Star Wars The Old Republic

[dimorphic]

So I have been following this game for a little while because I loved KOTOR I and II so very, very much and trust Bioware to create an MMO that I actually will play (WoW is terrible) and after watching the Gamecon gameplay demo I am pumped!

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It's looking really, really good.

[FrozenSoul80]

I'm still a bit iffy about it being an MMO. I would have preferred another single-player game.

[dimorphic]

I totally agree, I'd have preferred KOTOR III, but as it stands it isn't looking too bad at all.

[Watchers]

If it ends up being anywhere near as fun as the latest vids make out, it should be great.

[Clift]

I've been following myself for a loooong time, I just couldn't be arsed making a thread :p

So far it sounds pretty wicked, definitely hoping it all goes well... I love me some good Star Wars :p

I've noticed on the forums that a lot of people are bitching about the art-style they've gone with... Can't say I have any real issues with it myself. /shrug

[Pauly]

the only problem i have with the art style is the faces. they just look brand. particularly the npcs. check out the cinematic dialogue in video one to see what i'm on about. i love the art style in action but when it focuses in my their faces they just look really silly. other than that i hope bioware just do what they do and make a great game. and hopefully it works as a mmo rather an online/coop story.

[Zan]

Game looks veeery unpolished right now. Just stuff like the green wireframe thing to indicate where to take cover for the smuggler looks really unprofessional, as with the general presentation of the game. The voice acting isn't really compelling either.

Don't get me wrong, I'm following this game and will play it day 1, but these vids have killed by buzz a bit.

[Queenie]

if I can hack limbs off with a lightsaber i'm in.

[Slippery]

Is anyone not going to play a jedi/sith? An obvious problem they'll try and solve but seriously, I can't at the moment see the servers not 50% sith and jedi running around.

[Second]

The game looks interesting and the increased focus on storytelling is certainly very appealing. I'm mostly trying to avoid looking at it, for fear of it being disappointing upon release.

[Ad-Rock]

Looks wicked, but it also raises lots of questions.

Can dark and light side guys group together? What happens if one of your party members makes a decision you disagree with? Will the game world be flooded with Jedi and Sith (the smuggler looked shit)? Will there ways, other than combat, to progress your character (such as trade and diplomacy)?

Any news on a release date?

[Halt, Hammerzeit]

I'm actually quite excited about this. It's the first MMO I've seen that I'd actually play. That could be my rampant SW fanboyism showing through, though.

I'd be interested to see if light and dark characters can be in the same group. It probably wouldn't be so bad if smugglers and bounty hunters disagree, but will a Sith and a Jedi be able to team up? I hope not. I also wonder if you will have the abilty to defect or be a double agent.

Had a look on the official site and there's not word on a released date yet. It just tells you to keep checking their website.

Edit:

If you're avoiding spoilers, such as classes, planets and factions, as well as my interpretations of what that means, don't read below. All the info I got is on [url=http://www.starwarstheoldrepublic.com[/url]

Looking through the website, there's going to eventually be 8 classes, four for the dark side and four for the light side. The website has only annouced three classes, Trooper and Smuggler for the light side and Bounty Hunter for dark side. From the video, we can see that Sith Apprentice is a class as well, which probably means that there's going to be a Jedi Apprentice class too, so we can account for 5 of those 8 classes.

This says to me, the fact that they group the classes in light and dark side says that there's not going to be any room for swapping between light and dark, which is a little disappointing for me. I'm hoping that by the time they release it there will be a facility (or maybe even a quest of some description) that will let you change sides but keep the same class. I'm holding out hope that the remainding three classes that are to be announced will be Bounty Hunter for light side and trooper and smuggler for dark side.

So far there have been four planets announced. They are Ord Mantell, Hutta, Tython and Korriban. I'm hoping that somewhere along the line they'll realise that Hutta is actually called Nal Hutta (that's the SW geek in me coming out) and they'll correct that. Otherwise, there's not a lot of spoiler stuff there.

Obviously, there's two main allegences, Republic and Sith Empire. There's also two factions as well, Jedi Order and Sith Lords, alined with the Republic and Empire respectively.

Sounds like it's shaping up really well. I'm looking forward to this.

[Watchers]

Is anyone not going to play a jedi/sith? An obvious problem they'll try and solve but seriously, I can't at the moment see the servers not 50% sith and jedi running around.

If you play, you'll be the bard class.

[Halt, Hammerzeit]

Is anyone not going to play a jedi/sith? An obvious problem they'll try and solve but seriously, I can't at the moment see the servers not 50% sith and jedi running around.

I'm not. I'd prefer to be something other than Jedi/Sith. I find that Force-using characters just don't do it for me. I'd rather have something else. Don't know whether I'd go light or dark, though.

[Ashmaran]

From what they've said, your light/dark choices are faction independent though. So you can play a Sith that strays towards good, but it will affect your standing with the Sith if you appear soft etc. I also bet that the Sith and Jedi classes will fulfil slightly different roles.

Anyway it looks like its coming along well so far.

[Azzaman]

If you play, you'll be the bard class.

Yeah, if

I think they're splitting the sides of sith/dark and jedi/light in an attempt sort out pvp like WoW. I don't mind it from a gameplay perspective, but from a lore perspective though it kinda goes against all that starwars is about.

[Pauly]

you need to leave lore at the door when getting into games like this. that's one of the many things wow has taught us.

also they have said several times that your actions do matter so i'm assuming you can faction swap with enough effort. although there should be some restrictions.

[Halt, Hammerzeit]

That's what I'm thinking, but it probably won't be an easy thing to do.

[Azzaman]

you need to leave lore at the door when getting into games like this. that's one of the many things wow has taught us.

also they have said several times that your actions do matter so i'm assuming you can faction swap with enough effort. although there should be some restrictions.

Well yeah, but I'm hoping this game actually improves on WoW, unlike every other mmo in the past 5 years (lore and gameplay-wise)

[Pauly]

honestly i don't think there is such a game that can do that till blizzard's next mmo. hope i'm wrong though.

[Blue]

"Great dialogue, compelling choices, cinematic something-or-other..."

What crap. Pretty average voice acting and shitful dialogue. "I'm just here to kill people and cause damage …" /gruff voice

Really though, I couldn't care less about voice acting. I play WoW with the music off and the sound down.

