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aubergine
16-08-2009, 07:22 PM
Here's an article up on Eurogamer on the subject of sane digital download pricing (http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/pricing-on-demand-article), compared to Microsoft's model.

Even though Games On Demand is the main subject it's broad to all download services and the significance for Games On Demand to the whole industry, well it's like boxless gaming is getting serious now that even consoles are doing it.

Watching M$ backpedal on $100 Mass Effect is going to be interesting. Will they ninja-edit the price in the wee hours of the morning one night? Or will they wait many moons and then pretend that they are putting it "on sale" for a price which will still be above or comparable to retail?

The article takes a holistic look at it, briefly but importantly citing $1 games on iPhones. I could potentially play Civ Revolution (bugs and all) or Bookworm for longer than Mass Effect - not to discredit the genius of the game but it's ****ing AU$30-$50 new if you look.

The problem is, SRPs aren't relevant to what consumers actually pay. Routinely discounted 20 per cent by high street stores at launch, with even steeper discounts online, within a month they're in second-hand bins with as much as 50 per cent knocked off. A year later, a game launched at ($120) may be selling for as little as ($40) or even ($30). Besides, SRPs apply only to one small part of the industry.

There's a whole sector worth tens of millions of dollars already where prices range from 59 pence up to £4.99 - the iPhone App Store. There's a billion-dollar product called World of Warcraft, and a host of smaller rivals, which charge a monthly subscription. For some games, the cost is variable - you pay according to how much you play, or which items you want to use. For some, it's free - revenue comes instead through advertising or promotional value.

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There is, quite simply, a fantasy of game pricing and value to which publishers adhere with all the passion of a nun clutching rosary beads on a rapidly sinking ship. In this fantasy, game SRPs are a meaningful measure of what consumers actually pay for games, and the retail prices discussed in executive meetings are a reflection of the perceived value of those games.

Starscream
16-08-2009, 09:18 PM
Mass Effect is now $19.99 US now but $100 for ME for on demand is ridiculous.

Cian
16-08-2009, 09:24 PM
That article makes some good points.


Take 'Alone In The Dark' for instance, a year ago the limited edition cost $120. I got it last week for $19...new. Ridiculous system.

Starscream
17-08-2009, 12:29 AM
Take 'Alone In The Dark' for instance, a year ago the limited edition cost $120. I got it last week for $19...new. Ridiculous system.

If you want to play the latest releases now, you have to pay the release price it's selling at the moment.

I buy the new release games I want to play (at release prices) but the bargain bin/second hand games I also buy far outnumber the new release purchases.

Blue
17-08-2009, 12:45 AM
If you want to play the latest releases now, you have to pay the release price it's selling at the moment.

I buy the new release games I want to play (at release prices) but the bargain bin/second hand games I also buy far outnumber the new release purchases.I haven't paid $120 or more for one game, barring Guitar Hero instrument packs, since Conker's Bad Fur Day on the N64.

I will not pay $120. I will buy it for $89 at JB. Who actually pays $120?

Starscream
17-08-2009, 01:03 AM
I haven't paid $120 or more for one game, barring Guitar Hero instrument packs, since Conker's Bad Fur Day on the N64.

I will not pay $120. I will buy it for $89 at JB. Who actually pays $120?

Uninformed consumers. People who don't know how to price match. GAME/EB victims.

Blue
17-08-2009, 02:12 AM
Uninformed consumers. People who don't know how to price match. GAME/EB victims.Those people aren't connected to LIVE, are they? :p

Games On Demand just sounds awful. From what I can tell, Steam actually gives you some really good deals at times.

TAT
17-08-2009, 03:25 AM
The last game I bought on release (Tales of Vesperia) is still in the box, and I'm playing through several budget titles that I bought first (Crysis, STALKER & Mass Effect funnily enough). I paid less for the 3 budget than I did the new release, and if anything the three PC titles are better games than they were on release due to subsequent patches and updates.

adam_91vn
17-08-2009, 09:40 AM
Apart from GTA IV I have not paid over $60 for a game.

