Kyle and Jackie O - on air reveals young girl was raped.

[Space_Monkey]

Now that the whole Chaser thing has blown over, what with the Chaser's War ended and all, we need a new media personality to rage against and Kyle and Jackie O have filled the slot nicely.

I'm in the "let's blame Kyle and Jackie O" party here, how anybody, anywhere, with any IQ could think it was a good idea or good radio to hook a 14-year-old girl up to a lie detector LIVE before getting her mother to interrogate her about her sex life and drug use is beyond me.

They can't have expected this reaction. But when they exploited a 14-year-old girl into divulging her most personal secrets to an audience of thousands for shock laughs and ratings something was always going to go horribly wrong.

This is sick and appalling.

That said I'm not in the "sack em" party, I'm a firm believer in Freedom of Speech and the hardest speech to defend is the speech you don't agree with.

I'm sure ACMA will have something to say about this, so maybe there will be a fine or a suspension of thier licence of something, unless the police get involved which is now likely.

But if I had to hope for an outcome it'd be that people realize how sick and desperate Kyle and Jackie O have become for ratings and simply don't tune in tomorrow. ....Although I know that won't happen. :(

[BB2K]

I just hope Kyle at least gets fired, not for this, but just because he's a massive wanker.

[Lazlow]

I just want a shirt that says "Rape Happens" with a picture of Kyle's face on it.

[FrozenSoul80]

I'd blame the mother more. Good parents don't force their kids to take lie detector tests.

[Lazlow]

Apparently the mother already knew the girl had been raped, which makes this whole event even more bizarre.

[FrozenSoul80]

Apparently the mother already knew the girl had been raped, which makes this whole event even more bizarre.

That just makes it worse. As much as Kyle irks me, he is not the badguy in all this.

[dimorphic]

I hadn't heard about this, but it sounds terrible. How could the shows producers or the station management let this happen? 14 years old is appalling, the mother and everyone involved should be ashamed.

[Nic Xtreme]

Apparently the mother already knew the girl had been raped, which makes this whole event even more bizarre.

Yeah, News.com.au reported that the mother was the one who wanted to interrogate her daughter about drugs and sex, not Kyle and Jackie-O, and it was the mother who pushed for the daughter to appear on the segment.

Couple that with the fact that the mother already knew about the rape, yeah...it is messed up :/

[Jickle]

Yeah, News.com.au reported that the mother was the one who wanted to interrogate her daughter about drugs and sex, not Kyle and Jackie-O, and it was the mother who pushed for the daughter to appear on the segment.

Couple that with the fact that the mother already knew about the rape, yeah...it is messed up :/

That doesn't exactly excuse them, though. Even if it wasn't their idea, it's their show, and they let it happen.

Obviously the mother is a massive douche for getting her daughter to spill on-air as well, but then again I suppose she'd be pretty messed up over the whole thing and would be willing to go to extremes to get her daughter to admit to it.

[Surgeon.]

Just thought I'd provide a link (http://media.smh.com.au/shock-jock-rape-disaster-654506.html) so people can actually hear what all the fuss is about.

Although not actually hearing it hasn't seemed to stop alot of people from passing judgment.

[Jickle]

Just thought I'd provide a link (http://media.smh.com.au/shock-jock-rape-disaster-654506.html) so people can actually hear what all the fuss is about.

Although not actually hearing it hasn't seemed to stop alot of people from passing judgment.

Holy shit this is even worse than I thought :/

They handle it fairly well once the penny drops but it's pretty painful beforehand. The girl is clearly incredibly uncomfortable but they all seem to find it very amusing.

[FrozenSoul80]

That was horrible, what were they thinking continuing after she mentioned that she was scared?

[Space_Monkey]

Argh that makes me sick to my stomach hearing that.

They were really pushing to hear the goss on sex and drugs too, it was pretty clear that's what they were there to hear.

I wanted to vomit when I heard Jackie O back-peddling.

If anything I hate her more than Kyle, at least he's up front about being a jerk; Jackie O is just as bad but thinks she can get away with it if she puts on that patronising tone and says I'm sorry, have a tissue dear.

[JubeiSaotome]

It's totally the mothers fault. The mother shouldn't have forced the girl into this situation when she knew this was the case. She is not a mother.

[Space_Monkey]

How can you completely absolve Kyle and Jackie O of blame??

They hooked a scared, 14-year-old girl up to a lie detector and forced her to broadcast her sex-life for entertainment.

[FrozenSoul80]

How can you completely absolve Kyle and Jackie O of blame??

They hooked a scared, 14-year-old girl up to a lie detector and forced her to broadcast her sex-life for entertainment.

Because the idea was probably from some higher-up. Their job is to be charismatic on air, not come up with ideas for the show.

[Space_Monkey]

Because the idea was probably from some higher-up. Their job is to be charismatic on air, not come up with ideas for the show.

Maybe it did come from higher up, when they were told to do the segment they should have said no, I'm sure they're popular enough to have some say about the programming of thier show and even if they were told to do it, they still did it, it's like saying I'm sorry I punched you in the stomach, not my fault that guy told me to do it.

[JubeiSaotome]

Aside from "So that's your only sexual encounter?", I think they did a pretty good job at standing in and offering help and bringing it to a close.

Kyle may be a jerk, but at least he did the right thing and didn't continue.

[Space_Monkey]

Aside from "So that's your only sexual encounter?", I think they did a pretty good job at standing in and offering help and bringing it to a close.

Kyle may be a jerk, but at least he did the right thing and didn't continue.

