you shoot it will shoot at full-auto. Slid down a road doing that.

Do it with a rocket launcher

[Bokracroc]

Rocket doesn't shoot fast enough.

[TrinityJayOne]

Or just dial 911 and hang up
Can't dial 911 (or any manual number for that matter) in MP!

[Cian]

Still haven't got a screw.

Interesting so far though, but it doesn't seem to be as good as TLAD.

[Jickle]

Still haven't got a screw.

You can earn yourself a 'Booty Call' girl by dancing well in the club.

[Tonez]

Still haven't got a screw.

Interesting so far though, but it doesn't seem to be as good as TLAD.

Really? I think this shits on TLAD to be honest.

Anyway, how the hell did this game get past the OFLC? There's been a number of missions where you receive head (you can actually see the girl going down on you) and one pretty explicit scene in the toilets.

Pretty weird.

[ThePhotoshop]

SO does this episode have wang?

[Clockw0rk]

You know how some NZer got the uncensored GTA rated over here?
Take 2 are still distributing the Aus version. Lame.

[Lazlow]

Tempted to get the double pack, but I feel I should finish the main campaign first. :(

[Bokracroc]

Finishing the original campaign would help understand stuff that happens in the DLC's. You should be able to jump to Ballad before The Lost though.
It's mostly the whole diamond saga that get explained through the whole three.

[Shorty]

Really? I think this shits on TLAD to be honest.

Anyway, how the hell did this game get past the OFLC? There's been a number of missions where you receive head (you can actually see the girl going down on you) and one pretty explicit scene in the toilets.

Pretty weird.

There's "Boulevard Baby", where you have to seduce the girlfriend of the owner of Bahama Mama's and the cutscene before you meet Bulgarin for the first time. Apart from that, it's been pretty much off-screen.

[TrinityJayOne]

You can earn yourself a 'Booty Call' girl by dancing well in the club.
See I don't get this part. I got it in the mission that requires it which Shorty mentioned, but every other time I try I will dance flawlessly, get the group dance going on, and that's it.

Anyways, just finished it, pretty cool ending mission. I think that the main storyline was a touch better in TLaD, but the missions in this were more fun.

[Bokracroc]

Club Management. Half of the time you're banging the girl in the office.
Also getting wasted on shots is awesome. Woke up in a fountain and the dumpster ramp at Star Junction.

[TrinityJayOne]

Club Management. Half of the time you're banging the girl in the office.
Also getting wasted on shots is awesome. Woke up in a fountain and the dumpster ramp at Star Junction.
I haven't gotten him to that stage on shots yet, however after my first champagne thingo I fell down at the top of the stairs and went for a tumble, taking out some chick coming up in the process and landing on her at the bottom. :D

[Bokracroc]

I haven't gotten him to that stage on shots yet, however after my first champagne thingo I fell down at the top of the stairs and went for a tumble, taking out some chick coming up in the process and landing on her at the bottom. :D
I managed to tumble over the rail after one of those D:

[Xanafalgue]

I'm enjoying this so much more than I did GTAIV. Rockstar really know how to create likeable protagonists.

Also, how confusing; is there a reason this is in general gaming?

[jawsy]

I'm pretty sure it is because the game (not just the dlc) exists on other platforms.

[Natrak]

Club Management. Half of the time you're banging the girl in the office.
Also getting wasted on shots is awesome. Woke up in a fountain and the dumpster ramp at Star Junction.

I woke up IN THE HEART OF THE STATUE OF HAPPINESS. Hilarious. Luis was wearing a parachute, too.

[Shorty]

Pretty much. Exclusive DLC notwithstanding, it's still technically a multiplatform title. Hence it remains in General Gaming.

[Stevorooni]

Pretty much. Exclusive DLC notwithstanding, it's still technically a multiplatform title. Hence it remains in General Gaming.

Plus we get to rub it in to all those pesky PS3 version owners who also want the DLC

The game is picking up for me now that I'm getting through more missions, Luis sure does bang a lot of chicks and get lots of BJs though! That guy must have a million stds

[Tonez]

There's "Boulevard Baby", where you have to seduce the girlfriend of the owner of Bahama Mama's and the cutscene before you meet Bulgarin for the first time. Apart from that, it's been pretty much off-screen.

Also the chick in the office gives you BJ's from time to time but regardless those two scenes were pretty explicit given that it's an MA game.

