Shadow Complex

[Bronze]

Just finished Shadow Complex for the second time. Didn't use any guides to 100% it, so I'm pretty proud of myself. ;)

Stats:

Completion time: 5:21:44
Points: 1,194,800 (Time bonus x 2)

Kills: 1236
Points: 1,673,500 (Normal difficulty, no bonus)

Items: 100%
Points: 5,000,000 (Completion bonus x 5)

Total Points: 7,868,300

Not sure why that's not reflected on the leaderboards, but whatever.

Have to say, a couple of things detracted from the game the more I played it. First of all, the Level 20 bonus was a terrible addition to the game and it would have been far more interesting without it.

Secondly, the final piece of your armour is just... cheap. When you can run into a battle against mechs, walkers, machine gunners, and missile launchers but come out literally having taken no damage... well, it removes the challenge somewhat. ;)

And lastly, the story is terrible. But you probably figured that out from the start.

Still, it's easily one of the most enjoyable games on XBLA and well worth the 1200 Points they're asking for it.

[adam_91vn]

I just picked it up

[Creedy]

I just watched the review for Shadow Complex on Gametrailers and there were quite a few framerate issues that I saw. Is there framerate issues in the actual game?

[JC Henderson]

I just watched the review for Shadow Complex on Gametrailers and there were quite a few framerate issues that I saw. Is there framerate issues in the actual game?

Most definately! but not once did it effect gameplay just looked a bit weird.

[Jickle]

I just watched the review for Shadow Complex on Gametrailers and there were quite a few framerate issues that I saw. Is there framerate issues in the actual game?

Most definately! but not once did it effect gameplay just looked a bit weird.

I find the framerate has skipped a little while using the jetpak a few times, but I've never noticed it during a firefight or anything like that. There are issues there, but they're minor enough to not really matter.

[AranchineD]

But that's not the point Jickle, the issue is these kinds of problems would never have happened if the game was on PS3

[jawsy]

There's always something to pick at.

[FrozenSoul80]

It doesn't matter, the game sucks your dick the whole way through so you don't care about any minor flaws.

[aubergine]

It doesn't matter, the game sucks your dick the whole way through so you don't care about any minor flaws.

That is the greatest game review of all time.

[Watchers]

While we're picking at shit:

- Health not completely refilling in save rooms is ****ing annoying,especially when I make it to a save room with low health, and there's a hard battle immediately after said saferoom.
- The aiming (especially the in-to-screen auto aiming) seems really inconsistent, and it's giving me the shits.

[Bronze]

While we're picking at shit:

- Health not completely refilling in save rooms is ****ing annoying,especially when I make it to a save room with low health, and there's a hard battle immediately after said saferoom.
- The aiming (especially the in-to-screen auto aiming) seems really inconsistent, and it's giving me the shits.

Yeah, both of those things are quite annoying.

The aiming gets a lot easier once your precision increases though. Around level 25 with the best gun, I was literally running through (and taking out) entire rooms of enemies with no trouble at all.

[Thraxas]

Yeah, both of those things are quite annoying.

The aiming gets a lot easier once your precision increases though. Around level 25 with the best gun, I was literally running through (and taking out) entire rooms of enemies with no trouble at all.

I never had a problem with the aiming...

Is that last gun the shotgun type thing because if it is, it's awesome... blowing away two guys standing near each other is incredible...

Apparently there is a 19 minute speed run of the game, but I've yet to find it online :eek:

[Bronze]

Yeah, you can send an enemy flying across the room with it. Very satisfying, and a lot of fun!

[Jickle]

I just accidently finished the game. Is there a way to restart it with all my equipment?

[FrozenSoul80]

How do I prevent myself from accidentally finishing the game?

[Bronze]

I just accidently finished the game. Is there a way to restart it with all my equipment?

Unfortunately not. When you restart you keep your current level (and level-related bonuses) but nothing else.

How do I prevent myself from accidentally finishing the game?

Follow the blue line. Don't deviate from it until you've got all parts of your suit (minus the one behind the 12 keycard doors). If you inadvertantly trigger a certain event in the game, you're permanently blocked from getting your final gun upgrade (and can't get 100% item completion). To get that upgrade you need the suit upgrades the blue line guided you to previously.

[Thraxas]

Yeah I know I'm at the end of the game as I picked up the shotgun... so instead of going where the blue line is telling me I'm just running around the complex trying to get 100%... I think I'm 82% of the map 55% items at the moment... and level 16 I believe

EDIT
Just curious, how much like this is Castlevania? Because I love this game and if that is similar I want to get it too...

[Citizen Erased]

I am loving this game, but the only thing missing from Shadow Complex is the screw attack.

[FrozenSoul80]

Just curious, how much like this is Castlevania? Because I love this game and if that is similar I want to get it too...

Fairly similar, only it has a gothic feel to it. The only real difference is the setting.

Should I keep following the blue line after I have to escape from the exploding room just after getting the shotgun? Will continuing on lead me to finishing the game?

[JC Henderson]

Castlevania is much harder too. You will probably need a guide more than Shadow if you want everything.

On a side note I am going for 100% but can't find my way over to the right hand side of the map without having to go past the final boss and trigger that. Frustrating

[Jickle]

I just restarted on Hardcore. I don't know that I'll actually go for 100%, I just wanted to play it again. I might aim to hit Level 50.

