Are You Satisfied? MEGATHREAD

[Blue]

The question was: Are you satisfied with each of these consoles?

(Results as of 2:00PM EST, 09/09/09)

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Nintendo Wii voters: 44

Yes: 14 (31.82%)
Slightly: 10 (22.73%)
No: 20 (45.45%)

Microsoft XBOX 360 voters: 62

Yes: 57 (91.94%)
Slightly: 4 (6.45%)
No: 1 (1.61%) - 'nintendo', due to hardware failure.

Sony Playstation voters: 28

Yes: 20 (71.42%)
Slightly: 6 (21.42%)
No: 2 (7.14%)

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What do these results tell us?

1. Almost half of Hyper's Wii owners are unsatisfied with their purchase. Only a third are overly happy with it.

2. Despite reported hardware failures of 56% by some media outlets, 9/10 360 owners are entirely satisfied with their console, with one owner going so far as to exclaim that the only way he or she could be more satisfied with the 360 is if you could shove your penis into the disc slot. It also has the largest user base by far as far as these forums are concerned.

3. While the PS3 has the lowest amount of owners, 7/10 owners are entirely satisfied, and 9/10 are at least happy with the console to a certain extent.

4. If we take 'Yes' or 'Slightly' to at least indicate that owners do not regret their purchase, we find that Microsoft's 61-1 satisfaction rate, and Sony's 26-2 satisfaction rate, are in stark contrast to the Wii's 34-20 ratio.

In conclusion: The 360 is Hyper's console of choice, with the PS3 also proving a satisfactory alternative. However, almost half of the Wii owners are unhappy with the console.

Discuss … IN THE NAME OF SCIENCE!

[FrozenSoul80]

Some very good results.

[HiredMan]

I wholeheartedly endorse this product and/or event.

[FX-GTZ]

My library of Wii games has come to a halt for now, im just waiting to see what happens with Metroid other M, Super Mario Galaxy 2, New Super Mario Bros and The Boy and his Blob. Thats all thats left on my wanted list, i may turn to PS3 when i have gotten tired of those titles.

Sometimes when im looking to buy a new Wii game, you grab the case of a particular good game like Punch Out, you walk past all of those good PS3 games on the shelf right nearby, and it's almost a calling sign to give up on the Wii altogether and just go for the King of real action.

[Blue]

Expect to see this exposé on ACA tomorrow night.

[TAT]

I think this was a great idea, and an awesome follow up to the Isn't it amazing (http://www.hyper.com.au/forums/showthread.php?t=19198) Wii thread.

I am still a little in awe of the mass positivity of X360 ownership, despite being a very satisfied owner.

[Queenie]

I'm not. It's got all of the best games on it, by far. It feels to me a little like the Wii has less playable games on it than last generation.

[Blue]

I agree. Despite the fact that I believe my 360 is the best console I've ever owned (with online taking up the majority of my playtime nowadays, it edges out the PS2), I didn't expect such an overwhelming result.

I expect that if we do this poll again in 6 months, the PS3 numbers will be up, too, with the Slim seemingly a chance to lure in a swathe of new buyers. I may even be one of them, some time next year.

I agree on that point too, Queenie. The input method on the Wii has detracted from the gameplay, for me. If no more heroes had a traditional control scheme with no waggle and was in HD, I may have played it. Well, probably not; it just isn't that good. But I would have just bought Twilight Princess on GameCube, and forgone the rest of the Wii experience, in hindsight. Man, Twilight Princess would have been so much more impressive on GameCube. It would have made for a good swansong, especially if it had been harder.

[Lazlow]

That's some fine work Blue. Wouldn't surprise me if this ends up in the mag in some capacity.

And I vote Sega MegaDrive, purely because I didn't own a PS3. I intend to though.

[Blob]

2. Despite reported hardware failures of 56% by some media outlets (Bullshit, however. It can't possibly be anywhere near that high)

Considering im the only guy In my group of friends whos Xbox hasn't broken down at least once id say that this statistic could be highly true. That and people claiming they are on there 7th xbox.

[Stevorooni]

I reckon the figure is higher.

I genuinely believe that there is a 100% chance that you will get some sort of hardware failure on every 360. It might take a few years, but that thing will die.

That's within the console lifespan, I understand that electronic stuff degrades as it ages and it is inevitable that it will actually die, but the 360 will cark it well before it's meant to.

[Jickle]

I'm a little surprised by just how high the Wii dissatisfaction rate is. I know it's clearly the lesser of the three consoles available, but I always find that when I actually plug it in and play it the console is more enjoyable than I remember it being. Still, I suppose for a lot of people the actual 'plug it in and play it again' stage is never a tantalizing enough prospect, which is fair enough considering the quality of releases on the other two.

[Blob]

I'm a little surprised by just how high the Wii dissatisfaction rate is. I know it's clearly the lesser of the three consoles available, but I always find that when I actually plug it in and play it the console is more enjoyable than I remember it being. Still, I suppose for a lot of people the actual 'plug it in and play it again' stage is never a tantalizing enough prospect, which is fair enough considering the quality of releases on the other two.

This year the wii has the highest quality releases IMO. 8 wii games to 1 360 game purchase seems to point to that for me. Although if most of 2010s 360 games were actually coming out this year I suspect the 360 number would even up by the end of the year.

[Lazlow]

Considering im the only guy In my group of friends whos Xbox hasn't broken down at least once id say that this statistic could be highly true. That and people claiming they are on there 7th xbox.

