Team Fortress 2

[SOX]

Surprised there's no thread for this (there probably is but I couldn't find it with the search button).

What's the deal with these "Cheater's Lament" hats? Will my mate who joins achievement maps not get one or is it just for hacks?

[Azzaman]

I think it's for both. Plus I believe he may get his achievements revoked.

We playing over the weekend lads? I'll be free Sat arvo/night again. I'll try to have a more interesting meal this time, perhaps an indian dish.

[Ashmaran]

Basically due to the broken TF2 rewards system, someone made a program that simulates you playing TF2 in an server and doing nothing. So people would run this program while they weren't playing TF2 to collect weapons and hats etc. The joke is that plenty of people (myself included) ran this program and still didn't even get any hats, that's how low the drop rate is.

I had it set to auto delete any duplicate items it got (which was everything since I got no hats), so I lost nothing when they rolled out this change to punish people using the idle program. But I didn't get the halo hat either because I used the program.

So in summary your mate should be fine.

[TSplodey]

The biggest pro for wearing the halo is that it takes off the helmets of the Engy and Soldier, revealing their chrome domes to the world.

[SOX]

According to this tf2 wiki (http://tf2wiki.net/wiki/Hats) - Every 15,430 seconds (4 hours, 17 minutes, and 10 seconds) you have a 3.5714% chance of receiving a hat.

Ah well, it's the randomness of the rewards that's keeping me playing atm along with all the new content since I played last

[Watchers]

You should play with us sometime, SOX.

[SOX]

Yeah I see you guys on, ping is usually the barrier cause I'm on wireless broadband but I'll give it a shot next time I see you guys (probably Saturday night)

[Azzaman]

You should play with us sometime, SOX.

Not me though if you want a hat. It's mine I tells ya, mine!

[SOX]

Man I will go ballistic if I get a sniper hat (can't play one for shit, every other class will be cool) but I can tell it's going to happen.

[Azzaman]

lol, I wanted a sniper hat and got a soldier one.

[Slippery]

I want any hat, they're all kinda cool.

I hate playing Demoman but his afro is awesome so that'd make up for it.

[Watchers]

I find it amusing that by all of us putting [>>] in our Steam IDs people assume we would be good (and part of an awesome clan), then are outraged when we aren't.

[dinopoke]

That's why I don't!

[SOX]

Was up til 4am last night playing 2fort, I'm so tired now ;_;

[Azzaman]

I find it amusing that by all of us putting [>>] in our Steam IDs people assume we would be good (and part of an awesome clan), then are outraged when we aren't.

But we did admit his mother into the clan.

She's a very classy lady!

[TAT]

Hey poke did you end up winning that game before?

[dinopoke]

I don't know. I left the game shortly after you did.

[Watchers]

Update! Important stuff here:

Alt-fire on the Sandvich now drops sandviches

A single sandvich can be dropped at a time. Dropping the sandvich removes it from the Heavy

A Heavy can regain his sandvich by collecting a healthkit while already being at full health

Eating a sandvich using the taunt method now heals a Heavy to full health

Dropped sandviches heal 50% of the collector's health

Medic regen changes

Base regen amount increased from 1/sec to 3/sec

Regen amount increase since time of last damage decreased from 3x to 2x

End result of above: Old healing scaled from 1/sec to 3/sec based on time since being damaged (maxed out at 10 seconds). New healing scales from 3/sec to 6/sec

Blutsauger

Replaced "No critical hits" negative attribute with "-2 health drained per second on wearer"

Health drain stacks on top of the above Medic regen changes, lowering the base regen by 2h/sec



Time to drop me some sandviches.

[TAT]

Interesting Medic edit, despite Medic being one of the easiest classes to kill already...

[Ashmaran]

I think it's just to make the original syringe gun a viable choice now. I tried it out today and the reduced regen is always present when you have the blutsauger in your current loadout, not just when it is being actively used. So it means you need to be a bit more aggressive to top up your health if you have it on you. If you are primarily healing then the original gun is better now.

[TAT]

Massive tactics shakeup

[Almighty Beanchild]

Kind of a pointless tactics shakeup for me, as I would never swap out the shotgun for the sandvich, the shotgun just offers more killing power and an increase in the heavies combat mobility which is too important to put aside for healing.

Probably more viable for Arena mode but I play that rarely and usually play scout when I do :P

[Ashmaran]

You gotta admit though, the sandvich on a plate is a nice touch.

[Azzaman]

Kind of a pointless tactics shakeup for me, as I would never swap out the shotgun for the sandvich, the shotgun just offers more killing power and an increase in the heavies combat mobility which is too important to put aside for healing.

Probably more viable for Arena mode but I play that rarely and usually play scout when I do :P

So what do you do when you have sfa medics on your team? Or they ignore you? The sandvich has gotten me out of a few tough moments and it's also quite good at annoying watchers and slippery.

[TAT]

I really like that the alternate weapons are randomly rewarded now.

I've been having a blast playing as Spy with the Cloak & Dagger. It's great for learning how to find positions (and gain confidence on appropriate times to strike), and observe enemy movements while reporting what they're up to.

[Almighty Beanchild]

So what do you do when you have sfa medics on your team? Or they ignore you? The sandvich has gotten me out of a few tough moments and it's also quite good at annoying watchers and slippery.

Generally I either accept I'm not going be able to be the best heavy I can be and instead focus on locking down territory by staying near important corridors/medpacks (eg. one of the shacks around the central point in Badlands) or I switch classes (either to a medic or something that doesn't need a medic quite so much.)

I just find if I can keep moving and shotgun an enemy down, I've got a far better chance of surviving than if I just have a sandvich.

[Ashmaran]

Oh I agree about the Cloak and Dagger, it's made me enjoy spy much more. That and my hat haha.

I still think the random items need to be given out more frequently. I unlocked all the spy/sniper stuff so much faster when they made them also achievement based.

[TAT]

I've been a bit more spontaneous recently with my classes, too, but I've only really discovered that I'm a much better support guy (Medic, Engie) than anything else. All I really do with the other classes is harrass the other team. I think I like Spy so much for that exact reason, actually...

[dinopoke]

I HATE PLAYING TF2 WHEN I'M SHAPED! Anyway, next time could we go on a 3FL server? I'll be at full speed on those.

[Watchers]

We only play on Internode servers. And buy a mic.

[Afrogamer]

lol loved the whole guard dog thing.
If you didnt know it was a very cool looking concept art submitted by a fan that many people believed to be an upcoming update. Shame it wasnt an update though :(
http://au.pc.gamespy.com/pc/team-fortress-2/1027252p1.html

Heres the pics http://guarddog.50webs.com/

[dinopoke]

http://guarddog.50webs.com/update_02.html

[TAT]

I bumped into some chaps I knew in a few random games this morning before getting my arse handed to me by some pro Soldier **** (seriously, he had twice as many points as anyone else on his own team which means he wasn't teamed with a Medic or anything :/) and then Steam crashed. The End.

[Afrogamer]

Played really bad today and im pretty sure i ran into The Photoshop today :D

Is anyone still playing this?

[dinopoke]

Yeah, there's a fair amount of Hyper regulars who play every week. Have you joined the Steam group?

[TAT]

I play quite often, but rarely in synch with other people from the Hyper Steam group.

Did I run into the El Pres the other day?

[Dukotoja]

shall we set up a night for tf2 fun? i can book a server if people are interested?

tonight?

[Watchers]

According to Prez's ID page, he has played 0 hours in the past two weeks. So no.

[Watchers]

shall we set up a night for tf2 fun? i can book a server if people are interested?

tonight?

Sure. But how are we going to fill a server? Or are your clan mates going to wipe the floor with us?