[Thraxas]

@Frozen Soul

I think if you want to get everything it's easier to do it before the exploding room. I don't know how close to the end it is though, as this is where I have stopped to get 100%

Well I think I'll try out Castlevania then, I like gothic settings.

[Bronze]

@FS80: Completing that section will trigger the end boss in a different area. If you keep following the line you'll finish the game.

[FrozenSoul80]

Well I think I'll try out Castlevania then, I like gothic settings.

Try and track down the GBA ones. I got lucky and found a copy of the two-in-one cartridge at EB games about a year ago. There is also a Castlevania port of the PS1 version up on Live, you can download the demo to try it out. Form memory it's only 400 points, too.

@FS80: Completing that section will trigger the end boss in a different area. If you keep following the line you'll finish the game.

Guess I'll avoid that area and look around. This game really needs some kind of teleport system, moving around from one area to the next takes forever.

[Creedy]

But that's not the point Jickle, the issue is these kinds of problems would never have happened if the game was on PS3

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I'm actually awaiting and hoping for a PC version, yes because I know the framerate will be perfect on my rig.

[Shorty]

That's not really a guarantee on PCs, either.

[AranchineD]

But there is a PC version coming, I'm sure I heard about it somewhere.

[Bronze]

I never noticed any framerate issues while I was playing through it twice.

I must have been too busy enjoying myself instead of nitpicking.

And yeah, a PC version was announced around the same time it was unveiled at E3. Not sure how they'd effectively implement aiming on the PC version though. Seems like the kind of thing you wouldn't be able to accurately pull off with a keyboard and mouse. Happy to be proven wrong if anyone's got other examples.

[Cerebral]

A mouse using a pointer I'd imagine (like Wii games).

[Shorty]

And yeah, a PC version was announced around the same time it was unveiled at E3. Not sure how they'd effectively implement aiming on the PC version though. Seems like the kind of thing you wouldn't be able to accurately pull off with a keyboard and mouse. Happy to be proven wrong if anyone's got other examples.

Abuse (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abuse_(video_game)) instantly comes to mind. They even made an iPhone version of it.

[SOX]

Abuse (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abuse_(video_game)) instantly comes to mind. They even made an iPhone version of it.

Man Abuse, was awesome - each time I would replay it I would find a new secret area I missed on the previous run.

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I'm actually awaiting and hoping for a PC version, yes because I know the framerate will be perfect on my rig.

Just to be clear here - you are saying that even if it was on the PSN store right now you would still wait for the PC version?

[FrozenSoul80]

Insanity. Play it now, I'm serious. I'm the first person to whinge and complain about things, but this is one of the few games I have ever played that I have zero complaints about.

[Thraxas]

I thought they cancelled the PC version and made it an XBLA exclusive.

[Lex]

what an awesome few weeks of arcade, I've barely got the time to play them all. anyone know what's next?

[Thraxas]

I'm still on my first run through of Shadow Complex because I'm determined to get 100% before I do a second run through, unless this isn't possible... I've found all of the gold bars, and I'm just wondering if these gold weapons stay available in the next run through or do I need to find all the gold bars again.

[Jickle]

what an awesome few weeks of arcade, I've barely got the time to play them all. anyone know what's next?

Watchmen Ep 2, I believe. Avoid it.

[AranchineD]

Well with all this Shadow Complex discussion, I guess here is the best place to remind you all:

If you support gay rights, you should boycott Shadow Compex (http://www.kotaku.com.au/2009/08/in-moral-debate-about-shadow-complex-both-sides-have-their-say/#more-352182)

[Citizen Erased]

Let me try and understand this, the guy wants to boycott the game becasue the writer of the story might be slightly homophopic.

Worst. Boycott. Ever

[FrozenSoul80]

If you boycott Shadow Complex you are supporting Communism.

[Bronze]

I heartily endorse this product, and not this event.

[Jay]

It's kind of a moot point considering how little involvement he had in the actual production of the game, and, more importantly, that the game itself does not in any way propagate those types of opinions.

I'm sure we all work and interact with people everyday who have views we would find difficult to ratify. That doesn't mean we are supporting said views. IMO.

[FrozenSoul80]

Shadow Complex just patched itself for me. This probably fixes the bug that prevents you seeing a cutscene if you get 100%.

[Thraxas]

So I've got 99% of the map unlocked and I'm guessing once I find all the card keys and get the fusion helmet that that will be the 100%. But I still have 5 items (2 card keys, 1 foam upgrade, 1 missile upgrade and 1 other thing) that I haven't got. BUt I don't have any "?" on the map.

I've found everything else without a guide and I don't really want to check one now to see where they are, but shouldn't I still have "?" if I haven't found everything.

[Bronze]

If one of those items items happens to be in a save room, the question mark won't show up.

Also, once you hit Level 20, a few question marks might show up on your map in unexpected places.

[Thraxas]

If one of those items items happens to be in a save room, the question mark won't show up.

Also, once you hit Level 20, a few question marks might show up on your map in unexpected places.

Ok thanks, I'll check the save rooms.

[Creedy]

Just to be clear here - you are saying that even if it was on the PSN store right now you would still wait for the PC version?

Yes of course.

[FrozenSoul80]

If one of those items items happens to be in a save room, the question mark won't show up.

Also, once you hit Level 20, a few question marks might show up on your map in unexpected places.

... Oh for ****s sake. Guess I'll have to work on leveling up to level 20. I think I'm level 11 :/

[grimace06]

Yes of course.