I just don't see how it got past.

[Natrak]

Consistency and the Classification Board don't mix, Tonez. :P

[Jay]

**** helicopter missions up the arse. **** them. I can't ****ing fly the ****s.

[Bokracroc]

I woke up IN THE HEART OF THE STATUE OF HAPPINESS. Hilarious. Luis was wearing a parachute, too.
Yes, I just did that too. I wasted it by trying to base-jump down the ladder :D

[Tonez]

Consistency and the Classification Board don't mix, Tonez. :P

haha True that

[Stevorooni]

I like seeing Fatty Cousin Roman popping up from time to time at the nightclub, I live that guy. Hated taking him hostage in lost & damned.

I hated Brucie in the original game too, too damn annoying but his brother is even more annoying, crappy little oompa loompa.

[McChimp]

**** helicopter missions up the arse. **** them. I can't ****ing fly the ****s.

Agreed. I tried that f'ing 'steal the helicopter/ blow up the ship/ kill the dealers' mission half a dozen times and the closest I got was the goddamn dealers doing a runner on foot, and I crashed!! The controls for this section needs a SERIOUS overhaul, 'cos it's NO FUN what-so-ever!

[Jickle]

I really have no problem with the helicopters, but that might have something to do with the immense amounts of practice I've had (Chopper vs. Chopper is the multiplayer mode of champions). Sure, it's hard to shoot the ship/the fleeing dealers, but hell, it should be, considering what you're doing. :p I managed it on my second shot, crashed into the water chasing the dealers first time.

[Shorty]

I hated Brucie in the original game too, too damn annoying but his brother is even more annoying, crappy little oompa loompa.

I cracked up laughing when Brucie got fed up with Mori's teasing and punched him in the face.

[Stevorooni]

I've found that when you need to take out other helicopters with your missiles you have to almost be crashing into them before you fire and hope that they break apart before your copter hits theirs

[TrinityJayOne]

A crosshair is all it needs, or the light autolock that the gunship in Vice City had.

Just put San Andreas onto my PC for giggles, and I think my memories of the map's size had been skewed somewhat, as it really feels quite small going back to it now. The rural areas are still incredible though.

[Citizen Erased]

Is there any way to fix the horrible shadow/shading effects in this game ?

[TrinityJayOne]

Err...you mean the shadows that are being created by the actual in-game objects and buildings, in realtime? Are you NUTS?! The lighting in general in this game is fantastic.

[Lazlow]

I think they might be talking about the dithering that's prevalent on the 360 version.

[Xanafalgue]

Why did they add dithering to the 360 version anyway? Sometimes it looks okay but usually its a bit distracting.

[TrinityJayOne]

Same reason the game has a slight fish-eye lens effect- makes the world look bigger than it is while using less resources. The blur of distant objects is very likely hiding low res textures on low poly models. It's an alternative to how the N64 did things (shitloads of fog). You need to consider how much the Xbox is processing!

[Lazlow]

And (correct me if I'm wrong) the PS3 version got away with it, by running at a lower resolution.

[TrinityJayOne]

Technically not HD!

[Lazlow]

630P, FOR SHAME! (http://kotaku.com/385237/gta-iv-runs-at-630p-on-playstation-3-so-whats-that-mean)

:p

[Citizen Erased]

Thanks for help guys.

[Stevorooni]

I think I'm up to the final mission because it's ****ing impossible

[Jickle]

I think I'm up to the final mission because it's ****ing impossible

I just finished the final mission. Took me three shots. Awesome, awesome setting for the mission. Obviously this whole thing was planned very far in advance - not only because of the villain involved, but because that place (avoiding spoilers here) was clearly designed with an epic shootout in mind.

In any case, loved the whole thing. Quite a bit better than the already great Lost and Damned.

[Natrak]

The second last mission was a pain in the arse, waaay too many enemies and no real viable cover, I lost count of how many retries it took.

[Jickle]

The second last mission was a pain in the arse, waaay too many enemies and no real viable cover, I lost count of how many retries it took.

The emphasis on that mission seemed to be on taking everyone out really fast. I spray 'n prayed with the big-arse machine gun for the first four or so sets of goons, then focused on guarding the staircase when my health got low towards the end of the first section. Just barely pulled it off first time. I died twice once the fight moved outside, though. Fun mission.