Game Informer says 54% (with PS3 10.6% and Wii 6.8%)
SquareTrade says 23% (with PS3 10%, and Wii 2.7%)
And retailers 2 years ago were saying 30%

SquareTrade has done a few surveys into the issue and always received different figures. Always with the 360 leading by a wide margin.

A definite figure really doesn't matter; failures are all too frequent, and its very clear that the delicate nature of the hardware was well known prior to its release;

These issues were alleged to be the end results of the decisions of management in Microsoft's Xbox team and inadequate testing resources prior to the console's release. A second source cited that, at one time, there was just a 32% yield of one of the test production runs. 68 of every 100 test units were found to be defective.

Of note though;

SquareTrade also reported that during in a 24-hour period, the Xbox 360 was four times more likely to fail compared to the Wii. But there might be a simple explanation for the huge gap; Xbox 360 users use their consoles more frequently than Wii owners.

Over 24 months, an Xbox 360 owner used his console for 17.6 days while a Nintendo Wii game accumulated only 8.6 days worth of gaming time.

[V²]

Nintendo Wii voters: 44

Yes: 14 (31.82%)
Slightly: 10 (22.73%)
No: 20 (45.45%)
What do these results tell us?

1. Almost half of Hyper's Wii owners regret their purchase. Only a third are overly happy with it.


Just because I am not satisfied with my Nintendo purchase, does not mean I regret purchasing it.

[sausage]

I am shocked, outraged and more than a little miffed my Xbox empirical study was left out.

[FX-GTZ]

Just because I am not satisfied with my Nintendo purchase, does not mean I regret purchasing it.

I wish i had have spent my money better and bought a ps3 from the start. but then i would still need to save up $600 more. The save would have been worth it though.

[Blue]

Just because I am not satisfied with my Nintendo purchase, does not mean I regret purchasing it.If I eat a burger, but I don't enjoy that burger, I will wish that I hadn't purchased it.

If I buy a console, but don't enjoy playing that console, I will wish that I hadn't purchased it.

Sorry to make assumptions like that, but I was clearly editorialising. It's only the poll that is of real consequence.

[Creedy]

In conclusion: The 360 is Hyper's console of choice, with the PS3 also proving a satisfactory alternative. However, half of us think the Wii is shit.

Discuss … IN THE NAME OF SCIENCE!

You seriously needed a poll to figure that out on these forums? Seriously?
Also what was with the retarded Mega Drive entry for the PS3 poll?
Slightly skewed results are, yes.

[SOX]

You seriously needed a poll to figure that out on these forums? Seriously?
Also what was with the retarded Mega Drive entry for the PS3 poll?
Slightly skewed results are, yes.

Where would you rather have a poll about multi-console satisfaction of Australians..?

But yeah I agree that the Mega-Drive option definetly skewed it.

[Creedy]

Where would you rather have a poll about multi-console satisfaction of Australians..?

There is PALGN, that would be a fairer mix of people, that's for sure.
:o)

[TAT]

There is PALGN, that would be a fairer mix of people, that's for sure.
:o)
"fairer"?

This is a video game forum run by Australia's only multi-format videogames magazine. Are you being purposefully daft?

[Creedy]

"fairer"?

This is a video game forum run by Australia's only multi-format videogames magazine. Are you being purposefully daft?

I don't see what you're trying to say ....... both Hyperactive and PalGN are Australian owned.
Maybe you should read SOX's post again.

[Jay]

"fairer"?

This is a video game forum run by Australia's only multi-format videogames magazine. Are you being purposefully daft?

Having read his posts over a few years now I don't think it's purposeful.

[jawsy]

Creedy, you're being daft.

You did nothing to address his query of your 'fairer' claim.

[Watchers]

"fairer"?

This is a video game forum run by Australia's only multi-format videogames magazine. Are you being purposefully daft?

We're all biased because some of us enjoy our 360s.

[Blue]

I don't see what you're trying to say ....... both Hyperactive and PalGN are Australian owned.
Maybe you should read SOX's post again.Yes, but why would you 'rather' PalGN? Why would there be a higher percentage of XBOX owners here than there? It's entirely ridiculous to suggest that.

Also, no, read it again. The MegaDrive votes did NOT skew the poll, because they were disregarded. It ended up with a similar satisfaction ratio to the 360, and I said as much.

****, I think the fact that you're such a vocal PS3 fanboy could be a plausible reason why not as many people own one. There's a reason that the people Sony use on there ads are the exact opposite of you. ****ing moron.

Don't you dare try to run this thread off the rails. This is an unbiased, unadulterated discussion about Australian gaming habits. You don't belong here.

[sausage]

http://thatwoman.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/gauntlet.jpg

[Creedy]

Yes, but why would you 'rather' PalGN? Why would there be a higher percentage of XBOX owners here than there? It's entirely ridiculous to suggest that.

You obviously haven't been there.

Your votes are great to show what the Hyper community prefer. But in no way does it represent Australian gaming tastes as a whole.
SOX asked how to represent the Australian community as a whole. I suggested PALGN. PALGN probably has more X360 owners over there but they also have a much stronger PS3 comunity compared to here.

I'm not trying to start a fight or derail a thread. I was simply answering a question that was asked of me.

[jawsy]

So how exactly does PALGN represent Australian gaming tastes as a whole? Or, at the very least, how are they more representative of just such than this place? Or is it just because it happens to more accurately reflect your tastes?

[TrinityJayOne]

with one owner going so far as to exclaim that the only way he or she could be more satisfied with the 360 is if you could shove your penis into the disc slot
Alright, a mention!