Well to me, it felt like a rather desperate attempt at covering thier own butts. As for doing the right thing it was the ONLY thing he could do. I'm sure everybody in the studio that day was screaming cut!

[Sweating Bullets]

Kyle may be a jerk, but at least he did the right thing and didn't continue.

What was with the: "Right ... is that the only experience you've had?"

A bit unrelated but on Penn And Teller: Bulls**t they recently did lie detectors and how they don't work.

[JC Henderson]

I can't believe people think Jackie and Kyle are less responsible. Are people forgetting this was a 14 year old girl they were talking to.They knew her age and even if she wasn't raped asking her about sexual activities is just not right in the first place.

[texta]

Just thought I'd provide a link (http://media.smh.com.au/shock-jock-rape-disaster-654506.html) so people can actually hear what all the fuss is about.

Although not actually hearing it hasn't seemed to stop alot of people from passing judgment.
Before I listened to it, it sounded pretty dodgy. But having listened to the actual transcript it's horrifyingly bad. Even before the girl told about being raped the show was off the rails.

There are two completely separate issues here.

Firstly putting a 14 year old on the radio and hooking them up to a lie detector to ask her about her sex life is totally wrong. Unquestionably a terrible idea and the mother and whoever the radio people are that didn't refuse to allow it to happen are all disgraces and have clearly demonstrated such complete lack of judgement that they should never be allowed in a position of any kind of authority ever again.

Secondly, the Mother by failing to take her daughter's story seriously and by asking her the question on the radio has proven herself too unfit to care for children.

[bulkerking]

There a pack of "Shock Jocks" What do we expect. That said picking on children is a big no no in the media...
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[big_b]

This makes the whole Johnathan Ross and Russell Brand Radio scandel last year seem quite tame.

[Azzaman]

They are apparently the biggest pricks going about, hopefully this ends their "careers"

[TrinityJayOne]

That link leads to a video about some woman getting touched up on a crowded train.

EDIT: Found it elsewhere myself- http://livenews.com.au/entertainment/2day-goad-sex-questions-from-14yearold-rape-victim/2009/7/29/214390

Wasn't as bad as I was expecting, the rape stuff is hardly their fault. Asking a 14yo about sex while on air is certainly a moral grey area, but I don't think it requires getting the authorities involved.

[texta]

That link leads to a video about some woman getting touched up on a crowded train.

EDIT: Found it elsewhere myself- http://livenews.com.au/entertainment/2day-goad-sex-questions-from-14yearold-rape-victim/2009/7/29/214390

Wasn't as bad as I was expecting, the rape stuff is hardly their fault. Asking a 14yo about sex while on air is certainly a moral grey area, but I don't think it requires getting the authorities involved.
Well rape is a crime, so it's fairly appropriate to get the police in to investigate that.

As far as the shock jock's go, I think you can make a reasonable argument that this segment broke the commercial radio code of practice and so I'd say that's pretty good grounds for ACMA to investigate.

You could also actually make the argument that the mother has breached the law by identifying a victim of a sexual crime. Though I doubt that'll be pursued.

[Pauly]

having a 14yo on the air speaking about these types of issues is pretty stupid but the mother should be blamed the most here.

[incompatible with life]

As far as the shock jock's go, I think you can make a reasonable argument that this segment broke the commercial radio code of practice and so I'd say that's pretty good grounds for ACMA to investigate.
Nope, nothing in the code breached it seems. But they can act if someone files a formal complaint, which i imagine will happen if not already.

You could also actually make the argument that the mother has breached the law by identifying a victim of a sexual crime. Though I doubt that'll be pursued.
Well, strictly speaking it was the girl who identified herself. Nevertheless I imagine there'd be the issue of the fact that the mother already knew of it, and the implied part where she made light of it.

[Vindik8or]

Is she hot?

[castr8or]

I think Kyles response was pretty bad

*awkward pause*
so is that your only experience?


lol
nice one, if he gets in trouble, it should be for trying to salvage the segment in such a way.

[AranchineD]

I just hope Kyle at least gets fired, not for this, but just because he's a massive wanker.

Thread should have ended with this second post, who cares if it's Kyle and Jackie-O's faults, let's just blame them anyway so they **** off and the standards of society go up instead of down for a change. >_>

[Almighty Beanchild]

Secondly, the Mother by failing to take her daughter's story seriously and by asking her the question on the radio has proven herself too unfit to care for children.

I think this is all too common. When I worked as a court reporter type guy, I got to hear a LOT (and I mean a lot) of rape cases and its surprising how often the victim's parents don't support them or even actively disbelieve them. I've heard probably half a dozen cases where a family member, usually a mother, actually testifies against their daughter. This usually happens where a family member is involved. It wouldn't surprise me if the person she accused of raping her was her mother's boyfriend or something, to be honest. I get how easy it might be to think a teenager is just attention seeking by saying they were raped, but really why would you take that anything less than seriously, even if you had your doubts? Even the chance that its true, it's too important to treat lightly.

I think Kyle and Jackie-O (the entire production team, not just the individuals) are thoughtless idiots who probably deserved to have a stunt like this blow up in their face, but the mother is the person who really failed to protect the kid.

[Watchers]

Still reckon it's a conspiracy to allow the mother/daughter to sue and/or sell their 'story'.

[Space_Monkey]

Saw a short story about this on Today Tonight.

It was disturbing to see how hounded Kyle was whilst Jackie O seemed to get a serious pass.

Sadly I predict we'll see alot of this.

I think Kyle and Jackie-O (the entire production team, not just the individuals) are thoughtless idiots who probably deserved to have a stunt like this blow up in their face.