[Natrak]

I wound up just crouching at the top of the stairs launching grenades in the general direction of the enemies. It took me a few attempts when the fight went outside, too.

[Shorty]

Yeah, the second-last mission took a few retries. The one on the roof with the Russians was tough, too. Especially when they start lobbing grenades in your direction.

I did finish the game, though. Might see if there are any more missions or random peds and do some of the side activities before I think about a second playthrough. Was good fun, though.

[Stevorooni]

By the sounds of things I'm on the 2nd to last mission then, dammit

It's in the nightclub with wave after wave of Russian goons coming in

[Jay]

Just watched Princess Robot Bubblegum. Superb. Utterly brilliant.

I still think the controls in the GTA games are balls, but the gameplay and presentation are so entertaining I push on regardless.

[Bokracroc]

Interesting Parachute glitch, haven't tried it in single player though. Open you chute, pull back on the left thumbstick then rapidly tap LT and RT. You'll gain massive height, faster than helicopters! Just watch out though, once you hit the top of the level it unclips the parachute and you fall to your death (unless you land in water).

[TrinityJayOne]

By the sounds of things I'm on the 2nd to last mission then, dammit

It's in the nightclub with wave after wave of Russian goons coming in
Took me several goes until I worked out a system. What I did was load up the grenade launcher to capacity prior to starting, then when the cutscene finishes you run back and to the left of where Tony is, taking cover behind the bit of wall that sticks out in the corner. Kill the dudes that come up the stairs, then lob a grenade off the balcony and finish off any survivers. When the next wave comes, a few goons will run up the stairs so go back to the corner straight away. Once dead, go back to grenade lobbing as only those few goons will come up at the beginning of each wave, the rest never will.

[Stevorooni]

Woohoo just finished it.

Trin's technique was pretty swell for that one mission and the final one was pretty cool but didn't give me much trouble apart from when I pranged the bike once.Yusuf was annoying through the whole game but I loved him in that last mission.

Fantastic game though, and in total GTA4 + the expansions make a brilliant package and now some of those storylines from GTA4 have been tied up in full.

Oh and

During the end credits where we see Packie McCrearey walking into the airport to leave Liberty City, I seriously hope that's a hint that the next game will be in another city and you play as Packie, I loved that guy.

[Xanafalgue]

Arab money!

[Natrak]

Woohoo just finished it.

Trin's technique was pretty swell for that one mission and the final one was pretty cool but didn't give me much trouble apart from when I pranged the bike once.Yusuf was annoying through the whole game but I loved him in that last mission.

Fantastic game though, and in total GTA4 + the expansions make a brilliant package and now some of those storylines from GTA4 have been tied up in full.

Oh and

During the end credits where we see Packie McCrearey walking into the airport to leave Liberty City, I seriously hope that's a hint that the next game will be in another city and you play as Packie, I loved that guy.

I thought the exact same thing (well, except I was like 'WAS THAT PACKIE!?'). It would be awesome to play as Packie in the next GTA.

[NiB]

Is everyone else finding 100% missions really difficult ?

[Xanafalgue]

Is everyone else finding 100% missions really difficult ?

Yes, I'm finding the missions much more difficult than GTA IV.

In fact, when I was playing yesterday an NPC killed me with ONE PUNCH :confused: Obviously someone at Rockstar thought GTA IV was too easy.

[Bokracroc]

Second to last mission wasn't that hard.
Sit back from the railing and cap anyone who walks up the stairs then pistol headshot the ones in cover. Repeat until you have to go outside. Explosive shotgun the cars as they come in and pick off the downed and wounded.

[The Reznor]

I just got Episodes From Liberty City and beat Lost and Damned, so now it's onto this.

GTAIV was the most overrated thing to happen in video gaming since The Sims. It was like they tried to make it all serious and Law and Order-y and really, they just sucked all the fun out of it. Boring missions, characters, dialogue that was just redundant four letter word stupidity.

Lost and Damned was maybe slightly better, nothing to rave about.

Ballad of Gay Tony is already shaping up to be something special, I really hope it continues that way.

[Creedy]

Boring characters and dialogue? Are you serious?
The storyline and characters in GTA4 are leagues ahead of the PS2 GTA games.

Packie and Brucie are 2 of the most orsmest characters ever created in video game history. Nicko is pretty damn orsm himself I think.