Discuss … IN THE NAME OF SCIENCE!
http://members.optusnet.com.au/trinityjayone/forum/science.gif

[TAT]

Also, no, read it again. The MegaDrive votes did NOT skew the poll, because they were disregarded. It ended up with a similar satisfaction ratio to the 360, and I said as much.
I would even go as far as to ask why a PS3 owner would choose the MegaDrive option in that poll in the first place...

[AranchineD]

I would even go as far as to ask why a PS3 owner would choose the MegaDrive option in that poll in the first place...

Well exactly, I only voted MegaDrive because I don't have a PS3 anyway. >_>

[TrinityJayOne]

I would even go as far as to ask why a PS3 owner would choose the MegaDrive option in that poll in the first place...
The man raises a damn good point.

[Watchers]

So how exactly does PALGN represent Australian gaming tastes as a whole? Or, at the very least, how are they more representative of just such than this place? Or is it just because it happens to more accurately reflect your tastes?

Logic is not welcome in this thread. Please take it elsewhere.

[TAT]

Well exactly, I only voted MegaDrive because I don't have a PS3 anyway. >_>
Me, too :D

[borgster101]

PS3 results are distorted due to the Megadrive option.

[grimace06]

PS3 results are distorted due to the Megadrive option.


4. If we concede that the ridiculous inclusion of the MegaDrive option may have unfairly skewed the PS3's percentages, and disregard those votes, we suddenly find that over 2/3 of owners are completely satisfied

[borgster101]

4. If we concede that the ridiculous inclusion of the MegaDrive option may have unfairly skewed the PS3's percentages, and disregard those votes, we suddenly find that over 2/3 of owners are completely satisfied

Cool. I dont think there's an "if" about it though :P .. the MegaDrive votes certainly should be excluded.

The next problem is the sample size between consoles are different, making the percentage comparisons to some extent unfair. i.e. one additional Yes on the PS3 votes will increase the percetnage more than it would for one additional Yes on the 360 votes.

[Blue]

PS3 results are distorted due to the Megadrive option.Hell, it isn't that hard to understand. Look at what grimace06 posted directly above this post. It has been posted several times already.

People voted MegaDrive because they don't own a PS3. Those votes obviously were not a part of any actual analysis.

Christ, either people are stupid, Sony fanboys, or both.

I would love to hear Creedy's justification as to why PalGN is a better representation of Australian gaming tastes than here. What qualifies it as a less biased source than here? Absolutely nothing.

I'll risk a second warning, I don't care. You're such a ****ing moron Creedy. **** off.

EDIT: Oh for ****'s sake! BORGSTER, PERCENTAGES ARE NOT AFFECTED BY THE AMOUNT OF CONSOLES. Christ, it's just … ****, you should have learnt how this shit works in grade 6 maths class. Christ.

[TAT]

The PS3 stats with Mega Drive votes omitted:

Yes: 20 (71.42%)
Slightly: 6 (21.42%)
No: 2 (7.14%)

[borgster101]

LOL relax Blue .. we're discussing in the name of science after all aren't we? :p

Anyway, see my response ;)


EDIT: cheers TAT .. if you want to be serious those results should be on the OP.

[TAT]

hell, it isn't that hard to understand. Look at what grimace06 posted directly above this post. It has been posted several times already.

People voted megadrive because they don't own a ps3. Those votes obviously were not a part of any actual analysis.

Christ, either people are stupid, sony fanboys, or both.

I would love to hear creedy's justification as to why palgn is a better representation of australian gaming tastes than here. What qualifies it as a less biased source than here? Absolutely nothing.

I'll risk a second warning, i don't care. You're such a ****ing moron creedy. **** off.

Edit: Oh for ****'s sake! Borgster, percentages are not affected by the amount of consoles. Christ, it's just … ****, you should have learnt how this shit works in grade 6 maths class. Christ.
pointless. Impotent. Ang

EDIT:

OH **** off where the **** are my capitals?!

[Lazlow]

I can only assume that if PALGN has a larger active user base, then the larger sample size could possibly offer more honest results.

Again, I'm only assuming. PALGN is creepy.

[TAT]

Clause 4 still stands, though: 7/10 PS3 owners are statisfied with their purchase

I can only assume that if PALGN has a larger active user base, then the larger sample size could possibly offer more honest results.

Again, I'm only assuming. PALGN is creepy.

As I mentioned (incorrectly) in response to a post of Stevo's, it's doubtful that the answer itself would change, but the larger the sample group the more accurate the results are ('honest' isn't really the right word).

[FX-GTZ]

you're

your.

[AranchineD]

Clause 4 still stands, though: 7/10 PS3 owners are statisfied with their purchase

Yes, the percentages don't mean anything actually, if you speak generally as Blue did, it's that most people who have one are satisfied with their 360 or PS3.

[fearofthesky]

Hell, it isn't that hard to understand. Look at what grimace06 posted directly above this post. It has been posted several times already.

People voted MegaDrive because they don't own a PS3. Those votes obviously were not a part of any actual analysis.

Christ, either people are stupid, Sony fanboys, or both.

I would love to hear Creedy's justification as to why PalGN is a better representation of Australian gaming tastes than here. What qualifies it as a less biased source than here? Absolutely nothing.

I'll risk a second warning, I don't care. You're such a ****ing moron Creedy. **** off.

EDIT: Oh for ****'s sake! BORGSTER, PERCENTAGES ARE NOT AFFECTED BY THE AMOUNT OF CONSOLES. Christ, it's just … ****, you should have learnt how this shit works in grade 6 maths class. Christ.

Wow, you're a grumpy git, aren't you?