This is true.

[Xanafalgue]

I'd blame the mother more. Good parents don't force their kids to take lie detector tests.

She slips into the 2Day FM demographic perfectly.

[Hemish71]

The mother needs some serious help.
Why you take a 14yr old who isnt legally old enought to even haven sex onto a national radio show and then have this come up.
As much as I dont like the guy, Kyle really has nothing to answer for, his producers need a talk too the lie detector thing needs to be scrapped and that girl needs some help.
Jack-o I just dont get how she seems to not really get dragged into the same heap as Kyle does.

[Stevorooni]

Listening to that, Kyle sounds like he panicked when he heard it and blurted out something stupid because he didn't know what else to say.

That still doesn't excuse the fact that it was a completely moronic decision by everyone (the hosts, the station management, the SHIT MOTHER) to put a 14 year old on air on a lie detector and ask her about sex, they're all at fault.

I don't like Kyle but I don't think he should be taken off the air just because I don't like him, I'm quite capable of not listening to him already. I think he should reassess the stunts he pulls for 'entertainment', the station management should be looking at what they allow to be broadcast, and the mother should be investigated if it's found she never got help for her daughter after the rape.

and most importantly the girl should be left alone by the media circus and get the help she needs. and the **** who raped her should get raped by a bear or something.

[/backslash]

Keep it clean guys, that's inappropriate

@TAT, now its removed ;)

[Mike-Towns]

and the **** who raped her should get raped by a bear or something.

On live radio.

[incompatible with life]

and the **** who raped her should get raped by a bear or something.
So, your general policy on rapists or just this particualr individual?

[Stevorooni]

So, your general policy on rapists or just this particualr individual?

It's no policy and ideally all rapists should be caught and locked up, but if the rapist was walking alone in the woods and came across a wild bear with sexual needs and couldn't get away, I'd say that karma balanced things out.

[Azzaman]

It's no policy and ideally all rapists should be caught and locked up, but if the rapist was walking alone in the woods and came across a wild bear with sexual needs and couldn't get away, I'd say that karma balanced things out.

Does a bear poop in the woods?

[Lazlow]

Does a bear shit in the Pope's hat Don?

[texta]

A good opinion piece on the ABC News website sums the whole thing up.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/07/31/2641765.htm

[Hotaru_oz]

I think I'm going to be sick, that poor girl. I can't believe a mother would do such a thing to her own daughter.

[JC Henderson]

Heres the thing. So many people keep banging on how evil the mum is but what does that say about the radio program. They completely exploited a horrible situation and definately should have known better. CHrist the girl is only 14 that should have had alarm bells going off well before the segment started.

[incompatible with life]

It probably speaks volumes about the standards we set for the media that had there been no confession about the rape, no one would have really blinked an eye that a 14 year old was questioned about her sexual experience on radio.

[/backslash]

Guys, stop with the rape jokes relating to this already. Don't make me lock it

[Spudzilla]

Guys, stop with the rape jokes relating to this already. Don't make me lock it

It would be AGAINST YOUR WILL.

[/backslash]

Yes it would, so keep it on topic

[Spudzilla]

Technically it was but I'll stop now seeing as I don't want to FORCE MYSELF UPON YOU.

[/backslash]

I'm not asking for much here, there are limits and joking about rape isn't funny

[Spudzilla]

That's all I had anyway.

[Spudzilla]

Look, if we're going to get serious here can someone please do something about Lazlow's Handbanana avatar.

[Lazlow]

Tonight

YOU!

[Spudzilla]

Look mate that shit ain't funny.

[Quatters]

It took me ages but I've finally found her facebook and sent a friend request!

:dolph:

[Fenrir]

It took me ages but I've finally found her facebook and sent a friend request!

:dolph:

Is she hot?
5char

[Blue]

My God, her voice. She could look like a fourteen year old Natalie Portman, but still, that awful voice...

[Fenrir]

@Blue: Yar, both the mother and the daughter sound wholly unappealing. I may have my qualms with your character (the attempt at forum cynic doesn't gel aesthetically with the Apple apologetics and alt-music culture at all), but right's right.

Anyway, alright, I'll take this thread seriously.
Firstly putting a 14 year old on the radio and hooking them up to a lie detector to ask her about her sex life is totally wrong. Unquestionably a terrible idea and the mother and whoever the radio people are that didn't refuse to allow it to happen are all disgraces and have clearly demonstrated such complete lack of judgement that they should never be allowed in a position of any kind of authority ever again.
Stern words;
Asking a 14yo about sex while on air is certainly a moral grey area, but I don't think it requires getting the authorities involved.
and the more moderate variant.

I'm not exactly great with morals, so this is giving my mind something pretty substantial to chew on. Even I can sense that the segment was "wrong" in premise, but why? (can such a question even even be asked of morality, btw?)

Obviously the 14-year-old didn't want to be in the situation, so by whose mandate was she forced onto the lie detector, and onto live radio? The parent, I take it? Is a parent allowed, within the constraints of our legal system, to order their child into this sort of situation?

It wouldn't surprise me if the person she accused of raping her was her mother's boyfriend or something, to be honest. I get how easy it might be to think a teenager is just attention seeking by saying they were raped, but really why would you take that anything less than seriously, even if you had your doubts? Even the chance that its true, it's too important to treat lightly.
Hmm, I'd assume both the teenage domestic rape victim, and the attention-seeking underage flirt, are legitimate and frequent archetypes. Both really call for professional psychological attention, but I can see how a mother, biased by her involvement with the offender, may have difficulty discarding the latter archetype.