[Slippery]

Yeah the dialogue left something to be desired for sure, better than nothing but its not nearly of the quality of other Bioware titles.

[Halt, Hammerzeit]

I'm not sure why you'd want to make an MMO that had everyone with a voice track. Are people getting so lazy they don't want to read anymore?

[Slippery]

We should have all future conversations in text, the superior form of communication.

[AranchineD]

I'm not sure why you'd want to make an MMO that had everyone with a voice track. Are people getting so lazy they don't want to read anymore?

Weren't you complaining in the Inglourious Basterds thread about having to read too much of the subtitles? >_>


Regardless, there's emotion you can convey clearly and unambiguously with voice that you could never do with text (if the voice acting is actually good, that is!)

[Azzaman]

We should have all future conversations in text, the superior form of communication.

Aren't we doing that right now? ;)

[Halt, Hammerzeit]

Weren't you complaining in the Inglourious Basterds thread about having to read too much of the subtitles? >_>

Difference being that you can take your time reading text in game. In a movie you don't have to read it in a certain amount of time otherwise you don't know what the hell's going on, plus, in that case, it takes away from what is actually happening.

[Pauly]

all i know is i barely read anything when i played wow. it's quite boring reading pages of text that are rather uninspiring. if they actually do this well then it will be a plus.

[Spudzilla]

I just watched some clips on ign and I'm pumped for this. One thing I really overlook in WoW is the narrative and I'll find myself in an instance with a seemingly meaningful event happening and I have no idea what's going on. At lease with this I'll actually listen and pay attention and know why I'm doing something for a quest instead of simply doing it because my quest helper is pointing me in that direction. The worlds look great too

[FrozenSoul80]

One of my biggest concerns with this game is people will just get together and rush quests for experience and gear, which really destroys what made the first two games so good.

[Blue]

One of my biggest concerns with this game is people will just get together and rush quests for experience and gear, which really destroys what made the first two games console RPGs and not MMOs.:p

Really, I'm not fussed about story. Although Star Wars does have a much better basis for good storytelling than WoW. Warcraft lore is just a jumbled mess of corny shit. It's a melting pot. There's too much stupid, convoluted crap to mention. But if you strip it down to the basic stuff like Arthas and Kil'Jaeden and Illidan and Thrall, you can ignore enough extraneous crap to make it a fairly standard tale featuring some interesting characters. Then there are cities appearing because the Titans' cloaking machines stopped working or some crap, and it all gets a bit silly. That's the problem with ret-cons and constant expansion in a game series. Star Wars has the benefit of very controlled canon, that was established with definitive films and books. Plus it isn't lame.

[ThePhotoshop]

Wasn't lame ...





Wasn't.

[AranchineD]

Actually I believe 'isn't' is the correct term, as it can be logically concluded Blue was talking about Star Wars in the context of it as a setting.

[AranchineD]

:megafred:

[Pauly]

I just watched some clips on ign and I'm pumped for this. One thing I really overlook in WoW is the narrative and I'll find myself in an instance with a seemingly meaningful event happening and I have no idea what's going on. At lease with this I'll actually listen and pay attention and know why I'm doing something for a quest instead of simply doing it because my quest helper is pointing me in that direction.
exactly my sentiment. as long as they can do it well.

[Halt, Hammerzeit]

Been keeping an eye on this. The classes announced so far are Trooper, Smuggler, Jedi Knight and Jedi Consular for the light side and Bounty Hunter, Sith Warrior and Imperial Agent for the dark side. Still looking pretty interesting.

[Second]

It was really weird at work the other day. There's this older gentlemen who's been teaching me the tricks of the trade and all that. Very Outdoors type of man. All of a sudden the other day he's like "Man, Star Wars: The Old Republic looks ****ing awesome, man! I can't wait for it to come out."

[Halt, Hammerzeit]

People that aren't geeks that are interested in video games? It doesn't happen, man.

[sausage]

Shit I get that all the time; I'm one of The Ancient Ones being 42 and when I bust out gaming knowledge in the company of younglings they're all over me wanting to polish my lightsaber.

[Halt, Hammerzeit]

Is that some sort of street speak for pedophiles?

[sausage]

Hey hey hey dodgy subject.

[Spudzilla]

I'll be making the jump from WoW to The Old Republic, I think. At least I'll be there to play a MMO on release so I can use some ingenious trick to get a bogus score.

[Spudzilla]

For anyone interested, this takes place 303 years after Revan and Darth Malik run wild all over the galaxy in KOTOR 1

if you go here (http://www.swtor.com/info/holonet/timeline) on the website it has some interesting info on what's actually going on in the game and it's much better than reading blocks of text.

[TAT]

Lance Henrisksen!

[Spudzilla]

Just reading through the website:

Will I see any characters from Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic?

Given that it is approximately 300 years since the events of Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic, many of the characters have passed away. However, their legacy does live on as many of their descendants will be part of Star Wars: The Old Republic. Some droids can last a long time as well.

C'mooooon HK-47

[sausage]

pfft HK-47 was a pussy; actually no he wasn't he was awesome.

[Clift]

I'll be making the jump from WoW to The Old Republic, I think.

I'm in the same boat :p

I'm quite liking the classes they've decided on, hopefully people are finding the non-Jedi / Sith classes as appealing as I am. :D

[Second]

La la la.

Latest video on Combat fills me with hope. I also have a massive erection. May not be related to video.

[Slippery]

Still not convinced.

100 Sith v 100 Jedi. Go.

[Ad-Rock]

The video was rather underwhelming, but perhaps that was because the frame rate of the game scenes was awful.

I think the game is going to struggle to be balanced, but I really, really, really hope it is awesome.

[Second]

http://www.swtor.com/media/trailers/developer-walkthrough

[Spudzilla]

Also the specializations for the Sith Warrior class were revealed a few days ago, which are DPS and Tank. It's also worth noting that these class specializations can be thought as Advanced Classes, each with 3 sets of skill trees, though 1 of those skill trees is the same regardless of your class specialization. So each class can eventually have access to 5 skill trees

Looking at the forums for The Old Republic, it looks like Bounty Hunters are going to be the most popular. If that's the case I might switch to an Imperial Agent, which shouldn't be in danger of having kids playing the class.

