Eating Dog

[texta]

So a guy in NZ killed and barbecued his dog.

And there are now calls (in NZ at least) for the practice to be outlawed.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/08/17/2657891.htm?site=news

So putting aside cultural differences, do you think that here in Australia there should be laws against killing and eating dogs?

[big_b]

I would have thought there already were laws. Isnt that what the rspca is for?

[Araenel]

Depends whether killing a dog for food falls under cruelty, if it does, what about cows/pigs/chickens?

I wouldn't eat it, but I don't really care about other countries that do.

If it came to a vote here though, I'd probably vote no.

[fearofthesky]

I would have thought there already were laws. Isnt that what the rspca is for?
You would have thought so wouldn't you? But I guess killing an animal isn't cruel in and of itself, as long as its quick and painless. And if you own that animal domestically, I guess thats up to the owner.

There might be cultural reasons-for instance, the Aboriginal people on the northern coast of WA are allowed to eat dugong (sometimes its known as the cow of the sea, its also known as the manatee!) despite it being endangered.

Whose gonna be the first to mention Korea? Oh shi-

[Blue]

Logically, there is nothing wrong with it. Humans eat pretty much any animal under the sun, why should dogs be exempt?

In practice, however, it can **** right off. I eat chicken, beef, pork, fish, maybe duck occasionally, lamb very rarely, and whatever else they sneak into salami. I don't need to eat any other species, I'm fine with that selection. Why is it necessary to eat cats and dogs? There are other animals, that surely taste better. It's like whaling; completely pointless.

[FrozenSoul80]

As long as the dog is killed humainly, it should be legal. We eat many other animals, I don't see why eating dog would immune to being eaten just because it's cute and cuddly.

Personally, I wouldn't eat dog, but it shouldn't be a crime.

[Vindik8or]

It should be legal. I'm not sure about the regulations for slaughtering and butchering animals, but I would suspect that you can do it for private consumption. This shouldn't change, the implications are staggering. If there was cruelty to the animal involved, that's something different, but there's no suggestion of that - where's the problem?

[Araenel]

Logically, there is nothing wrong with it. Humans eat pretty much any animal under the sun, why should dogs be exempt?

In practice, however, it can **** right off. I eat chicken, beef, pork, fish, maybe duck occasionally, lamb very rarely, and whatever else they sneak into salami. I don't need to eat any other species, I'm fine with that selection. Why is it necessary to eat cats and dogs? There are other animals, that surely taste better. It's like whaling; completely pointless.

That's why I don't begrudge other cultures/countries for eating dog, sometimes it is the only option for the poorest people (or at least the option with the most meat per animal, compared to say, rats).

[texta]

I would have thought there already were laws. Isnt that what the rspca is for?

I'm not actually sure what the legal position in Australia is, though it'd be a State issue so it could be different. I believe there are laws on selling dog meat, but I suspect that as long as it's humanely killed it's probably not illegal if you do it yourself.

The RSPCA aims (or should aim) at protecting animals from cruel and inhumane treatment, but I don't think they should be telling us what animals it's okay to eat or not eat.

[Vindik8or]

There might be cultural reasons-for instance, the Aboriginal people on the northern coast of WA are allowed to eat dugong (sometimes its known as the cow of the sea, its also known as the manatee!) despite it being endangered.
Dugongs and manatees are not interchangeable terms - they are two separate species of the same order - sirenia. They are known as sea cows due to their appearance, grazing herbivorous diet and placid demeanour.

[Bronze]

Here in Japan, raw horse is something that's commonly found in restaurants.

Whilst there's no way in hell I'd eat horse, I don't think anything less of the Japanese for eating it. It's part of the culture and cuisine, so who am I to come here and judge them for it?

I know this is inevitably going to lead to someone asking 'what about whale?' but the simple fact is that not many people eat it here. Most people that I've spoken to about it are very anti-whaling. I've never seen it available in any restaurant I've been to in Tokyo, Osaka, nor Kyoto. It seems to me a small minority actually do eat it, and once again it's mostly for cultural reasons.

As for dog? Well... Seeing as we've domesticated them as family pets, it seems barbaric that we'd then go and eat them. I wouldn't touch it with a ten-foot pole. But if people are of the mindset that dog is a food source and they're eating it for economic or cultural reasons (such as in North Korea) then I have no problem with it.

We don't have the same reasons for eating dog in Australia, so I'd have to argue against it.

[fearofthesky]

Dugongs and manatees are not interchangeable terms - they are two separate species of the same order - sirenia. They are known as sea cows due to their appearance, grazing herbivorous diet and placid demeanour.

But if that was the case, this (http://www.weebls-stuff.com/toons/dugong/) wouldn't be half as funny!