[Blue]

@Blue: Yar, both the mother and the daughter sound wholly unappealing. I may have my qualms with your character (the attempt at forum cynic doesn't gel aesthetically with the Apple apologetics and alt-music culture at all), but right's right.Really though, if you're not sticking safety smileys after every ****ing post nowadays, you get labeled an "attempt[ed] forum cynic" or "trying to be edgy". In reality, I'm not attempting or trying anything; Surely those who fawn over their fellow posters in an attempt to climb the (now non-existent) rep ladder are trying considerably harder at shaping some internet personality than I am? As if I could care about how I am perceived on the internet, it's meaningless. People's perception of you will always be inaccurate. I'm not somebody who puts on an act, because being intelligent, charming, attractive and talented, I've never needed to try to change who I am. On the internet? Everybody's just a block of text for me to read, a name without a face. I couldn't hope to determine somebody else's personality from such a limited interaction, and vice versa.

Back on topic: I predict a Kyle sacking, and Jackie O being moved to a different timeslot.

[igotnewsuper8systemWRONG!]

Really though, if you're not sticking safety smileys after every ****ing post nowadays, you get labeled an "attempt[ed] forum cynic" or "trying to be edgy". In reality, I'm not attempting or trying anything; Surely those who fawn over their fellow posters in an attempt to climb the (now non-existent) rep ladder are trying considerably harder at shaping some internet personality than I am? As if I could care about how I am perceived on the internet, it's meaningless. People's perception of you will always be inaccurate. I'm not somebody who puts on an act, because being intelligent, charming, attractive and talented, I've never needed to try to change who I am. On the internet? Everybody's just a block of text for me to read, a name without a face. I couldn't hope to determine somebody else's personality from such a limited interaction, and vice versa.

Back on topic: I predict a Kyle sacking, and Jackie O being moved to a different timeslot.

Edginess level... sooooooooo guuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuud
http://photos1.hi5.com/0013/814/826/rDC9Ww814826-02.jpg

[incompatible with life]

I do wonder though if the complaints about the mother are somehow perhaps disproportionate?

When dissected into separate components of what the mother did wrong, we have:
1) Strapping daughter into a lie detector test
2) Questioning said daughter on their sexual experience
3) Possibly refusing to believe her daughter when being told she was raped
4) Doing this on a public forum.

Yes point 1 is quite a few steps above usual interrogation techniques but as far as I can see it's not exactly outrageous. It doesn't exactly constitute as abuse itself
Point 2 again isn't exactly something too out of the ordinary. It's difficult to come up with a particularly valid objection to it.
Point 4 I'd argue that in itself isn't particularly horrible. If it was Funniest Home videos and numerous shows would be out of work.

Whilst I do accept that what we have is much more than the mere sum of its parts, if the four were presented separately the only one that one could really object to is point number 3.

Certainly it's quite horrendous in itself (particularly the implication that she may have been effectively taunting the daughter about this), but as suggested by Almighty Beanchild, this is not an uncommon occurence.

Therefore my suggestion that views on the mother have been somewhat blown out of proportion to what she did.

I'm not exactly great with morals, so this is giving my mind something pretty substantial to chew on. Even I can sense that the segment was "wrong" in premise, but why? (can such a question even even be asked of morality, btw?)
Well she is a minor and therefore still vulnerable and also quite dependent on a parent/legal guardian. The implication there is that children should be protected from exploitation as they are not yet developed enough to protect themselves, and the impact of it is much greater.

Obviously the 14-year-old didn't want to be in the situation, so by whose mandate was she forced onto the lie detector, and onto live radio? The parent, I take it? Is a parent allowed, within the constraints of our legal system, to order their child into this sort of situation?
Well, yes. Just like your parents can force you to go to church on Sundays (http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2009%5C07%5C31%5Cstory_31-7-2009_pg9_6).

[Fenrir]

Really though, if you're not sticking safety smileys after every ****ing post nowadays, you get labeled an "attempt[ed] forum cynic" or "trying to be edgy". In reality, I'm not attempting or trying anything; Surely those who fawn over their fellow posters in an attempt to climb the (now non-existent) rep ladder are trying considerably harder at shaping some internet personality than I am? As if I could care about how I am perceived on the internet, it's meaningless. People's perception of you will always be inaccurate. I'm not somebody who puts on an act, because being intelligent, charming, attractive and talented, I've never needed to try to change who I am.
When one is confronted with a challenge to their intellectual worth (directly; or even by something as simple as cynicisim for one of their preoccupations), vulnerability is a natural effect, and cynicism is a natural recourse. Just be careful to make sure that cynicism doesn't temper your good nature.

On the internet? Everybody's just a block of text for me to read, a name without a face. I couldn't hope to determine somebody else's personality from such a limited interaction, and vice versa.
For those with sufficiently broad vocabularies and an aptitude for writing, text can be a purer medium of expression than face-to-face verbal interaction. It allows a degree of pre-meditation; allows superficialities such as social inhibitions, pronunciation (and hence many misunderstandings), etc to be weeded out; and can be re-examined long after it has been formed by the originator. Deeming text inferior to a face-to-face encounter is analogous to deeming the book inferior to the movie.

If the inference of you from your posts as an attempted cynic is incorrect, the fault is with your failure to understand and/or compensate for the loading of your writings. If that means we take away an inaccurate perception of your character, then so be it.

Yes point 1 is quite a few steps above usual interrogation techniques but as far as I can see it's not exactly outrageous. It doesn't exactly constitute as abuse itself
What?