[Slippery]

Why does it matter if kids play your class? By picking a class that kids aren't playing, aren't you setting yourself up to have to group with those kids playing the tank, dps etc?

[Spudzilla]

Because I hate kids

[AranchineD]

I'll probably go a female Bounty Hunter, that should be fun for a while.

[Clift]

New cinematic trailer (http://www.swtor.com/media/trailers/hope-cinematic-trailer) is up.

[Second]

http://www.swtor.com/news/news-article/20100618_002

A quick rundown of most of the E3 info.

[Second]

Alright, I might be reading this wrong, but it sounds like they might be limited race/class combos. Very saddening. :(

Still hopeful for some Kel Dor action, however.

[Spudzilla]

http://www.swtor.com/media/trailers/armor-progression

I've noticed that when an update is released it usually involves the Bounty Hunter demonstrating it, probably because they look to be the most popular class just judging by the forum activity.

[Second]

Very true.

Looking forward to making a Kel Dor Trooper as a Ranged Tank if we go Republic side.


Looking at Inquisitor or Agent if we go Sith side though.

[Clift]

'Sif consider going Republic. >_>

Inquisitor and Agent are looking pretty inviting at the moment... Although, knowing me I'll just create one of everything. :p

Also, after watching some of the more recent in-game footage I'm thinking I may need to upgrade my compy before this comes out. :p

[Second]

I can't see the Bounty Hunter or Imperial Agent making a decent Ranged Tank, which is what I'm specifically interested in.

[Clift]

I see your point... But it's the Republic! :p

Is the Smuggler the only class that will utilize cover, or?

[Second]

All classes can use cover, but the Smuggler receives bonuses for doing so. Some abilities can only be used while in cover.

[Clift]

Ah, very good then. :)

I'm now going to do a complete back flip; The Trooper does look pretty sweet. >_>

[Spudzilla]

Because Bioware is at least trying something new with the game mechanics (to WoW at least) I'd be happy playing any class.

[Second]

The choice of race might be the main decision factor for me if they end up limiting which classes they can select.

Gimme some of these, please!

http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20061130130943/starwars/images/thumb/2/24/Kel_Dor_NEGAS.jpg/250px-Kel_Dor_NEGAS.jpg
Kel Dor!

http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20061205192254/starwars/images/thumb/4/4c/Nautolan_NEGAS.jpg/250px-Nautolan_NEGAS.jpg
Nautolan

Miraluka would be nice too, if I end up making a Jedi.

[sausage]

Octo-man for the win; the other dude looks like a Ferengi.

[Second]

Without their breathing masks, the Kel Dor's mouth kinda looks like a smashed poon.

[Clift]

Just had a bit of a laugh at some dumb-arse whinging about the new trailer on the forums because the Jedi pulled down a tree when "Luke struggled to pick up his lightsaber in Episode V"... :p

[Spudzilla]

Oh yeah, there's tons of that sort of shit.

[sausage]

Yeah what a dick, it's pretty obvious he was severely weakened from the attack. God.

[Second]

Don't bother with the forums. 90% of the people there are real Creedys.

[Clift]

Don't bother with the forums. 90% of the people there are real Creedys.

It disturbs me that these people could potentially end up playing the game. :p

[Second]

I've got the KOTOR discs here and... I just can't install it. I remember Mission Vao and I'm instantly put off.

[AranchineD]

You know there's a nude patch for her, right?

[Second]

Is there one that puts her in a schoolgirl outfit? :P

[Spudzilla]

You know you have an opportunity to kill her at the end of game.

[Second]

Installing.

[Spudzilla]

If you get Zaalbar to be like "rawr rawr I give you my life, lift-debt, blah blah" after you rescue him so he basically does whatever you say, you can have him kill her instead and he's like "I HATE YOU!" and you're like "Just do it"

[Second]

Excellent.

[Slippery]

Kotor, worth playing now? I played Kotor 2 but it was kinda crappy at the end.

[sausage]

yes, definitely.

[Spudzilla]

Kotor, worth playing now? I played Kotor 2 but it was kinda crappy at the end.

Kotor 2 falls apart at the end because Bioware was getting pressured to get the game out (I think) so the last couple of areas are all rushed and the game doesn't even have an ending.

But other than that the game rules

[Second]

It wasn't Bioware that did KOTOR2.

[Spudzilla]

Makes sense.

While the ending where Revan is redeemed and the Republic triumphant is considered canonical, there is an alternate ending of the game where Bastila seduces Revan to the dark side of the Force on Lehon. When Revan and Bastila return to the Ebon Hawk, Mission refuses to follow the self-proclaimed Dark Lord of the Sith. Mission didn't believe that Revan had truly fallen back to the dark side, and that if she didn't attack first Revan wouldn't be able to bring himself to kill her in cold blood.

However, she had sorely underestimated the ruthless Sith Lord, and Revan commanded her best friend Zaalbar kill her for him instead. Naturally Zaalbar refused at first, but by manipulating him with the Force and his life-debt, Revan finally convinced him to slay the dumbstruck Mission with a single mighty blow. As if to signify that Revan's fate was now forever set down the dark path, Bastila applauds his callousness and comments that Revan is as dark now as Malak ever was.

It is also possible to attack Mission without convincing Zaalbar to kill her. In this case, Zaalbar abandons his life debt to Revan and protects Mission. Both are killed at the hands of the newly-reborn Darth Revan.

http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20071109003023/starwars/images/5/52/Missiondead.jpg
Mission killed at the hands of Zaalbar.

[Clift]

It wasn't Bioware that did KOTOR2.

Aye, it was Obsidian... Either way, they were rushed to get it finished.

[Natrak]

Biggest problem with at least the beginning of KOTOR is OH MY ****ING GOD STOP ****ING TALKING.

[REQUIEM]

Is there one that puts her in a schoolgirl outfit? :P

Kinkyness FTW.

[Emilbus]

There's a mod (http://www.deadlystream.com/forum/f123/sith-lords-restored-content-mod-final-1-5-version-here-1158.html) that restores alot of the cut content in KotR2. Here (http://www.deadlystream.com/forum/f123/whats-restored-*spoilers*-228.html) is the whole list of stuff that was restored from the original cut (spoiler alert).

