I call it paedophile city! [Archive]

texta

15-09-2009, 03:43 PM

So that predictable old argument of what to do with Dennis Ferguson (convicted paedophile) has reared it's ugly head again.
Linky (http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/09/15/2686448.htm)

Ferguson has gone to jail for paedophilia, served his time and now wherever he lives his neighbours demand that he leave.

So how would you feel if he moved in next to you?

To be honest, it's not something that would worry me. I'm not so concerned about the convicted paedophiles that you can identify and know where they live, as the non-convicted paedophiles who you don't know at all*.

I certainly think it's probably much easier to protect your children from a known paedophile than anyone else.

(*or more likely, know very well except for them being a paedophile)

As a supplementary question: Obviously paedophiles are the Ultimate Evil (tm) etc, but what other criminals would you especially draw ire or not draw ire at having live near you? Murders? Rapists? Insider traders?

Stevorooni

15-09-2009, 03:53 PM

We've all probably got criminals living around us, we just don't know about them so we live in ignorant bliss.

Lordage

15-09-2009, 03:54 PM

Having not been in such a situation it's hard to say.

Most likely it would make me a little uncomfortable at first, however I doubt I would cause a scene such as the one in Ryde.

Araenel

15-09-2009, 03:55 PM

I don't have kids so I don't have any particular leaning one way or the other. Might change if I had a vested interest in a child of mine, but right now I don't really care.

TAT

15-09-2009, 04:20 PM

I don't have kids so I don't have any particular leaning one way or the other. Might change if I had a vested interest in a child of mine, but right now I don't really care.
Same.

Rypien GT

15-09-2009, 04:31 PM

Almighty Beanchild

15-09-2009, 04:51 PM

Tonez

15-09-2009, 06:07 PM

As a supplementary question: Obviously paedophiles are the Ultimate Evil (tm) etc, but what other criminals would you especially draw ire or not draw ire at having live near you? Murders? Rapists? Insider traders?

Jaywalkers.

I would never want one in my neighbourhood. They make my skin crawl.

Halt, Hammerzeit

15-09-2009, 06:41 PM

If i saw this bloke i'd kick his arse. To any human being, the abuse of children is one of the worst acts you can commit. Once you have your own kids you definately become even more militant when the issue of child abuse raises its head.

I say someone should put this bloke out of his misery and finish him off. Painfully.

But at what point does a crime become forgiven? Murderers don't get named and shamed to the extent that there's a publicly complied list with their name on it. I think rapists get put on the sex offender's list but there doesn't seem to be the outcry over a convicted sex offender moving next door to the type of person they offended against let alone the whole neighbourhood. I say let him be.

texta

15-09-2009, 07:02 PM

Once you have your own kids you definately become even more militant when the issue of child abuse raises its head.To be honest, since having kid my attitude to punishment for child abuse hasn't really changed at all. I definitely haven't become more militant.

If anything I think I have less time for these kind of emotionally driven barbaric cries for violence.

Blue

15-09-2009, 11:28 PM

I'd love to have one of those 28 year old female 'sexual predators' who **** the schoolboys living next door.

Fenrir

16-09-2009, 03:49 AM

Bleh, I suppose this sort of thing will go on until he finally decides to top himself.

I s'pose that's kind-of what I want to see happen, too, because there isn't really anywhere he can go, and we as a society just aren't good enough to rise above this shit - and only when we've pressured him into lodging a bullet in his cerebral cortex will anyone feel (or rather, report) any concern for the guy's plight.

sausage

16-09-2009, 05:44 AM

If that piece of shit asshole moved in next door I'd burn his house down - seriously.

If I get caught so be it - demand trial by jury and get off - easy peasy.

Lazlow

16-09-2009, 07:07 AM

I sure hope violent and unbalanced individuals like Rypien _GT and sillysausage don't move into my community.

Fenrir

16-09-2009, 07:18 AM

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/09/16/2687032.htm

I'll comment soon.

sausage

16-09-2009, 07:32 AM

I sure hope violent and unbalanced individuals like Rypien _GT and sillysausage don't move into my community.

I have many, many more but now it's your turn!

What's your annoying habit?

Not getting consent.

:mad: hypocrite

Tonez

16-09-2009, 07:47 AM

sausage

16-09-2009, 07:50 AM

It didn't take long.

I think THIS (http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw-act/gang-of-males-shouting-molotov-cocktail-outside-dennis-ferguson-home-in-ryde/story-e6freuzi-1225774496769) was inevitable once everyone knew where he lived.

from the link:

"When they arrived the men were not there but a member of the media pointed out a bottle containing liquid on the side of the road outside Ferguson’s public housing unit block.A police spokeswoman said the bottle had been taken for forensic analysis."

You've got to be frickin kidding me......... unbelievable.

Halt, Hammerzeit

16-09-2009, 07:50 AM

Ah good old gang mentality.

Halt, Hammerzeit

16-09-2009, 07:51 AM

from the link:

"When they arrived the men were not there but a member of the media pointed out a bottle containing liquid on the side of the road outside Ferguson’s public housing unit block.A police spokeswoman said the bottle had been taken for forensic analysis."

You've got to be frickin kidding me......... unbelievable.

This guy has served his time in jail. Why shouldn't he have some semblance of peace in his life?

Lazlow

16-09-2009, 08:18 AM

sausage

16-09-2009, 08:22 AM

This guy has served his time in jail. Why shouldn't he have some semblance of peace in his life?

Because once a paedophile always a paedophile in my experience.

There are plenty of out of the way places that the government, if they were serious, could put this shithead.

The people have spoken.

Also, totally not what your referred post of mine indicated. I was raging at the waste of police resources in forensically analysing the petrol.

Jesus, any dickhead with half a brain can smell petrol.

Meanwhile, other crimes have to wait so this "petrol" can be verified; and to what end?

Madness.

texta

16-09-2009, 08:28 AM

Anyone else find this to be an infuriating and manipulative read? (http://blogs.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/yoursay/index.php/dailytelegraph/comments/monsters_and_enraged_mobs/)

Especially the bit about his reactions whilst being hounded by the media. :/

As an aside one of the things that really bothers me is this attitude to victims of rape.
...left three young lives destroyed forever...

Now I'm not saying that being raped wouldn't be a terrible and traumatic thing, but I wonder how you cope afterwards if everyone tells you your life has been destroyed? I feel like that attitude itself could be a fairly serious impediment to recovery.

Tonez

16-09-2009, 09:19 AM

Because once a paedophile always a paedophile in my experience.

There are plenty of out of the way places that the government, if they were serious, could put this shithead.

The people have spoken.

Also, totally not what your referred post of mine indicated. I was raging at the waste of police resources in forensically analysing the petrol.

Jesus, any dickhead with half a brain can smell petrol.

Meanwhile, other crimes have to wait so this "petrol" can be verified; and to what end?

Madness.

I'd say the forensic analysis would also involve searching for any sign of DNA or fingerprints etc to see who left the weapon there, wouldn't you?

Also you said from your experience, once a paedophile, always a paedophile. Can I ask what experience you are referring to? Are you a psychologist or psychiatrist?

EDIT: Just as an aside I suggest you look into the statistics about reoffending padeophiles. I think you'll be pleasantly surprised.

lex3191

16-09-2009, 09:21 AM

i think that people who commit such acts have serious mental problems, probably serious emotional problems, quite likely suffering some sort of physical or emotional abuse as children themselves. i dont sympathise with them. it is a truly abhorrent act, that alters the course of the lives of their victims forever. I am not sure that putting them in jail and then releasing them into the public is a successful deterent for a sexual predator. like a drug addict the desire outways the risk in getting caught.

The government should put these people in psychiatric care and if they are released constantly monitored and medicated not just lock them up then release them. im sure they have some sort of councilling in jail. my point is that i dont think jail serves any purpose but to deepen their desire to act, once they are released and become social pariahs why would they care anymore about what happens to them or to other potential victims.

Lex

16-09-2009, 09:25 AM

So, rehabilitation is nonexistant to you retards? When did all the ACA watchers sign up?

Tonez

16-09-2009, 09:26 AM

So, rehabilitation is nonexistant to you retards? When did all the ACA watchers sign up?

5char

Fenrir

16-09-2009, 09:27 AM

StorminNorman

16-09-2009, 09:27 AM

Not enough people posting in this thread have watched the Brass Eye Paedophile Special. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y7jVnrfoZD8)

Tonez

16-09-2009, 09:28 AM

Not enough people posting in this thread have watched the Brass Eye Paedophile Special. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y7jVnrfoZD8)

My work has blocked youtube.