[Dukotoja]

na i thought we could do a hyper night if interest was good enough which i see now is unlikely

[Watchers]

You'll have me, Surg and WK. Maybe TAT and Azz... but not many more. So not really enough to warrant booking a server :p

[Silverwolf]

I'll play =)

[TAT]

Not tonight, I'm going out.

Your best bet is to keep tabs on the Officially unofficial Steam group (http://www.hyper.com.au/forums/group.php?groupid=5).

Or just look at the Hyper list before you play and see if anyone is in a game you can join...

[Afrogamer]

I play quite often, but rarely in synch with other people from the Hyper Steam group.

Did I run into the El Pres the other day?

I ran into an El Pres the other day as well..... Anyway I havent joined the group cause I dont have a mic yet :(

[dinopoke]

Screw mics!

[TAT]

Mikes aren't necessary - just get faster at ingame typing

[Watchers]

7pm EDST tonight bitches.

[Slippery]

Slippery will be fashionably late.

[Watchers]

I meant 7:30.

[Slippery]

Much better

[Laveidem]

Hey you guys should invest in a ventrilo/mumble server, 100x better than in-game voice. And you can talk when your'e dead too! :3

[SOX]

They usually just have a Steam voice chat going

[Azzaman]

Hey you guys should invest in a ventrilo/mumble server, 100x better than in-game voice. And you can talk when your'e dead too! :3

you work for Ventrillo don't you? Steam chat channel works fine

[TAT]

Hey you guys should invest in a ventrilo/mumble server, 100x better than in-game voice. And you can talk when your'e dead too! :3
Um, lol, how do you beat an ingame program that activates chat when you speak?

[TAT]

Also, you suck Watchers, making an announcement about a game 5 minutes after I agreed to spend time with the woman

[Watchers]

Got all the Halloween achievements last night, then stopped playing again. I mean, if I'm not killing someone to collect their sweet, sweet pumpkin, what's the point?

Oh, and the new map sucks (but the ghost is funny).

[Dukotoja]

i dont mind the new map its very good for middy practice on noobs.

pretty crap update but frees free

[TAT]

I like Harvest and have been spending the majority of time on it since it was released.

I feel a lot more confident playing as a Spy when the level is symmetrical.

[TAT]

Here's my poor attempt at a frag vid. I caught up with a mate on Monday and we played a few rounds as teammates and enemies (he's the Medic):

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[dinopoke]

http://www.teamfortress.com/post.php?id=3225

New Demo & Soldier update coming this week. Both classes with get three weapons etc but there is one seventh exclusive weapon which only one of the classes can have. To decide which class gets this weapon the class which gets the most kills against the other class wins.

Interesting but it'll mean we'll see a whole lot more sollys and demos filling up the servers.

[Dukotoja]

raping sollys is so much fun

[TAT]

Wow, gay.

Also, has there been a drastic engine change? Not kidding.

I played this morning for the first time in a week or so and aside from everything looking a little different to what I remember, the Medic feels a lot taller than the other characters...

[Afrogamer]

I hope the demoman wins, but the sollys seem to have the numbers :(

[Ashmaran]

Haha this is gold, I played a round of Badwater earlier tonight and it was pretty much Team Soldier vs Team Demo Man. It is an amusing gimmick and they've put a bit of effort into it.

[TAT]

It's ****ing gay if you don't give a shit about either

[dinopoke]

Engie update pls! >_>

[TAT]

Engie update pls! >_>
**** yeah

[Watchers]

Dammit, looks like I'll have a reason to TF2 during the holidays.

For the soldier - not the demoman. Hate you demoman.

[TSplodey]

Solly is winning. Up yours Demomen.

[TAT]

True story: I've played barely 30 minutes as the Demoman in the entire time I've had TF2.

[Surgeon.]

Demo is awesome, more awesome than solly.

[dimorphic]

Demo is OP as is, Solly could use the extra weapon.

[Dukotoja]

the extra weapon valve will give the class that wins wont be something that changes the game, its too important to leave in the hands of the community. my guess is that it will fire rabbits or clowns that dance or something stupid like that.

[dimorphic]

Perhaps, but demo is still OP.

[Ashmaran]

Ughh I just can't play anymore the demo spam is too much. I'll come back in a few months when things have died down.

[FX-GTZ]

Ughh I just can't play anymore the demo spam is too much. I'll come back in a few months when things have died down.
Just disable the sound, its not so bad when you dont have to listen to the same countless explosion noises.

[Almighty Beanchild]

I'm enjoying the update, I'm a reasonably good soldier so it's like open season on black scotsman :D

So much racism popping up though, because demos are black.

[dimorphic]

Demo camping was already lame, but now you can't play a game without like five guys on the other team going it.

[TAT]

It's ****ing gay if you don't give a shit about either
I called it.

Also lol @ Ashmaran doing a 180 in just 24 hours.

[Ashmaran]

Well it's just relentless, stickies and grenades everywhere constantly. I'm only human :p Even more painful since I haven't played in a while and my soldier skills have greatly diminished.

I still like the concept, could have worked better with different classes though.

[TAT]

Even more painful since I haven't played in a while and my soldier skills have greatly diminished.
Ah, yeah.

I tried to Engie the other day on offense in Badwater and was absolutely ****ing mauled ;__;

[dinopoke]

Oh sweet, I always wanted to play World of Warcraft (http://www.teamfortress.com/crafting/)

[Dukotoja]

hummm

[TAT]

That's... incredibly random

[Surgeon.]

Oh no, not free content!

[Bokracroc]

http://www.teamfortress.com/war/saxtonhale/poopyjoe.htm
Do his comics actaclly have anything to do with TF2? I likes them anyway

[dinopoke]

In all honesty, I wouldn't mind a TF2 rpg (or mmo rather). Just don't let it dilute the original game.

[TSplodey]

They use Saxton Hale and the other related characters as backstory for how the classes get their wacky weapons and devices, and to how the whole Red vs Blu fued started (look up the Halloween update for info on that).

Not to mention its ****ing hilarious lol.

[StorminNorman]

Saxton Hale is the best Australian to have ever existed. FACT.

And if you disagree, I'm sure he'll come and beat you to death WITH HIS BARE HANDS.

[TAT]

and to how the whole Red vs Blu fued started (look up the Halloween update for info on that).
You got a link?

I can't seem to find anything like that on the Halloween update page.

[TSplodey]

http://www.teamfortress.com/pumpkinpatch/

Theres a secret link on this page. If you cant find it heres a hint - Ctrl + A.

:)

[TAT]

Thanks man. That's ****ing awesome

[dinopoke]

TF2 Update is live!

Soldier wins of course and here's what they get:
http://www.teamfortress.com/war/victory/

The weapons:
http://www.teamfortress.com/demomanupdate/
http://www.teamfortress.com/soldierupdate/

And two new maps!
http://www.teamfortress.com/war/maps/

The Eyelander and Chargin’ Targe are awesome! Provided you stay alive long enough
I still need the two primaries and the special weapon. However the random drops are insane, I think I've nearly filled up my two pages.

[TAT]

TF2 Update is live!

Soldier wins of course and here's what they get:
http://www.teamfortress.com/war/victory/

GREAT!

Make the overpowered class even more overpowered

****

[Natrak]

I don't really play TF2 so I'm kind of speaking out of turn, but I was under the impression that Demos were the stronger class.

[TAT]

No, Demos are the cheaper class.

Damage from rocket jumping is just something you expect as a Soldier, but removing that damage is unbalancing the class even more.

Soldiers deal a ridiculous amount of crits due to the small clip size of the rocket launcher, and splash damage nature of the rockets themselves

[StorminNorman]

None of it matters to me because I generally play pyro, which has the best defence against both their weapons.

[Almighty Beanchild]

GREAT!

Make the overpowered class even more overpowered

****

Oh brother.

[Afrogamer]

i hate this new update :(

[Ashmaran]

Update is interesting.