Out of curiosity - why do minor framerate issues bother you so much?

Obviously the issues aren't big enough to stop reviewers giving the game a good score or from everybody else enjoying this game.

[Thraxas]

... Oh for ****s sake. Guess I'll have to work on leveling up to level 20. I think I'm level 11 :/

Well I'm level 19 so I might just run around melee killing things with the golden shotgun for the bonus xp until I hit 20, and then see where they are because I'll be buggered if I can find them :D

EDIT
Well a couple of the items were hidden in places I thought I had been! Anyway I finally got 100% items and THEN reached level 20.

[Creedy]

Out of curiosity - why do minor framerate issues bother you so much?

Out of curiosity, why does it bother you so much that I want a smooth framerate?
If I can get the smoother framerate on my PC why shouldn't I wait for that version?

[SOX]

It's just in the past you have proved yourself to be a Sony zealot so everyone doubts everything you type :/

[Creedy]

I'm quite over consoles at the moment, after seeing how much better Assassin's Creed and Resident Evil 5 look on PC there's just no competition. Third party titles look like arse on PS3 and X360.

Also Shadow Complex will most likely use the X360 control pad on PC too.

[Watchers]

Because RE4 on PC turned out so well...

[Bronze]

Out of curiosity, why does it bother you so much that I want a smooth framerate?
If I can get the smoother framerate on my PC why shouldn't I wait for that version?

It's just that you seem to value framerate over fun. Quite an odd stance.

Especially odd considering the generally proven inferiority of PS3 ports of multiplatform games. But lets not go there (http://www.joystiq.com/2009/06/17/ghostbusters-on-ps3-lags-behind-360-version-developer-explains/).

You may very well get a smoother framerate out of your PC, but I'm playing Shadow Complex for the third time on Xbox 360 and still having a blast. Haven't noticed any framerate problems whatsoever.

Enjoy your wait. :)

[grimace06]

Out of curiosity, why does it bother you so much that I want a smooth framerate?
If I can get the smoother framerate on my PC why shouldn't I wait for that version?

I asked an honest question mate.

[Thraxas]

I think once I experienced some lag, when entering hyperspeed. Other than that it hasn't been an issue that I've noticed.

[Shorty]

It's just in the past you have proved yourself to be a Sony zealot so everyone doubts everything you type :/

I'm quite over consoles at the moment, after seeing how much better Assassin's Creed and Resident Evil 5 look on PC there's just no competition. Third party titles look like arse on PS3 and X360.

Also Shadow Complex will most likely use the X360 control pad on PC too.

Looks like he's morphed into a PC zealot, now. :p

Anyway, I'm with Bronze on this one. I've had so much fun playing the game that a couple of framerate dips are but blips on the radar. Although I must admit I'm intrigued at the thought of playing this game with keyboard and mouse, Abuse-style.

[Pai Mel]

It's all about Achievement Points though (in which case I should hang my head in shame :p)

[AranchineD]

Because RE4 on PC turned out so well...

Yeah, but Capcom look to have learned from that RE4 disaster.

NOW IT'S IN 3D!

[FrozenSoul80]

Add me to the list of people who accidentally finished the game. Oh well, it gives me an excuse to play it again and aim for 100%.

[Clockw0rk]

Are you supposed to pick up missiles after the foam gun, or have I done something wrong and missed them?

[FrozenSoul80]

Missiles come after the foam gun, just keep following the blue line until you get the shotgun. Stop after that and avoid the room it points you to, unless you want to finish the game.

[Clockw0rk]

Thanks heaps :)
Loving the game, though it sometimes has trouble with enemies in the background. I would have gotten a lot further today except I took time off to break my car :(

[Natrak]

I'm not sure if this has been mentioned, but this is just an FYI for anyone who hasn't yet finished the game and are aiming for 100%, the spot that triggers the ending is the lake where you first encounter a helicopter, if the sun is setting the final sequence will begin if you step onto the pier.

[Xanafalgue]

Declaring Shadow Complex my GOTY was a bit premature, it was good but not great. I had 99% of the items, could NOT be ****ed finding the last armour defence/shield thingy.

I was inspired to purchase Castlevania: SOTN, though :D

[Thraxas]

Just finished my first run through of shadow complex, and got my 100% run at the same time. Scored just over 7.5 million too, which was nice....

Now I'll go for the minimalist run through... awesome game...

[FrozenSoul80]

I'm on my second play-through and I decided to up to difficulty to hard. ****, this is punishing. If you stay out on the open for more than a few seconds you are dead.

[RunningMild]

Out of curiosity - why do minor framerate issues bother you so much?

Obviously the issues aren't big enough to stop reviewers giving the game a good score or from everybody else enjoying this game.

I know, right? I mean, I would agree if it was a framerate issue that's so bad it affects the gameplay itself, but everyone has already said that they didn't even notice any framerate problems in SC, and even if they did it didn't affect the gameplay.

This happened in the Turtles In Time thread as well. One video of the SNES version and it was declared to be shit because the framerate wasn't as fast as the arcade version. Never mind that it didn't actually affect the gameplay (which was superior to the arcade version btw) in any way, shape or form...

Seriously Creedy, SC is available to download as a free trial on XBLA. Instead of just writing the game off based on one (possibly dodgy) video, why not just download the demo and actually play the thing before passing judgement?