Can you summarise please?

sausage

16-09-2009, 09:28 AM

I'd say the forensic analysis would also involve searching for any sign of DNA or fingerprints etc to see who left the weapon there, wouldn't you?

1. No, petrol fumes and liquid destroy the oils left by fingers.

2. Plus, good luck in getting elimination prints and DNA profiles from the mob that was there.

3. Also, most likely scenario will be the so-called "offender" (hero) will be a cleanskin and never been fingerprinted, let alone DNA profiled.

Jeez, I wish you guys would just stop and think about the practicalities of evidence gathering and the chain of evidence before spouting off CSI episodes.

Also you said from your experience, once a paedophile, always a paedophile. Can I ask what experience you are referring to? Are you a psychologist or psychiatrist?

Neither, I work in the real world; Police Youth Aid and Child Abuse Team for around four years of my nine year illustrious police career.

Tonez

16-09-2009, 09:31 AM

1. No, petrol fumes and liquid destroy the oils left by fingers.

2. Plus, good luck in getting elimination prints and DNA profiles from the mob that was there.

3. Also, most likely scenario will be the so-called "offender" (hero) will be a cleanskin and never been fingerprinted, let alone DNA profiled.

Jeez, I wish you guys would just stop and think about the practicalities of evidence gathering and the chain of evidence before spouting off CSI episodes.

Neither, I work in the real world; Police Youth Aid and Child Abuse Team for around four years of my nine year illustrious police career.

So because there's a possibility that they can gather nothing about the offender they should just not waste their time? Would you say the same if someone had been killed as a result of the weapon? God you can be a moron sometimes.

Also I'm pretty sure the bottle was intact so there's a great possibility there could be fingerprints on the outside of the bottle.

As I said in my previous post, you need to look into stats of reoffending rapists and paedophiles because obviously your 9 year illustrious career hasn't taught you shit other then to be close minded.

Lex

16-09-2009, 09:32 AM

So... You've worked with only the victims. That backs up your comments how?

sausage

16-09-2009, 09:38 AM

So because there's a possibility that they can gather nothing about the offender they should just not waste their time? Would you say the same if someone had been killed as a result of the weapon? God you can be a moron sometimes.

Maybe so, but this moron doesn't live in your crime and punishment utopia of unlimited police resources and due process.

sausage

16-09-2009, 09:39 AM

So... You've worked with only the victims. That backs up your comments how?

Your assumptions Lex; If you can't get past the fact that police occasionally work with offenders too then I'm not going to bait your line.

StorminNorman

16-09-2009, 09:42 AM

My work has blocked youtube.

Can you summarise please?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brass_Eye#Paedophilia_special_.282001.29

And if your work has blocked Wikipedia, you should work for a less-fascist organisation.

Lex

16-09-2009, 09:43 AM

sausage

16-09-2009, 09:44 AM

Oh FFS you stupid ****. You were asked to explain what gave you the experience
of knowing you can't rehabilitate a criminal, you said working with the kids. Are you ****ing thick?

I just thank **** you're not a cop in my city, you're obviously a shit one.

Ex cop actually lol.

I love making you guys lose your rag when arguing with me; it's such a struggle when real life practicalities come to an argument isn't it?

Lex

16-09-2009, 09:46 AM

Thank ****.

sausage

16-09-2009, 09:47 AM

No, thank you.

Pauly

16-09-2009, 09:47 AM

I'd love to have one of those 28 year old female 'sexual predators' who **** the schoolboys living next door.
pity 95% of sex offenders are males...

Lex

16-09-2009, 09:53 AM

Ex cop actually lol.

I love making you guys lose your rag when arguing with me; it's such a struggle when real life practicalities come to an argument isn't it?

Excuse me? You're a cop that doesn't believe in rehabilitation. You're a failure of the system. No wonder you're no longer a cop, the world doesn't need thoughtless simpletons in positions of power.

texta

16-09-2009, 10:03 AM

Maybe so, but this moron doesn't live in your crime and punishment utopia of unlimited police resources and due process.I don't think you need to live in a utopia for the police to take the discovery of potentially a molotov cocktail seriously.

Look, if you really have this experience in the police force that you say, you'd of course know that the accuracy of the media reporting on potentially criminal events is not always complete and without knowing the full facts of the discovery of this bottle and its contents I think you'd agree that it's completely retarded to make assessments regarding the value of the work the police are doing.

It's all very well to say that he's a paedophile and the police should turn a blind eye to attempts to murder him or something. But if someone did throw a molotov cocktail into his unit is that very fair to the people that live in the same block of units as him or to the firemen who have to risk their lives trying to protect those other people? What about the damage to government property?

sausage

16-09-2009, 10:08 AM

Because once a paedophile always a paedophile in my experience.

Excuse me? You're a cop that doesn't believe in rehabilitation. You're a failure of the system. No wonder you're no longer a cop, the world doesn't need thoughtless simpletons in positions of power.

Where exactly did I say I didn't believe in rehabilitation? I believe criminals can be rehabilitated but not paedophiles. That in itself doesn't deserve the vitriol coming from your perspective.

I believe you need to chill out Lex; this sort of wild behaviour is exactly the sort of catalyst to violence that this thread is all about.

Lex

16-09-2009, 10:11 AM

I believe criminals can be rehabilitated but not paedophiles.

derpderpderp

anyone still believe this simp was ever a cop?

Lazlow

16-09-2009, 10:13 AM

I believe criminals can be rehabilitated but not paedophiles.

Why?
.

sausage

16-09-2009, 10:18 AM

I don't think you need to live in a utopia for the police to take the discovery of potentially a molotov cocktail seriously.

Look, if you really have this experience in the police force that you say, you'd of course know that the accuracy of the media reporting on potentially criminal events is not always complete and without knowing the full facts of the discovery of this bottle and its contents I think you'd agree that it's completely retarded to make assessments regarding the value of the work the police are doing.

It's all very well to say that he's a paedophile and the police should turn a blind eye to attempts to murder him or something. But if someone did throw a molotov cocktail into his unit is that very fair to the people that live in the same block of units as him or to the firemen who have to risk their lives trying to protect those other people? What about the damage to government property?

Well all I have to say is the catalyst for all of this is the paedophile for committing crimes against children in the first place.

You see, after he committed the crimes it set forth a sequence of events that is still happening now. The public call it news, I like to think of it as the ongoing results of the original crime.

If we continue to focus on the "story" and the (god forbid) "molotv cocktail" then we are effectively setting in motion more of the same.

It's really very simple; move the creep somewhere where no-one else lives and with effective government support and monitoring.

The cops shouldn't be gathering evidence that isn't even there and focus on the real issue; getting the top brass in police to lean on the member of parliament in charge of Justice to move this prick.

sausage

16-09-2009, 10:19 AM

derpderpderp

anyone still believe this simp was ever a cop?

Oh really Lex... stooping so low as to call me a liar? Shame on you.

Tonez

16-09-2009, 10:20 AM

Lex

16-09-2009, 10:20 AM

Just answer lazlows question. Why?

Fenrir

16-09-2009, 10:25 AM

I believe criminals can be rehabilitated but not paedophiles.
This isn't something you can divine via dissociate life experience and pure moralistic conviction. Do as Tonez said - look into the current statistics and studies on the subject.

sausage

16-09-2009, 10:25 AM

Why?

Is it really that hard to believe that I have such a view? How are views made? Through experience and research and other things I guess.

Grind me to the ground if you guys want but my views will never change. I do not need to stipulate every little reasoning for my views because quite frankly it wouldn't sate your anger or outrage so I ask you a question back:

Why should I bother?

You've all made it quite plain what your views are and that's fine, no problem.

sausage

16-09-2009, 10:25 AM

Weren't you the one just talking about wasting taxpayer's money? Do you have any idea how much it would cost to move him to a place where no-one else lives?

A whole lot less than what it is costing police and government departments now I can tell you.

Araenel

16-09-2009, 10:29 AM

Except the people investigating/working on this are doing a job they'd be doing anyway, it's not increased expenditure, it's money we've already spent for those jobs to begin with.

If you want to argue about whether it's a frivolous use of time, well, then you'll have to go and examine every single case that has ever been, and ever will be, investigated to see if it passes your lofty standards of "worth".

Lex

16-09-2009, 10:29 AM

Tonez

16-09-2009, 10:31 AM

Is it really that hard to believe that I have such a view? How are views made? Through experience and research and other things I guess.

Grind me to the ground if you guys want but my views will never change. I do not need to stipulate every little reasoning for my views because quite frankly it wouldn't sate your anger or outrage so I ask you a question back?