If you just wait a week or so after release someone usually selling a copy on a forum for much less.

Xanafalgue
17-08-2009, 11:02 AM
adam 91vn singlehandedly RUINING the industry.

But I don't think we'll see an improvement in the price of DD'ing in a long, long time. I think that Microsoft do not want to rock the retail boat. Anyone thats owned a Sega Saturn or Dreamcast (or Gamecube) know how precious shelf-space and visibility is for a console! :p

I assume the only reason the prices on Steam are so low is because any higher and the blubbering PC babies would create a petition and just download games from torrents. I think that low prices/perceived vale, game bundles and weekly/monthly specials are a good start in combating piracy... fighting a losing battle to begin with.

sausage
17-08-2009, 11:24 AM
lol using Mass Effect as an example; useless game.


OT: agree with TAT on the "wait until all the bugs are fixed bargain bin ahoy" sentiment. STALKER being a prime example; hell, ANY game nowadays seems to be shipped half finished and bugged up the wazoo.

I'll be arsed if I'm gonna pay 100+ on a game nowadays.

confession: I paid $109.95 for Fallout 3 on PC - totally worth it though kiss my ass

Thraxas
17-08-2009, 11:56 AM
lol using Mass Effect as an example; useless game.

GTFO. It's one of the best games on the 360

sausage
17-08-2009, 12:32 PM
http://usera.ImageCave.com/sillysausage/MEscreeny.jpg

Creedy
17-08-2009, 01:21 PM
That happened to me in Mass Effect and I had the absolute shits as it was on one of the planets that ran at like 5 frames per second. All I could do was sit there and watch myself get killed.

jawsy
17-08-2009, 05:48 PM
You should have just went and played your Playstation.

Cian
17-08-2009, 05:54 PM
lol using Mass Effect as an example; useless game.

You really are a silly sausage.

Cerebral
17-08-2009, 07:03 PM
http://usera.ImageCave.com/sillysausage/MEscreeny.jpg

Are you sure you weren't playing GTAIV instead? Easy mistake to make.

Azzaman
17-08-2009, 07:12 PM
Actually, It's quite obviously red faction guerrilla.

Blue
17-08-2009, 07:21 PM
You should have just went and played your Playstation.You should have just went and learnt English, instead of trying to make a shit joke at Creedy's expense.

Stevorooni
17-08-2009, 07:22 PM
Hey man, you pay that $100 for Mass Effect on demand for the convenience of not having to get up and walk somewhere. Instead you get to wait 2 hours and use 1/4 of your monthly download quota (which costs $50 a month so in effect the game costs you $112.50 in total) and get the game delivered DIRECTLY to your console where you can play it at any time. Until you have to delete it because you run out of hard drive space and then when you want to play it again you have to use up more time and quota. Until Microsoft eventually decides to close down its servers and you lose all access to the game you paid for.

I haven't paid $120 or more for one game, barring Guitar Hero instrument packs, since Conker's Bad Fur Day on the N64.

I will not pay $120. I will buy it for $89 at JB. Who actually pays $120?

Ditto

I haven't paid over $90 for a brand new game for years (except for ones with peripherals), I usually grab the game during the discounted launch period at JB or wherever, or I just wait a few months and pick it up half price from somewhere.

I've mentioned this before but I do get worried about future consoles being digital distribution only because it will remove competition and we will be forced to pay whatever they tell us to. We can only hope that some sort of competition watchdog forces them to allow other digitial distribution choices

Xanafalgue
17-08-2009, 08:42 PM
Can you even flip the Mako?

FrozenSoul80
17-08-2009, 08:58 PM
Can you even flip the Mako?

It only happened to me once, and it was pretty quick to flip itself back.

Cerebral
17-08-2009, 09:18 PM
Yeah, it auto-corrects itself.

sausage
18-08-2009, 06:01 AM
Mako lol; should be TACO!!

Ok, I'll stop now; I've made my point.

aubergine
18-08-2009, 01:01 PM
Hmm. Make tacos...