Crafting system isn't bad, it provides more options to get the stuff you want since the crafting reagents can drop as well and you can use duplicate items to build stuff. But I haven't gotten anything since the patch from the random drop system.

Oh got the new rocket launcher, soooo good. You can aim at people rather than aiming at where they might be.

[TAT]

Oh brother.
Haha yeah.

Last week, the Rocket Launcher dished approx. 21% of all damage dealt, and the Soldier was played approx. 13% of the time.

Going by class/primary weapon (%):

Soldier: 13 / 21

Pyro: 11 / 13
Heavy: 7 / 11
Demo: 12.5 / 22.5 (10.5 pipebomb + 12 for stickies)

Scout: 9 / 7.5
Sniper: 12.5 / 9
Spy: 10 / 5

Medic: 10.5 / 1.5
Engie: 14 / 2

The bottom 5 aren't as significant as the rest, as they're all niche classes.

For the most part, the numbers of the 4 main attacking classes are pretty even. They should be earning more damage, as the more damage you inflict the more crits you get (damage + DAMAGE = DAMAGE).

You can see quite clearly that the 2 biggest gaps between class & primary weapon damage are the Soldier & Demo, at 8 and 10 % points respectively. The Heavy only has a gap of 4% points, so is the Heavy underpowered?

I concede your earlier point, Bean, that there are good Soldiers just as there are good players of every class, but:

- those players are few and far between, and
- the skill level of players is always changing as existing players get better, and beginning players choose their classes which means the skill pool has a constant variety to it.

Could just be a result of the varying Laws of Team Fortress (http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?p=9455168#post9455168) >__>

[Slippery]

Does anyone else worry that leaving the alst update to just the Engineer is pretty short sighted? Aren't we jsut going to have teams of Engineers battling it out stationary style?

[TAT]

lol yeah i actually wondered why the Engie didn't get theirs with the Spy

[dinopoke]

Does anyone else worry that leaving the alst update to just the Engineer is pretty short sighted? Aren't we jsut going to have teams of Engineers battling it out stationary style?

I guess you haven't heard of Constructicon (http://www.pcpowerplay.com.au/forums/showthread.php?t=108196)...

[Lex]

None of it matters to me because I generally play pyro, which has the best defence against both their weapons.

W+M1 lol

[Almighty Beanchild]

Haha yeah.

Last week, the Rocket Launcher dished approx. 21% of all damage dealt, and the Soldier was played approx. 13% of the time.

Going by class/primary weapon (%):

Soldier: 13 / 21

Pyro: 11 / 13
Heavy: 7 / 11
Demo: 12.5 / 22.5 (10.5 pipebomb + 12 for stickies)

Scout: 9 / 7.5
Sniper: 12.5 / 9
Spy: 10 / 5

Medic: 10.5 / 1.5
Engie: 14 / 2

The bottom 5 aren't as significant as the rest, as they're all niche classes.

For the most part, the numbers of the 4 main attacking classes are pretty even. They should be earning more damage, as the more damage you inflict the more crits you get (damage + DAMAGE = DAMAGE).

You can see quite clearly that the 2 biggest gaps between class & primary weapon damage are the Soldier & Demo, at 8 and 10 % points respectively. The Heavy only has a gap of 4% points, so is the Heavy underpowered?

I concede your earlier point, Bean, that there are good Soldiers just as there are good players of every class, but:

- those players are few and far between, and
- the skill level of players is always changing as existing players get better, and beginning players choose their classes which means the skill pool has a constant variety to it.

Could just be a result of the varying Laws of Team Fortress (http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?p=9455168#post9455168) >__>

The primary damage dealing class deals the most damage? No wai!?

Of course they have dealt more damage, they are THE direct combat class for the game. Most competitive teams have a few soldiers in there as well, which will skew those numbers. The soldier is the most VERSATILE class in the game, which is why most competitive teams have them, but versatile isn't the same as overpowered.

So basically you are drawing the most simplistic possible conclusion from those stats. Look at actual class breakdowns, in a one-to-one situation there are plenty of classes that can deal with soldiers and shut them down. For all their POTENTIAL to be terrifying beasts of destruction, in the hands of an unskilled player they are terrible, and in the hands of a skilled player they are not unstoppable. Overpowered suggests to me that either any noob can pick up and play them and do really well, which is more true of demos and pyros than sollies, or that when they are being used to their full potential, no other classes can counter them which just isn't true. They were not overpowered.

I came back into this thread however to say that I am pretty sure the direct hit will get nerfed, totally OP >.>

[StorminNorman]

Is it just me, or does the Pyro's compression blast not reflect Direct Hit rockets?

Maybe I'm just too scrub to time it right.

[Almighty Beanchild]

Is it just me, or does the Pyro's compression blast not reflect Direct Hit rockets?

Maybe I'm just too scrub to time it right.

It definitely does, I killed a guy with it last night :D

I came back because I was just playing and I have more points to make against TAT:

The soldier is also the ideal medic-buddy, even better than the heavy because he's more mobile, he can take down guns quicker and he deals good damage, so the stats you're quoting are even more skewed because its not actually that the soldier is OP, its just often more successful because they get focused on for healing, and thus do better.

[Vindik8or]

Pyros are the best medic buddy. They're unmatched in damage output and spread, compression blast can take care of an opposing uber, and the health input counters the negative of low health pool for the pyro. Maybe it's also because I play pyro, but I tear shit up when I'm with a medic.

[Almighty Beanchild]

Pyros are the best medic buddy. They're unmatched in damage output and spread, compression blast can take care of an opposing uber, and the health input counters the negative of low health pool for the pyro. Maybe it's also because I play pyro, but I tear shit up when I'm with a medic.

They're a good medic buddy, and possibly the most efficient use of an uber, but in terms of their ability to keep their medic alive, deal damge consistently at close/long range etc, soldiers are better.

[TAT]

If I ever want to **** shit up as a Medic I'll actively seek out a Pyro.

Duko got me into TF2 by being the Heavy to my Medic, and I picked up a lot of good skills while doing so.

Due to the Soldier's increased vertical mobility, I just find them more prone to leaving me hanging as a Medic.

It's more beneficial to have a class to hide behind.

[TSplodey]

Then you want a Heavy. 300 HP when fully overhealed and a huge hitbox to hide behind, not to mention the highest dps of any class in close range.

[TAT]

Absolutely, but there's nothing that compares to the carnage of a Medic/Pyro combination

[TAT]

I came back into this thread however to say that I am pretty sure the direct hit will get nerfed, totally OP >.>
Tomorrow, hopefully.

[Almighty Beanchild]

Absolutely, but there's nothing that compares to the carnage of a Medic/Pyro combination

Eh, I find pyros worse as a healing target, I cbfed arguing my point though. YOU JUST SUCK OBVIOUSLY.

[Dukotoja]

Most competitive teams have a few soldiers in there as well, which will skew those numbers.

not most but all. The two sollys + medic in a 6 man team are the core. Any team worth its salt will have two sollys in it at most times in a match and will only ever drop one to counter some other random class that the other team brings in eg: sniper, spy.

...generally


Duko got me into TF2 by being the Heavy to my Medic, and I picked up a lot of good skills while doing so.


oh the good old days!

[TAT]

Eh, I find pyros worse as a healing target, I cbfed arguing my point though. YOU JUST SUCK OBVIOUSLY.
Carnage, mate, carnage.

Like Map 2 of Dustbowl, out of the right-hand tunnel onto the final point with an uber.

9 times out of 10 there'll be quite a build up of opposition, buildings, etc.

When it works, it's amazing fun.

[Almighty Beanchild]

not most but all. The two sollys + medic in a 6 man team are the core. Any team worth its salt will have two sollys in it at most times in a match and will only ever drop one to counter some other random class that the other team brings in eg: sniper, spy.