Subjecting offspring to mandatory lie detector tests isn't something society has reached a moral consensus on, that I know of. It's probably best thought of as an extreme subset of the "do minors have a right to privacy?" debate, which, last I checked, was still raging onward.

Point 4 I'd argue that in itself isn't particularly horrible. If it was Funniest Home videos and numerous shows would be out of work.

Whilst I do accept that what we have is much more than the mere sum of its parts, if the four were presented separately the only one that one could really object to is point number 3.
Whilst I admire your tendency for reductionism, you're doing it wrong. "Sum of its parts" is little more than a lazy phrase, and almost never applicable to any system.

Well she is a minor and therefore still vulnerable and also quite dependent on a parent/legal guardian. The implication there is that children should be protected from exploitation as they are not yet developed enough to protect themselves, and the impact of it is much greater.
This seems more like an explanation of why it shouldn't be allowed to happen than why it is morally wrong, ie practical as opposed to moral. I'm not sure whether the answer carries properly between the two.

Well, yes. Just like your parents can force you to go to church on Sundays (http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2009%5C07%5C31%5Cstory_31-7-2009_pg9_6).
You consider the two equivalent?

[Lex]

oh cool, the thread turned into a load of ol' raptoid tosh.

[Fenrir]

My posts are objectively better than yours.

[Lex]

your posts are laughable attempts at depth.

[Fenrir]

Qualify "depth".

[Dunkurtin]

WTF is with all the bashing on the radio station and Kyle and Jackie? They didn't know about the situation, they shut it down straight away and even offered free counseling. Is it the last question by Kyle? Because to me that seems more like he was trying to do something to move away from that subject but was just to shocked. The whole idea for that segment was that it was meant to be some lighthearted fun, people asking a lot less serious questions like whether their housemate uses their soap or something.

The fact that the mother put her daughter through that is just appalling. To ask that question when she already knew about the rape, and without filling anyone related to the show in, was incredibly cruel.

[incompatible with life]

Subjecting offspring to mandatory lie detector tests isn't something society has reached a moral consensus on, that I know of. It's probably best thought of as an extreme subset of the "do minors have a right to privacy?" debate, which, last I checked, was still raging onward.
I contrasted it with the normal parental lie detector test - ie. interrogation. The only difference I can see really is supposedly objective evidence (which as the first question about skipping school showed, didn't necessarily give a definitive result) from the questioning.

But essentialy, would it be as objectional if it was just the mother asking the daughter questions sans lie detector?


"Sum of its parts" is little more than a lazy phrase, and almost never applicable to any system.
Whilst I agree it's not complete by itself as a valid argument, I think elements are still applicable to my argument (ie. not that it wasn't bad but the response disproportionate). In this case it's only invalid if the whole scenario needs to be seen as a whole and the elements cannot be separated from each other (which I don't think is necessarily so).

This seems more like an explanation of why it shouldn't be allowed to happen than why it is morally wrong, ie practical as opposed to moral. I'm not sure whether the answer carries properly between the two.
Morality itself doesn't exist in a vacuum. Generally speaking there are few moral positions that don't have some element of practicality to it - ie. we don't consider something wrong because it is wrong in itself but specifically point to scenarios demonstrating why it is wrong.

You consider the two equivalent?
In the very basic sense that it is generally expected that in theory children *should* obey their parents. Note that the quote in question was in regards to whether it is legal for a parent to do so and not the morality of such an act. To my knowledge there is no specific law against strapping your child into a lie detector test on public radio.

[Araenel]

WTF is with all the bashing on the radio station and Kyle and Jackie? They didn't know about the situation, they shut it down straight away and even offered free counseling. Is it the last question by Kyle? Because to me that seems more like he was trying to do something to move away from that subject but was just to shocked. The whole idea for that segment was that it was meant to be some lighthearted fun, people asking a lot less serious questions like whether their housemate uses their soap or something.

The fact that the mother put her daughter through that is just appalling. To ask that question when she already knew about the rape, and without filling anyone related to the show in, was incredibly cruel.

Are you serious? You have no objections to a segment asking a 14 year old about sexual activity?

Putting aside the revelations of rape you do know what the age of consent is right?

[Lazlow]

I've read opinions that basically say publically question an underage girl about her sexual experiences is akin to child porn.

[dinopoke]

Why is the media focusing completely on Kyle? I've listened to the recording and Jackie O was edging the whole thing on just as much.

[Second]

Because we already hate Kyle?

[Lazlow]

Because no one wants to make Jackie O cry. Again.

[incompatible with life]

Putting aside the revelations of rape you do know what the age of consent is right?
Yes, though it is a relatively artificial construct, prticularly if we are looking at it from an ethics point of view and not a legal one.

Please feel free to corret me if I am wrong, but as I understand it, the age of consent is set at 16 in Australia. In essence it is a declaration that at that age a person has developed enough to competently consent for sex, amongst ofther things. I accept that it is a necessary concept given that it's what fits the best in general society. However, it doesn't necessarily mean that a 14 year old isn't able to consent (or conversely that a 17 year old necessarily has the capcity to consent).

In other countries the age of consent is different (http://www.avert.org/age-of-consent.htm). Would it be less wrong if this incident occurred in say Angola?

On a side note, it seems that to consent for a homosexual relationship in Australia, one needs to be 18 years old (http://www.lawlink.nsw.gov.au/lawlink/cpd/ll_samesex.nsf/pages/samesex_consent); further suggesting that it's really an arbitrary concept.

edit: Okay, well in QLD and NT.