You may very well get a smoother framerate out of your PC, but I'm playing Shadow Complex for the third time on Xbox 360 and still having a blast. Haven't noticed any framerate problems whatsoever.

Exactly. Why get so worked up over such a minor, inconsequential thing?

[Clockw0rk]

I've noticed framerate issues in a few places, but nothing that's detracted from the gameplay or made it worse to play as a result. The game is brilliant - enough to warrant its own thread, except I'd say most folks are close to finishing it and moving on.

[McChimp]

I went-back from my last save before finishing, am trying my hardest to get that 'fusion helmet' thingo, but I think I need another piece of access-card thingo to get it! Currently scouring all the areas/ secret rooms across the map in an attempt to find it and everything else.

[Natrak]

http://www.jackpattillo.com/shadowcomplex/

A map showing the location of every item, including hotspots that link to youtube videos showing how to get them.

[Jickle]

http://www.jackpattillo.com/shadowcomplex/

A map showing the location of every item, including hotspots that link to youtube videos showing how to get them.

Wow, that's a pretty intense map for a game that only just came out. :p

My second run has gradually evolved into a 100% run, so I can get the Golden Guns and level up a bit then go for a 13% run next time.

As much as I love this game I wish the boss fights were significantly better. On all but one or two of them sitting back and lobbing grenades/missiles is the best strategy. There's very little call to really put any thought into how you fight.

[Sweating Bullets]

Considering how much talk there is about Shadow Complex in this thread - should we create another one and move all the posts in there?

[Jay]

And have a shadow Shadow Complex thread? Sounds a bit...complex. :p

[Jickle]

Let's just discuss Shadow Complex in every thread across the forum.

[Shorty]

Considering how much talk there is about Shadow Complex in this thread - should we create another one and move all the posts in there?

Done. :cool:

[Xanafalgue]

Total Points: 7,868,300

Not sure why that's not reflected on the leaderboards, but whatever.

Yeah, I finished with 6.8 million but its showing it as 1.4, strange.

[Jickle]

I think I may have locked an item away from myself. When you get to the section where you have to lower a bridge so you can build up enough speed to run against the fan in the next room (I hope this description rings a bell), is there any way to get at the water beneath that bridge once it goes down?

I should probably be pissed off, but frankly the prospect of playing through a third and fourth time just excites me more than anything. I'm still going to collect all the gold bars on this run though.

[RunningMild]

Started playing this today, and it's pretty good so far. I'm afraid it will start consuming my life or something...

[HiredMan]

OK, I think I've ****ed up.

Completed it, then went back from the save just before the end sequence to get items. I have about 80% items now, maybe a bit more, but cant seem to get back into the purple section in the upper right part of the world map.

[JC Henderson]

OK, I think I've ****ed up.

Completed it, then went back from the save just before the end sequence to get items. I have about 80% items now, maybe a bit more, but cant seem to get back into the purple section in the upper right part of the world map.

Yeah I did the same thing Hired you can't get there withought triggering the final boss. Have to get that stuff before the exploding room.

[Jay]

Ah shit really? That's freakin' annoying. :(

I missed a couple of health canisters over that side of the map. How tough is the last boss if you've only got 700 health?

[HiredMan]

Yeah I did the same thing Hired you can't get there withought triggering the final boss. Have to get that stuff before the exploding room.

Ah bugger, so if I don't trigger the exploding room, I can run around that area willy nilly before it goes?

[JC Henderson]

Not hard at all I found. There is one of those fill you health up tubs so just keep heading back to that.

[FrozenSoul80]

Last boss is actually pretty easy. I had more trouble with the shielded mech, I couldn't work out how to bring it's shields down, so I just kept shooting it :/

[HiredMan]

Last boss is actually pretty easy. I had more trouble with the shielded mech, I couldn't work out how to bring it's shields down, so I just kept shooting it :/

Yup, same. Couldn't figure out the shields bit so just ended up missile/grenading the ****ing thing until it fell over.....

[Thraxas]

In my first play through I foamed up it's legs, grappled up behind it and pulled it's wires out. Took me ages to do. Second time around I just shot it, it was easier and quicker.

[FrozenSoul80]

I think I may have locked an item away from myself. When you get to the section where you have to lower a bridge so you can build up enough speed to run against the fan in the next room (I hope this description rings a bell), is there any way to get at the water beneath that bridge once it goes down?

Just did the same thing, there is a hatch you can blow open on the floor with a grenade, it allows you to get under the bridge.

[Tonez]

I think I may have locked an item away from myself. When you get to the section where you have to lower a bridge so you can build up enough speed to run against the fan in the next room (I hope this description rings a bell), is there any way to get at the water beneath that bridge once it goes down?

I should probably be pissed off, but frankly the prospect of playing through a third and fourth time just excites me more than anything. I'm still going to collect all the gold bars on this run though.

If no one has answered this dude. It's possible. There is a green (grenades) vent to the right of the bridge that you can blow up and drop into.

FS beat me.

[Tonez]

Ah bugger, so if I don't trigger the exploding room, I can run around that area willy nilly before it goes?

Mate you can still get to the areas, you just can't use the outside to do it. Go through the pink mine shaft at the bottom and you can come back around to the purple area no problems.

[HiredMan]

I tried that, couldn't seem to get through that mineshaft. Tried for a while too :(

[Jickle]

Just did the same thing, there is a hatch you can blow open on the floor with a grenade, it allows you to get under the bridge.