...generally



oh the good old days!

Yeah I know, I was just leaving it vague in case there are some notable comp teams that don't use soldiers that I should know about but don't >.>

[Almighty Beanchild]

So this guy understands the game even less than TAT:

http://www.ubercharged.net/2009/12/22/dear-scouts/

[Ashmaran]

I'm pretty sure that's just fail sarcasm.

All these demomen running around with the targe has shown to me the truly awesome power of the shotgun. I always knew it was good but admittedly neglected it quite a bit when playing solider, but no longer!

[Dukotoja]

wE6M_q7SVoQ

[TAT]

**** the crafting system!

[dinopoke]

Well I got a Fancy Fedora from a random drop the other day. :]

[TAT]

I hate that I have to spend over 4 hours ingame to receive that 3% Hat roll.

Goddamn, I barely spend an hour at a time if I'm lucky

[TAT]

**** this game is full of fail at the moment. You can't even play for fun.

Someone shoot me a PM when the Engie update rolls around.

[TSplodey]

Yes curse those hats and all the gameplay advantages they confer upon the bearer.

Oh wait.

[TAT]

lol hats

Talking about the sheer number of demos and soldiers making it nigh-on-impossible to be anything other than a Medic. Spies and Engies NEED NOT APPLY

The game is not fun at the moment. Call me when it is

[dinopoke]

The excitement over the new unlocks will die down after a few weeks.

[Dukotoja]

Foxy frag video. Sorry about the length, hope some of you make a sandwhich and sit down to watch it. so proud of my guys :D

Streaming:

http://www.pldx.com/movie/984/A_Very_Foxy_Tale/

http://www.wegame.com/watch/a-very-foxy-tale/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEjGcJ9XHyw (PART 1)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M39L_7h1chk (PART 2)

HD Download (538 MB)

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=N48LJQQW

and a big shout out to darien for putting it all together, what an ace guy!

[darienphoenix]

Sif apologise for the length duko. ;)

There's 5 songs total (of which only the first is the full song), hopefully I managed to keep it entertaining enough that you don't all fall asleep.

[darienphoenix]

wE6M_q7SVoQ

That guy's voice annoys the crap out of me. He sounds like half the guys in my Comp Sci class at uni. The type who say 'lol' and 'rofl' out loud and make me want to stab them with a fork.

[TAT]

Foxy frag video. Sorry about the length, hope some of you make a sandwhich and sit down to watch it. so proud of my guys :D

Streaming:

http://www.pldx.com/movie/984/A_Very_Foxy_Tale/

http://www.wegame.com/watch/a-very-foxy-tale/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEjGcJ9XHyw (PART 1)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M39L_7h1chk (PART 2)

HD Download (538 MB)

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=N48LJQQW

and a big shout out to darien for putting it all together, what an ace guy!
Ok you've ruined the movie in the first second by making the first song that ****ing one by Pendulum (?) that is in EVERY TF2 movie

EDIT:

so which one is Duko?

[darienphoenix]

Duko is the one with the name 'Duko' in the top left. You know, where the player names are. If you'd bothered to look.

I know pendulum is overused but Granite hasn't been used in any I've seen (that weren't crap), and I've wanted to use it for a vid since I first heard it. The other four songs haven't been used in any videos I know of.

that ****ing one by Pendulum (?) that is in EVERY TF2 moviePlease link one, honestly curious since I couldn't find any using Granite other than CSS vids.

[TAT]

Duko is the one with the name 'Duko' in the top left. You know, where the player names are. If you'd bothered to look.
I was looking and didn't see him until partway into the second video. I apologise for that one. Sorry.

Please link one, honestly curious since I couldn't find any using Granite other than CSS vids.
Yeah ok:

DUj3iMm7vaQ

[darienphoenix]

"Pyro frag video"

ROFL k

Pub footage is not a frag video.

[TAT]

The footage in Arson is infinitely more interesting than the single clip of Pyro footage in your video. I realised while watching (yours) that W+M1 is derided because it's the most effective tactic a Pyro has, which is why no-one really makes Pyro frag vids.

[darienphoenix]

Sorry TAT, I didn't make the movie to appeal to Pyro fans, because Pyros are of very limited usefulness in 6v6 comp games against good teams (limited meaning only sometimes on granary, which you saw).

[TAT]

Yeah, I know, which is why I've been so critical of your frag video.

I never said I didn't like it, btw, I was just surprised (and disappointed) at the lack of Duko (well, I had no idea your clan had 22 members, either).

[darienphoenix]

Duko hasn't played as much recently, but his scout clip is one of my favourites.

You're a 'career pyro', I take it. (lol @ that term)

[TAT]

No, actually. I consider myself a 'career engie'.

I've played a fair bit Pyro, Medic and Spy, though, so I think I have a relatively broad view of the game.

Unrelated, but it's ****ing woeful at the moment.

[darienphoenix]

You've played 3 classes which don't require aim, one class which is 80% luck, and you think you have a relatively broad view of the game? lol. You're also critical of a frag video of a competitive TF2 clan because it doesn't contain enough pyro footage (when most people who know anything about TF2 are well aware how useless pyros are at higher levels). You complain about Granite being used in 'every TF2 frag vid' and then link me to a video of a semi-retarded man playing pyro on a pub server against people with zero awareness.

Yeah... not that you probably care, but that whole 'first impressions' thing isn't going to well for you right now.

EDIT: Wow, he takes 3 swings to kill people who are on 20hp, when he could have kept the flamer on them for a second longer and finished the job. Mad skills. This guy has watched too much of bloodsire's 'pro-ro' movie and absorbed all the moves without any of the reason behind why bloodsire was using them.

While we're talking though, what's 'woeful' about the game at the moment?

[TAT]

First and foremost I'd better say that no, I'm not good enough to have ever been part of a clan, but I did help a guy train once, and he was expected to destroy a L3 sentry as a Scout so I understand how high the standards are to compete. I'm a stock, standard, run-of-the-mill player and I play TF2 because for all my complaining I think the game has a lot going for it and it's fun (well, until the soldier/demo update).

Yeah... not that you probably care, but that whole 'first impressions' thing isn't going to well for you right now.
It's cool. I'm not out to impress anyone and these guys all know how much of an idiotic whinger I am

You've played 3 classes which don't require aim, one class which is 80% luck, and you think you have a relatively broad view of the game? lol.
Let's ignore the fact that most (some... not many?...) new people learn the layout of maps by starting off as Medic, but I think I can hold my own pretty well.

As an Engie I've learned sentry/tele/dispenser placements via trial & error, and it's a rare game when a Spy gets the better of me.

I've learned ambush skills from playing Spy that I found I could apply to Pyro... and vice-versa, and there are still Spy skills that I have yet to get any good at despite recently spending the majority of my time as one (indication of a steep learning curve).

So all in all, yeah, I think I have a broad and balanced view of the game.

You're also critical of a frag video of a competitive TF2 clan because it doesn't contain enough pyro footage (when most people who know anything about TF2 are well aware how useless pyros are at higher levels).
Actually, my complaint was that your choice of music was unoriginal. Believe it or not I actually know a bit about video editing and how much work goes into it, which is why I never criticised the footage or the compilation itself.

You complain about Granite being used in 'every TF2 frag vid' and then link me to a video of a semi-retarded man playing pyro on a pub server against people with zero awareness.
And you know what, for a guy like me who plays for fun and knows how hard the Pyro is to play, I enjoyed his video a lot more because I can relate to it.

Like I said before, when I saw the Pyro in your video w+M1ing his way through the scene, I realised that he used that tactic because it’s the most effective way to get kills as a Pyro. What’s the point of changing to the shotty or flaregun (and risk missing the target) when the flamer is more effective anyway? That’s not the fault of the user, that’s just how the character has been designed. It makes for a good video to flame/blast/axe someone to death but it’s by no means an efficient method of killing.