Why should I bother?

You've all made it quite plain what your views are and that's fine, no problem.

If there's one thing I learnt quickly here (or on any forum) it's that you can't just put your opinion out there without backing up why you feel that way.

You can't call the statement "Paedophiles can't be rehabilitated" a real opinion anyway, because opinions can't really be disproved or proved.

"Blueberry muffins taste horrible" is an opinion but the padeophile statement is not.

Lazlow

16-09-2009, 10:36 AM

Grind me to the ground if you guys want but my views will never change.

Someone so close minded should probably avoid debate or discussion then.

texta

16-09-2009, 10:38 AM

Well all I have to say is the catalyst for all of this is the paedophile for committing crimes against children in the first place.

You see, after he committed the crimes it set forth a sequence of events that is still happening now. The public call it news, I like to think of it as the ongoing results of the original crime.

If we continue to focus on the "story" and the (god forbid) "molotv cocktail" then we are effectively setting in motion more of the same.Sure, absolutely. I don't think crime can be justified by the existence of previous crimes though. If it turned out that Ferguson had himself been raped as a child then would his actions suddenly be okay?

It's really very simple; move the creep somewhere where no-one else lives and with effective government support and monitoring.So we move him somewhere where no one else is, but then also move in government officials to support and monitor him as well? Sounds like a great idea if we lived in some kind of utopian world with limitless resources and people who are prepared to move away from all their friends and family to look after a paedophile.

The cops shouldn't be gathering evidence that isn't even there and focus on the real issue; getting the top brass in police to lean on the member of parliament in charge of Justice to move this prick.Obviously the police force in NZ is a bit different, but in Australia our cops as a whole are actually capable of doing more than one thing at once. Perhaps our entry requirements are a bit higher or something? And they're in the area to protect the peace, not just Ferguson. If things turned (more) ugly, it's not just Ferguson who could get hurt.

If you lived next to a paedophile and your house got firebombed because someone had bad aim and the poilce were busy "focusing on the real issue" would you be okay with that?

We don't know the full details of what's going on and we certainly don't know what evidence is available or what standard the police are using for their "forensic investigation", but the police have a duty to protect the public and uphold the law so I think it's entirely appropriate that they look into it.

The NSW Government is already looking at moving him (Premier Rees has said he'll be moved today) as well as legislative changes so there's probably no need for the police to be leaning on anyone.

sausage

16-09-2009, 10:39 AM

Maybe I should have put "on this" in there somewhere.

Lazlow

16-09-2009, 10:57 AM

Still, is it based on any form of factual evidence, or just your own prejudices?

EDIT:

Just so its clear I'm not shit stirring;

Existing data indicates that the majority of sex offenders do not re-offend sexually over time (Harris & Hanson, 2004). Additionally, research studies over the past two decades have consistently indicated that recidivism rates for sex offenders are, in reality, lower than the re-offense rates for most other types of offenders. In a longitudinal study that followed 4,742 known sex offenders over a period of 15 years, 24% were charged with or convicted of, a new sexual offense (Harris & Hanson, 2004). The U.S. Department of Justice found that 5% of 9,691 sex offenders released from prisons in 1994 were re-arrested for new sex crimes within three years. Recent research data from California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation indicate that fewer than 4% of the convicted sex offenders released to parole in 2003 were returned for a new sex offense over the course of a three year period of living in the community under parole supervision (CDCR Research, 2007).

sausage

16-09-2009, 11:19 AM

You can label it anything you want guys.

Lazlow

16-09-2009, 11:29 AM

Cool; "ignorant"

Rypien GT

16-09-2009, 11:38 AM

Lazlow

16-09-2009, 11:44 AM

Way to dive into the emotional deep end chief.

But will the pedophile have a chance at rehabilitation and entering society again (as with most other criminals)?

No.

Nice going wack job.

Not to mention the fact that you would selfishly concern yourself more with vegeance, rather than avoiding jail time and being there for your family.

McChimp

16-09-2009, 12:11 PM

As an aside one of the things that really bothers me is this attitude to victims of rape.......
.....Now I'm not saying that being raped wouldn't be a terrible and traumatic thing, but I wonder how you cope afterwards if everyone tells you your life has been destroyed? I feel like that attitude itself could be a fairly serious impediment to recovery.

From the outside looking-in, it seems like a 'life-destroying' thing, and for some people it truly does destroy them. Some people turn to drugs, alcohol addiction or even commit suicide over their inability to cope with what's happened to them. Then there's others who fight through it and continue on with their lives, not letting it take them down.

I've been friends with a few rape victims (one being my girlfriend at the time who sadly trusted someone who 'seemed nice', but she didn't know in the slightest) and from what I've seen it really DOES mess people up. But like anything, some people can deal, others not-so-much.

That-said, if I had a convicted paedophile/ rapist move in next-door to me, I'd be looking for a new home, frankly. I truly do LOATHE people who can do these things, and I quite-easily fall into the category of painting offenders with the 'you've done it once, you'll do it again' brush. That along with the fact that I've got an 11-y/o daughter and a wife who could potentially be victims of acts like these, I'm hard-line against these offenders because 1) what they do disgusts me, and; 2) I wish to keep my loved-ones as safe as possible.

texta

16-09-2009, 12:31 PM

He is not human. He is beyond rehabilitation. He is an animal who should have never been released. He should be hunted and put out of his misery.I think questions like that should be the domain of qualified psychologists and the courts to answer. If he is truly beyond rehabilitation then I would agree that he shouldn't have been released, but if that can't be shown then I think it makes a mockery of our justice system to ignore the decision of the courts.

If anyone did any of that shit to my kids i'd kill them. No questions. If they were in jail and then released, i'd wait and then i'd kill them. No qualms.Sure, but I'd hope that you were prepared to face the consequences of your own actions.

But will the paedophile have the opportunity to do this to other innocent children ...

No.
I'm not sure I like that logic at all. While I agree that protecting children from a threat of attack is important, I think the method considered has to be proportionate to the threat and remain within our universal moral standards.

Yes, killing him is one way to ensure that he never re-offends, but I think there are simpler and more humane methods that can achieve those same ends.

If Ferguson isn't human as you claim then I would argue that our response needs to be one that maintains our own humanity.

From the outside looking-in, it seems like a 'life-destroying' thing, and for some people it truly does destroy them. Some people turn to drugs, alcohol addiction or even commit suicide over their inability to cope with what's happened to them. Then there's others who fight through it and continue on with their lives, not letting it take them down.

I've been friends with a few rape victims (one being my girlfriend at the time who sadly trusted someone who 'seemed nice', but she didn't know in the slightest) and from what I've seen it really DOES mess people up. But like anything, some people can deal, others not-so-much.I'm certainly not suggesting that it isn't terrible, but I think our response to victims of rape needs to be one that encourages them to be able to deal with the events and eventually move on with their lives and I think a wide perception that rape ruins people's lives forever, even if it's largely true, is counter-productive to those aims.

That-said, if I had a convicted paedophile/ rapist move in next-door to me, I'd be looking for a new home, frankly. I truly do LOATHE people who can do these things, and I quite-easily fall into the category of painting offenders with the 'you've done it once, you'll do it again' brush. That along with the fact that I've got an 11-y/o daughter and a wife who could potentially be victims of acts like these, I'm hard-line against these offenders because 1) what they do disgusts me, and; 2) I wish to keep my loved-ones as safe as possible.This approach is one I'd aspire to more. If someone moves in near me who I have a strong aversion to and who under our laws has every legal right to be there, I would consider moving myself rather than forcing them out.

But that said, even though I have a child of my own, I wouldn't be particularly concerned with someone like Ferguson living near me because I think I am capable of protecting my children from known paedophiles and teaching my children how to protect themselves.

McChimp

16-09-2009, 12:45 PM

[COLOR=black]But that said, even though I have a child of my own, I wouldn't be particularly concerned with someone like Ferguson living near me because I think I am capable of protecting my children from known paedophiles and teaching my children how to protect themselves.

Yeah, I guess KNOWING there's one around you makes it easier, 'cos you know who to look-out for. That said, I know it'd be on my mind as-to them being there and the possibility of HAVING to defend myself or my loved-ones, and I don't necessarily want to live my life that way, but each to their own as far as how you deal with it.

I'm flat-out against people attempting to 'take justice into their own hands', because, frankly, justice is served when they get sent away, and if tabs are kept on them and they're getting the counselling etc. they need/ are required to have, then it's continually being served. People (especially like-minded groups of people) are too-eager to launch head-first into doing things like trying to have a paedophile or the like 'removed' from their area/ community.