[Clift]

New multiplayer combat trailer (http://www.swtor.com/media/trailers/e3-multiplayer-demo) is up.

Seems to be fairly standard MMO group play, although it was good to see the Consular doing more than just spamming heals. :)

I'm still looking forward to it. :D

[Second]

They Devs have spoken about the Consular just doing the healing on the forums. As it was from the consulars PoV they wanted to try and give a wide overview to give everyone a decent look. Normally, they claim, the consular would be right in the action.

[Clift]

I try to avoid the forums, but good to know. :p

[Second]

There's a few threads Spud made me aware of that link to all known interviews and give a run down of all confirmed information. I found the interview through there.

[Spudzilla]

It skips all the "IMMA JEDI :]" posts and just gives you information.

[Second]

Step out of those threads and it's like Barrens Chat.

[Slippery]

The comments are... awful.

I like that you can play as a tentacle head lady, mayhaps if I ever play I'll play as one of them.

[Clift]

There's a few threads Spud made me aware of that link to all known interviews and give a run down of all confirmed information. I found the interview through there.

Care to point me in the same direction? :D

[Second]

http://swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=33345


Within each class forum is a similar thread, but I don't believe they have any new info in those threads.

[Clift]

Ah, thank ye good sir!

[REQUIEM]

WOW with lightsabres I cant wait.

[Spudzilla]

Beta testing has started, but seeing as it's the first time they're doing it, it's only open to North American residents at this stage. Later on they'll be testing how it handles with people playing from around the world, but I don't have an idea when that will be. It's funny seeing people posting on their website "i hav a beast of a comp so i kno ill get in!" and then more level headed people telling them that just puts them into a category from which they will be randomly selected.

Still, to quote dude, everything is "moving forward"

[Clift]

Space combat confirmed (http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=173964). :D

[Quazimodo]

didn't any of you play starwars galaxies before it got nerfed in to a sad WoW clone? entire cities built by players, the most advanced lvling and skill advancment system ever in a mmorpg (the manual was over 300 pages long), space combat, damn not just combat, I had a luxury cruiser with bars and viewing decks (all custom decorated with my own weapons and heads of instance bosses and animals I'd skinned) that could accomodate 30 other players so we could get close to a battle to check out the action in a serious guild fight .......... and to address the jedi/sith problem, if they take an example from what was for 5 years an awesome game it will take you a year or 3 to get close to becoming jedi or sith, and I'm not talking lvling, near impossible feats and getting to locations and items that just aren't part of normal play. And that was just to get "glowy", after that it took another 6 - 12 months to become jedi/sith, which were also infinitely variable classes depending on how u lvld them.

[Second]

Personally, I'd edit my post further so it's not a block of text no one is going to read. But hey, that's just me.

[NiB]

That was the one thing that was awesome about Galaxies. You had to put in heaps and heaps of play just to become a jedi/sith, players had the easy choice of becoming Han Solo types straight away or really working to accomplish something and enjoying the extra power it came with.

Now I know it would suck if you couldn't play as jedi/sith straight away in this gane. I'm just hoping that if you really put in the effort there will be a notable difference (like you become a jedi master or something).

[Queenie]

I just saw the video of space combat.

HOLY ****ING SHIT

Now I want to play this game.

As I cbf shit, its about 2 mins in on the "MMO REPORT"

http://g4tv.com/thefeed/blog/tag/176/the_mmo_report.html

[Pauly]

this game keeps looking better every time i see it!

[aubergine]

Disgrunt slams Old Republic.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2010-10-13-laid-off-ea-dev-old-republic-is-a-joke

[AranchineD]

Here's what I got from that article


WAHHHH THOSE F****S FIRED ME I'M GONNA GET MY REVENGE

[aubergine]

What I get from it is an answer to the current-gen mystery: Why no Star Wars games? All I ****ing want is an outer space dogfighting game ie new Rogue Squadron, Xwing vs Tie Fighter - and maybe the reason this no-brainer never appeared after 4+ years is because The Old Republic is a black hole for development funds.

I think if TOR meets its ambitions it will be a great game I'll never likely play, as I don't do MMOs. Unless it's something that really busts the MMO pattern...

[castr8or]

word from testing is that its not all the great

[Lordage]

word from testing is that its not all the great

omg it's castr8or!

[Natrak]

omg it's castr8or!

omg it's Lordage!

[Spudzilla]

lets all play SWtoR together!

[Halt, Hammerzeit]

What I get from it is an answer to the current-gen mystery: Why no Star Wars games? All I ****ing want is an outer space dogfighting game ie new Rogue Squadron, Xwing vs Tie Fighter - and maybe the reason this no-brainer never appeared after 4+ years is because The Old Republic is a black hole for development funds.

I think if TOR meets its ambitions it will be a great game I'll never likely play, as I don't do MMOs. Unless it's something that really busts the MMO pattern...

What about TFU? OK it's not a flight sim game, but there's 2 of them that have come out in the last couple of years.

I admit that I want a new flight sim game as well, but I'd prefer there be a couple of good SW games than the flood of crap that came out after TPM.

[Lordage]

omg it's Lordage!

Omg! It's NATRAK!

[HiredMan]

lets all play SWtoR together!

Lets not and say we did!

[Spudzilla]

Let's do it and then say we did so when we do say we did we can say it with an air of confidence.

[aubergine]

What about TFU? OK it's not a flight sim game, but there's 2 of them that have come out in the last couple of years.

I admit that I want a new flight sim game as well, but I'd prefer there be a couple of good SW games than the flood of crap that came out after TPM.

I didn't get far in TFU as it's a big pile of poo. In real life when I'm wading through a steaming warm torrent of infectious baboon faeces I usually need a complex rescue operation (such as a helicopter with a winch or some kind of Escher-inspired series of pulleys strung between trees and powered by horses) but when it's simply a metaphor for my experience with a computer game, I can just pop the disc out and snap it.

Atari announced some kind of modern take on an ancient space dogfighter (name escapes me) just yesterday I think.