While we're talking though, what's 'woeful' about the game at the moment?
Well, idiotic whinging aside, the sheer explosion in numbers of Soldiers and Demos has made it next-to-impossible to play for fun and the newest unlocks have unbalanced the game completely.

Let’s go back to previous updates:

Medic: most in need of balancing, awarded with a gun that heals (but lacks crits), the Kritzkrieg, and a melee saw that fills the uber meter.
Verdict: all address valid weaknesses in the Medic, and add dimension to strategy (uber or kritz)

Pyro: gets anti-Sniper weapon, a secondary function that rebounds certain projectiles, a flamer that gets crits from behind (incentive to ambush) and an axe that crits a flaming target.
Verdict: all address weaknesses in the Pyro, and add dimension to strategy

Sniper/Spy: an anti-Spy device, an anti-Pyro device (which also introduced minicrits to the game) and a different primary weapon; a crit headshot pistol and 2 new cloak watches.
Verdict: with the exception of the Ambassador (which was nerfed drastically), all the other unlocks address character weaknesses and add strategy to the classes.

Those are all niche classes, but even after the updates they remained just that. The Ambassador was nerfed so the Spy couldn’t be used contrary to it’s original role of infiltration and espionage. The Pyro has the airblast, but the jump capability was removed because it was altering the character a little too much.

Soldier/Demo: low-health kill pick (unable to be healed while equipped), rally banner, The Direct Shot; an instakill sword, a shield, and a sticky launcher that can detonate mines in groups.

The sword/shield combo are ridiculous, but I guess not any more or less insane than a baseball & bat, sandwich or jar of urine.

Before the Direct Shot, an Engie could heal a sentry faster than it could be rocketed to death – just. Now that’s not the case and the projectiles are even faster and deal more damage for that direct hit. It’s not addressing a weakness or flaw in the Soldier, and while it’s adding an extra dimension of strategy, it’s moving the class too far from its intended use. The Soldier now has a railgun and there are just not enough defences against it.

It’s bad enough that a Demo can destroy a sentry without detonating all of his stickies, too…

[darienphoenix]

Wow that's a big post.

I'm not good enough to have ever been part of a clan, but I did help a guy train once, and he was expected to destroy a L3 sentry as a Scout so I understand how high the standards are to compete.

Makes no sense.

1) You don't need to be good to be in a clan, a clan is just a group of players

2) Being in a clan and being completely clueless/bad aren't mutually exclusive

3) I'm pretty sure you're talking about Duko's induction for panic, which was meant to be a funny challenge. Mine was to walk through Granary as a heavy with a team of spies after me, with an ever-increasing list of things to do after every kill (taunt, turn left, shout medic, etc etc etc)

The rest of it, yeah fair enough maybe I got a bit defensive there, I can understand you not finding soldier, demo or scout clips interesting if you don't play comp tf2 at all. As a matter of fact I did have a bunch of midair flares by kocka on a granary match, but I didn't use that footage.

Well, idiotic whinging aside, the sheer explosion in numbers of Soldiers and Demos has made it next-to-impossible to play for fun and the newest unlocks have unbalanced the game completely.

I think you're exaggerating how much the new unlocks have changed the game, but to be fair to Valve, the Soldier and Demoman are by FAR the most powerful classes in the game already, especially on the choked, spammy maps the vast majority of pubbers play. Making balanced unlocks can not have been easy, and they did very well in my opinion.

The direct hit encourages proper aim rather than spamming at the floor, and rewards midair hits. At the moment it's ridiculously overpowered though, because it can one-hit 125hp classes, and one-hit 175hp classes who happen to have their feet a millimetre off the ground. It needs to have the minicrits removed (or at least the definition of 'midair' fixed) and the damage reduced to less than 125 point blank.

The sword and targe is good for a laugh, but it only really works in pub games because people have low awareness and are currently all playing explosive classes. A targe demo is meat to a heavy, trust me I've tried sword and board on payload pubs a lot in the last week. Otherwise, losing the sticky launcher (the best damage weapon in the game) is a huge tradeoff.

The blooper clip in the video where pick gets a 5-down on fray at mid with the sword and targe is misleading, we lost that game because we couldn't sticky up any chokepoints and scouts could just flank us constantly.

[JuicyCaboose]

Before the Direct Shot, an Engie could heal a sentry faster than it could be rocketed to death – just. Now that’s not the case and the projectiles are even faster and deal more damage for that direct hit.

Yeah that's wrong.
Before an engie could fix his sentry faster than a single soldier could damage it, now an engie can fix his sentry exactly as fast as a single soldier can damage it.

If you were struggling to keep your sentry repaired to a single soldier with the regular rl, you're just not very good at engy. Sorry.

Although I do agree that the Direct Hit should deal regular damage to buildings, and the mini-crit on midair hits needs to be fixed, as at the momeny mid-air is defined as not on the ground this means if a class is just jumping a foot into the air by pressing space, or floating/swimming in water, then it counts as a midair shot.

Also, anything with bullets stops a targe+eyelander demo dead in his tracks, as does an airblast.
The chargin' targe is nowhere near op, as while it has all these nifty things it does (explosion resistance, fire resistance (which should be taken down a little) and a speedboost ending in a small critboost) the loss of the sticky launcher is a massive loss to the demoman.



edit: Hmm, haven't been on the Hyper forums since the link to them from pcpp was taken down.
We should do a pcpp vs hyper highlander sometime, hopefully you guys can get enough players this time :(

[darienphoenix]

Hyper are all console gamers, they have the attention span of a 6-year old with ADD. ;)

*rimshot*

[TAT]

The rest of it, yeah fair enough maybe I got a bit defensive there, I can understand you not finding soldier, demo or scout clips interesting if you don't play comp tf2 at all. As a matter of fact I did have a bunch of midair flares by kocka on a granary match, but I didn't use that footage.
Yeah, don't misunderstand me. I'm negative, but I recognise skill. The 2 v 1 scout clip was pretty cool (shame it wasn't Duko >__>), but there are only so many Solly/Demo/Sniper/Scout vids I can watch (constantly reminding me that I blow with all those classes)

[Almighty Beanchild]

Foxy frag video. Sorry about the length, hope some of you make a sandwhich and sit down to watch it. so proud of my guys :D

Streaming:

http://www.pldx.com/movie/984/A_Very_Foxy_Tale/

http://www.wegame.com/watch/a-very-foxy-tale/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEjGcJ9XHyw (PART 1)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M39L_7h1chk (PART 2)

HD Download (538 MB)

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=N48LJQQW

and a big shout out to darien for putting it all together, what an ace guy!

You guys are pretty good. It might be arrogance in my part but I am pretty sure I am on level terms with your scouts, when I'm at my best. Though I often have absolutely catastrophic sessions, but then everyone does. I've only picked up solly recently, but I'm improving pretty steadily, I don't get a lot of opportunity to practice my airshots and you guys are right on the money with that.

The lack of heavy in comp play is a big disappointment to me, if I could be called a career anything it would be heavy, though I can play scout, heavy, soldier and pyro at what I'd call a competitive level and sniper and spy at least well enough to not embarress myself, even against good players (though I largely waste my time with them).

I understand what TAT is getting at with the music. It gets tiresome when every frag video, be it good or bad always has the same sort of generic music. Throbbing beat, enough slow bits that you can time the wanky slowmos to go along with it :P Honestly though, I can't think of anything better either. I guess I'd throw some upbeat pop or something in there, just to separate it from the herd a bit but whatever.