I'm just as angry and disgusted as any one of these people about these kinds of crimes being commited, but there's no-sense in going above-and-beyond (in a serious knee-jerk fashion) in regards to people who have committed these crimes.

Halt, Hammerzeit

16-09-2009, 12:54 PM

I honestly cant beleive some of the comments in this thread that seem to go along the lines of 'let him be' or 'he has served his time'.

Crap to that.

I dont care if some of you guys think i'm a violent guy why is no better than the abusers of children, but i'd definately kick his arse if i saw him. Yes it is violent, so it should be. Put yoursevles in the shoes of this guys victims. They will live with this shit forever, while he is free to walk and even has the audacity to think about asking for compensation for having to move on from town to town because communities dont want him there.

He is not human. He is beyond rehabilitation. He is an animal who should have never been released. He should be hunted and put out of his misery.

If anyone did any of that shit to my kids i'd kill them. No questions. If they were in jail and then released, i'd wait and then i'd kill them. No qualms.

Am i an animal ......

Perhaps.

Is it justice ......

Perhaps.

But will the paedophile have the opportunity to do this to other innocent children ....

No.

How do you feel about premeditated murder? If there is honestly to chance for rehabilitation we should be killing anybody that rapes, murders and fiddles with the kiddies.

Here's a thought for those of you who think this guy should be locked up for life: DON'T LET YOUR KIDS NEAR THEM. Teach them stranger danger and the rest of that crap.

Is it really that hard to believe that I have such a view? How are views made? Through experience and research and other things I guess.

So what are these experiences you've had that have led you to believe this (wrong) view?

sausage

16-09-2009, 12:57 PM

So what are these experiences you've had that have led you to believe this (wrong) view?

Pretty loaded question don't you think? I'm not going to give you guys the satisfaction of laying out all I have seen and heard. All it will do is create more questions and analytical pseudo-quackery from a bunch of internet experts.

Save it; move on.

Lazlow

16-09-2009, 01:00 PM

That-said, if I had a convicted paedophile/ rapist move in next-door to me, I'd be looking for a new home

Even a statutory rapist?

I always found it bizarre people react in such a way toward sex offenders more than any other criminal (drug dealers, violent criminals, etc). Sure "Old Uncle Chop Chop" doesn't get this sort of treatment.

All it will do is create more questions and analytical pseudo-quackery from a bunch of internet experts.

lol. All we asked was that you substantiate your statement that a "once a pedophile, always a pedophile". Hardly a big ask or "pseudo-quackery". This is a discussion forum, statements made will get questioned, that's how it operates. If you're just looking for a platform to make ignorant unsubstantiated statements, get a blog.

TBH, I don't even care about your personal experiences, annecdotal evidence holds little weight.

Halt, Hammerzeit

16-09-2009, 01:03 PM

Pretty loaded question don't you think? I'm not going to give you guys the satisfaction of laying out all I have seen and heard. All it will do is create more questions and analytical pseudo-quackery from a bunch of internet experts.

Save it; move on.

But doesn't it stand to reason that if pedophiles can't be rehabilitated others can't? So shouldn't you be worried about all violent criminals attack you and your family?

StorminNorman

16-09-2009, 01:11 PM

I always found it bizarre people react in such a way toward sex offenders more than any other criminal (drug dealers, violent criminals, etc).

I have to say, I'd much rather have a convicted paedophile living next to me than the drug dealers that used to be my neighbours here. Sure, the sex offender is a total creep, but at least he won't be having violent drug addicts and other criminal sorts coming over at all hours of the day and night.

Lazlow

16-09-2009, 01:13 PM

I also wonder if people would be so venomous toward Ferguson, if he didn't epitomise the creepy guy look.

"But listen to the music... He's evil!"

texta

16-09-2009, 01:15 PM

He actually looks a lot like one of the art works at my uni of a famous Tasmanian lawyer whose name escapes me. <_<

sausage

16-09-2009, 01:21 PM

If you're just looking for a platform to make ignorant unsubstantiated statements, get a blog.

TBH, I don't even care about your personal experiences, annecdotal evidence holds little weight.

And the intellectuals ALWAYS have to have the last say.

Tiresome.

sausage

16-09-2009, 01:22 PM

So shouldn't you be worried about all violent criminals attack you and your family?

What a dumb rhetorical question.

texta

16-09-2009, 01:39 PM

Rhetorical Questions do not work that way!

texta

16-09-2009, 01:43 PM

And the intellectuals ALWAYS have to have the last say.

Tiresome.Let's never forget what the opposite of Intellectual is.

I'd rather be smart than dumb and you can quote me on that.

AranchineD

16-09-2009, 02:40 PM

If we want to keep them locked up because they might hurt another innocent child, well then, we might as well lock up every single man over 50 then, at least then we'll ensure not a single one of them even gets the chance to hurt another innocent child!

StorminNorman

16-09-2009, 03:22 PM

Only the ones over fifty?

We should be locking up any man over the age of 18 who just looks at a young child.

Hell, I get uncomfortable just looking at children these days. It's like I need some kind of digital mosaic filter on my eyes so I can't see them.

Halt, Hammerzeit

16-09-2009, 03:27 PM

They need to wear a badge or something to let guys know they're under 18.

Second

16-09-2009, 04:17 PM

I could laugh off sillysausage's claims to be an ex-cop if I didn't already know another current serving cop with a similar attitude.

castr8or

16-09-2009, 04:53 PM

Also you said from your experience, once a paedophile, always a paedophile. Can I ask what experience you are referring to? Are you a psychologist or psychiatrist?

i've seen figures claiming anywhere from 5% to 50% recidivism

the problem is that recidivism relies on the pedophile getting caught and convicted. Given that sex crimes are one of the, if not the hardest crimes to gain convictions for in court, and that the incidence of such crimes are widely acknowledged to be under reported greatly, I would argue that the rate of recidivism is under reported significantly.

Recidivism rates also depend on the type of pedophile, for example, incestual pedophilia has the lowest rates of recidivism with the offender likely having no previous history of sexual assault. Aquaintence/Stranger pedophiles who dig little boys have the highest rate of recidivism and pedos into girls are in between the two.

Given that this particular pedo got done for raping multiple children (iirc) I think its quite reasonable to suggest he's one of the higher risk kind of pedos.

Lex

16-09-2009, 05:10 PM

I'm really glad we had this thread, now I know what a dropkick sausage is, and to ignore everything he says. It also makes me sad that there are probably a lot more shit cops out there just like him.

Araenel

16-09-2009, 05:36 PM

I'm really glad we had this thread, now I know what a dropkick sausage is, and to ignore everything he says. It also makes me sad that there are probably a lot more shit cops out there just like him.

the high school fight thread didn't convince you?

sausage

16-09-2009, 05:40 PM

This is just getting sad and pathetic now Lex. If this this your way of back-tracking on calling me a liar then I don't know and don't really care what you do mate.

You are a coward.

faceless

16-09-2009, 05:58 PM

lmao is sillysausage a pig

god what state does he live in (so i know to never live there for the safety of myself and my family)

Rypien GT

16-09-2009, 07:07 PM

Wow. Some of you guys are beyond belief.

Lazlow -
"Way to dive into the emotional deep end chief.

But will the pedophile have a chance at rehabilitation and entering society again (as with most other criminals)?

No.

Nice going wack job."

I did dive into the deep end with such a topic. No sitting on the fence when it comes to paedophiles mate. You want to give someone who does that sort of shit to kids a chance at rehabilitation? You want them back in society? You sir are the wack job.

Some even say that they wouldnt mind having a convicted child molester living next door to them and thier kids. fk's sake, are you for real?

To those that say that we should trust in our court system..... mmmm ..... i dont know about that. You fk with my children, you will die. Simple. No relying on the courts to hand out justice, no opportunity for rehabilitation, no chance of re offending. It ends. And yes, i would accept the consequences of my actions, as he would have the consequences of his actions brought to his attention in a violent way.

I would hate to imagine Denis Ferguson in a room alone with a small child if given the opportunity. I dare say your 'rehabilitation' and 'courts justice' would be cold comfort for the child.

I know this is a games forum, and perhaps you might be best served sticking to game topics since you seem to have little to say.

IRS

16-09-2009, 07:09 PM

I call it paedophile city!

Thought it was a thread about Tokyo

AranchineD

16-09-2009, 07:12 PM

I would hate to imagine Denis Ferguson in a room alone with a small child if given the opportunity.

Because we'd let that intentionally happen, right?