[borgster101]

I can only assume that if PALGN has a larger active user base, then the larger sample size could possibly offer more honest results.

Again, I'm only assuming. PALGN is creepy.

The better option would be to combine results from major communities, to gain a wider scope and minimise any potential fanboy factors associated with specific user groups.

[Sweating Bullets]

Guys - seriously lay off the personal attacks.

[Blue]

pointless. Impotent. Ang

EDIT:

OH **** off where the **** are my capitals?!TAT, 'Pointless. Impotent. Anger.' is an aubergine quote.


I just can't believe the stupidity of some people here. It just dumbfounds me, literally. Something as simple as a list of percentages becomes some kind of impenetrable code when placed in front of these people. It's astounding. Also, the fact that anybody could embarrass themselves on such a regular basis for no reason other than some moronic loyalty to a consumer electronics company is incredible. If people can battle so fervently in the defense of a multi-million dollar corporation, a more interesting exercise would be to see how they respond to my calling their mother a whore.


An overpriced whore with no backwards compatibility.

[TAT]

Blue, chill.

I know where the quote came from. I just keep referencing your user name because we're both in on the joke.

[AranchineD]

The better option would be to combine results from major communities, to gain a wider scope and minimise any potential fanboy factors associated with specific user groups.

But this isn't even asking if one console is better than another one, or rating the consoles out of 10 or anything, it's just a simply question whether you enjoy your console or not.

I'd say it's an almost fanboy-proof question.

[aubergine]

I thought this thread would ask the question "Overall, are you satisfied with this generation?"

[TrinityJayOne]

An overpriced whore with no backwards compatibility.
HA!

On a slightly related note to your rant, today at work I had someone call who simply could not comprehend that paying only one of two $43 monthly bills would leave him with an account balance of $43.

[Blue]

your.Oh God. Tell me this is just another part of an elaborate troll. Please.

FX-GTZ is correcting me on my grammar. This is insanity.

Here's a lesson for you. Take it in. Listen, and for Christ's sake, learn.

"You're such a nice person

"You're" is a contraction of 'you are'. As in "You are such a nice person"

To say "Your such a nice person" would be stating that a "nice person" is yours. This is your 'nice person', it belongs to you.

Then again, you are the same person who told me that "there is two of them" was "correct, because there IS two of them!", so why the **** should I bother. There is one. There are two.

@Trin
Yeah. Having to deal with people like this at work is the pits, because you aren't allowed to explain to them in detail how much of a moron they are.

[borgster101]

But this isn't even asking if one console is better than another one, or rating the consoles out of 10 or anything, it's just a simply question whether you enjoy your console or not.

I'd say it's an almost fanboy-proof question.
Yeah, the question is good since it avoids bias unlike a "which console is better question".

But the problem with fanboys is that they'll vote "Yes" they enjoy X console even if they really don't and/or fanboys vote "No" on the other consoles.

You would hope that the bigger your sample size, the lesser this factor would be.

But yeah you're right, it's almost fanboy proof :p

[FX-GTZ]

"You're" is a contraction of 'you are'.


Why dont you just say "you are" then?

[Sweating Bullets]

Why dont you just say "you are" then?

It's a common abbreviation.

A bit like "it's" for "it is"

Also this is not a thread about grammar correction - so please cut it out and stop baiting Blue.

[AranchineD]

Yeah, the question is good since it avoids bias unlike a "which console is better question".

But the problem with fanboys is that they'll vote "Yes" they enjoy X console even if they really don't and/or fanboys vote "No" on the other consoles.

You would hope that the bigger your sample size, the lesser this factor would be.

But yeah you're right, it's almost fanboy proof :p

Well they could, but despite Creedy's claims to the contrary there really isn't such a movement on these forums anyway.

Besides, almost everyone who voted ended up posting in the respective threads with legitimate reasons why, so for the most part I'd take this as accurate and honest.

[Xanafalgue]

Expect to see this exposé on ACA tomorrow night.

How will they pin this on Lebanese youths?

[TAT]

Yeah, the question is good since it avoids bias unlike a "which console is better question".

But the problem with fanboys is that they'll vote "Yes" they enjoy X console even if they really don't and/or fanboys vote "No" on the other consoles.

You would hope that the bigger your sample size, the lesser this factor would be.

But yeah you're right, it's almost fanboy proof :p
A public poll would have helped so doubtful souls like yourself could have gone through the list and ticked off everyone who voted and posted.

[Watchers]

I think FX is actually the world's most masterful troll, and I lol at Blue for constantly falling for his devious plots.

[Manny M]

****, I think the fact that you're such a vocal PS3 fanboy could be a plausible reason why not as many people own one.

As ridiculous as this sounds, the only negative I could think of when buying my PS3 slim was that i'd (in some strange way) be associated with that jackass.

In any case, the results of the poll aren't surprising and they pretty much tell the tale of how it has always been with this gen.

The Wii owners, though in their masses, are genuinely unsatisfied. The 'experience' was fun, but very shortlived and quality titles have been few and far between.

The 360 owners have numbers because the system was the first available for the next gen, and at an 'affordable' price (when compared to its upcoming technological competitor, the PS3), and have remained satisfied due to a great selection of titles which have been solidly released throughout its lifecycle.

As for PS3 owners, they're generally a satisfied bunch too... but there are less of them due to the fact that the PS3 was late to join in and the console itself was ridiculously expensive. Couple that with Sony losing exclusivity for a large number of titles, and there was even less of a reason for gamers (mainly those with 360s or no next gen console) to choose the PS3.