Oh and TAT, and it won't be that long before people realise the targe and direct hit aren't as good as the originals and stuff goes back to normal. You babby :P The DHs extra damage is good, don't get me wrong, but the original rocket launcher is almost as good for dealing direct damage and the splash damage makes it more useful in more situations.

[TAT]

Oh and TAT, and it won't be that long before people realise the targe and direct hit aren't as good as the originals and stuff goes back to normal. You babby :P The DHs extra damage is good, don't get me wrong, but the original rocket launcher is almost as good for dealing direct damage and the splash damage makes it more useful in more situations.
One choice tactic amongst the Pubs is for a Solly to run around corners and make reflex shots (as Snipers do to Scouts) and come off with next-to-no splash damage.

[Dukotoja]

First and foremost I'd better say that no, I'm not good enough to have ever been part of a clan, but I did help a guy train once, and he was expected to destroy a L3 sentry as a Scout(with nothing but a baseball bat) so I understand how high the standards are to compete.

haha awww. TAT its not a players skill that allows him/her to play in a clan or competitively. Its a players awareness, attitude and willingness to learn that are most important. Back in the day when you used to be my Heal-Bot and we would rip up goldrush it was your awareness and willingness to listen that allowed us to be so successful so don't go around saying your a bad player or what not cause your better then 90% of the pubbers out there.

3) I'm pretty sure you're talking about Duko's induction for panic, which was meant to be a funny challenge. Mine was to walk through Granary as a heavy with a team of spies after me, with an ever-increasing list of things to do after every kill (taunt, turn left, shout medic, etc etc etc)

To be fair DP, it was the first induction into panic and i was kinda freaking out a bit and i kinda thought that if i did really badly at the challenge(which i did...) that they might not let me in so TAT's idea about it being a key part of my introduction can be excused imo.

Hyper are all console gamers, they have the attention span of a 6-year old with ADD. ;)

*rimshot*

can we bring nep the **** back now?

[JuicyCaboose]

No but seriously, how likely do you guys reckon it is that you can get 9 players each willing to play a seperate class to vs pcpp in highlander?
We've done it successfully in the past against Whirlpool, OCAU and PalGN, but whenever we tried to organise one with you guys it always failed :(

[Almighty Beanchild]

No but seriously, how likely do you guys reckon it is that you can get 9 players each willing to play a seperate class to vs pcpp in highlander?
We've done it successfully in the past against Whirlpool, OCAU and PalGN, but whenever we tried to organise one with you guys it always failed :(

The problem is we can find 9 people but getting them all organised for one place/time is annoying, and most people on this forum are quite casual players, meaning a lot are limited to experience with only one or two classes. That means they want to play those classes and someone like me (who'd pref play scout/heavy) or Surgeon or something has to volunteer to play spy or something because no one else will, which means our experienced players aren't playing at their best.

Basically, organising hyperians into a cogent team is difficult, afaict :P

[Dukotoja]

yeah JC go take your dirty highlander someplace else

(but let me know when the next pcpp game is on)

[JuicyCaboose]

The problem is we can find 9 people but getting them all organised for one place/time is annoying, and most people on this forum are quite casual players, meaning a lot are limited to experience with only one or two classes. That means they want to play those classes and someone like me (who'd pref play scout/heavy) or Surgeon or something has to volunteer to play spy or something because no one else will, which means our experienced players aren't playing at their best.

Basically, organising hyperians into a cogent team is difficult, afaict :P

In that case, we could always just do a regular pcpp vs hyper game, one that's not highlander.
And if we steamroll you or you steamroll us we'll just scramble the teams after a few rounds and have a mixed social.

How many peeps do you reckon are likely to want to, and be able to play?
And what days are good for you :D


yeah JC go take your dirty highlander someplace else

(but let me know when the next pcpp game is on)


>:|

[Dukotoja]

woh..

[darienphoenix]

You guys are pretty good. It might be arrogance in my part but I am pretty sure I am on level terms with your scouts, when I'm at my best.

No offence intended here Almighty, but it's impossible to say you're on level terms with our scouts if you've never played 6v6 in an organised team. 90% of a scout's work is awareness, teamwork, knowing when to push, when to mop, and when to bait enemies into your demo's traps.

Sure your aim might be up there with the best scouts on the planet, but if you don't have smarts that doesn't mean much. That's something you just can't learn in a pub server. But hey, you should join some pugs sometime, they're good fun.

The lack of heavy in comp play is a big disappointment to me

Me too. The european teams use heavies a lot, and when the gloves of running urgently (comp beta unlock) are finally released, heavies will be a lot more viable in competitve play. They're still used frequently on Attack/Defence maps, but Australian teams tend to prefer 5cp push maps, on which speed is key and Heavies are just too slow.

In that case, we could always just do a regular pcpp vs hyper game, one that's not highlander.
And if we steamroll you or you steamroll us we'll just scramble the teams after a few rounds and have a mixed social.

Keen! Could have an 8's match, easier to organise and less having to force people to play shit classes like engie or pyro (uh... no offence TAT).

[TAT]

Keen! Could have an 8's match, easier to organise and less having to force people to play shit classes like engie or pyro (uh... no offence TAT).
None taken, but a good Engie can make or break a map.

Not to mention that being a good Engie is monotonous, boring, and largely thankless

[darienphoenix]

On 5cp push maps Engies are pretty much completely useless (unless you're turtling last point), but on A/D maps they're definitely useful.

[TAT]

Favourite thing to do against a stacked pub server: use the same inane tactic repeatedly to see if the opposition are smart enough to counter it.

This time: they weren't

[darienphoenix]

What was the tactic TAT?

[TSplodey]

Probably Sticky Bomb spam lol.

[dinopoke]

Engie vs Scout Rush or
Spy vs Heavies

[TAT]

What was the tactic TAT?
Dustbowl Stage 3, Defense: go kamikaze Pyro and use the tunnel repeatedly.

They only had the one Engie. With another they could have guarded the front and rear, and I wouldn't have been able to keep coming up from behind them.

[TAT]

I've been having a lot of fun with this recently, developing my Sniper and Demo skills.

I've never really used either but a bit of persistence and earning a few milestones in each class has increased my liking of both.

[Almighty Beanchild]

No offence intended here Almighty, but it's impossible to say you're on level terms with our scouts if you've never played 6v6 in an organised team. 90% of a scout's work is awareness, teamwork, knowing when to push, when to mop, and when to bait enemies into your demo's traps.

Sure your aim might be up there with the best scouts on the planet, but if you don't have smarts that doesn't mean much. That's something you just can't learn in a pub server. But hey, you should join some pugs sometime, they're good fun.

Well, I was commenting specifically on your frag video. I can and have pulled the same moves shown there, but of course I wouldn't claim to have as much comp experience as your scouts because...I don't :P The arrogance part comes in with me thinking that if I tried, I could do all of those things well.

[Dukotoja]

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[Emilbus]

so like anyone got lucky with the golden wrench?

[fishfishmonkeyhat]

Yeah, she didn't even put up much of a fight.

Oh wait, golden wrench.

Disregard.

[TAT]

so like anyone got lucky with the golden wrench?
If by 'lucky' you mean '**** themselves in the arse'

I had about 20 items yesterday (before the update hit) and I crafted the lot trying to get hats ;_____;

[TAT]

Oh, and as far as this whole random crafting drop bullshit goes, Valve can go **** themselves.

I know! How about 100 random people who craft get a golden wrench? Who gives a **** if they ever play Engineer or not?!

[TAT]

Well the update has landed and, as with every update previously, the game is clagged with Engineers. To it's detriment, unfortunately.

There are a few Max 2 Engineer servers that I frequent that are good to play on - if I can manage to get one of the two Engineer slots, that is...

[Watchers]

What are the new items?