[Halt, Hammerzeit]

See, apart from the using the force to bring a star destroyer down I really liked TFU. I do miss a good SW flight sim for PC, though. I popped in my copy of X-Wing Alliance and started playing through that again but the disk is scratched and would only play just up to the training missions when you join the Alliance.

[Queenie]

rogue squadron/leader/rebel strike didn't cut it for any of you?

[Munky]

The X-Wing games shit all over the Rogue Squadron games.

Even if they don't want to make a modern update I'd love an XBLA release of X-Wing Alliance. It'd translate pretty well and multiplayer would be awesome.

[aubergine]

rogue squadron/leader/rebel strike didn't cut it for any of you?

Absolutely. I'm talking specifically about THIS generation though! I think Rogue Leader is ten years old! (or best part thereof.)

I mean hasn't anyone else noticed this gaping hole in the current generations (and I guess by association PC) repertoire of games? Not one space combat sim since 360 launched in 2005!

I mean the Adventure game made a comeback, 2D platformers made a comeback, I think every genre of game (sans text adventure) is represented this gen, but not Space Combat? W. T. F.

[AranchineD]

Absolutely. I'm talking specifically about THIS generation though! I think Rogue Leader is ten years old! (or best part thereof.)

I mean hasn't anyone else noticed this gaping hole in the current generations (and I guess by association PC) repertoire of games? Not one space combat sim since 360 launched in 2005!

I mean the Adventure game made a comeback, 2D platformers made a comeback, I think every genre of game (sans text adventure) is represented this gen, but not Space Combat? W. T. F.

Project Sylpheed

[aubergine]

Project Sylpheed

I'll pay that, there's one, which looks like a piece of shit.

[AranchineD]

Even though it isn't?

[aubergine]

I don't think it stacks up against Rogue Leader or even Starfox, the super nintendo one.

The fact I forgot about it's very existence points towards low impressions.

[Halt, Hammerzeit]

rogue squadron/leader/rebel strike didn't cut it for any of you?

They were fun, but I'm more talking about games you can use a joystick for on the PC. Short of going out and buying the latest incarnation for Microsoft Flight Sim, there's not a lot out there.

[aubergine]

I played Rogue Squadron on PC with a joystick.

Now that it comes up, was it actually released on PC? Some guy I knew gave me a pirated copy as a random present, it never occurred to me until then that it might have been ripped somehow from an N64 cartridge. The only ripped game I've had since we bought an Apple IIE with piles of copied games in the 80's.

[Spudzilla]

I remember getting every gold thingy in Rogue Squadron except for this one mission where it was a total neckbeard to get

also the Cadillac cheat was nice

[Halt, Hammerzeit]

I played Rogue Squadron on PC with a joystick.

Now that it comes up, was it actually released on PC? Some guy I knew gave me a pirated copy as a random present, it never occurred to me until then that it might have been ripped somehow from an N64 cartridge. The only ripped game I've had since we bought an Apple IIE with piles of copied games in the 80's.

I think the original Rogue Squadron was on PC, but I don't think the other incarnations have been.

Fake Edit: Google search says original Rogue Squadron only on PC.

[Slippery]

It was on 64 wasn't it?

[Halt, Hammerzeit]

It was but the original Rogue Squadron was the only one in the series on PC.

[aubergine]

Yeah it was definitely on n64, and I didn't think it could possibly be a rip of an n64 title given the resolution. The subsequent games were only on GCN, and I'm wondering why there hasn't been a Wii port of them.

[Halt, Hammerzeit]

Didn't Factor 5 split from Nintendo? That could be a reason for not seeing them on Wii or Virtual Console.

[aubergine]

They did go to Sony to release such classics as Lair and Umm.

[Clift]

Updates from the last two weeks! Warzones (http://www.swtor.com/media/trailers/warzones) and Crafting (http://www.swtor.com/info/systems/crew-skills)

Noticed a speeder bike in the crafting video, so I guess that more or less confirms player vehicles (although we knew they'd have them anyway). :D

I'm getting pretty hyped for this, I must say. :D

[SOX]

Didn't Factor 5 split from Nintendo? That could be a reason for not seeing them on Wii or Virtual Console.

Factor 5 closed down..

[Queenie]

I do remember playing rogue squadron three and solo'ing all of the co-op missions (which was basically rogue leader).

In my neckbeardliest move ever, I did the final mission, controlling both ships at the same time and winning.

[Jay]

neckbeardliest is a magnificent invented adjective.

[aubergine]

It's not invented, it's perfectly cromulent.

[Clift]

Bit more info and a fair bit of in-game stuff was released / shown at PAX East, including the first trailer made solely from in-game footage. :D

All the videos, interviews etc are linked to in this (http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=271322) thread.

I think it's shaping up quite nicely and I'm still just as excited (maybe more so) about it as I was when they first announced it.

It may not be revolutionary in any sense, but it does look very good, imo.

[Queenie]

HOLY SHITBALLS OF SDfSDLFK:SJFLK:JDSFlkSDF:LK;klsdfJkJSDF:LSDF:LKJDS F:LKJDSFLK

sorry cleaning the jizz off of my keyboard.

http://www.swtor.com/media/trailers/return

[Second]

http://www.swtor.com/preorder/?sourceid=eag3015

Pre-order and limited edition crap.

[Spudzilla]

about damn time

[AranchineD]

what do you mean we can't get the collector's edition here in Australia i wanted to pay $250 for a videogame

[Emilbus]

ebUMuuS1AZs

[castr8or]

world of star warcraft? no thanks

[Slippery]

You couldn't just say World of Starcraft? You felt you needed to dumb it down further?

[Clift]

Maybe he felt that would draw too much on the other Blizzard franchise known as Starcraft? I really don't care either way, just putting it out there. :)

Still looking forward to The Old Republic.

[castr8or]

world of star warcraft? no thanks

tbh i'll probably give it a crack, problem is from what I've seen its fairly derivative
I tried to play WoW again about 6 months ago, I lasted 30 minutes.

[bulkerking]

Yeah I know the feeling just can't get into MMO's these days.

[FF Freak]

So discovered today that because Bioware has denied Australia a release date for the time being we can't even order the game online through the EA Origin store. It makes me sad since I am so hyped for this and while I would import a physical copy, I don't want to risk forking out $60 for a game I can't even play.