FrozenSoul80

16-09-2009, 07:15 PM

I would hate to imagine Denis Ferguson in a room alone with a small child if given the opportunity. I dare say your 'rehabilitation' would be cold comfort for the child.

But why would this situation happen in the first place? He is just trying to live his life. Sure, limit his contact with children, but there is no reason to crucify the guy. He made a terrible, unforgivable mistake and he has to pay for it for the rest of his life. He doesn't need you, or anybody else, crying for his blood.

Touching kids is bad, but so is being barbaric.

Rypien GT

16-09-2009, 07:20 PM

castr8or

16-09-2009, 07:26 PM

what I want to know is why this guy only got 14 years of kidnapping and raping 3 kids aged 6, 7 and 8 (or whatever)

FrozenSoul80

16-09-2009, 07:28 PM

did i say that?

what are you trying to say?

I dont think this guy should have the opportunity to live a normal life. Is he normal? If normal is having a history of molesting small kids than thats pretty screwed. He is an animal no matter what the 'courts' say.

I would definately be 'barbaric' to those that deserve it. He did his acts to those who least deserve it and cant protect themselves.

I'm saying this level of outrage you are showing is illogical.

People have all sorts of mental problems, lots of them can be fixed through rehabilitation. I understand what he did in the past was a horrible crime, but that doesn't mean he will never be able to be a regular member of society ever again.

The thing is you are getting so worked up by a child-toucher that you are willing to turn into a murderer. Someone who brutally murders someone else is just as bad as a paedophile. Hurting another human in any way is a horrible act no matter how it is performed.

AranchineD

16-09-2009, 07:30 PM

Don't forget people, the only reason he has a computer is to look up child porn. The news said so!

Rypien GT

16-09-2009, 07:35 PM

Let me get this straight -

"I'm saying this level of outrage you are showing is illogical"
Is it? If some sick ****er molested my kids i would definately become illogical. I would become brutal. If i didnt become illogical about such a thing than i'd be a poor father indeed.

"I understand what he did in the past was a horrible crime, but that doesn't mean he will never be able to be a regular member of society ever again. "
It should.

"Hurting another human in any way is a horrible act no matter how it is performed. "
If someone molested my kids i would think that they have given up thier right to be called a human being. I wouldnt be ending the life of a human, but rather a sick animal who i would not want to see in society ever again.

AranchineD , perhaps you should bake him a pie and invite him into your street. Roll out the welcome mat and save the rest of us having to worry about him moving into our suburb.

Vindik8or

16-09-2009, 07:40 PM

Keep thinking that bashing someone will fix your kids up when they get molested. In the mean time we need to organise someone to murder you for being a brutal murderer (as a logical extension). Oh and then someone to murder them too.

It would be pretty neat if at the earliest point of this debacle the originator killed himself and saved everyone else the trouble of killing everyone else in retaliation.

FrozenSoul80

16-09-2009, 07:40 PM

Is it? If some sick ****er molested my kids i would definately become illogical. I would become brutal. If i didnt become illogical about such a thing than i'd be a poor father indeed.

If someone molested my kids i would think that they have given up thier right to be called a human being. I wouldnt be ending the life of a human, but rather a sick animal who i would not want to see in society ever again.

But he didn't touch your kids, leave the guy alone. He needs help, yes, but he doesn't deserve to die.

FTR, someone who kills another human being is also an animal. It's okay to be angry, but once you let that anger turn to murder you also become an animal. Knowing right from wrong is what separates us from the animals.

Vindik8or

16-09-2009, 07:41 PM

More like inventing right and wrong is what differentiates us.

Rypien GT

16-09-2009, 07:53 PM

"He needs help, yes, but he doesn't deserve to die"

Perhaps we should ask that question to his victims?

I'm soo over this thread. I stand firmly behind what i've had to say. Re reading some of the posts before i cant believe that the majority believe that paedophiles deserve the right to be rehabilitated, the right to walk in society, and the opportunity to be free.

It might sound disgusting, but take a minute to think about what these people actually do to kids. Take in the gravity and depravity of the act of sexually abusing small children. Paedophile is simply a word. Too common a word. The acts these people do to innocent children is beyond any rehabilitation, it is beyond any reasoning.

I do become illogical when confronted with this. I do have strong urges of brutality when confronted with this.

Take the moral high ground if you will, but i know that if someone like Denis Ferguson did anything to my kids i would do what any normal father would do, and i can tell you it wouldnt be ringing the cops so he could be locked away and rehabilitated then released.

You think me an animal too. So be it.

Vindik8or

16-09-2009, 08:02 PM

Check it out guys! It's a first hand example of why we have to put up with Today Tonight and A Current Affair. This is the uncivilised, suburban brute who contributes to their ratings.

Tell me, Brute, how is it that you choose which one of these two programs you watch every night?

Second

16-09-2009, 08:09 PM

Last week I was speaking to Spud. Our topic was "Are stupid people aware they're stupid?"

Answer us, Rypien GT. Are you aware?

Halt, Hammerzeit

16-09-2009, 08:10 PM

Last week I was speaking to Spud. Our topic was "Do stupid people aware they're stupid?"

Answer us, Rypien GT. Are you aware?

I can't decided if the question "Do stupid people aware they're stupid" is intended ironically or not.

Second

16-09-2009, 08:13 PM

I can't decided if the question "Do stupid people aware they're stupid" is intended ironically or not.

Oops!

I'm aware! :o

Halt, Hammerzeit

16-09-2009, 08:15 PM

Once again, pep is missed.

Lex

16-09-2009, 08:28 PM

This is just getting sad and pathetic now Lex. If this this your way of back-tracking on calling me a liar then I don't know and don't really care what you do mate.

You are a coward.

lolwut. For one I never once called you a liar, I implied that I found it difficult to believe someone as dumb as you could ever be a cop. And.. I'm the one backpedalling? You can't answer a single question. You're just a simp, mate. :)

Lazlow

16-09-2009, 10:28 PM

You fk with my children, you will die. Simple. No relying on the courts to hand out justice, no opportunity for rehabilitation, no chance of re offending. It ends. And yes, i would accept the consequences of my actions, as he would have the consequences of his actions brought to his attention in a violent way.

Is it? If some sick ****er molested my kids i would definately become illogical. I would become brutal. If i didnt become illogical about such a thing than i'd be a poor father indeed.

The way I see it you'd be a poor and selfish father by succumbing to your own bloodlust and warped sense of justice, by committing premeditated murder, and ending up in prison.

I'm pretty sure your kids would rather their father was at home, helping them cope with a traumatic experience, as opposed to further compounding the stress and anxiety the family unit would be suffering.

Think about your kids before yourself. Vengeance is a selfish act, and it has nothing to do with you setting anything right, or helping the community.

So in reality, what we're finding "illogical" is the notion you'd rather engage in some fleeting sense of justice, rather than being there for your family.

I would definately be 'barbaric' to those that deserve it.
....
"I understand what he did in the past was a horrible crime, but that doesn't mean he will never be able to be a regular member of society ever again. "
It should.
....
To those that say that we should trust in our court system..... mmmm ..... i dont know about that.
....
I dont think this guy should have the opportunity to live a normal life. Is he normal? If normal is having a history of molesting small kids than thats pretty screwed. He is an animal no matter what the 'courts' say.

Can I ask what makes you more qualified than those that work in our judicial systems? What makes you judge, jury, and executioner?

Why is it that murders, arsonists, drunk drivers, drug pushers, rapists, assaulters, all have a chance at rehabilitation and freedom, but a pedophile can't?

He did his acts to those who least deserve it and cant protect themselves.

I find this a misleading statement, many victims of crime are those who were unable to protect themselves. So why only apply this to victims of pedophiles?

Halt, Hammerzeit

16-09-2009, 10:31 PM

I'm pretty sure your kids would rather their father was at home, helping them cope with a traumatic experience, as opposed to further compounding the stress and anxiety the family unit would be suffering.

Besides, if he kills his child's rapist, his child then has no avenue for retribution. We should be thinking of the children here. WON'T SOMEONE PLEASE THINK OF THE CHILDREN?!?!?!

sausage

17-09-2009, 05:17 AM

I think I'm gonna find out where sausage and rypien live jsut so I can throw some molotov cocktails at their houses and build coffins for them to be buried in when they move.

And in one foul stroke you have crossed the line into bullying and harassment.

At least I have conducted myself with dignity in this argument and haven't descended into stupid name-calling and veiled threats.