[Blue]

But if that was the case, this (http://www.weebls-stuff.com/toons/dugong/) wouldn't be half as funny!Zero divided by two is still zero.

[AranchineD]

Wouldn't eat it myself, but wouldn't look down on anyone who does actually eat it, given that it was killed humanely like any other 'meat' animal would be of course.

Except a Great Dane. I'd love to see what Great Dane tastes like.

[Blue]

Wouldn't eat it myself, but wouldn't look down on anyone who does actually eat it, given that it was killed humanely like any other 'meat' animal would be of course.

Except a Great Dane. I'd love to see what Great Dane tastes like.Ask Shaggy.

[AranchineD]

But I am Shaggy!

Oh.

Oh I see.

[fearofthesky]

Zero divided by two is still zero.

It doesn't have wings...that would be silly...

OK, maybe its more the rose coloured glasses from the net cartoons when I was a young lad...

I remember Hamish and Andy on Rove visiting China and playing a disgusting game. They were presented with cooked and prepared penises from a variety of animals, and they had to guess which animal it came from. If they got it wrong, they had to take a bite. I think one of them had some doggy dick...

Champagne television, I am sure you'll agree...

[BB2K]

Hey: If it tastes good, eat it.

[Stevorooni]

In theory, it should be legal.

Other cultures won't eat cow or pig, things that I enjoy eating so who am I to tell someone not to eat dog? But I wouldn't want people stealing someone's family pet for a snack and I would be disgusted seeing dog in the meat section of Coles but that's my upbringing and the upbringing of the majority of Australians talking there.

So legally: Yes!
Morally: No!

[AranchineD]

But I wouldn't want people stealing someone's family pet for a snack

Though people might laugh (I did!) this actually happened to a mate of mine, a bunch of people jumped into his yard, stole his dog, then drove off (we assumed it was eaten later that day)

[Readman]

I have eaten dog (twice). It's not that great and you can never escape the feeling that you're eating a dog.

[AranchineD]

Dog is a euphemism for 'Chinese prostitute', right?

[Lazlow]

Don't give a shit as long as its legally obtained and treated the same as other livestock.


As for dog? Well... Seeing as we've domesticated them as family pets, it seems barbaric that we'd then go and eat them.

Other livestock are also kept as family pets, doesn't stop the majority of us from eating them. We're not talking about eating your dog, we're talking about eating a dog.

We don't have the same reasons for eating dog in Australia, so I'd have to argue against it.

Australia has largely adopted the delicacies of other cultures, so I don't see why we'd exclude dog on the basis people get uncomfortable with the idea of eating something that is also kept as a companion. We eat rabbit and many children keep them as pets as well.

I know this is inevitably going to lead to someone asking 'what about whale?'

Because you brought up Japan. ;)

And I thought it was pretty widely known that about 1% of Japan actually eats whale, and the battle over whaling was largely political rather than cultural. >_>

Didn't commercial whaling only really pick up after WWII at the insistence of the US?

[Xanafalgue]

*makes shit joke about eating out a $2 hooker*

Well... I don't really mind. As long as the dog isn't a pet, its a bit of a non-issue. There is the question of WHY you would want to eat a dog with so many variations of red meat available to purchase.

[Big Kev]

Though people might laugh (I did!) this actually happened to a mate of mine, a bunch of people jumped into his yard, stole his dog, then drove off (we assumed it was eaten later that day)

That's not funny.

[AranchineD]

Well...that story wasn't what was meant to be funny, it was just referring to the part in Stevo's post where he talking about "people stealing someone's family pet for a snack".

Damn my poor syntax and grammatical structuring!

[Stevorooni]

Don't drag me into this

[AranchineD]

http://www.hyper.com.au/forums/image.php?u=195&dateline=1250770706

[Fenrir]

Here in Japan, raw horse is something that's commonly found in restaurants.

Whilst there's no way in hell I'd eat horse,
It'd probably be a hell of a lot more reasonable on a nutritional basis.

I don't think there should be laws against it, but eating dog seems pretty pointless to me.
The problem is that as you move further up the food chain, you're moving further away from the original source of energy (flora), and much of that energy is wasted supporting the species in between, so you generally get less sustenance from the animal higher up. Dogs are entirely carnivorous, you'd be better off eating whatever herbivores you're feeding it instead.

This seems to be something western society is doing very right - all of our major meat sources are grazers. I don't understand for a second why any other culture would opt for dog-eating, either, it raises the question of what they're feeding the dogs in the first place.

Also, this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_Mawson#Mawson.27s_Australian_Antarctic_Exp edition).