If no one has answered this dude. It's possible. There is a green (grenades) vent to the right of the bridge that you can blow up and drop into.

FS beat me.

Awesome guys, thanks for that.

[NiB]

Had a quick go of this at a mates place on the weekend....for around $20 its pretty decent value and there's nothing like a metroid inspired 2D side scroller to bring back some fond memories.

I'll be taking the xbox round to his place to download it asap

[Citizen Erased]

Q: How do you get that last bit of gear at the southmost part of the map ?

[FrozenSoul80]

Q: How do you get that last bit of gear at the southmost part of the map ?

The helmet behind the forcefields?

Get all 12 passkey components

[NiB]

Currently downloading....

impatiently waiting....

[Clockw0rk]

I rushed to the end and beat it with 50% of items. Last boss was pretty damn simple.

[Bronze]

If you have the final piece of your suit, you can complete the end boss (even on the hardest difficulty) without taking a single point of damage. Very cheap.

[Clockw0rk]

What does the final piece do?

[Thraxas]

If you are standing still, you don't take any damage.

[Clockw0rk]

Wow, that's pretty epic.

[Citizen Erased]

I thought the last piece of equipment it would of been some kind of heat resistant armor. But taking no damage while standing sill sounds cheap.

[Thraxas]

Yeah it's pretty cheap, but for me it was the last item I acquired before triggering the exploding room and doing the final boss, so I didn't really get to use it that much.

Probably not really a spoiler but someone may not know about it.

[Bronze]

Completed all of the Proving Grounds levels.

They honestly weren't too challenging. The final one took a bit of working out, but that's just because it's structured like a miniature version of the actual game.

[HiredMan]

Yeah I've done a few of them. They're pretty fun, and the leaderboard stuff is nice. You don't have to get gold on all of them for the achievement do you?

EDIT: oh, and I've started my second run through after ****ing up the first one. So, in order to be able to get 100% items, I need to stop when I get to the exploding room and go back for anything I've missed before? Basically, I should have the helmet before I go through the exploding room?

[Clockw0rk]

Yeah I've done a few of them. They're pretty fun, and the leaderboard stuff is nice. You don't have to get gold on all of them for the achievement do you?

EDIT: oh, and I've started my second run through after ****ing up the first one. So, in order to be able to get 100% items, I need to stop when I get to the exploding room and go back for anything I've missed before? Basically, I should have the helmet before I go through the exploding room?
That's what I understand. Gonna start a new game tonight, go for 100%.

[HiredMan]

Sweet. Damn I love this game, shitty plot, boring boss battles, thousands of generic grunts and all!

[Clockw0rk]

I love melee attacks, especially once you get the Omega Armour :D
I go out of my way to melee grunts whenever possible, rather than shooting them.

Has anyone else noticed that the enemies that grapple the ceiling and drop grenades are just a copy of the enemies in The Dishwasher that do the same thing?

[Manny M]

I'm pretty addicted to this too. Not sure how far I have to go, but assuming not much since i've got all weapons now.

Has anyone noticed that it compares certain stats of yours against your friends. Like melee kills? Is there any way to look at who's the leader of a certain stat? Just curious to see who's the king of the beatdown.

[Clockw0rk]

How do I get the New Game+ mode? do I just start a new game and it automatically keeps my level?

[HiredMan]

Just start a new game. You'll lose your save data from the old game but your level will carry over.

[Thraxas]

I'm nearly finished with my less than 13% run. I'm currently on 12% and just about to go into the exploding room. I'm only doing it on casual difficulty though as I don't think I could have beaten a couple of the bosses with the minuscule health I have.

[Bronze]

Has anyone noticed that it compares certain stats of yours against your friends. Like melee kills? Is there any way to look at who's the leader of a certain stat? Just curious to see who's the king of the beatdown.

Check the leaderboards from the main menu. Last I checked, Natrak was leading melee kills with around 850. I'm on top of my friends list with headshots with around 450.

[Natrak]

Yeah I've done a few of them. They're pretty fun, and the leaderboard stuff is nice. You don't have to get gold on all of them for the achievement do you?

EDIT: oh, and I've started my second run through after ****ing up the first one. So, in order to be able to get 100% items, I need to stop when I get to the exploding room and go back for anything I've missed before? Basically, I should have the helmet before I go through the exploding room?

I didn't grab the fusion helmet until after I'd done that on my first play through. You can access any part of the complex even if you've set the final part of the game in motion, just avoid the lake.

[Jickle]

Just finished my 100% run. I never bother with things like that, but it was great fun, even though by the end of the game I was far more powerful than anyone could reasonably need to be. For the 13% run, does that just mean skipping over all non-essential upgrades or do you need to sequence break as well?

[Thraxas]

Just finished my 100% run. I never bother with things like that, but it was great fun, even though by the end of the game I was far more powerful than anyone could reasonably need to be. For the 13% run, does that just mean skipping over all non-essential upgrades or do you need to sequence break as well?

Well I accidentally picked up a few guns which I didn't need to and I'm still under 13%, but yeah just skip out all the non essential items. I didn't pick up the grapple hook thing as you can access anywhere without it. I haven't sequence broken at all and I don't think you need to to stay under 13%. Although I believe you get the achievement even if you reach 13%.

[sheeps]

How come nobody has mentioned that the main character is almost a complete rip off of Nathan Drake?