I think that if this gen has shown us anything, it's that fanboyism is slowly dying... and those that go on about it are just fanboys themselves. We're all gamers, and most of us now have been so for at least 2 generations of consoles so we know what we want... and will simply go for what can give us that satisfaction at the best price. And for this gen, I feel that the 360 has provided the best avenue for that... which general stats agree with.

[Fenrir]

The better option would be to combine results from major communities, to gain a wider scope and minimise any potential fanboy factors associated with specific user groups.
If you're happy only targeting the forum-going gamer demographic, that'd probably give you a reasonable sample of the public. This survey here is good enough to sate me on that, though.

I think the shortcoming when applying these things to the rest of the console-buying public, is the same one gamers are typically prone to when they point to meta-ranking sites and insist that developers can make it in the industry by making games which score well: the informed, discerning gamer is a very small portion of the market. I can't pull statistics from anywhere other than my arse on this one, but the majority of the net consumer base actually buy movie-franchise games, the gimmick-of-the-moment console/game(s), and whatever else is well-promoted - and many of them are probably going to be satisfied with their Wii for whatever fleeting timeslot they deem acceptable to blow on games, before stashing the thing away and moving on to real hobbies*.


*Yes, meant to be cringeworthy - try picking between game dev and a "real career", though. :(

[igotnewsuper8systemWRONG!]

and many of them are probably going to be satisfied with their Wii for whatever fleeting timeslot they deem acceptable to blow on games, before stashing the thing away and moving on to real hobbies.


Like PS3?

[Xanafalgue]

or waiting at glory holes.

[sausage]

the informed, discerning gamer is a very small portion of the market...


Good point and would describe 99%+ of the members here.

Unfortunately the 90% that is left are just braindead mothers and pathetic children buying the latest fad game or the biggest promoted piece of poos out there.

Ergo, this now makes our little survey all the more interesting.

If anything, for me, the biggest issues I can glean from the figures is Sony's lack of, or loss of, exclusive titles or platform-sharing of said Xbox 360 exclusives and, as someone said earlier, the Wii losing its novelty factor.

Other than that I'd say the Xbox 360 is this generation's favoured console and Sony's is not.



disclaimer: all figures pulled out of my arse.

[Sweating Bullets]

If anything, for me, the biggest issues I can glean from the figures is Sony's lack of, or loss of, exclusive titles or platform-sharing of said Xbox 360 exclusives and, as someone said earlier, the Wii losing its novelty factor.


Didn't Sony have more exclusives this year than Xbox 360?

[aubergine]

I think at this point in the generation there's actually less fanboyism!

Microsoft are such a beige company that they can't command love - they don't have a mascot even (you can't compare the use of Mario to Master Chief) - but when they get it right they DO get some respect.

Sony, perhaps on the browner side of beige, USED to have the respect or love (personally can't grasp the thought process of Playstation owners) but their many mistakes caught up with them with one simple element: the initial price of PS3. being "late" to market didn't matter I don't think, had PS3 been truly competitive with 360 they would have shat it in.

Nintendo were punished for NOT being beige last gen. Despite having the top experiences of the generation from themselves and their partners, and people like me baffled and dismayed that these games weren't selling like they deserved, Nintendo leap-frogged beige and went to purest white.

[Blue]

Why dont you just say "you are" then?It is obvious that you are a moron. I can not understand why you were not able to be taught like regular children, and I have no idea why you did not learn English. I will not continue to discuss this with you, as I am sure that you will not be capable of comprehending any particular formation of letters that I will type.

Why do not you be quiet?

There, I dumbed it down for you. No tricky contractions.



In terms of exclusives, I'd have to say that the 360 has Forza and Halo, and without those two games, I'd have played a lot less. The PS3 only has MGS4, Afrika and WipeOut that I'm annoyed at missing out on.

[igotnewsuper8systemWRONG!]

Am I the only one that thinks the ps3 has a great range of exclusives?

[AranchineD]

Yes.

I mean, "That is an interesting opinion super8 and it is perfectly valid."

[igotnewsuper8systemWRONG!]

That's Mr super8 to you

[Lex]

Am I the only one that thinks the ps3 has a great range of exclusives?

after playing Uncharted and KZ2, yeah, those were the only 2 I really cared about and I was thoroughly underwhelmed by both.

[Creedy]

Am I the only one that thinks the ps3 has a great range of exclusives?

No I agree with you and as much as many people want to play MGS4, it's far from the best experience on PS3.

How anyone could honestly prefer Halo 3 over Killzone 2 is beyond me.
Gears of War on the other hand beats Killzone 2 hands down.

Forza 3 is about the only thing I'll be buying on my X360 this year, it's exclusives don't interest me really.

[SOX]

How anyone could honestly prefer Halo 3 over Killzone 2 is beyond me.

I guess that's where personal preference comes in

[igotnewsuper8systemWRONG!]

Haze is the best

[SOX]

Haze is the best

"That is an interesting opinion super8 and it is perfectly valid."

[igotnewsuper8systemWRONG!]

"That is an interesting opinion super8 and it is perfectly valid."

Fooled, it's not valid at all.

I don't care what anyone says, but sometimes peoples opinions are wrong. Sure you could say, Halo 3 or Killzone 2, matter of opinion, but if someone were to claim that Haze beats both, there is no question about it, they have an incorrect opinion.


after playing Uncharted and KZ2, yeah, those were the only 2 I really cared about and I was thoroughly underwhelmed by both.

Probably just overwhelmed by the amazing visuals and amazing storage space on a blu ray disc

[Australian Ninja]

I mostly play my 360, DSi and PS2.