Dog is a euphemism for 'Chinese prostitute', right?
I'll assume so; though I'll also assume that "eat", and derived terms ("eaten" and "eating"), aren't.

[AranchineD]

I'll assume so; though I'll also assume that "eat", and derived terms ("eaten" and "eating"), aren't.

Well you'd be assuming wrong.

Readman is just a monster, plain and simple.

[Blue]

Well you'd be assuming wrong.

Readman is just a monster, plain and simple.No, if you mean that Readman is a cannibal, then he'd be assuming right, by assuming that 'eating' is NOT a euphemism, and should be taken literally. If he was actually assuming wrong, that would mean that 'eating' IS a euphamism, the most likely meaning being oral sex.

The more you know!

[AranchineD]

Look, I'm looking at bare boobies at the moment alright, you could cut me some slack guy.

[Fenrir]

Actually, I daresay the more wholesome thing to do with a Chinese hooker would involve conventional oven-time and cutlery.

[fishfishmonkeyhat]

The only problem with eating a Chinese hooker is that you're hungry 15 minutes later.

http://i348.photobucket.com/albums/q321/fishfishmonkeyhat/Emoticons/BoomTish-Downs.gif

[Second]

Dog is delicious.

[Ad-Rock]

As long as you eat your own dog it should be legal.

[Stevorooni]

I say just to be fair we should allow dogs to eat human meat.

Chum: Now with people!

[AranchineD]

Chum: Now with more literalness!

[sausage]

Replace "Tongan" and "dog" with "European" and "Cow"; same circumstances but in the Indian media and it's the same thing.

This is NZ; we don't eat dogs I'm afraid, and we'd like to keep it that way. If the media uproar and public disdain doesn't drum it into your ignorant ass then maybe you should be made to tow the line or piss off back to where you came from.

Fair is fair if it is practiced internationally.




edit: poll is flawed; needs a 'amibivalent' and 'current laws ok but more education to idiots needed' choices.

[Lazlow]

NZ has a One Nation party?

[sausage]

The universal uproar this created rather makes your retort a long bow to pull.

[Lazlow]

Yes, because short sighted angry mobs are always on the money.

Nevermind the fact you blatantly expressed your belief that immigrants assimilate or f*** right off.

Fact is wider society is uneasy with people eating something that in recent history they've only ever considered as a pet.

But how many other animals are kept for both companionship and sustinence?

[sausage]

Struggling to see a point there but oh well.

[Lazlow]

That you're xenophobic and have an unwillingness to look beyond the status quo.

[texta]

Replace "Tongan" and "dog" with "European" and "Cow"; same circumstances but in the Indian media and it's the same thing.Not at all. Beef is very much on the menu in India, it's just some Hindus who don't eat it.

This is NZ; we don't eat dogs I'm afraid, and we'd like to keep it that way. If the media uproar and public disdain doesn't drum it into your ignorant ass then maybe you should be made to tow the line or piss off back to where you came from.

Fair is fair if it is practiced internationally.I'm not convinced that there actually is a lot of uproar. Certainly there's been some vocal minorities who oppose it, but I haven't seen any evidence that that is a demonstration of a wider majority opinion.

On the other hand it's not a question of morality but of law and if NZ really was so outraged at eating dog there'd be a law against it. And secondly when you view the comments in the article I posted they're overwhelmingly accepting of the premise that eating dog is no different to any other meat.

edit: poll is flawed; needs a 'amibivalent' and 'current laws ok but more education to idiots needed' choices.If you don't have an opinion then don't vote. If you think that the laws are okay but more education is needed then you should vote for the "legal" option.

Unfortunately the poll was not designed for idiots, so I hope my statement has been educational.

[Ad-Rock]

I really don't see what the big deal is. Dogs are just like any other mammal - tasty.

[sausage]

@ Lazlow: Far from it; I welcome immigration and cultural diversity and all the wealth it brings. If you look at a few of my recent threads/posts I think you'll find I am a very liberal person when it comes to the rights of the individual.

If you want unregulated dog meat on the market with the possibility of hydatids-infected meat from polynesian backyard abattoirs and the black market and crime that goes with then SURE; let's put Fido on the BBQ right now shall we?

This issue goes beyond redundant arguments regarding human rights and cultural sensitivity here; it's a bloody health issue.

Cows, chickens et al have the benefit of over 100 years of mistakes to be where they are now. To suddenly tolerate the slaughter and eating of dog by a untrained, unregulated and small sector of the populace is just asking for trouble and has great implications for other legislation relating occupational safety and health, not to mention the Health Department.

To narrow down the argument to a mere ad hominem comment while disregarding the main point of my diatribe does a disservice to you sir.

[Dorkify]

I would gladly eat dog meat.