Who's the animal now HH? If you really want to throw a molotov cocktail at my house, with me, my wife, stepdaughter and son-in-law inside because I (OMG) had a opinion different to you then....

lolwut. For one I never once called you a liar, I implied that I found it difficult to believe someone as dumb as you could ever be a cop. And.. I'm the one backpedalling? You can't answer a single question. You're just a simp, mate. :)

And as for you Lex; if you can't see that you cast a dispersion on my character without cause or evidence then it is you who is the "simp" (stupid word btw) and that my friend could also be construed as bullying and harassment.

The behaviour of a few select forummers in this thread has been nothing short of disgraceful. What happens if someone has similar ideas and you encounter them in real life? I bet you wouldn't act like this to their faces so why act like this here?

Lift your game.

Second

17-09-2009, 05:23 AM

WON'T SOMEONE PLEASE THINK OF THE CHILDREN!

plz

sausage

17-09-2009, 05:28 AM

lmao is sillysausage a pig

god what state does he live in (so i know to never live there for the safety of myself and my family)

worthless contribution.

Halt, Hammerzeit

17-09-2009, 07:54 AM

And in one foul stroke you have crossed the line into bullying and harassment.

Then report me. Use that little button at the side of my post to let the mods know that your sensabilities have been offended.

WON'T SOMEONE PLEASE THINK OF THE CHILDREN!

The pedophiles do.

Tonez

17-09-2009, 07:58 AM

Halt, Hammerzeit

17-09-2009, 08:04 AM

sausage

17-09-2009, 08:26 AM

sausage

17-09-2009, 08:38 AM

It appears someone was stabbed (http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw-act/paedophile-dennis-fergusons-sneaky-ryde-to-balmain/story-e6freuzi-1225775386540) outside Ferguson's place.

This report doesn't seem to mention it but apparently the guy that got stabbed was telling a crowd to leave Ferguson alone.

Not exactly helping his own cause though; from the story:

Housing Minister David Borger last night the State Government hoped to reach an agreement with Ferguson "as soon as possible", but the child rapist wants to be compensated for relocating.

Earlier Ferguson, who now goes by the name Ray, defiantly declared on radio that he would only be leaving his Ryde residence in a pine box.

Outraged neighbour Sean Killgallon promptly delivered a coffin-shaped pine box to Ferguson's door.

"If that's the way they want to feel about it I am not moving, the only way I'll move out of here is in a pine box," Ferguson later told Channel 7.

Ferguson whinged that he had renamed his home the "East Ryde prison cell" because he had been unable to go out.

When quizzed about their concerns he replied: "Stiff s..t

"If their own family was in an accident and I was the only person who could save that family member I would just let that family member die ... because I don't know if I could be accused of something inappropriate."

Yep, one way traffic all right; poor poor man.

Stevorooni

17-09-2009, 08:40 AM

The way I see it you'd be a poor and selfish father by succumbing to your own bloodlust and warped sense of justice, by committing premeditated murder, and ending up in prison.

I'm pretty sure your kids would rather their father was at home, helping them cope with a traumatic experience, as opposed to further compounding the stress and anxiety the family unit would be suffering.

Think about your kids before yourself. Vengeance is a selfish act, and it has nothing to do with you setting anything right, or helping the community.

So in reality, what we're finding "illogical" is the notion you'd rather engage in some fleeting sense of justice, rather than being there for your family.

The thing is, if you found out that your kid was molested you probably wouldn't be in a logical frame of mind, and if the immediate opportunity to bash/shoot the guy came up a lot of people might take it due to their rage.

Your brain would be in "Guy hurt my kid, must hurt guy" mode, not "Let's think about this logically, this man must go through the justice system and receive a fair trial while I support my family by being there for them rather than giving into my primal anger"

It's not the 'correct' decision but emotions make us do stupid things.

Tonez

17-09-2009, 08:42 AM

Tonez

17-09-2009, 08:44 AM

The thing is, if you found out that your kid was molested you probably wouldn't be in a logical frame of mind, and if the immediate opportunity to bash/shoot the guy came up a lot of people might take it due to their rage.

Your brain would be in "Guy hurt my kid, must hurt guy" mode, not "Let's think about this logically, this man must go through the justice system and receive a fair trial while I support my family by being there for them rather than giving into my primal anger"

It's not the 'correct' decision but emotions make us do stupid things.

Agreed but Lazlow was responding to the claims that this guy would wait for him to get out of gaol, hunt him down and kill him.

That's premeditated murder not the type of murder (I forget the correct term - Manslaughter perhaps?) in which you murder someone based on the emotions felt at the time.

Araenel

17-09-2009, 08:46 AM

The thing is, if you found out that your kid was molested you probably wouldn't be in a logical frame of mind, and if the immediate opportunity to bash/shoot the guy came up a lot of people might take it due to their rage.

Your brain would be in "Guy hurt my kid, must hurt guy" mode, not "Let's think about this logically, this man must go through the justice system and receive a fair trial while I support my family by being there for them rather than giving into my primal anger"

It's not the 'correct' decision but emotions make us do stupid things.

And as soon as we start focusing on the latter instead of the former, we might actually start progressing as a civilisation.

sausage

17-09-2009, 08:58 AM

The thing is sausage that no one is saying Ferguson is an angel. All we are saying is that he needs to be left alone.

I agree totally with that Tonez; but in a place so far away from other temptations as possible. Not in a residential neighbourhood with kids less then x metres away.

He has paid the time for his crime. Was that time sufficient? Maybe not but that's not his problem or fault.

As I mentioned in a previous post it is my belief that everything that is happening is definitely his fault right from when he began to commit these crimes.

The failure or otherwise of the justice system is not relevant here (I think); the real issue is the government's failure to properly release this douche into some semblance of what we would call a life; a life with no contact with kids/parents/normal lawful living but a life nonetheless.

Also, if he is as unstable as everyone seems to suggest why would you antagonise him?

Uh-oh, you mean he isn't rehabilitated? Any tension or stress and this man will offend again?

Get his ass back in prison then. :D

Tonez

17-09-2009, 09:09 AM

I agree totally with that Tonez; but in a place so far away from other temptations as possible. Not in a residential neighbourhood with kids less then x metres away.

As I mentioned in a previous post it is my belief that everything that is happening is definitely his fault right from when he began to commit these crimes.

The failure or otherwise of the justice system is not relevant here (I think); the real issue is the government's failure to properly release this douche into some semblance of what we would call a life; a life with no contact with kids/parents/normal lawful living but a life nonetheless.

Uh-oh, you mean he isn't rehabilitated? Any tension or stress and this man will offend again?

Get his ass back in prison then. :D

I didn't say he wasn't rehabilitated but a few comments from people (yourself included) seem to suggest the guy is unstable.

He may not ever recommit crimes against children again but that doesn't mean he won't get violent if he keeps getting pushed into a corner. Hell, push anyone into a corner for long enough and they are likely to snap.

Lazlow

17-09-2009, 09:13 AM

Get his ass back in prison then.

Would require due cause.

IAs I mentioned in a previous post it is my belief that everything that is happening is definitely his fault right from when he began to commit these crimes.

The failure or otherwise of the justice system is not relevant here (I think); the real issue is the government's failure to properly release this douche into some semblance of what we would call a life; a life with no contact with kids/parents/normal lawful living but a life nonetheless.

So basically a prison but not a prison? What you're asking for is impossible. To dump him in "the middle of nowhere", like a lot of short sighted people believe, would be just as negligent as it would be to dump him in front of a school. There are obvously support workers who need to monitor him, and you can't expect them to be displaced just to mind one individual.

If Ferguson is to be contained, it should be within a psychaitric hosptial, to further understand why he did (or currently if that is the case) has those urges. To further improve rehabilitive methods. Of course, again you'd requrie due cause. Either his own admission, or the admission of a professional.

EDIT
Housing Minister David Borger last night the State Government hoped to reach an agreement with Ferguson "as soon as possible", but the child rapist wants to be compensated for relocating.

Earlier Ferguson, who now goes by the name Ray, defiantly declared on radio that he would only be leaving his Ryde residence in a pine box.

Outraged neighbour Sean Killgallon promptly delivered a coffin-shaped pine box to Ferguson's door.

"If that's the way they want to feel about it I am not moving, the only way I'll move out of here is in a pine box," Ferguson later told Channel 7.

Ferguson whinged that he had renamed his home the "East Ryde prison cell" because he had been unable to go out.

When quizzed about their concerns he replied: "Stiff s..t

"If their own family was in an accident and I was the only person who could save that family member I would just let that family member die ... because I don't know if I could be accused of something inappropriate."

Love to know where that article came from, the tone of it is certainly rather slanted.