[Clift]

Just buy it off Amazon, they've already said they aren't going to region lock it.

Also, they announced an open beta of sorts taking place later this month. Anyone who signed up for game testing prior to the 11th of November will get an invite. :D

[Ad-Rock]

If you get a subscription to IGN Prime they'll give you a Beta key. I'm not sure if ~$45 is worth it for a Beta invite though...

[grimace06]

http://www.pcgamer.com/2011/11/14/star-wars-the-old-republic-beta-key-giveaway/

The article isn't entirely clear on when you get your key nor when it'll be open but here's another chance to get in.

[aubergine]

Wouldnt lag be the most effective region lock ever?

[Clift]

You mean the same lag we get in all MMO's without Australian based servers?

Unless of course they somehow made it lag more than the norm...

[Str8JaktJim]

I got invited into the beta today via the main website. Hopefully that means that they're testing out Australian servers, since my info on their site says I'm in Australia.

[Second]

Pretty much everyone who has an account has been invited so they can do a launch simulation. It's just over the weekend that we'll have access.

[Emilbus]

Access to the beta will be staggered throughout the weekend depending in when you RSVP.

[FF Freak]

waiting for the game to download so I can get onto the beta...such a bore.

[Thraxas]

...such a bore.

That's how I feel now I've spent the past 6 hours playing it. I had high hopes but, for me, it didn't deliver.

[Azzaman]

WoW 2.0 if you ask me*


*note I only played about 30 mins though...

[Second]

I got in the first wave, but I really can't be bothered. Everything I've head has made it sound rather boring and a failure.

[AranchineD]

it's pretty shit

[FF Freak]

yeah I haven't been too impressed with what I've played so far. After so long waiting it's disappointing.

[Emilbus]

Posting for reference for anyone interested. Early access starts today at 11pm AEST for those pre-order early and more invites will be stagger across the day/week.

PvP: The Swiftsure
RP-PvE: Begeren Colony
PvE: The Harbinger and Jekk'Jekk Tarr

Servers were picked based on the guild early deployment program.

Edit: They couldn't settle on which PvE server would be the official ones so both of those will have Aussies on them. Here's the breakdown of guilds that participated in the early deployment program.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/lv?key=0ApTWvw8Y4QNHdFdPWTYwY0hObFV0ZzMyakRHRkQ5bm c&toomany=true#gid=0

[ireadtabloids]

Thanks I'll pass this info on.

[^gR]

defs gonna be playing.. unfortunately i just dropped my laptop last week and shattered the screen, $450 repair bill.. me and the gf moved into a new apartment and I havent hooked up internet yet, so.. wont be on it for at least another month

but it looks awesome, from what ive heard theres been mixed reviews about the beta.. but all in all its sposed to be sick

[AranchineD]

but all in all its sposed to be sick

http://i.imgur.com/rSZlM.jpg

[AranchineD]

"But Aran it has more of a focus on story and the story is better and more emotional!"

http://i.imgur.com/K5DL6.jpg

[Nic Xtreme]

What a cluster****. Good ol' (new) Bioware!

[^gR]

damn :( well i guess ive got no choice but to wait anyway, so maybe in a months or two's time shit will be fixed. i'll see what my wow friends who play it say at that time

my experience in wow tells me that you can have a shitboring game and a good community and still have a lot of fun so.. maybe it wont be so bad

[Vindik8or]

Are people still surprised that all MMOs are WoW?

[FrozenSoul80]

So when does KotOR 3 come out?

[aubergine]

They saved money on the licensing and called it Mass Effect 3. It's like Star Wars but with sci fi elements and a story.

[ElPresidente]

It's not a bad game by any means, I think some people are being over-harsh.

What it is though is just another MMO. A very polished MMO but the exact same game that's been done to death many times over already.

I'm not disappointed. It was exactly as I was expecting it to be... which was WoW in SW clothing.

I only grabbed it because I was being hassled to jump on board with some of the GG guys. I'll be surprised if any of us are still playing past month one (I know I've got no plans to play any further than my free 30 days).

Back to waiting for Guild Wars 2 and The Secret World.

[AranchineD]

It's not a bad game by any means

Yes it is. The hotkey combat is bad and boring, rewarding those who can stay awake the longest rather than any sort of skill. The story is boring, shits on the story in the previous KOTOR games, and involves laughably poor light side/dark side decisions. All the quests are just boring fetch quests, or 'go here, right click on object, return to quest giver,' yet because they have a meaningless cutscene before and after you do it people praise the hell out of them. The PvP is dumb, shallow and unbalanced. As posted above there is no end game content. The graphics are awful for a 2011 game and the art direction is uninspired.

yeah, I think that about covers it

[Queenie]

played at a friends house.

first quest was very simple.

go into the basement of this inn and kill the rats.
________________________sith temple____worms

[HiredMan]

Are boxed copies of this out today? Also, are they offering any sort of free/buddy trials?

Cant see this distracting me from EVE TBH.

[Clift]

It isn't officially released in Australia yet. Most people who were interested simply ordered off Amazon.

[Emilbus]

Got my boxed copy yesterday from Amazon and there was no free/buddy trial keys in the box. I guess the Early Access was pretty much a free trial. If you had pre-ordered the game and got the code, i think even if you input the code late (December) you still had access to it for around 4 days plus 2 extra from grace period. We'll see when the game release but based on the early access, this could be one of the most stable MMO launch i've been apart of. Don't want to jinx it but ping is very good on US West coast (160-180ms) and have had no crash or lag of any kind from the 7 days i've played.

[AranchineD]

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[FF Freak]

Aran I think you need to deal with the fact that there are people who are going to liek this game and you are not.

In other news Play-asia still doesn't have their stock which has me considering cancelling my order and getting it from Dungeon Crawl even though it will cost me $20 more.

[Second]

Started up and I'm enjoying it thus far. Only a level 6 Jedi Consular at this stage though.

[AranchineD]

Aran I think you need to deal with the fact that there are people who are going to liek this game and you are not.

In other news Play-asia still doesn't have their stock which has me considering cancelling my order and getting it from Dungeon Crawl even though it will cost me $20 more.