EDIT: LOL @ 'underground' butcher

[sausage]

If you don't have an opinion then don't vote. If you think that the laws are okay but more education is needed then you should vote for the "legal" option.

Unfortunately the poll was not designed for idiots, so I hope my statement has been educational.

Poor research methodology indeed.

[Dorkify]

I think people are saying that they would eat dog in the context that it was done through legal means; the right Food Safety guidelines etc.

I doubt there is going to be 'illegal' meat flooding the market. What someone does on their private property is their concern. You don't stop farmers from killing their own livestock for a meal.

[AranchineD]

NZ has a One Nation party?

Whites Only Bru

[Lazlow]

@ Lazlow: Far from it; I welcome immigration and cultural diversity and all the wealth it brings. If you look at a few of my recent threads/posts I think you'll find I am a very liberal person when it comes to the rights of the individual.

Sorry but comments like;

This is NZ; we don't eat dogs I'm afraid, and we'd like to keep it that way. If the media uproar and public disdain doesn't drum it into your ignorant ass then maybe you should be made to tow the line or piss off back to where you came from.

contradict any tolerance you claim to have. If its a harmless throwaway comment so be it, but I can only go on what you're communicating.


If you want unregulated dog meat on the market with the possibility of hydatids-infected meat from polynesian backyard abattoirs and the black market and crime that goes with then SURE; let's put Fido on the BBQ right now shall we?

This issue goes beyond redundant arguments regarding human rights and cultural sensitivity here; it's a bloody health issue.

Cows, chickens et al have the benefit of over 100 years of mistakes to be where they are now. To suddenly tolerate the slaughter and eating of dog by a untrained, unregulated and small sector of the populace is just asking for trouble and has great implications for other legislation relating occupational safety and health, not to mention the Health Department.

To narrow down the argument to a mere ad hominem comment while disregarding the main point of my diatribe does a disservice to you sir.

At (http://www.hyper.com.au/forums/showpost.php?p=1105232&postcount=39) no (http://www.hyper.com.au/forums/showpost.php?p=1105240&postcount=41) point (http://www.hyper.com.au/forums/showpost.php?p=1105253&postcount=43) have you ever expressed any health concerns regarding the consumption of dog meat. You've merely been arguing the cultural merits of eating dog.

And any health concerns are spurious at best when many people eat their own catch when fishing or hunting.

[sausage]

Ahh but you see this isn't about me or my opinion.

[Lazlow]

It is when its pertinent to the topic at hand. Why else would you defend it?

[sausage]

Because it is my opinion and questions were asked regarding it. Sheesh.

[Fenrir]

And any health concerns are spurious at best when many people eat their own catch when fishing or hunting.
Bullshit, I covered this earlier.

[Lazlow]

Bullshit, I covered this earlier.

I was referring to the ones sillysausage raised, ie health standards and quality control, not nutritional content.

Probably should have said Safety Concerns.

Because it is my opinion and questions were asked regarding it. Sheesh.

If you don't want people challenging your opinion, best keep it to yourself ;)

[sausage]

I don't mind at all.

[jawsy]

Don't eat dogs, dudes. Dogs are totally awesome and sometimes they chase after frisbees you throw.

[Stevorooni]

Don't eat dogs, dudes. Dogs are totally awesome and sometimes they chase after frisbees you throw.

and your stance on eating frisbees, sir?

[Fenrir]

I was referring to the ones sillysausage raised, ie health standards and quality control, not nutritional content.

Probably should have said Safety Concerns.
I was more referring to Hypervitaminosis A (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypervitaminosis_A#Toxicity_from_eating_liver), but since realized that's only a problem if you eat the liver, and might only happen with polar animals, for all I know. >_>

[banjoeskimo]

It should be legal. I'm not sure about the regulations for slaughtering and butchering animals, but I would suspect that you can do it for private consumption. This shouldn't change, the implications are staggering. If there was cruelty to the animal involved, that's something different, but there's no suggestion of that - where's the problem?

Right on the money. I don't think it's any more weird than eating a cow you've raised yourself, except that you probably won't meet many others in Australia who've done it.

[faceless]

why would you eat your best friend~

[Vindik8or]

Cuz I was hungry and the bastard was looking all delicious.

[fishfishmonkeyhat]

I was in the 2 Dollar shop today and saw a DVD with the title partially obscured; "..cious Puppies".

I was disappointed to see it said Precious and not Delicious.

[kirok]

Dog's are generally very domestic animals and in being so should not be eaten that's just my view, I think it should be illegal as the rspca has spoken out a lot about animal cruelty but as to the way the animal is killed being humane or in humane before consumption is what boils down the argument in my opinion as to legality of eating it.