Its a great example of how the media create a demon out of a single person, whilst there are very likely plenty of released sex offenders living amongst society unbeknownst to everyone.

Halt, Hammerzeit

17-09-2009, 09:21 AM

No, I think you and Lex have done enough torch-wielding for one day. And why the hell would I want to report you; your behaviour in this thread has already nullified any respect you might have had so why should I put you out of your misery and get you banned?

Great attitude you have HH, trying to get all your cohorts to rail against me.

Can't fight your own battles?

Weak minded fool.

What the hell are you on about? I was telling you to go join the torch wielding mob out the front of Ferguson's house. Never once did I say I needed anyone to fight my own battles. Get your head out of your arse.

sausage

17-09-2009, 09:22 AM

So basically a prison but not a prison? What you're asking for is impossible. To dump him in "the middle of nowhere", like a lot of short sighted people believe, would be just as negligent as it would be to dump him in front of a school.

Negligent to who? If you place him next to a school that's about the worst kind of negligence you can get.

There are obvously support workers who need to monitor him, and you can't expect them to be displaced just to mind one individual.

Not necessarily; support workers only need visit him once a week to deliver groceries, medicine and paper towels. The rest of the time he can report in once or twice a day via webcam. If he fails to report in then dispatch a worker or the local police to investigate.

If Ferguson is to be contained, it should be within a psychaitric hosptial, to further understand why he did (or currently if that is the case) has those urges. To further improve rehabilitive methods. Of course, again you'd requrie due cause. Either his own admission, or the admission of a professional.

Call me old fashioned but a place in the country is more appealing than a psych hospital.

sausage

17-09-2009, 09:23 AM

What the hell are you on about? I was telling you to go join the torch wielding mob out the front of Ferguson's house. Never once did I say I needed anyone to fight my own battles. Get your head out of your arse.

Yea, because you are doing just swimmingly on your own. :rolleyes:

sausage

17-09-2009, 09:27 AM

Love to know where that article came from, the tone of it is certainly rather slanted.

Its a great example of how the media create a demon out of a single person, whilst there are very likely plenty of released sex offenders living amongst society unbeknownst to everyone.

From this previously posted link (http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw-act/paedophile-dennis-fergusons-sneaky-ryde-to-balmain/story-e6freuzi-1225775386540)

Lex

17-09-2009, 09:37 AM

And as for you Lex; if you can't see that you cast a dispersion on my character without cause or evidence then it is you who is the "simp" (stupid word btw) and that my friend could also be construed as bullying and harassment.

what do you mean without evidence? my point was that I found it difficult to imagine such a dolt could be a police officer, you've provided plenty of evidence to substantiate my claim.

The behaviour of a few select forummers in this thread has been nothing short of disgraceful. What happens if someone has similar ideas and you encounter them in real life? I bet you wouldn't act like this to their faces so why act like this here?

if they were as ignorant and thick as yourself? you're damn right I would, someone with those kinds of retarded, ass-backwards views on society need to be set straight.

No, I think you and Lex have done enough torch-wielding for one day. And why the hell would I want to report you; your behaviour in this thread has already nullified any respect you might have had so why should I put you out of your misery and get you banned?

Great attitude you have HH, trying to get all your cohorts to rail against me.

Can't fight your own battles?

Weak minded fool.

lolwut? are you paranoid too, or just really really really dumb. we aren't getting together to pick on you, we're piling shit on you for a common cause. you know, the neverending battle against stupidity and ignorance. that's something everyone should get behind, for the greater good.

your views are caveman as shit, dude, get a grip, stop watching A Current Affair, and read a book or something.

Lazlow

17-09-2009, 09:46 AM

Not necessarily; support workers only need visit him once a week to deliver groceries, medicine and paper towels. The rest of the time he can report in once or twice a day via webcam. If he fails to report in then dispatch a worker or the local police to investigate.

Call me old fashioned but a place in the country is more appealing than a psych hospital.

I guess its more a case of where they have available housing. I can only assume a nice place in the country isn't currently available.

As for your other suggestion; whilst I believe in rehabilitation, precautions still need to be taken, and relying on him to be left on his own and report in remotely would require a fair amount of trust that he won't take off and disappear to either reoffend, or simply escape his pseudo-prison conditions.

texta

17-09-2009, 09:58 AM

The thing is sausage that no one is saying Ferguson is an angel. All we are saying is that he needs to be left alone. He has paid the time for his crime. Was that time sufficient? Maybe not but that's not his problem or fault.

Also, if he is as unstable as everyone seems to suggest why would you antagonise him?

Yeah, it's a pretty good point. Interestingly New Zealand has a much more progressive attitude to sex offenders.

Community anger 'fuels Ferguson risk'

Community outrage over convicted paedophile Dennis Ferguson's living arrangements could trigger him to re-offend, a leading sex offence counsellor says.

The warning comes as residents of Ryde in north-west Sydney are demanding Ferguson be moved out of the area.

Earlier today an unlit fire bomb was found outside his public housing unit.

Police say a member of the media discovered the device about 10:30pm last night. It has been taken away for forensic testing.

The NSW Government yesterday admitted it was powerless to carry out its promise to evict the Queenslander.

Dr Wendell Rosevear, a well-known GP who counsels Ferguson and other convicted sex offenders, says the animosity shown towards Ferguson is actually creating more of a danger.

"If we do things to exacerbate his needs, it actually makes society less safe," he told ABC Radio's Breakfast program.

"We can't fix abuse by being abusive, it's just like putting petrol on a fire."

Dr Rosevear says because Ferguson was a sex assault victim himself, he needs to feel valued again and learn about healthy relationships.

By achieving that, Dr Rosevear says, he will understand boundaries and how to respect others.

"If you want to stop the baby crying, you feed the baby. If you want to achieve behavioural change, we must look at what his needs are," he said.

"People need to feel valuable, people need to have a place to live, they need to be able to resolve their own past abuse."

'Revenge society'
Dr Rosevear has hit out at MPs who he says are trying to gain power through society's fear.

He says the only way to prevent a "revenge society" from thriving is to respect Ferguson as a human being.

"Politicians are actually trying to get power out people's fear, get votes by saying 'I'll be tough'," Dr Rosevear said.

"They're being abusive of people's right to have a place to live.

"The people in that community where he lives actually know him and they've met him, and some of them want to be supportive of him."

Dr Rosevear says animosity towards ex-offenders leads to them becoming secretive and doing secretive things.

He says New Zealand has adopted a proactive approach to dealing with sex offenders.

The so-called Circle of Safety model there allows people to be supportive of ex-offenders emerging from prison.

sausage

17-09-2009, 10:07 AM

As for your other suggestion; whilst I believe in rehabilitation, precautions still need to be taken, and relying on him to be left on his own and report in remotely would require a fair amount of trust that he won't take off and disappear to either reoffend, or simply escape his pseudo-prison conditions.

Hang on Laz; you can't have it both ways. On one hand you are advocating a rehabilitated sex offender has the right to enter society but on the other you are suggesting he may run off and re-offend if he is in the country?

If we are talking about the lesser of two evils then I'd advocate a country residence as far away from public transport as possible.

While we're on the subject of cost, I'd be in agreement to actually buying a country residence for him rather than rely on the rental market.

Plus,

LOOK AT THE SIZE OF YOUR GODDAMN COUNTRY!!!

http://www.lonelyplanet.com/maps/pacific/australia/map_of_australia.jpg

sausage

17-09-2009, 10:09 AM

what do you mean without evidence? my point was that I found it difficult to imagine such a dolt could be a police officer, you've provided plenty of evidence to substantiate my claim.

if they were as ignorant and thick as yourself? you're damn right I would, someone with those kinds of retarded, ass-backwards views on society need to be set straight.

lolwut? are you paranoid too, or just really really really dumb. we aren't getting together to pick on you, we're piling shit on you for a common cause. you know, the neverending battle against stupidity and ignorance. that's something everyone should get behind, for the greater good.

your views are caveman as shit, dude, get a grip, stop watching A Current Affair, and read a book or something.

I think we've moved on now Lex; your views are redundant. Go away. Your high-handedness is quite breathtaking.

Halt, Hammerzeit

17-09-2009, 10:15 AM

I think we've moved on now Lex; your views are redundant. Go away. Your high-handedness is quite breathtaking.

You really are a wanker, aren't you?

Lazlow

17-09-2009, 10:17 AM

On one hand you are advocating a rehabilitated sex offender has the right to enter society but on the other you are suggesting he may run off and re-offend if he is in the country?

I had a feeling that is how you'd respond which is why I said "precautions". Its simply not as black and white as that. People who progress through, or complete a rehabilitative program still maintain contact with counsellors/sponsors.