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[AranchineD]

m3LpT4jIZoE

[AranchineD]

JSAyd-1VSHE

[dinopoke]

Finally, the KOTOR sequel I've been waiting for!

[Clift]

36 Sith Sorcerer on Swiftsure. Heal spec, of course. :p

Multiple alts which I haven't gotten around to doing anything noteworthy with, also.

[Second]

8 Jedi Consular (Sage) on Swiftsure.

You are doomed.

[Second]

Healspec also.

[Clift]

A battle of heals! :p

Name? I've got a Trooper too. Probably a Smuggler as well at some point. :)

[Second]

Ruda. Big Surprise.

[FF Freak]

level 19 gunslinger on Krath. Just got space battles and I'm loving this game even more. so much fun.

[aubergine]

Good that people seem to be enjoying themselves. I'm not looking to get this but I'd like to see it succeed.

With any luck they'll spin off some single player RPGs from it if it's a huge success. If it got a tepid response you can bet they'll conclude people don't want Star Wars anymore (and cancel Battlefront/Rogue Squadron/X-Wing vs Tie-Fighter/Dark Forces etc.)

I think we can actually even BLAME ToR for the lack of new Star Wars games. EA would not have been willing to spend even more than the (hundreds of?) millions concurrent to ToRs development, in a sense ToR may have been sucking oxygen from Star Wars games for six years. A massive success would put a lot of loose cash about for new games... one would hope.

[Clift]

Ruda. Big Surprise.

Trooper is Totalis. Not on it very often as I'm trying to juggle between my Agent, Inquisitor and Warrior. :p

I like the fact I can have my Inquisitor running full heal spec and not be useless on my own thanks to companions.

Funny story though, my Sith Warrior is light side and in a Flashpoint the other day when I chose the light side dialog option one of the other group members started going off calling me a homo etc... So I started role-playing which made him flip out even more. Good times. :D

[Second]

My Jedi Sage is also going full heal spec and I love it too! I look forward to improved raid frames though for instances.

Also have a Gunslinger at the moment. (19 I think?). Haven't really fallen in love with this one and have made a second smuggler to become a scoundrel.

[FF Freak]

anyone working on collecting the datacrons? I've walked past a few easy ones without even realising until I looked them up today but seems a lot require small jumping/platforming puzzles.

[Second]

Nice and easy stat bonuses with not much effort (to start off). The balloon ride (which only happens every 40 minute) on Tattoine one sounds horrible though.

[Emilbus]

Saw one in Taris high above on a platform and spent 20 mins looking for a way up but couldn't find it. Will probably try for harder ones at 50. Also there is one hidden behind a doorway in Alderaan but if your body type is 3 or higher you won't be able to access it which I find funny especially when people in general 'looking' for people with body type 1 or 2.

[Str8JaktJim]

Finished reading the Revan Old Republic book. Has Revan going on a quest to find what turned him to the dark side and running into the Sith from Dromund Kaas.

Expect to see Revan making an appearence sometime in the game

[Emilbus]

Expect to see Revan making an appearence sometime in the game[/QUOTE]

Yup, there's a flashpoint that KoTR fans will love.

[AranchineD]

*hate

[AranchineD]

"hey guys we're taking a significant character in the game series, turning him into a one dimensional raid boss and giving you three lines of dialogue total with him! just like the kotor you remember!"

[Cerebral]

p sure they did that with all the good WoW characters

[Cerebral]

*Warcraft

[FF Freak]

Yup, there's a flashpoint that KoTR fans will love.

the only problem with that is the fact that Tor is set 300 years after KotoR 2. I really don't see how they'd explain a human living for that long even if he is a Jedi.

[Second]

http://i.imgur.com/i14IP.jpg

[Clift]

The emperor is well over a thousand years old... I don't think its entirely unrealistic to assume the emperor kept Revan alive through a similar method he uses to keep himself alive. Especially since the emperor was rather interested in how Revan managed to free himself from his control.

Plus, it's Star Wars, they shoot lightning from their hands... I'm not too concerned with realism.

[Second]

How's your game going along, Clifford?

[Clift]

Quite well! Sorcerer is sitting at 48, won't really have a chance to push to 50 until the weekend so I'll probably sink some time into my Trooper... Or maybe start a Smuggler / Jedi. :p

How goes the Republic?

[Second]

Goes well enough. Trying to stay around the same level as my workmates, so I'm sitting at 23 until he can catch up.

My original smugger I made became a Gunslinger and I got to ~20 before decided I'd prefer a Scoundrel... So, I have a second smuggler now at level 10.


I also like the Space Combat, even if it is on rails. Wouldn't mind it if they expanded later on down the track with a bit more freedom.

[dimorphic]

EB are apparently selling gray imports of this.

In other news, I installed W7 via Boot Camp on my iMac so I'm ready to play.

[Ad-Rock]

If I get this game what server are you homos playing on?

[Second]

If I get this game what server are you homos playing on?

Ad-Rock, you do not yet realize your importance. You have only begun to discover your power. Join me, and I will complete your training. With our combined strength, we can end this destructive conflict and bring order to the galaxy.


(Swiftsure)

[Ad-Rock]

What's the easiest way to purchase it?

[Clift]

Quickest would probably be to use a proxy / tunneling doo-hickey, thing to give yourself a US IP address and download from Origin.

Failing that, Amazon / eBay / any place that ships internationally. Someone in here also mentioned EB was selling imported copies though I haven't seen them personally.

Just FYI, Origin isn't needed to play the game, it's just used to distribute it and can be run stand-alone after install.

[Ad-Rock]

thanks mang

[ElPresidente]

Go to a website like allcdkey.com and you'll be playing the day you buy - just be aware you are only getting digital access rather than a physical copy.

[Second]

I went through cjd cd keys

[Bob the Destroyer]

Same, and since Tuesday I haven't had a chance to play with all the server downtime.

Although fixing the bug that stopped enemies attacking you if you danced was probably a good idea.

Destroyerbob, BH, Swiftsure

[Thraxas]

Go to a website like allcdkey.com

I tried to use them a while ago for something, after taking the money off my card they sent an email telling me they wanted me to send a scan of my passport and/or utility documents... So I told them to get ****ed... never did get a refund either :(

[Str8JaktJim]

Never had a place ask for my passport, but EB Games US asks for a fax (and only a fax, not scanning and emailed) of a recent utility bill or bank statement before they ship stuff overseas.