[Bronze]

I'm sure we did somewhere. I remember posting links to Nolan North's wikipedia page.

[HiredMan]

I didn't grab the fusion helmet until after I'd done that on my first play through. You can access any part of the complex even if you've set the final part of the game in motion, just avoid the lake.

Too late now anyway, I've started another run. I seriously tried for about an hour to get up into the top right corner with no luck. I think I'll gust try the "get everything possible before the exploding room" method.

[Sweating Bullets]

14% downloading.
Today I am meant to finish my assignment tho.

[Manny M]

I'd cancel that download in that case.

[Jobasa]

Got 8,954675 points for my completionist run through. The helmet is just silly though, waaaay too overpowered. Loved this game to bits.

[Clockw0rk]

Why aren't you at school?

[Sweating Bullets]

Too late. I will try it out after lunch and post my ramblings here.

[Jobasa]

Why aren't you at school?

Teacher only day. Why aren't you at work?

Also I'm finding the 3rd set of proving gorund challenges pretty difficult.

[Clockw0rk]

I was on my lunch break. Now it's afternoon tea.
Why aren't you studying?
:p

[Jickle]

Minimalist achievement done, in 1 hour 43 minutes (should have taken less but the blue line never showed up to tell me where Claire was >_>) on Casual. Finished with 11% of the items, skipped the pistol, shotgun, triple-jump and grappling rope. I don't think I've ever finished a game three times within nine days of its release before...

[JC Henderson]

I finished in 1 hr and a bit although I got wind of the the sequence break. Still good fun though. I love making foam mountains to climb.

[Manny M]

Finished my first run through today, 100% items. Was pretty sick of running around the map by the end of it though.

I might attempt the minimalist playthrough tomorrow.

[Watchers]

Dunno how far through I am atm, but I'm really not feeling it for this game the way I thought I would. Still fun, just not 'whoamg goty all years' that everyone seems to be making it out to be.

[sheeps]

Downloaded the trial and wont download the game. Controls felt shitty and the aiming into the screen thing is unintuitive and a waste of time. That's my 5 minutes of play review.

[Bronze]

That's generally why reviewers play through games to the end before passing judgement. I had the same initial sentiment and would now call it one of the best games on XBLA.

[Jobasa]

Does anyone else get really annoyed with trying to double or triple jump while running? I can't hold X and press A fast enough without taking my hand off the left stick.

[FrozenSoul80]

Does anyone else get really annoyed with trying to double or triple jump while running? I can't hold X and press A fast enough without taking my hand off the left stick.

What? Hold X with the tip of your thumb, then hit A with the middle of your thumb while still keeping the tip on X. You should have learnt techniques like that as a kid >_>

[Jobasa]

Yeah I do that, but I find it akward, and hard to do quickly.

[Clockw0rk]

Exactly what part of the complex can you not get to when you've activated the endgame? I'm currently at the furthest right hand save point.
Also once you've started sprinting you don't need to hold a direction, he just runs as long as you hold X.

[Sweating Bullets]

Downloaded the trial and wont download the game. Controls felt shitty and the aiming into the screen thing is unintuitive and a waste of time. That's my 5 minutes of play review.

Give it about 20 or 30 minutes before passing judgement.
I started it and thought it was pretty crap but wait until you get upto the first boss fight. The game begins to show its true potential.

[Thraxas]

Also once you've started sprinting you don't need to hold a direction, he just runs as long as you hold X.

Once I worked this out, the whole thing became much easier.

[Clockw0rk]

I've got all the items in the purple area. Where did people get stuck getting to it?

EDIT:
If you're wondering, I got there by heading down towards the bit where there are two save rooms separated by an elevator shaft. The save rooms are connected by a tunnel, you need missiles to blow up the hatches and get through. You can also mess around in the elevator shaft and take a slightly different route, but the tunnel is a lot faster.

[Natrak]

I finished picking up all of the achievements (aside from the extra challenges that don't count towards your gamerscore) today. I also managed a score on the Big One that put me at around rank 70 for the week :D

[naclj]

just need to get lvl 50 and the minimalist run done.

currently doing an insane run to build up exp, not going for items or speed really just following the paths exactly and seeing how hard it is and how long it takes, will go for the minimalist run next, should be really easy with the sequence break now opened up for everyone to see

[Clockw0rk]

Done my 100% run, gonna make a start on the proving grounds and an insane playthrough, which will hopefully net me enough levels to do a Minimalist playthrough.

[naclj]

finished insane in 2.5 hrs last night at approx 50% items, didnt backtrack at all but did try to break sequence a few times thus causing a blow out of time, got no idea how you can get 100% in under 3 hours but at least there arent any minimalist runs on insane as it tends to get quite hard in the end with not much health even with the golden shot gun

i got to lvl 30 on my 100% run, which as far as i can tell is enough for a minimalist run.

if people arent getting there on their first run then i assume you are all playing too easy of a difficulty you need to be "hard" or "insane" to get exp boosts.

i figure ill do some more exploring on my insane game which should boost exp quite quickly.
though insnane does tend to be annoying as there are no ?s on the map for item locations so you need to remember where they are and which ones you have already got.


anyway i must say after my second run ive lost a bit of my desire to continue playing.

i do feel like playing metroid again though

[Antwandemarco]

Got 100% of items now, just need to go finish it now. Might have to do a minimalist run next. Not sure if i can be bothered with getting to level 50...