Have no intention of buying a Wii (well maybe cheap at the end of it's lifespan when it has 5 or more games that I want to actually play).

Still have not bought a PS3, as I absolutley refuse to pay over $500 for any console, EVER. So if I have to wait a year or two for it get cheaper, then that's what I wll do. And maybe start building a library of games for PS3 in the mean time, like I did both with the Playstation and GBA SP (bought games first, waited for good price to buy console / handheld).

[igotnewsuper8systemWRONG!]

You realise the ps3 is now less than $500?

[Lex]

Probably just overwhelmed by the amazing visuals and amazing storage space on a blu ray disc

lol. see that's just it, the graphics were well below what I was expecting given the way they're talked up, Uncharted especially, just looked like a blurry mess to me :/

[igotnewsuper8systemWRONG!]

Probably just feeling a bit dizzy from the overwhelming sound effects and voice acting

[AranchineD]

lol. see that's just it, the graphics were well below what I was expecting given the way they're talked up, Uncharted especially, just looked like a blurry mess to me :/

Obviously it's your TV that's the problem then, you should have thought ahead and bought a Sony endorsed television for best game performance every time.

[SOX]

Obviously it's your TV that's the problem then, you should have thought ahead and bought a Sony endorsed television for best game performance every time.

Then when you realise that is not completely satisfactory you have to pick up some Sony HDMI cable for ultimate gaming satisfaction.
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[Cicada]

Am I the only one that thinks the ps3 has a great range of exclusives?

As a PC/Wii owner, I agree with you. Perhaps it comes from never having owned a Sony console, but games like God of War, MGS, LBP etc... have a sense of the "big" exclusive about them, that the game is special in and of itself and has benefited from dedicated production on a single platform, similar to Nintendo's big 3. Most 360 exclusives are available and in my opinion superior on PC (albeit often with a small release delay), and lack the intangible goodness that comes from platform specificity.

Of course, if I didn't play games on my PC I'd probably buy a 360 over a PS3, because many quality 3rd party titles seem to fare better on it, but that's a different matter ;)

[AranchineD]

I still think it's an irrelevant point not to call an exclusive on 360 an exclusive because it also came out on PC, it's still Microsoft exclusive!

[SOX]

I still think it's an irrelevant point not to call an exclusive on 360 an exclusive because it also came out on PC, it's still Microsoft exclusive!

If the original Xbox taught me anything it was that this opinion is completely wrong. If it's on PC it'll make your 360 version redundant in a few years when your computer becomes OMGWTFRARGHHH

[AranchineD]

But I can't afford a computer like that :(

[Lazlow]

Most 360 exclusives are available and in my opinion superior on PC (albeit often with a small release delay)

Firstly I wouldn't say most, a handful at best. Ace Combat 6, Forza 2, Blue Dragon, Crackdown, Dead or Alive 4, Fable 2, Gears of War 2, Infinite Undiscovery, Kameo, Lost Odyssey, Naruto: Rise of the Ninja, Viva Pinata, PGR3/PGR4, Too Human, Saints Row and Star Ocean: The Last Hope all haven't made it across.

A PC version of Mass Effect was over 6 months, and Gears of War was 12 months after the intial XBOX 360 release. Maybe its just me, but I wouldn't call that a small delay.

lack the intangible goodness that comes from platform specificity

Sounds like a load of wank to me. What "intangible goodness" do PS3 exclusive games have, that XBOX 360 exlusives don't? :/

[freeradical]

Sounds like a load of wank to me. What "intangible goodness" do PS3 exclusive games have, that XBOX 360 exlusives don't? :/

Their intangibleness!??????

[SOX]

What "intangible goodness" do PS3 exclusive games have, that XBOX 360 exlusives don't?

I spose if you have a SIXAXIS over a DUAL SHOCK3 but the game supports rumble then there's an "intangible goodness" there..?

[Creedy]

I still think it's an irrelevant point not to call an exclusive on 360 an exclusive because it also came out on PC, it's still Microsoft exclusive!

It's not irrelevant, I have an 8800GTX with 768MB of RAM
Why would I buy the X360 version over the PC version?

In regards to exclusives over the coming 6 months.

X360
Forza 3
Mass Effect 2 (maybe PC)
Alan Wake (awaiting PC announcement)

PS3
Ninja Gaiden Sigma 2
Demon's Souls
Uncharted 2
Ratchet & Clank Future: A Crack in Time
MAG
God of War 3
White Knight Chronicles
Heavy Rain
Modnation Racers

Yeah .... can't really see many reasons to turn my X360 on at all.

[Tonez]

It's not irrelevant, I have an 8800GTX with 768MB of RAM
Why would I buy the X360 version over the PC version?

Ummmm because not everyone has a 8800GTX with 768MB of RAM.

I know this question has already been asked but are you being intentionally daft? Not everything that applies to you will apply to everyone else mate.

[AranchineD]

Just out of interest, you play games using Windows on your PC, right Creedy?

Besides, if we go along this line of thinking we end up with the conclusion that the X360 would have more "exclusives" if Microsoft had made the X360's programming structure completely dissimiliar to PC so developers had to double the effort to put their game on both platforms.

[sausage]

It's not irrelevant, I have an 8800GTX with 768MB of RAM
Why would I buy the X360 version over the PC version?

LOL so it bloody well works and doesn't seize up every 15 minutes requiring a re-start (Witcher I'm looking at you).

Pretty much every PC game I've played has had its 'moments' shall we say. Some just don't install or play full stop.

Go ahead, mock my PC skills but by merely posting in this forum I am automatically in the "reasonably intelligent" demographic and own a kick-ass rig that played Crysis sweet but wouldn't run other slightly older games so go figure.