[dimorphic]

Dimorphicau, Swiftsure. Sith Warrior Marauder.

[Second]

What's with all the Empire love?

[dimorphic]

What's with all the Empire love?

Well I wanted to roll Jedi but my housemate had already rolled Sith. As I'm an MMO noob I decided I'll be Empire to start with and he can show me the ropes and once I'm seasoned I'll roll Republic trooper.

[Ad-Rock]

Just before I commit to this, does anyone remember what the size of the download is for the standard edition? I want to make sure I don't cap my internet in the process :S

[Ad-Rock]

Just before I commit to this, does anyone remember what the size of the download is for the standard edition? I want to make sure I don't cap my internet in the process :S

Ah shit looks like I'll have to get a boxed copy... The install size is 27GB according to the faq, and my monthly downloads are limited to 25GB or so TT

[Ad-Rock]

The deed is done...

I took a gamble and went with cjs cd. Downloading it at uni where I have unlimited downloads (I hope) and hopefully where the game client isn't blocked like it used to be for WoW.

[Ad-Rock]

So which class should I play when I get on tonight? I'm thinking Sith Juggernaut or Merc Bounty Hunter (or light side equivalents)...

[Clift]

Bounty Hunter is slightly less common if that makes any difference. :p

Hit 50 on my Sorcerer on Sunday. Been offered a raid spot (or operation spot if you prefer) in two different guilds. Probably turn them both down because I'm not sure if I want to stick with my Sorc / The Empire. Also unsure as to whether I even want to get involved with raiding again. /shrug

[Ad-Rock]

Thanks, I'd prefer to play a relatively uncommon class if there is one. Also thinking maybe imperial agent as a sniper...

[Clift]

Agent / Smuggler are definitely the least represented classes. The story is apparently pretty good for the Agent.

[Ad-Rock]

Thank mang

EDIT: Best game intro ever! Sitting in the swiftsure queue, way to pick a packed server guys :p Man the sith are wankers, but they look so much cooler.

[Clift]

Guess we should've mentioned the queues on Swiftsure. :p

Blame the people who nominated it unofficial Oceanic server, not us! I guess the somewhat good news is Bioware has stated they'll be opening local servers around March. Whether or not they'll actually be local is another story, but the way the announcement was worded made it sound as if they would be.

[FF Freak]

local servers would be awesome.

I've enjoyed the smuggler story so far. Well at least the first act. Not sure what to make of the second chapter since becoming a privateer of the republic forces.

[tau]

Think I'll just wait for the local release, considering the possibility of local servers and stuff possibly being ironed out by then.

[Clift]

They also said they'd open up server transfers for said local server. :p

[tau]

Hm, guess I'll give cid or whatever it is a look then <_<

[Ad-Rock]

started an Imperial Agent to begin with and then tried out Jedi Knight. JK felt much more fluid and the intro seemed much less overwhelming. The cover system feels a bit clunky at first, but I'm sure it will just take some getting used to. Also Hutta would not be a place I'd recommend starting for any MMO noobs, that place is a mess.

EDIT: Mylkyjo, IA, The Swiftsure & Fuzzypeach, JK, The Swiftsure (will definitely be adding more classes to the list!)

[Second]

Feel free to friend me on Swiftsure. Only pain is we both need to be online in order to do so.

Republic:~
Ruda: Jedi Sage - I play this guy mostly when my workmates are online.
Randolph: Gunslinger - Not sure if I'll bother with him any more.
Rudora: Scoundrel - Made him to see how the other half live (and the healing sounds interesting).
Empire:~
Rudra: Agent - I wanted to try out the Empire and I hear the story is good. I'm pretty impressed thus far. I will most likely continue with this guy instead of the smuggler, to be honest.

[Ad-Rock]

Feel free to friend me on Swiftsure. Only pain is we both need to be online in order to do so.

Republic:~
Ruda: Jedi Sage - I play this guy mostly when my workmates are online.
Randolph: Gunslinger - Not sure if I'll bother with him any more.
Rudora: Scoundrel - Made him to see how the other half live (and the healing sounds interesting).
Empire:~
Rudra: Agent - I wanted to try out the Empire and I hear the story is good. I'm pretty impressed thus far. I will most likely continue with this guy instead of the smuggler, to be honest.

I will! I tried to add everyone yesterday, but no one was online. Pretty ****ing silly system. Is there a way to add accounts like the RealID system for blizzard games?

[Second]

I will! I tried to add everyone yesterday, but no one was online. Pretty ****ing silly system. Is there a way to add accounts like the RealID system for blizzard games?

Most answers from Bioware regarding that stuff is "TBA".

[dimorphic]

If your looking to add me (Dimorphicau) I'm normally on after 9pm QLD.

[Clift]

So my characters!

Empire:
- Machinus, Sorcerer
- Zefyr, Agent
- Excrutious (terrible name), Sith Warrior

Republic:
- Phantonus, Smuggler
- Totalis, Trooper

Will make a Jedi of some sort eventually. Most of my time will be spent on the Agent in the near future. Oh, and yes I like names ending in "S". :p

[Ad-Rock]

So I did my first Flashpoint (The Esseles). I really like the conversation mechanics, although I'm guessing the "dice roll" for who responds isn't exactly random. Started meddling with professions; I learned Artifice, Archaeology and Treasure Hunting. Only to be different, as every other ****er seems to be doing Biochem.

Now a Sentinel. Bit disappointed that it's only a Medium Armour class, but I guess Heavy would be OP. Once I finish Act 1, I might start a Sith Juggernaut for comparison.


EDIT: So far I can see one major issue that could affect the life-span of this MMO. The combat system (as most of you would've noticed) doesn't apply the effect of an "instant" ability until the related animation has completed, whereas in WoW the effect is applied as the animation begins. So SWTOR combat looks better, but WoW's combat feels more crisp.

EDIT2: If they sped up the animation for some of those abilities, it could be a good compromise.

[tau]

So against my better judgement, I bought a cdkey and am currently downloading the client. Guessing this swiftsure server's the one to go on?