[AranchineD]

Say 'orsm' again and I will hunt you down and I will cut you.

[The Reznor]

I'm deadly serious, and unfortunately, so was that game.

An awkward mix of "look how important I am" themes like a trite Hollywood movie custom made for the Oscar crowd, or like Law and Order, as I said, and then some really stupid gratuitous humor.

I was hoping the main character would be a bad arse, but he was just an annoying crybaby. None of the other characters were remotely interesting and Roman was one of the most irritating characters I've seen yet. Okay, he likes titties... we get it. And "cousin! It is your cousin!" Ugh. Is that what passes for great characters these days?

[Shorty]

I'm not sure that you and I played the same game. I thought the writing and dialogue was excellent - some of the series' best, which is high praise considering the quality that was already inherent in the GTA3 series.

If you found GTA4 to be too serious, perhaps you'd enjoy Saints Row 2.

[The Reznor]

I did enjoy Saints Row 2, actually.

I just thought they tried to hard to come up with characters that could compete with those you might find on prime time TV in terms of making the average person feel that they were dealing with something very important and incisive, and forfeited all the fun in the process. None of the missions were particularly interesting.

But anyway. I just played some more of BoGT (did the golf/Rocco mission) and it's great so far. Much better than L&D. Hope it continues this way...

[Shorty]

I just thought they tried to hard to come up with characters that could compete with those you might find on prime time TV in terms of making the average person feel that they were dealing with something very important and incisive, and forfeited all the fun in the process. None of the missions were particularly interesting.

But anyway. I just played some more of BoGT (did the golf/Rocco mission) and it's great so far. Much better than L&D. Hope it continues this way...

I think that you and I may have differing opinions on what constitutes "fun". I don't think that a game necessarily has to be crazy and over-the-top to be compelling, but I also recognise that that particular style may resonate more with certain gamers than with others. For instance, I felt a greater sense of immersion and verisimilitude with IV's more grounded mechanics than I did with previous games and with SR2 (e.g. the vehicle physics in IV are much better and not so slot car-like). I felt more connected and involved with the game world.

[Creedy]

say 'orsm' again and i will hunt you down and i will cut you.

i are o r s m!!!!!

[AranchineD]

Have any dead relatives, because I will dig them up and ejaculate on the corpses.

[Cian]

Similar to Shorty's post; immersion = fun. GTAIV is still unparralleled when it comes to creating a game world that you geuinely care about. Liberty City breathes unlike any other sandbox game.

I could never understand the complaints about it not being fun, the script writing is so funny, you still blow a lot of shit up, and the bank robbery mission is probably the best ever moment in the GTA universe.

Still the best experience of this generation imo.

[AranchineD]

For me doing anything in GTA4 felt like trying to trudge through a vat of oatmeal mixed with glue, and it actually destroyed the immersion for me when it seemed like I had to go through a number of unnecessary, slow steps to accomplish anything.

By the end of the game I was hardly having any fun even when I was just causing mayhem. Don't get me wrong, the game is good, but for me it wasn't an experience that really lasted for any considerable amount of time.

[Cian]

Elaborate on slow steps...

Like, picking up your contact from their house?

:/

[AranchineD]

I played the game a while ago, of course, and what sticks in my mind is just this feeling of Niko just switching from 'fixed animation' to 'fixed animation' at a snail's pace, like he would act three seconds after I press a button to make him do something; he fell down, I go make a sandwich while I waited for him to get back up; it felt like it took just that little bit too much time to steal a car; controls in general just feeling like it takes 'too many' buttons to do things; the hand-to-hand combat (which I know isn't a main point of the game) feels like they tried to make things more complex but it ends up clunky and obtuse; I've spoken before about how I didn't really like driving in the game, it was like an arcade driving game attempted to be made with 100%, true-to-life physics and it didn't work for me.

And apart from controlling Niko himself: the 'relationships' aspect, like you mentioned, I know they had you pick them up and drive back so you could 'talk' with them, but the entire time I wanted them to talk during the activities (when it's a mini-game like bowling, etc.) and just skip the driving part, and I didn't like how many missions required you to drive out somewhere and THEN drive to the actual destination of the mission.


I say these with the disclaimer that I didn't even take note of or really care in any way about them until I had spent quite some time with the game, but once these things were in my head that was pretty much it for by enjoyment with the game.