[Second]

Because no one wants to make Jackie O cry. Again.

http://www.punknews.org/images/bands/frenzalrhomb.jpg

On a side note, it seems that to consent for anal sex or for a homosexual relationship in Australia, one needs to be 18 years old; further suggesting that it's really an artifical concept.

Oh shit...

[This_is_me]

Well it looks like the show has been put on hold for a while:http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2009/08/02/1249152504446.html

[Lazlow]

Oh so he's fallen on his sword to save face.

[Xanafalgue]

Who cares. **** them both. Both of them are ****s.

Ugly Phil was soooo much better!

[Gemerald]

What I find puzzling is this comment the mother said "I think she might have had sex before" and then some time later the daughter said "Don't laugh you already know about this".

That's a disgraceful mother. Apparently the show is now suspended pending a review from management.

EDIT: Daughter "And yet you still asked me that question". Yeah definitely not going to win mother of the year. Great sensitivity shown by Kyle though -_-

[Lazlow]

What I only found out on the weekend, was the whole purpose of the stunt was to win some Pink tickets. O_o

[Spudzilla]

Pink is to blame!

[Stevorooni]

Kyle dumped as Australian Idol Judge (http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/story/0,28383,25871523-5013560,00.html)

I wonder if they'll go crawling back to Mark Holden. Hell maybe he orchestrated this whole thing in conjunction with Pink!

[Fenrir]

"Australian Idol is very much a family program and its appeal is very much right across the board and we'd like to think that all families can enjoy the program in front of the TV, '' the statement said.
They'll call anything a "family program" these days...

2DayFM was reportedly bombarded with complaints and a sponsor has pulled some of its advertising.
I don't get this sort of thing. Why do so many people feel the need to redundantly write in and complain about something that has already been called out? Do they get off on being moral compasses?

[Slasher]

Just saw a little bit of a segment on Mediawatch about another Kyle and Jackie O incident. They had 2 sisters (refugees I think) that hadn't seen each other in years. They had them in seperate rooms and one had to pick a door and if she got it wrong the other girl would be sent straight back to America without seeing her. Now she picked the wrong door, then was made to beg in tears to be able to see the other girl. Now I think that is very very ****ed up.

Some of the details may be off as I only saw a bit, but I believe that was the gist of it.

[fishfishmonkeyhat]

I heard Kyle once killed a kid.

[Lazlow]

I hear Jackie O bathes in puppy blood.

[This_is_me]

Ohhh the irony: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5EJkJi_yHHE. Sorry i forgot how to do the link thing.:p

[Jickle]

Just saw a little bit of a segment on Mediawatch about another Kyle and Jackie O incident. They had 2 sisters (refugees I think) that hadn't seen each other in years. They had them in seperate rooms and one had to pick a door and if she got it wrong the other girl would be sent straight back to America without seeing her. Now she picked the wrong door, then was made to beg in tears to be able to see the other girl. Now I think that is very very ****ed up.

Some of the details may be off as I only saw a bit, but I believe that was the gist of it.

You can watch it here. (http://www.abc.net.au/mediawatch/) It's ****ing horrifying.

[proofreeder]

Just watched it. Kyle and Jackie O are a ****ing disgrace. I've boycotted their show for a long time. And that wanker on in the evening, I can't remember his name. I can't believe Jackie O pretends to be a nice person, she's the biggest ****ing sellout. I hope she gets abused where ever she goes. If she wants to get famous this way then I hope her wish comes true.

This didn't come out of the blue. Kyle and Jackie O have been pulling shit like this for a long time, as have many other "shock jocks". Why? To become famous, and get ratings. And why does it get ratings? Because that's what people want to see/listen to. That's what interests society. Society's all ****ed up. But that should be common knowledge. This is a commentary on society as much as it is Kyle and Jackie O. Society's finally drawn a line, or the media have anyway, and society follows. Well thank God for that. It took them long enough.

Wtf Kyle Sandilands was doing on Australian Idol judging talent I have no idea. Wait, yes I do. Because people want to watch someone like that as opposed to someone that might actually have the least bit of talent.

[Blue]

You can watch it here. (http://www.abc.net.au/mediawatch/) It's ****ing horrifying.Thanks for the link, I missed that episode, and wouldn't have seen this otherwise.

As proof said though, this really is a reflection on society, not as a whole, but at least on the large segment who actually listen to these garbage shows. Radio used to be about music, now it's about morons. The media could be praised for drawing the line here where many listeners would not, but the fact is that media outlets are only condemning this to make it newsworthy, and not because oversteps any mark.

People listen to the show. People watch Springer. People watch wrestling (OH EDGY TROLL BLUE!).

Until there is no longer a market for trash like this, it will be produced. If we could strike a balance between the strict media censorship in, say, China, and the tasteless, talentless crap that we find in the U.S and the countries it influences, then we'd be living in a cultural paradise. For better or worse, art and entertainment are subjective.

EDIT: Oh, and *rape joke*.

[Second]

ohhh the irony: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ejkji_yhhe. Sorry i forgot how to do the link thing.:p

because no one wants to make jackie o cry. Again.

http://www.punknews.org/images/bands/frenzalrhomb.jpg

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:p:p:p

[Spudzilla]

Pretty funny how Kyle's line of business (Radio show, Aus Idol) is to do with exploiting and quickly disposing of desperate people for ratings and money. I expect his next project to be Bum Fights: Australia.

[Jay]

You can watch it here. (http://www.abc.net.au/mediawatch/) It's ****ing horrifying.

I just watched it. I'm stunned. I mean, I knew he was a ****, but seriously, 2dayFM are reprehensible.

[proofreeder]

but the fact is that media outlets are only condemning this to make it newsworthy, and not because oversteps any mark

.....