[Ashmaran]

http://www.teamfortress.com/engineerupdate/

I never really played demo after the update, so I've had some fun playing demo while everyone else is engy. The 'destroy 50 buildings' achievement went by really fast with everyone throwing down those mini sentries :p

That said a lot of matches are just stalemates with people building crap everywhere on both sides. Haven't found any open servers running the new maps yet.

[TAT]

Same, Ash, but it's the Spy achievements that I need: 1000 saps & 1000 backstabs

[TAT]

I got Engie Milestone 3 this morning, along with the last of the new weapons, The Wrangler. It enables you to point and shoot the sentry, regardless of distance. Cool, but you really need to be buddied with another Engie who can keep your ammo stocks full.

The new shotty, Frontier Justice, is absolutely boss. It gives you a crit for every kill a destroyed sentry gets, up to 35, I think.

I'm not really a fan of the Gunslinger/Mini-sentry combo just yet. Maybe on Offense?

[TSplodey]

Yeah the Gunslinger is fantastic for Battle-Engying. I had a go of it on one of the new payload maps and being able to bust out a sentry in ~2secs on the front line is rather amazing. Your sentry is highly disposable with this playstyle (I put down 3 or 4 at times within seconds before it stayed there) and even if it only scores 1 or 2 kills per life that adds to your Frontier Justice revenge counter. Coupled with being able to move your buildings Engy is 10x more fun to play on offence now.

[TAT]

Coupled with being able to move your buildings Engy is 10x more fun to play on offence now.
Agreed. If this was the only thing the update had, it would have been worth the wait.

[Emilbus]

More new items incoming too with the Polycount Pack (http://www.polycount.com/2010/07/15/the-team-fortress-2-polycount-pack-winners/) winner announced.

[Slippery]

http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/9/2010/08/1.jpg

19th century TF2, from Kotaku

[Zace]

More new items incoming too with the Polycount Pack (http://www.polycount.com/2010/07/15/the-team-fortress-2-polycount-pack-winners/) winner announced.

Whats this polycount stuff?

[Emilbus]

They ran a contest for people to design weapons/hats for each class which should have a 'theme of some sort and Valve picked the winners. More classes to come after the initial winners

[HiredMan]

OK, so this is currently downloading off steam at my joint. Anyone up for some games tonight? What are the best servers and how does matchmaking work? Only played the 360 version.

[SOX]

Matchmaking - HA

[JC Henderson]

OK, so this is currently downloading off steam at my joint. Anyone up for some games tonight? What are the best servers and how does matchmaking work? Only played the 360 version.

Oh dude you are not going to recognize that game when you boot it up. Hit me up for a steam friend request JCHenderson I play under "Dean you're a stupid head"

I will happily play some games with you. Internode servers always do it for me.

[TAT]

OK, so this is currently downloading off steam at my joint. Anyone up for some games tonight? What are the best servers and how does matchmaking work? Only played the 360 version.
I'll be up for a few games tonight

Some good Aus/NZ servers:

games.on.net
BestGN
3FL
GameArena TF2
Killing with a smile TF2 (small NZ server)

I'm a fan of SURF-INFAMOUS 100% crit server, but Duko hates me for it :D

JC is right about the game. afaik the console version has never been updated or granted any new weapons. You're not going to know what hit you (literally).

What maps do you like, HM?

[HiredMan]

Yeah I'm looking forward to checking out all the content not available on the 360 version.

Of the maps I can remember, I think I liked Dustbowl the best.

[TAT]

Awesome. Dustbowl is one I try & play more often

[HiredMan]

Thats the one with the three capture points, the last one being the tower in the middle yeah? 360 version had some great choke points for my Heavy :)

[SOX]

You really want to be playing some gold rush - easily the best thing about TF2 IMO

[Beinkasaurus Rex]

HM - I'll hit you up for a game also.
imo we should have a hyper tf2 night or something.

[TAT]

Mon,Tues or Wed, please

[Beinkasaurus Rex]

I say Tuesday night if possible.

[HiredMan]

I called Duko, he might be in tonight. Hes lost a contact lens so that might bring him down a level or 2 haha.

Where can I read up on the new gear and stuff for Heavies/Engineers?

7:30 AEST tonight?

EDIT: also, I bought one of the MS wireless headsets (the PC version of the 360 one). Should probably be posting in the stuff up thread but someone tell me how to get it working. Do you guys use ventrilo or something?

[SOX]

Steam chat has voice chat FYI

[HiredMan]

yeah cool, I just go into steam and set it up?

[SOX]

Steam > Settings > Voice

Might need to add it in Windows first tho I'm not sure.

[HiredMan]

yeah I've installed the drivers, Windows 7 is recognising it so should be all good I think.

[Mr Pie]

Im definitely in.
TF2 is fun to the max.

[TAT]

Where can I read up on the new gear and stuff for Heavies/Engineers?
http://www.teamfortress.com/

Major updates are all listed on the right.

I think Heavies have:

- Natasha (Primary): slows enemies, does half damage
- Sandvich (Secondary): eat it or drop it for health
- KGB (Melee): boxing gloves which give you a few seconds of crits on hit
- Dalokah Bar (Sec): increase maximum health temporarily

Engies got:

- Frontier Justice (Pri): reduced to 3 shells, but when your sentry is destroyed, it gives you crits for the sentry kills
- Wrangler (Sec): control your sentry by remote (shoot at things out of its range)
- Gunslinger (Melee): robot hand; also replaces sentry with fast-building mini-sentry -- great offensive option

And all buildings can be moved

[HiredMan]

Sorry lads, wont be able to play tonight most likely. I left my PC on to continue the download this morning, but it seems that it stops the download when it goes into sleep mode, which it does prett quickly. Still have around 5 gigs to go.

Maybe tomorrow.

EDIT: hmmmm, it's actually going pretty quick now, might be done by 9ish. I'll jump on for a little bit then maybe.

[Silverwolf]

Sleep mode just stops your internet entirely, which is slightly disappointing.

[HiredMan]

Yep, that was a lot of fun. A few control tweaks, time to aclimatise to the ol kbm setup and I'll be right back into this.

Tomorrow night lads?

[Mr Pie]

Oh damn, I completely forgot about it. Maybe I'll remember next time.

[HiredMan]

Oh damn, I completely forgot about it. Maybe I'll remember next time.

Well, jumpin' on now. Accept my steam invite dude.

TAT, I think Gravel Pit was the one I was thinking of.

[Silverwolf]

Quite cut that my internet is being a massive pain in the ass at the moment =( I've never had the luxury of stable reliable pings. Sorry about not being able to play last night Hired/TAT =P

[TAT]

TAT, I think Gravel Pit was the one I was thinking of.
That's a capture point map. I'm not really a fan. I mainly stick to the payloads

[HiredMan]

Had a few rounds on Gravelpit last night and got absolutelu smashed :(

Anyone free for more Dustbowl tonight? I also like Hydro :)

Which are the best of the new(er) maps? I'll have to learn those...

[JC Henderson]

Had a few rounds on Gravelpit last night and got absolutelu smashed :(

Anyone free for more Dustbowl tonight? I also like Hydro :)

Which are the best of the new(er) maps? I'll have to learn those...

You need to get yourself into payload maps which involve pushing a bomb through maps. Much fun to be had. Instant respawn 2fort maps are also good to stuff around and get some practice on.

[TAT]

Dustbowl, goldrush, badwater, koth_viaduct, thunder mountain

All good

[Dukotoja]

hey hiredman, respond to steam chat.

anyone want a game tonight?

[TAT]

First big update since the Engie Update (over a month ago), and it's a big one!