[Cicada]

To Lazlow:

You're right about the delays, I guess as I don't buy massive amounts of games and generally get them a while after release anyway I underestimated that aspect. The list you gave is certainly long, but not all of them are undisputed quality; Gears of War 2, Forza 2 and PGR; possibly Saints Row, Fable and Crackdown are what I'd put as AAA. Although that doesn't change the fact that they are exclusives, missing out on a lot of average JRPGs designed to get the Xbox a foothold in Japan doesn't really faze me. A game like FFXIII on the other hand...

Wikipedia states that the 360 has 119 exclusives and 78 "console" exclusives, so I was wrong in saying most, but 40% in my mind is more than a handful.

Of course the intangible goodness is a load of wank, is there anything intangible that isn't? It's just that whenever I play a 360 game, I think about how much better it would be/is on PC. Excepting Castle Crashers. The one time I played God of War and Ico I didn't get that.

As a final point, I'll just say that my views with the whole Xbox/PC thing are coming mostly from the viewpoint of playing "western" games, ie adventures or 3rd/1st person shooters. I completely forgot about many of the games that Lazlow mentioned, because they didn't seem representative of the games that most people I know buy a 360 to play: the CoDs and Gears and Mass Effects and Halos, most of which are also on PC.

So yeah, any chance we can get a handheld one of these things going?

[Lazlow]

The list you gave is certainly long, but not all of them are undisputed quality

Not a factor in this discussion; a fair few PS3 exclusives people like to promote/list I wouldn't touch even if they gave them to me.

There are plenty of people who enjoyed those "average" JPRGs.

[Blob]

Not a factor in this discussion; a fair few PS3 exclusives people like to promote/list I wouldn't touch even if they gave them to me.


Tell you what im sick of Heavy Rain being listed as a system seller. Most people dont even know what its going to be and having played Fahrenheit I doubt its going to be anything above average and wouldve been better off being a movie.

MAG on the other hand could turn out to be the clincher for me to get a PS3. Or at least spend a lot of time at my mates place.

[Tonez]

Tell you what im sick of Heavy Rain being listed as a system seller. Most people dont even know what its going to be and having played Fahrenheit I doubt its going to be anything above average and wouldve been better off being a movie.

MAG on the other hand could turn out to be the clincher for me to get a PS3. Or at least spend a lot of time at my mates place.

I've heard demos of MAG have been showing a lot of lag and that's over a closed network. Over the net I really can't see how this will work. Their suggestions of 256 multiplayer just seems very optimistic.

[JONO RANDOM H3RO]

It's not irrelevant, I have an 8800GTX with 768MB of RAM
Why would I buy the X360 version over the PC version?

In regards to exclusives over the coming 6 months.

X360
Forza 3
Mass Effect 2 (maybe PC)
Alan Wake (awaiting PC announcement)

PS3
Ninja Gaiden Sigma 2
Demon's Souls
Uncharted 2
Ratchet & Clank Future: A Crack in Time
MAG
God of War 3
White Knight Chronicles
Heavy Rain
Modnation Racers

Yeah .... can't really see many reasons to turn my X360 on at all.

You forgot ODST and The ballad of Gay Tony content :). I do agree that the PS3 has the better lineup of upcoming exclusives but alot of multi platform games I'd rather play on the 360.

[Cicada]

Not a factor in this discussion; a fair few PS3 exclusives people like to promote/list I wouldn't touch even if they gave them to me.

There are plenty of people who enjoyed those "average" JPRGs.

I already acknowledged that, and I'm sure plenty of people did enjoy those average JRPGs; I was not using average as a synonym for mediocre. I'll also reiterate that I've never actually owned a Sony console, and can list the number of times that I've played any of them on one hand. It just feels to me, personally, that the 360 exclusives touted as system sellers/killer apps are the ones that are also on PC or are similar to PC games. There aren't many Team Ico or God of War or Little Big Planet style unique and A-grade exclusives on 360 that I am aware of. There's plenty of very average PS3 exclusives, there are also plenty of games like Resistance or Killzone 2 that fall into genres that are better represented on 360/PC. I was just agreeing that the PS3 had some a good range of exclusives and stating why, if I was buying a console on exclusives alone, I would buy a PS3 ahead of a 360. Nothing more. I apologise for not making this clearer.

[Blob]

I've heard demos of MAG have been showing a lot of lag and that's over a closed network. Over the net I really can't see how this will work. Their suggestions of 256 multiplayer just seems very optimistic.

Shame :(
Maybe theyll delay release untill they get it sorted out. Or they drop the number from 256 which may then remove the lure of the game.

[Creedy]

Ummmm because not everyone has a 8800GTX with 768MB of RAM.

I know this question has already been asked but are you being intentionally daft? Not everything that applies to you will apply to everyone else mate.


And not everyone owns a PS3 and an X360 so what's your point?
You saying PC's shouldn't be counted just because you don't own a good enough PC is pretty stupid. That's like saying you shouldn't include the PS3 in 3rd party comparisons because you don't own one.

If you own both a PS3 and X360 of course you'll weigh up both versions of a game.
If you own a PS3, an X360 and a kick ass PC you'll weigh up the game on all 3 platforms.

You forgot ODST and The ballad of Gay Tony content :). I do agree that the PS3 has the better lineup of upcoming exclusives but alot of multi platform games I'd rather play on the 360.

Can you please ell me what exactly ODST is? Does it have a full length single player campaign?

[SOX]

Can you please ell me what exactly ODST is? Does it have a full length single player campaign?