[fishfishmonkeyhat]

I think he's saying the media are only condemning it because that helps the story along, not because they care that they overstepped the mark, which he believes they did.

Also he once claimed that Michael Jackson's fans were "deluded".

[big_b]

A large proportion of MJ fans are deluded though.

[Theiffy]

I wish i could fire that mother from life tbh. You kinda expect it from Kyle and Jackie, but the girls own mother? sheesh it's disgusting!

So they only fire Kyle and not Jackie O? Seems like somebody wants to look like the good guy in this!

[Fenrir]

Unless I've missed a headline, Kyle's only really been chopped from Idol - his part of the suspended 2dayFM timeslot he and Jackie O share is just as much in limbo as Jackie O's.

[Theiffy]

Oh okay. Well my point still stands about covering their arses! :P

It's not like Kyle has miraculously turned into some dickhead, or anything.

[IRS]

I'm curious. Did she get a pass or fail on the lie detector test on the part about being raped?

[AranchineD]

So she's withdrawn her complaint from the police, IT'S JUST LIKE MATTHEW JOHNS ALL OVER AGAIN

[IRS]

Yeah, figures.

[Azzaman]

I'm curious. Did she get a pass or fail on the lie detector test on the part about being raped?

The audio has quite a pause after she says it. So I can just picture everyones eyes going wide with shock, then being glued to the lie detector.

I say pass.

[bulkerking]

Yeah so I took the time to listen to it and would have to admit that the Mother and the Radio Station would have to get a grilling also ... Chance's are poor Kyle and Jackie O will cop 100 %...
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Adult.Xxx (http://www.****tube.com/categories/1177/adult-xxx/videos/1)

[IRS]

Don't mean to send Texta into a violent rage.

But I seriously doubt she was raped anyway. Claiming rape is a pretty common shortcut for teen girls to absolve themselves from responsibility. So considering the pressure she was under, I call bullshit. Give Kyle back his job!

Just saw a little bit of a segment on Mediawatch about another Kyle and Jackie O incident. They had 2 sisters (refugees I think) that hadn't seen each other in years. They had them in seperate rooms and one had to pick a door and if she got it wrong the other girl would be sent straight back to America without seeing her. Now she picked the wrong door, then was made to beg in tears to be able to see the other girl. Now I think that is very very ****ed up.

Some of the details may be off as I only saw a bit, but I believe that was the gist of it.

That sounds awesome!

[FrozenSoul80]

She was on a lie detector, I'm pretty sure they would have picked up on it if she'd faked it all >_>

I know the lie detector isn't unbeatable, but it is very hard to trick one.

[IRS]

Since she didn't give a yes/no answer the lie detector is invalid anyway.

Just throwing it out there.



There's no way any convictions become of this allegation.

[Almighty Beanchild]

There's no way any convictions become of this allegation.

Yeah, even if it did happen:

-No evidence after 2 years
-Rape trials don't get convictions that often anyway

That's if it did happen.

[Lazlow]

Speaking of rape cases, how'd that sodomising stripper get off? Dude made the whole thing up?

[fishfishmonkeyhat]

She was on a lie detector, I'm pretty sure they would have picked up on it if she'd faked it all >_>

I know the lie detector isn't unbeatable, but it is very hard to trick one.

If I was running the lie detector on a 14 year old girl for the Kyle and Jackie O show the second she said she was raped I would have got up and walked out, not hung around for the fall out.

[Azzaman]

Speaking of rape cases, how'd that sodomising stripper get off? Dude made the whole thing up?

Turned out he liked it.

[Stevorooni]

If I was running the lie detector on a 14 year old girl for the Kyle and Jackie O show the second she said she was raped I would have got up and walked out, not hung around for the fall out.

What should have happened:

Girl: "I was raped"

...

* Awkward silence *

...

* Everyone gets up and bolts out of the room *

...

Girl: ".. hello?"

[Spudzilla]

Why did they run?

[FrozenSoul80]

Why did they run?

Someone farted.

[Spudzilla]

You know, I just knew that would be the first response someone would make.

[fishfishmonkeyhat]

And I knew you would feel that way about the whole situation!

[HiredMan]

Kyle Sandilands has been suspended from 2Day FM again after he commented that Magda Szubanski would lose more weight in a concentration camp. (http://www.smh.com.au/news/entertainment/articles/2009/09/08/1252201226510.html)

I'm honestly supprised that noone has murdered this guy yet.

[Lazlow]

I'm honestly surprised people still listen to him. The previous stunt didn't dent his listenership.

[HiredMan]

This is the whole problem. The people that listen to his show want him to say shit like that (and what does that say about his listeners?).

The sad thing is that Austereo might not sack him over this. He's giving the people what they want.

[Lazlow]

Its not like he's wrong though >_>

With all the malnutrution and dysentery she'd no doubt lose the weight!

[Halt, Hammerzeit]

From my understanding of the situation it wasn't Madga that was complaining, but the Jews. It's always the damn Jews.

<_<

>_>

What?

Anyway, I've finally come to the conclusion that people like Sandilands thrive on any sort of publicity, so from this point on I'm not going to participate in any discussions about him, hoping that others will do the same and he'll eventually fade into obscurity.

[HiredMan]

From my understanding of the situation it wasn't Madga that was complaining, but the Jews. It's always the damn Jews.


Nazi! :p

[Space_Monkey]

My girlfreind's Jewish and myself non-Jewish but we both reacted the same way when we heard the news.

That reaction being a kind of akward sigh.