I suppose the tl;dr version of this is that while Rockstar wanted to take the series in a new direction (which is fair enough), at the same time they kept a lot of the elements from the old games in there and for me the two clashed against each other. Personally, I think they should have gone all or nothing with the game.

[Creedy]

The whole friendship thing was a pain in the arse. I only worried about it on my 2nd playthrough for the trophies.

[Shorty]

AranchineD - I didn't have a problem with the movement so much as I had a problem with shooting from cover. I felt like the player character's were much too slow in popping out from cover and the animations were overly long. They looked cool and everything, but at times it felt like my character was moving in slo-mo.

It wasn't a deal-killer, but I think Rockstar really need to make the character's movement more "snappy" for the next one. Picking off moving characters is kind of a pain if it takes almost a couple of seconds to emerge from cover and fire.

[Serenity]

I've only had GTA IV about a month, but in the past two weeks maybe I've put in about 40 hours and I'm nearly a quarter of the way through the game. I'm taking things nice and slow. Really slow. Savouring it because it is a fantastic experience. I love this game.

[Serenity]

Okay, I'm really pissed off. So I'm up to the chopper chase mission, I believe it's called Paper Trail. I take off and that's fine but even though I'm flying towards the blip on the radar I always lose them in the first 30 seconds without any warning. Why the hell does it do this?! What can I do to make it stop?

Note: I'm on 360.

[TrinityJayOne]

I don't recall that mission 100%, but if the target is on land then you might be flying too high.

[Serenity]

Nope, it's right at the start of the mission so I'd assume they'd still be flying.

Walkthroughs aren't helping me much either, they just say to follow the blip.

[Bokracroc]

Shouldn't take 30 seconds to fly to Middle Park.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5ve_RXjtXo

[Serenity]

Well, you knew what I meant, not a long amount of time. I ragequit, my brother picked up the controller and finished the mission first go...Fail.

Edit: 42.41% finished.

[Shorty]

Downloadable content packs and Episodes from Liberty City coming to PC and PS3 March 30. (http://www.joystiq.com/2010/01/29/gta-episodes-from-liberty-city-on-ps3-pc-march-30/)

[Stevorooni]

I was just searching for this thread to post the same thing but from a different website but bastard Shorty got in first (http://www.kotaku.com.au/2010/01/grand-theft-auto-episodes-from-liberty-city-announced-for-ps3-and-pc/#more-376848)


The Episodes were my reason for buying a 360 back in the day because I wanted the extra content with GTA4, and I thought Microsoft paid big bucks to fund their development, but whatever. I have both consoles anyway now so it all worked out in the end.

[Creedy]

welcome to the inevitable I guess.

[9warbane]

Downloadable content packs and Episodes from Liberty City coming to PC and PS3 March 30. (http://www.joystiq.com/2010/01/29/gta-episodes-from-liberty-city-on-ps3-pc-march-30/)
Yay! I knew I read somewhere that the eps were only exclusive for 360 for a certain amount of time.

[SOX]

It was always a timed exclusive thing I thought?

[Creedy]

It was never considered timed exclusive, Microsoft touted it's exclusiveness because they gave Rockstar a 50 million dollar loan interest free.

[REQUIEM]

Okay, I'm really pissed off. So I'm up to the chopper chase mission, I believe it's called Paper Trail. I take off and that's fine but even though I'm flying towards the blip on the radar I always lose them in the first 30 seconds without any warning. Why the hell does it do this?! What can I do to make it stop?

Note: I'm on 360.

You are going the wrong way. Change your route.

[Shorty]

I actually think this is a great move. I really liked the episodes. I thought that Rockstar did an excellent job of expanding the universe with interesting characters, storylines and gameplay additions and now even more people can enjoy them.

[Natrak]

Yup, I'm glad PS3 and PC owners of the game will get the opportunity to play some of the best paid DLC ever made.

[AranchineD]

Well I don't know what wrong with all your traitors but this is the most terrible news I've heard all year, I bought the game on 360 under the presumption that those other inferior platforms would not taint the game's beauty.

But no. That's gone out the window now, when those now laughable mission packs gets released on other platforms, I can just predict now how we'll hear a) from the PS3 crowd "OH THIS GAME IS TOO HARD WAHWAH" and b) from the PC crowd "OH THIS GAME IS TOO EASY WAHWAH". As a result, Rockstar will dumb down future entries in the series, and the great GTA name will be tarnished.