From what I understand it is a full length single player game set in an open world (like GTA or whatever) and comes bundled with Halo 3 multi.

[HiredMan]

Can you please ell me what exactly ODST is? Does it have a full length single player campaign?

Apparently yes:

Lead producer Curtis Creamer has stated that the campaign's length is similar to that of previous Halo games.

And while we're nitpicking, can you please ell (sic) me what exactly Ninja Gaiden Sigma 2 is? Is it not a remake of an Xbox 360 exclusive?

[AranchineD]

And not everyone owns a PS3 and an X360 so what's your point?
You saying PC's shouldn't be counted just because you don't own a good enough PC is pretty stupid. That's like saying you shouldn't include the PS3 in 3rd party comparisons because you don't own one.

Look, my point was that you can't say a game isn't an X360 exclusive because it's on PC as well, because really, on the most basic level they're both Microsoft platforms (if you're using Windows, of course), and as such, could be considered "Microsoft exclusive" (considering most 360/PC games end up as "Games For Windows Live" it further strengthens this argument).

And again I'll quote what I said before and you ignored:

Besides, if we go along this line of thinking we end up with the conclusion that the X360 would have more "exclusives" if Microsoft had made the X360's programming structure completely dissimiliar to PC so developers had to double the effort to put their game on both platforms.

[Creedy]

And while we're nitpicking, can you please ell (sic) me what exactly Ninja Gaiden Sigma 2 is? Is it not a remake of an Xbox 360 exclusive?

Yeah with enough new content and performance improvements to warrant the X360 version as a beta test. :o

If ODST is a full length open world FPS title I will totally buy it. When does it get released?
Even if it's not open world I'll buy it, I just wasn't sure if it had a full single player campaign or not.

[HiredMan]

Yeah with enough new content and performance improvements to warrant the X360 version as a beta test. :oOh Creedy, you crack me, so consistently, up :D

If ODST is a full length open world FPS title I will totally buy it. When does it get released?
Even if it's not open world I'll buy it, I just wasn't sure if it had a full single player campaign or not.

From what I've read, a "full length open world FPS title" is exactly what it is.

Worldwide release is 22 September (Tuesday week). Go nuts mate.

[Cicada]

Look, my point was that you can't say a game isn't an X360 exclusive because it's on PC as well, because really, on the most basic level they're both Microsoft platforms (if you're using Windows, of course), and as such, could be considered "Microsoft exclusive" (considering most 360/PC games end up as "Games For Windows Live" it further strengthens this argument).

My problem with that line of thinking is it ends up furthering the frankly bizarre loyalty some people (i.e. fanboys) swear to faceless corporations, rather than distinguishing between which is the better system or platform.

[Tonez]

Splinter Cell Conviction is also 360 only.

I might add that from now on I will also consider all multiplatform games as 360 exclusive, since the performance and looks of a title is such a massive thing, why would I get them on the PS3?

[AranchineD]

My problem with that line of thinking is it ends up furthering the frankly bizarre loyalty some people (i.e. fanboys) swear to faceless corporations, rather than distinguishing between which is the better system or platform.

Perhaps, but stupid people are stupid people no matter what you do or how you define the gaming world.

Just seems to be the age now though where we're talking more about company exclusives than console exclusives.

[freeradical]

For me its about my choice in game not the company/console. There are exclusives for PS3/360 that i will never buy, because they are not 'my' type of games.

[Creedy]

Worldwide release is 22 September (Tuesday week). Go nuts mate.

/me goes to Tronix to order Halo ODST (X360), MUA2 (X360) and NFS: Shift (PS3).

[Second]

How the hell does Creedy manage to retard up a thread so easily? It's ****ing amazing.

[SOX]

I thought his last post was passable as normal, you guys seem to forget what he used to be like

[Cerebral]

This thread rules.

[Munky]

Last Saturday showed me a reason why I love my XBox more than my PS3.

Neither console was connecting to their respctive online services.

The PS3 told me I had a DMS error.

The 360 gave me the same error however it has a diagnosis tool that told me to go reset my modem and router.

This worked and I was back online thanks to the 360, the PS3 offered nothing but an error. For all I know the PS3 might have a similar tool but ****ed if I know where to find it.

[jawsy]

I might add that from now on I will also consider all multiplatform games as 360 exclusive, since the performance and looks of a title is such a massive thing, why would I get them on the PS3?

Love it.

[Starscream]

360 is King.

360 - Reliability problems aside (and a crappy D-pad), this is the console of this gen to own. Release more Jasper Elites.

Wii - Nintendo franchises is what (for the most part) keeps it alive.

PS3 - If it weren't a future proof Blu-ray player, I wouldn't haven't even considered it. And the other main selling point for me was that the JAP launch model had PS2 hardware.

[FrozenSoul80]

360 is King.

Actually, I think you will find that Grimlock is king.

[Starscream]

Actually, I think you will find that Grimlock is king.

You ring, we bring.

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[tau]

The 360 gave me the same error however it has a diagnosis tool that told me to go reset my modem and router.

This worked and I was back online thanks to the 360, the PS3 offered nothing but an error. For all I know the PS3 might have a similar tool but ****ed if I know where to find it.

Wow, it ran its incredibly advanced Microsoft Systems Diagnostics Extreme Gamer Tool and... it suggested turning your network off and on again?

Incredible.

[aubergine]

This thread should have a divisive 360-or-ps3-or-wii poll.

[igotnewsuper8systemWRONG!]

It's pretty obvious what the outcome would be

[SOX]

Sega Megadrive obviously