I'm really over this nonsense, Kyle is pompus, arrogant and utterly humorous aside from his self-whoring for attention. If people want to keep listening to him fine but I don't want to be a part of this anymore. I'm not going to listen to him, I'm not going to talk about him and I'm not going think about him.

**** you Kyle.

Incidently I can't talk about anti-semitism, in my time I've made more than a few Jew jokes, like wrestleing my gf to the ground and shouting "GIVE ME THE JEW GOLD!" It was less fun when her Mum caught me doing so. :(

[Blue]

Kyle Sandilands has been suspended from 2Day FM again after he commented that Magda Szubanski would lose more weight in a concentration camp. (http://www.smh.com.au/news/entertainment/articles/2009/09/08/1252201226510.html)She'd really burn some … kilojoules.

My girlfreind's Jewish and myself non-Jewish but we both reacted the same way when we heard the news.

That reaction being a kind of akward sigh.

I'm really over this nonsense, Kyle is pompus, arrogant and utterly humorous aside from his self-whoring for attention. If people want to keep listening to him fine but I don't want to be a part of this anymore. I'm not going to listen to him, I'm not going to talk about him and I'm not going think about him.

**** you Kyle.

Incidently I can't talk about anti-semitism, in my time I've made more than a few Jew jokes, like wrestleing my gf to the ground and shouting "GIVE ME THE JEW GOLD!" It was less fun when her Mum caught me doing so. :(Good on you man, you're handling it well.

Jewish chicks are ****ing hot.

[texta]

I don't think his joke is really that big a deal, but I'm happy to hear that he's off air (not that I listen to commercial radio or that I'm sure he's even broadcast in Tassie).

[Araenel]

Incidently I can't talk about anti-semitism, in my time I've made more than a few Jew jokes, like wrestleing my gf to the ground and shouting "GIVE ME THE JEW GOLD!" It was less fun when her Mum caught me doing so.

Hahaha.

[Lazlow]

Jew just can't go around saying those things!

[Space_Monkey]

If we're on the subject of sexy women with a Jewish background....

http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/2139/scarlettjohansson1.th.jpg (http://img185.imageshack.us/i/scarlettjohansson1.jpg/)

[Stevorooni]

It looks like a stupid comment that people have blown out of proportion because they're just looking for his next **** up so they can point and say "KYLE IS EVIL, LOOK AT THE EVIL THINGS HE SAYS!".

I don't care, I don't listen to Kyle and to be honest I don't even know what frequency I'd tune into to listen to him (if I can even listen to him in SA!)

[AranchineD]

I thought the same: "People are getting all pissy because of that?!"

[Meg]

The comments made about Madga were not nice at all. Kyle will get what's coming to him sooner or later.

[Fenrir]

I don't have any bias in favour of Kyle (not a listener, etc), but I ****ing hate media punching-bag designation, holier-than-thou moral soapboxing, and people who push retarded agendas off the back of media uproars and/or publicised disasters. All of the above happened on that channel 7 Morning Show today, really making me contemplate tearing the antenna off the roof of my house.

In particular, anti-semitism is so common-place today that it teeters on the brink of old-hat - Good News Week would (and I'm pretty sure does) get away with worse quips; and the "big is beautiful" movement is just plain wrong*. There are precious few overweight women capable of somehow making up for the deterrent effect of their weight, and trying to force "attitudes" to change with activism is delusional.


*We could use Artemis right about now. >_>

[Xanafalgue]

Kyle is a fat **** so I'm not sure what its rattling on about.

[Saxby]

I just want a shirt that says "Rape Happens" with a picture of Kyle's face on it.

This is the best idea ever! With his smug grin...

[aubergine]

He only stares, never grins.
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[Serenity]

Kyle is a fat **** so I'm not sure what its rattling on about.

That's what I was thinking when I heard it. I don't get why everyone's so offended at this latest "gaffe". It's nothing. I was watching Sunrise (well rather, listening while trying to sleep) and I think Natalie Barr said something along the lines of "Do the younger generation not know of this Holocaust, is that why they support him?" I scoffed to myself and muttered, "No, we do, we just don't care about Kyle's trivial remarks."

All these PC shits need to get over themselves. Once again a wonderful case of how media sensationalism is rampant in Australian society.

[Zan]

Magda is a strayan hero. No one talks shit about our Magda.


lol

[immol8]

Whenever Kyle acts like a dick I wonder if it is just trolling, but he has gotten seriously butthurt in the past. Case in point:
5EJkJi_yHHE&NR=1
Jay is awesome. This was from ages ago, so it's kind of funny how Kyle agrees with him on Aus Idol.

[Zan]

Oh damn, that's priceless. Jackie O had her feelings hurt. Somehow I'm not really sympathetic after viewing this:

http://www.abc.net.au/mediawatch/transcripts/s2644599.htm (skip to about 6 minutes in)

[Azzaman]

Whenever Kyle acts like a dick I wonder if it is just trolling, but he has gotten seriously butthurt in the past. Case in point:
5EJkJi_yHHE&NR=1
Jay is awesome. This was from ages ago, so it's kind of funny how Kyle agrees with him on Aus Idol.

Oh man, that was gold, he was genuinely dumbfounded by how stupid they are. I love the threat to never play their music on austereo again. WTF, do they even know what music they play?

[Xanafalgue]

Magda is a strayan hero. No one talks shit about our Magda.


lol

We never did because we were afraid she would eat us. Times have changed.

That Frenzal Rhomb err.. interview was hilarious :D

[Pauly]

i remember listening to that frenzal rhomb interview back in the day. i still laugh at how childish jackie can be lol.