Thanks for your secrets and lies Microsoft and Rockstar. Burn in hell, both of you.

[Creedy]

These come to Steam, end of year sale, each for $2.50, bought.
That's the only way I'm getting them.
:)

[T Strife]

Well I don't know what wrong with all your traitors but this is the most terrible news I've heard all year, I bought the game on 360 under the presumption that those other inferior platforms would not taint the game's beauty.

But no. That's gone out the window now, when those now laughable mission packs gets released on other platforms, I can just predict now how we'll hear a) from the PS3 crowd "OH THIS GAME IS TOO HARD WAHWAH" and b) from the PC crowd "OH THIS GAME IS TOO EASY WAHWAH". As a result, Rockstar will dumb down future entries in the series, and the great GTA name will be tarnished.

Thanks for your secrets and lies Microsoft and Rockstar. Burn in hell, both of you.

I honestly can't tell if this is sarcastic or not.

[AranchineD]

I honestly can't tell if this is sarcastic or not.

The beauty of the internet, in all its glory. :)

[Mr.Mew]

Smileys determine sarcasm.

[igotnewsuper8systemWRONG!]

Will ps3 version have better graphics because of blu ray?

[SOX]

Will the PS3 DLC just be an unlock code cause the content has been there since the beginning?

[Lazlow]

I hope this is an indiciation that they'll progress onto the next GTA.

And hopefully not a rehash of Vice City or San Andreas either, if they rehash anything make it GTA2.

Otherwise an original setting, possibly in a different timeframe, would be sweet.

[Shorty]

Episodes delayed for PC and PS3 two weeks for "minor content changes". (http://www.joystiq.com/2010/03/18/gta-episodes-from-liberty-city-for-pc-ps3-delayed-two-weeks-du/) Rockstar were quick to point out that these changes weren't in response to any ratings board. The new release dates for both disc and downloadable versions are April 13th for the US and April 16th for Europe.

[Stevorooni]

It would be funny if they were adding in references about the PS3 being superior to the 360

[pecka_a]

this is a question to the 360 owners have they taken out/fixed the friends calling you in the add-ons? or is it anoying like it was in gta4?

[REQUIEM]

Episodes delayed for PC and PS3 two weeks for "minor content changes". (http://www.joystiq.com/2010/03/18/gta-episodes-from-liberty-city-for-pc-ps3-delayed-two-weeks-du/) Rockstar were quick to point out that these changes weren't in response to any ratings board. The new release dates for both disc and downloadable versions are April 13th for the US and April 16th for Europe.

I first completed it on ps3 upon release but then got sick of waiting and grabbed the additions on 360 so Sony have lost out on my business. I cannot be alone with that decision either.

[enrique]

Looking at getting Episodes from Liberty City and just wondering does it have all the misc stuff from GTA4 like the net cafe, bars, clothing stores etc

[McChimp]

From what I remember it's all the same, just with different stories and characters.

[Shorty]

The usual activities are there in the Episodes too, but they're not as intrusive.

[enrique]

From what I remember it's all the same, just with different stories and characters.

The usual activities are there in the Episodes too, but they're not as intrusive.

Thanks.

[REQUIEM]

I hope this is an indiciation that they'll progress onto the next GTA.

And hopefully not a rehash of Vice City or San Andreas either, if they rehash anything make it GTA2.

Otherwise an original setting, possibly in a different timeframe, would be sweet.

I wouldnt mind another Vice city game or a Triad gang war GTA like the DS version.

[Shorty]

I think there's plenty of good story to be told in a post-Cocaine Cowboys Miami.

[Zzz]

Has anyone else noticed that hookers are now uncensored in vanilla GTA IV?

this is a question to the 360 owners have they taken out/fixed the friends calling you in the add-ons? or is it anoying like it was in gta4?
The phone has always had a sleep mode. It stops people calling you.

[Shorty]

Has anyone else noticed that hookers are now uncensored in vanilla GTA IV?

It was enabled in the Lost & Damned expansion and either the CB didn't know about it being enabled for the full game or they didn't care.

[fishfishmonkeyhat]

Holy shit cowboy expansion?!

[AranchineD]

Liberty City ain't what it used to be

[adam_91vn]

Doh!!

[Munky]

I finanlly got around to downloading Gay Tony and it has been brilliant.