[JC Henderson]

Level 50 is a real grind for me as I feel I am finished with the game after completing 3 times.

[Sweating Bullets]

Just got the jump pack thing.

How much longer until I can break red and purple stuff?

Also how the heck do I use grenades to break rocks that are high up? The nade ends up coming right back to me.

[Shorty]

Red barriers require the rocket launcher and purple barriers require the foam gun, both of which you'll get later in the story. The grenades you can get into high places by shooting some foam at it and then "sticking" the grenade to the foam.

[Sweating Bullets]

Thanks Shorty!
Unfortunately I will not able to play tonight as I have uni.

[RunningMild]

Played a bit more of this tonight and I'm hooked! I've got that 'Castlevania addiction' where I think 'gotta stop playing at the next save point' then at the save point I'm thinking 'maybe just keep going until the next save point', and it's even worse in this game because you can look at the map and see that there might be a save point just around the corner...

Also got the jet pack and saw what those 'framerate issues' everyone was going on about were. It seems to only happen when you traverse vertical areas quickly, but it has such a minimal effect on the gameplay and is such a small part of the game anyway. Seriously, only the most militant graphics whore would decide not to buy the game for that reason alone... :p

[Jay]

Okay, so I am at 97% items, missing one passkey, the missile pack guarded by the red beams which is a **** to get and the final piece of the suit (for which i need the passkey). According to this map http://www.jackpattillo.com/shadowcomplex/ I have every passkey, and according to my map I am only showing one question mark (the missile pack. Any ideas? :(

[FrozenSoul80]

You are probably missing the passkey that is in the room with the scuba suit.

[Jay]

I know I've got that one before but I'll check it again because maybe that was during my first run. Cheers.

[Jay]

Turns out it was. Good stuff FS. Now just the missile pack to get. It is a prick.

[Clockw0rk]

You are probably missing the passkey that is in the room with the scuba suit.
Sounds like a few people had problems with that, I'm glad I picked it up at the same time as the Scuba Suit.

[banjoeskimo]

Turns out it was. Good stuff FS. Now just the missile pack to get. It is a prick.

Yeah, I had trouble with that. Are you approaching the area from the right or the left?

I've always had the most success coming from the left, as there's a save room nearby that I can use if I mess up. The tricky part is always getting over to the other side of the room from your starting point.

It's still easy to mess up, but I find the best way to make the jump is to do it from a low to mid point and make sure you're holding X to get some extra distance. Then just be very, very careful with your extra jump presses and make sure you don't get too low to the laser. Also make sure the joystick is facing exactly where you want the grapple hook to go for when you fire it. Other than that, good luck.

[Jay]

Cheers. I managed to do it eventually, but what a pain. Oh well, shouldn't complain really as it was probably the only genuinely challenging thing (other than basic map navigation) in the game.

Got my 100%. :)

[Clockw0rk]

How many other people yell out “Falcooonnnnn PUUUUNNNCH!” when melee attacking the minigun guys?
Surely I can’t be the only one.

[FrozenSoul80]

Then just be very, very careful with your extra jump presses and make sure you don't get too low to the laser.

An easier way would have been to build bridges with foam ;)

[Clockw0rk]

An easier way would have been to build bridges with foam ;)
AAARRRGH Dammit I spent like half an hour doing that one.

[Thraxas]

Most of you probably already know this, but I just found out you can use the grapple hook to pull away the shields from the enemies who have them. Also if you first fire foam into one of the red doors which take two missiles to be destroyed it will blow up with only 1 missile.

[Clockw0rk]

Most of you probably already know this, but I just found out you can use the grapple hook to pull away the shields from the enemies who have them. Also if you first fire foam into one of the red doors which take two missiles to be destroyed it will blow up with only 1 missile.
I knew the first one, not the second. The shield guys can also be ground pounded, or just punched once they knock you back.

[FrozenSoul80]

Hitting an enemy with foam and then a grenade is very satisfying, to those who haven't tried it yet.

[Sweating Bullets]

Holy crap this game is HUGE!
I thought I was nearly done but nope! Lot more to get thru.

[Sweating Bullets]

Whew. Just managed to finish it. Am starting it again with the intention of getting 100% items.

But I need to get started on Arkham....

[Jickle]

Five and a third playthroughs, 200/200 points.

Woo.

[NiB]

Finally finished with 100% items, would play thru again for achievments but Arkam awaits...

[RunningMild]

I finally finished this game! I'm not going to 100% it though, I just wanted to finish the story mode before getting stuck into Brutal Legend on Thursday...

XBLA GOTY? I think so. :p

[concrete donkey]

I finally finished this game! I'm not going to 100% it though, I just wanted to finish the story mode before getting stuck into Brutal Legend on Thursday...

XBLA GOTY? I think so. :p

GTOY?! it aint that good. its a decent distraction, which most xbla games are, but it isnt as good as the reviews would have you believe.

[Clockw0rk]

If that's the case, what's your pick for XBLA Game The Of Year?
Shadow Complex is brilliant, and you are an idiot.

[aubergine]

I think he read "GOTY" and not "XBLA GOTY". I've only played the demo but if we can look forward to more stuff like this then the future is bright indeed.

[HiredMan]

GTOY?! it aint that good. its a decent distraction, which most xbla games are, but it isnt as good as the reviews would have you believe.