Summary:

- in-game economy realised (trading, using irl money to purchase items)
- in the case of items made by community members, they will receive a small percentage of profits from their items
- current weapon & hat drop rate UNCHANGED
- Valve plan to continue to release FREE item/map packs to retain the unity of the playing community (sucks to play CoD)
- existing wearable drop items will be labelled as VINTAGE to discern from purchased items (preserve the rarity of competition items, etc)
- POLYCOUNT PACK released (new item/hat sets for Scout, Soldier, Spy, Pyro & Sniper); equipping all items from a set will grant a special class bonus - e.g., in the case of the Sniper, cannot be head-shot or perform head-shots. INTERESTING

Update links:

MANNCONOMY (http://www.teamfortress.com/mannconomy/)
POLYCOUNT (http://www.teamfortress.com/mannconomy/item_sets/)
FAQ (http://www.teamfortress.com/mannconomy/FAQ/)


My opinion: at first I was like "hmmm", but after reading everything I support this in that they've retained all existing features (item drop rate, etc). If you want to buy an item, it's yours. Totally fair, imo.

[TAT]

EDIT: nevermind. Found someone to do my trade this morning :D

[TAT]

Wow. Reading back on my argument with that guy from Duko's clan last year...

I was such a ****ing scrub

[Mr Pie]

Ive noticed Hiredman doesnt have much of an inventory, perhaps he should play more!

Also, I'd advise keeping all Vintage items, as they are starting to dwindle from crafting.

[Mr Pie]

Was it Mr. Pie or Mr Pie?
Because the full stop is illegal in my country.

[Watchers]

Wow. Reading back on my argument with that guy from Duko's clan last year...

I was such a ****ing scrub

Was, TAT? WAS?

[TAT]

Was, TAT? WAS?
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v648/Devest8r/schoicedvdripvp7keggerm.jpg

Also, I'd advise keeping all Vintage items, as they are starting to dwindle from crafting.
Either that or use them as trade bait. This morning I found a guy who was willing to buy black paint, colour a post-Vintage Texas Ten Gallon, throw in a Reclaimed Metal and trade me for my Vintage TTG. Turns out you can't buy Black Paint, so the deal fell through.

Amusingly, I started off with the Stout Stako (Soldier) and a crate the other day. Bought a key for the crate and got the Pyro Sombrero. Traded both of those for the Texas Ten Gallon and a Demo Fro. Then traded Gemerald his Pyro Rubber Glove hat for my Demo Fro. Then traded another guy the Rubber Glove for another Demo Fro.

Trading rules.

[Mr Pie]

I traded 2 of those Mann C Supply Crates for white paint to colour my brain slug, possibly the best deal ever considering the crates are a rip off.

[HiredMan]

Ive noticed Hiredman doesnt have much of an inventory, perhaps he should play more!

Also, I'd advise keeping all Vintage items, as they are starting to dwindle from crafting.


I think I have 1 item!

[Mr Pie]

3 when I last looked.

[TAT]

possibly the best deal ever considering the crates are a rip off.
I dunno, man, I paid $2.49 and got the Pyro Sombrero. You can't buy that hat (though the cheapest hat goes for $4.99) so I'm pretty sure I came out on top.

Sucks if you get a weapon out of a crate though. Totally ripped off.

[Silverwolf]

Wow. Reading back on my argument with that guy from Duko's clan last year...

I was such a ****ing scrub

Was??

[TAT]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v648/Devest8r/schoicedvdripvp7keggerm.jpg

[Silverwolf]

http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/3650/thesimpsonss05e04rosebu.jpg

[TAT]

Sidenote: AMD drivers can be updated through Steam.

Version 10.9 is out currently. I updated this morning, reset, and everything is fine. Crossfire was detected automatically and I've basically never had less trouble with the drivers. I definitely recommend giving it a go.

[Mr Pie]

Sucks if you get a weapon out of a crate though. Totally ripped off.

I know a guy who got a scottish resistance out of a crate.
Biggest. Rip off. Ever.

[TAT]

owned

[TAT]

Anyone have a soldier hat they want to trade for my Vintage Mining Light?

[Watchers]

No-one cares, TAT.

[dinopoke]

Watchers is still jealous that he doesn't have a hat yet.

[Watchers]

I also haven't played TF2 in like a year...










Damn I want a hat...












But really, they kinda ruined it by making it so anyone can get them.

[TAT]

Trade all your stuff to me, if you don't play anymore.

And I found a trade for the Mining Light :D

[Surgeon.]

I've been playing some TF2 lately.

Seems like everyone (except Watchers and I) have hats. Also, the whole Mann Co Supply Crate system is really lame. I really want to open the 2 that I have, but $2.50 each is kinda shitty for what might be another weapon.

That being said, 99c is a small price to pay to beat Watchers in a duel.

Edit - Completely forgot, some dude did that 'buy everyone a free gift' thing in the server I was in last night. I assumed it might give away a hat or two . . . nope. Think I got another dalokohs bar or something. What a waste of $20.

[TSplodey]

You can give them to me if you like. :)

And there was a guy in my server who was drunk or something and giving away a server gift every time his team won. Gave away like 10-15 while I was there, I hope he knew he was doing it lol.

Also, I crafted a random hat and got a Hound Dog. :]

[HiredMan]

Seems like everyone (except Watchers and I) have hats.

I dont have a hat :(

[9warbane]

ha ha check out the loser! :p

[Ashmaran]

I had 2 fancy fedoras and after a long time of them mocking me (I don't play spy that much and usually invis / disguised) I crafted them both to get something different, which ended up being the sniper fishing hat. Not a bad result, but had I held onto them woulda gotten some sweet trades at the moment. Recently got the Chieftain's hat for soldier which isn't bad.

Also got the cheater's lament (halo) after the new update went live which was funny since I used the idler back in the day.

So in summary I have in my possession 2 hats (not counting event/game freebies) and only 1 refined metal so gonna be a while before I get more. Have a crate but am not spending a cent on virtual goods. I was in a server where someone deployed a gift box or whatever though, I got another battleaxe.

[TAT]

I've deployed the 'gift the server' gift twice now, both times on my favourite server. Both of those times I also purchased keys for crates, both of which ended up being Pyro hats (new sombrero) which I traded on for better stuff. Good will = Good luck?

Here is the link to the Trade section of the official Steam forums, if anyone cares (if anyone is finding in-game trades tedious or distracting):
http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=952

There are several dedicated threads for common trades (hat for hat, metal, crates, etc), though none are stickied. Hilariously, due to the absolute wealth of trade threads there is a limit on the amount of threads users can create every 48 hours: 1.

If all else fails, a TF2 trade thread will appear on /v/ every couple of hours.

[Mr Pie]

The only hat I have is the brain slug, and I painted it white.
That's right, look envious.

[TAT]

My pride & joy:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v648/Devest8r/cp_dustbowl0010.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v648/Devest8r/cp_dustbowl0013.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v648/Devest8r/cp_dustbowl0012.jpg

[fishfishmonkeyhat]

cool hat bro

[Watchers]

Pretty lame, Milhouse.

[sausage]

like dogs and their owners it seems that you pick a TF2 character that closely resembles your bodyshape.

[TAT]

You'd be a Heavy.

[sausage]

heavy METAL!

[TSplodey]

Had a Holy Mackeral and a Fancy Fedora drop tonight. :D

The Holy Mackeral is bad. I'm not a good Scout to begin with but all I want to do now is Fish people to death.

[Surgeon.]

I caved in and opened the 2 crates I had. Got the Napper's Respite and the Old Guadalajara. Not too bad.

http://img840.imageshack.us/img840/6136/11822976.jpg

Also picked up a dueling kit. Must. Duel. Watchers.

[Mr Pie]

I havent managed to get any new items in random drops.
Its quite terrible considering I've gotten about 10 item drops.

[Watchers]

WTF is a duel?

[TSplodey]

Courtesy of http://www.yourdictionary.com/

2. any contest or encounter suggesting such a fight, usually between two persons: a verbal duel

[Watchers]

I meant in the context of TF2, you scrub.