Three missons in and I'm stealing helicopters from arms dealers.

Love the over the topness.

[adam_91vn]

^

Yeah playing it at the moment trying to finish before red dead. Should finish to tonight.

I could play GTA forever

[Munky]

Did anyone watch the anime rip off on the TV?

Pure GOld.

[Shorty]

GTA IV: Complete Edition (http://www.ebgames.com.au/xbox360-151901-Grand-Theft-Auto-IV-The-Complete-Edition-Xbox-360) coming to PS3 and Xbox 360 on the 29th, for the three people who still haven't bought the game.

[Stevorooni]

Finally

[fishfishmonkeyhat]

You think we'll get it uncensored now?

They sneaked hooker sex through on the episodes.

I'm currently playing TBoGT so I might pick it up so I only have the one disc in my collection.

[Creedy]

GTA IV: Complete Edition (http://www.ebgames.com.au/xbox360-151901-Grand-Theft-Auto-IV-The-Complete-Edition-Xbox-360) coming to PS3 and Xbox 360 on the 29th, for the three people who still haven't bought the game.

Which would be me, still waiting on an amazing deal for them.
^_^

[Shorty]

I think by this point, people might just call you "cheap".

[Creedy]

I think by this point, people might just call you "cheap".

At this point in time I am cheap, I've come to the realization that I have a monster backlog of games to play through. So at the moment I am going through all my Steam games one by one. I haven't actually bought any retail games this year, I was about to the other week but then decided to finally buy my rear speakers.

However with the current exchange rate the temptation to buy games is icreasing.

[enrique]

I'd be tempted to get this somewhat, did own all the episodes and whatnot but sold/traded them in. Wouldnt mind another playthrough of TBOGT.

[Australian Ninja]

Finally getting around to playing GTA IV.

For some reason I keep playing games out of order

Played TBOGT - then Lost and Damned - now GTA IV.

Same with old GTA.

1.Vice City - San Andreas - GTA III



Unemployment + GTA = No sleep for you!

[fishfishmonkeyhat]

Actually, the eps will probably be a download tokens in the 360 version...

[fishfishmonkeyhat]

Do not like what they did to Brucie's character in the last ep.

You assholes!

[Shorty]

I actually thought it gave his character some depth. Knowing what his family is like (ie. his brother keeps putting him down), you start to understand why Brucie might be as over-the-top as he is. Plus, the cut scene where he finally snaps and clocks Mori in the face is priceless, particularly when Mori starts crying like a little bitch.

For some reason I keep playing games out of order

Played TBOGT - then Lost and Damned - now GTA IV.

Same with old GTA.

1.Vice City - San Andreas - GTA III

That's the correct chronological order to be playing them, but you'll get quite a feature shock going from San Andreas to III. IV is different because the game and the episodes all take place pretty much side-by-side so there's no real "correct" order to play them.

[fishfishmonkeyhat]

I actually thought it gave his character some depth. Knowing what his family is like (ie. his brother keeps putting him down), you start to understand why Brucie might be as over-the-top as he is. Plus, the cut scene where he finally snaps and clocks Mori in the face is priceless, particularly when Mori starts crying like a little bitch.

While I agree with that, I was more talking about when he hits on Luis in the club.

[Shorty]

While I agree with that, I was more talking about when he hits on Luis in the club.

Ah. I actually found that bit rather amusing, considering how hyper-macho and "I AM TOTALLY STRAIGHT" he presents himself elsewhere in the game.

[fishfishmonkeyhat]

If it had been in the original I wouldn't have thought twice about it, but it just seemed like an extra kick in the pants, as being gay is, of course, bad.

At least him and Mori were fighting in a cage match during the credits.

[fishfishmonkeyhat]

It seems the Complete Edition version of 4 is uncensored. So if you like rotating the camera during hooker sex GO GO GO!

Also you can make bloody footprints now.

[Shorty]

Complete Edition is on sale on Steam for ten bucks. Today only. Even Creedy can't pass that up.

[AranchineD]

Putting aside any questions of the quality of the game itself, the PC version is pretty garbage

[Shorty]

Putting aside any questions of the quality of the game itself, the PC version is pretty garbage

Really? I'd heard it was a bit of resource hog but that's it.

[AranchineD]

You'll only get to find out if it's a resource hog if you actually manage to get the game working, and even then it can be completely unplayable