Well, thats concrete donkey's opinion for ya!

It's my XBLA GOTY for sure (and thats saying something since the excellent BF1943 was also released this year), absolutely loved it and started my third playthrough this week to get the under 13% items achievement.

[Creedy]

I think I'll cave and buy this on XBLA as still no release date for PC. I'll just buy it again if it comes out on Steam.

[HiredMan]

Do it Creedy :)

[concrete donkey]

i think Battlefield 1943 is easliy the best XBLA game. Never mind of the year, ever. Portal was good too, but it was a bit of a re-release..

[Dukotoja]

blehttle field194gay. shadow complex is easily better imo.

[Clockw0rk]

i think Battlefield 1943 is easliy the best XBLA game. Never mind of the year, ever. Portal was good too, but it was a bit of a re-release..
It WAS a re-release. How can it be a "bit" of a re-release when it's the same game, just re-released, separate from The Orange Box?
(Those extra maps were free on PC too btw)

[Jay]

And yet it was still better than 95% of the stuff on the system. Amazing. ;)

[RunningMild]

GTOY?! it aint that good. its a decent distraction, which most xbla games are, but it isnt as good as the reviews would have you believe.

Um, I've played the game through to the end and formulated my own opinion on it. I don't give a shit what the reviews 'would have me believe'. :rolleyes:

I think I'll cave and buy this on XBLA as still no release date for PC. I'll just buy it again if it comes out on Steam.

Common sense prevails! :p

[concrete donkey]

Um, I've played the game through to the end and formulated my own opinion on it. I don't give a shit what the reviews 'would have me believe'. :rolleyes:



Common sense prevails! :p

um, i think your in denial

[RunningMild]

um, i think your in denial

So I'm wrong because my opinion is different to yours. Thank you, that clears things up.

The fact that I've never, ever read a single review for Shadow Complex only strengthens the already strong argument that you're a complete ****ing idiot. :rolleyes:

[concrete donkey]

So I'm wrong because my opinion is different to yours. Thank you, that clears things up.

The fact that I've never, ever read a single review for Shadow Complex only strengthens the already strong argument that you're a complete ****ing idiot. :rolleyes:

now now, dont start bullying me. i think you're singling me out.. and abusive speach... OMG, thats bullying! not nice, friend.

[HiredMan]

No ones bullying you CD, it's just that, as you can see, almost everyone posting in the thread apart from you thinks that Shadow Complex is their XBLA GOTY this year.

We get that its not your GOTY, you've stated that. When the Hyper GOTY threads appear you can vote for BF43!

[Xanafalgue]

Bf:1943 > sc

[RunningMild]

now now, dont start bullying me. i think you're singling me out.. and abusive speach... OMG, thats bullying! not nice, friend.

Curse you and your legal mumbo jumbo! :p

[FrozenSoul80]

Battlefield 1943 would be so much better if it had some more maps. I enjoy the game, but the only map I actually like is Wake Island.

[grimace06]

This game is great but lacks charm or any real "memorable" moments.

Splosion' Man is the best XBLA title this year IMO.

[Nic Xtreme]

GTOY?! it aint that good. its a decent distraction, which most xbla games are, but it isnt as good as the reviews would have you believe.

I'd never have imagined the guy who loves Wii Music, and the dude who pays out anything remotely Nintendo would unite in opinion, but so far the only purchase I've actually regretted on XBLA has been Shadow Complex. It's just such a bland, repetitive, heartless game that I really wish I could get my money back from it :/ I've absolutely no drive or desire to finish the thing beyond the fact I know that it's something I cannot resell and therefore should experience to get value for money.

[Watchers]

I'd never have imagined the guy who loves Wii Music, and the dude who pays out anything remotely Nintendo would unite in opinion, but so far the only purchase I've actually regretted on XBLA has been Shadow Complex. It's just such a bland, repetitive, heartless game that I really wish I could get my money back from it :/ I've absolutely no drive or desire to finish the thing beyond the fact I know that it's something I cannot resell and therefore should experience to get value for money.

It's been well established that you have no taste in games, dude. :p

[Nic Xtreme]

It's been well established that you have no taste in games, dude. :p

*sheds tear*

[concrete donkey]

I'd never have imagined the guy who loves Wii Music, and the dude who pays out anything remotely Nintendo would unite in opinion, but so far the only purchase I've actually regretted on XBLA has been Shadow Complex. It's just such a bland, repetitive, heartless game that I really wish I could get my money back from it :/ I've absolutely no drive or desire to finish the thing beyond the fact I know that it's something I cannot resell and therefore should experience to get value for money.

dude, this is pretty much how i felt about the game. i only finished it bcoz i spent 1200 ****ing points on it :(

[Thraxas]

Honestly I'm amazed people don't like this game. I have had many, many hours of fun playing this.

As for it being XBLA GOTY, for me it's either this or Trials HD.

[RunningMild]

As for it being XBLA GOTY, for me it's either this or Trials HD.

My thoughts exactly.

@ grimace, I played the 'Splosion Man demo and bought the game as a result, but haven't actually played it yet. I might make the effort to play it before year's end for the sake of Hyper voting... ;)

[Bokracroc]

As for it being XBLA GOTY, for me it's either this or Trials HD.
Uno Rush! Uno Rush!
As much fun as Shadow Complex is, Trials as more re-playability. Too bad about the wonky as shit Track sharing.