Just because I say I believe in rehab' doesn't mean to say he's cured - there's always a chance of relapse. A chance, not a certainty. A balance needs to be found between his rights as a legally free individual and governmental precautionary measures.

sausage

17-09-2009, 10:18 AM

You really are a wanker, aren't you?

And with that you have officially lost the argument. You go away now.

Lex

17-09-2009, 10:20 AM

dude, you lost it pages ago when you weren't intelligent, or even coherent enough to say anything but I WAS A COPPA AND ID ****EN KILL DEM PEDO ****S. you haven't backed up a single thing you've said with factual evidence. so no sir, you lose :)

sausage

17-09-2009, 10:25 AM

I had a feeling that is how you'd respond which is why I said "precautions". Its simply not as black and white as that. People who progress through, or complete a rehabilitative program still maintain contact with counsellors/sponsors.

Just because I say I believe in rehab' doesn't mean to say he's cured - there's always a chance of relapse. A chance, not a certainty. A balance needs to be found between his rights as a legally free individual and governmental precautionary measures.

Certainly, but surely my point stands as well as yours; "A balance" has to be found.

And that balance, in my opinion, is my suggestion of moving him far away. He will still be able to get his counselling via fortnightly (or whatever) visits and weekly monitoring together with twice-daily webcam reporting. No access to vehicles, children and public transport and we have a winner.

This, I think, would solve all your particular concerns, the pedo gets a semblance of a life with support and the public remains as safe as we can make it without putting a cap in his head.

Thanks Laz and Texta for at least perservering with me and treating me like a relative peer. To the others; if you think my suggestions are "simp" or "caveman" or "wanker" then you have obviously been blinded from my initial comment if he was to move in next door to me.

My initial thoughts still stand though, but I do have a solution but no-one seems to be taking it on board.

sausage

17-09-2009, 10:28 AM

castr8or

17-09-2009, 10:28 AM

"We can't fix abuse by being abusive, it's just like putting petrol on a fire."

but you can put a fire out with petrol...

Halt, Hammerzeit

17-09-2009, 10:29 AM

More than you have.

castr8or

17-09-2009, 10:33 AM

Lex

17-09-2009, 10:34 AM

And what you have shown since is inteliigent?

sorry, when did I make ****retarded claims like "criminals can be rehabilitated but pedophiles can't"? oh right, I didn't. that's ok, you win the stupid contest :)

sausage

17-09-2009, 10:39 AM

sorry, when did I make ****retarded claims like "criminals can be rehabilitated but pedophiles can't"? oh right, I didn't. that's ok, you win the stupid contest :)

I have a right to a opinion and I have never hid the fact that it is my opinion and quite apart from someone previously saying I have to back up my opinions with facts I bloody well disagree. It's how I think, deal with it.

Although I have that opinion of Paedophiles you should note I am not advocating wholesale slaughter of paedophiles; only the burning down of the house if he moves in next door.

Quite the opposite, I am suggesting a solution, which is a hell of a lot better than your distracting outbursts regarding my stupidness and past career.

No sir, you win the stupid contest.

Halt, Hammerzeit

17-09-2009, 10:54 AM

I have a right to a opinion and I have never hid the fact that it is my opinion and quite apart from someone previously saying I have to back up my opinions with facts I bloody well disagree. It's how I think, deal with it.

Usually people have reasons for having an opinion. You were just being asked for a reason you think that pedophiles aren't human and can't be rehabilitated.

Although I have that opinion of Paedophiles you should note I am not advocating wholesale slaughter of paedophiles; only the burning down of the house if he moves in next door.

You know, I really want a pedophile to move in next to you now, just to see if you actually do burn down his house and assault him. I'd laugh so hard when you went to jail for it.

No sir, you win the stupid contest.

Is it just me or did that just seem like a retort in a primary school playground fight? "I know you are, but what am I?

Lex

17-09-2009, 10:55 AM

I have a right to a opinion and I have never hid the fact that it is my opinion and quite apart from someone previously saying I have to back up my opinions with facts I bloody well disagree. It's how I think, deal with it.

and as has been explained to you before, that isn't an opinion.

go on, look up the definition of "opinion".

hiding behind HERP DERP ITS MY OPINION I DONT HAFTA ASPLAIN IT is just sad and you know. you can't back up anything you say, because you don't know anything about the subject.

Quite the opposite, I am suggesting a solution, which is a hell of a lot better than your distracting outbursts regarding my stupidness and past career.

yeah, you're a real visionary :rolleyes:

No sir, you win the stupid contest.

brilliant.

sausage

17-09-2009, 10:57 AM

You know, I really want a pedophile to move in next to you now, just to see if you actually do burn down his house and assault him. I'd laugh so hard when you went to jail for it.

Yeah well that's basically how you two have played it the last three pages so I guess it's the only thing you can understand.

And why did you insert the word "assault" in there? That's just false, even without looking back at my posts I know that's false. Why did you insert that HH?

Why?

Lex

17-09-2009, 10:59 AM

Yeah well that's basically how you two have played it the last three pages so I guess it's the only thing you can understand.

I think you'll find I didn't once say anything like that. Go on, read back, I can wait.

sausage

17-09-2009, 11:00 AM

go on, look up the definition of "opinion".

hiding behind HERP DERP ITS MY OPINION I DONT HAFTA ASPLAIN IT is just sad and you know. you can't back up anything you say, because you don't know anything about the subject.

Just like your opinion of my so-called police experience eh Lex?

You can't back up that opinion so even stevens.

sausage

17-09-2009, 11:01 AM

I think you'll find I didn't once say anything like that. Go on, read back, I can wait.

Sorry sorry, was leveled at HH, you must have read it while I was editing in his quote.

Sorry; carry on with my character assassination.

StorminNorman

17-09-2009, 11:03 AM

Besides, if he kills his child's rapist, his child then has no avenue for retribution. We should be thinking of the children here. WON'T SOMEONE PLEASE THINK OF THE CHILDREN?!?!?!

"My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die."

Lex

17-09-2009, 11:03 AM

Just like your opinion of my so-called police experience eh Lex?

You can't back up that opinion so even stevens.

...

are you serious?

I don't think you understand.

Lazlow

17-09-2009, 11:05 AM

I think given that this guy was involved in multiple rapes (or intended on committing multiple rapes) and that the recidivism rate for someone with his 'tastes' is up around 40% (which is no doubt under-reported by a great margin), its likely that he'll reoffend, its highly unlikely he'd do so immediately, give it 10 - 15 years.

Sadly, if left unchecked, this would likely be the case.

The questions that hang over his 2005 charges would certainly be fueling a lot the vitriol towards him.

Halt, Hammerzeit

17-09-2009, 11:20 AM

Just like your opinion of my so-called police experience eh Lex?

You can't back up that opinion so even stevens.

Well, with the information and impression that you have given, you seem fairly prejuiced against pedophiles. Not saying that's a bad thing, but police are supposed to be fair to everyone. From saying things like "pedophiles can't be rehabilitated", you're helping fuel the speculation that you're not impartial and would have trouble doing the job well, when it came to dealing with pedophiles, anyway.

I don't think anybody's said that what Ferguson did was right, but violence begets violence. If you back him into a corner he will lash out.

Almighty Beanchild

17-09-2009, 11:37 AM

Sorry; carry on with my character assassination.

I think they're really just minor contributors at this point.

FrozenSoul80

17-09-2009, 11:58 AM

Lex, Sausage, HH - give it a rest. You're ruining the thread, just agree to disagree.

sausage

17-09-2009, 12:09 PM

I'm surprised it took this long quite frankly.

Rypien GT

17-09-2009, 01:46 PM

Vindiker8or, i would definately become an 'uncivilised suburban brute' to any child molester. No question. Well picked up, give yourself a pat on the back.

Halt Hammerzeit, re reading your posts made me chuckle. I dont usually go in for personal attacks but for you i'd consider making an exception. Your posts are dribble, you make no reasonable argument other than to put shit on others opinions. Was the step up onto the bandwagon a big one for your little shoes? And if you ever came near my place with a 'molotov cocktail' than you would find out how much of a brute i can become. What sort of fker posts shit like that. Wanker.

Second, you think i'm stupid for saying that i'd lose the plot if anyone touched my kids? I dont care if i got to them right after the fact or indeed years after. It does not change what they did, and the fact that i would get them. You think i'm stupid for doing what any father would do for his kids? You think it is stupid for someone to become violent towards a person who has molested thier child? Grow up mate. Life isn't like a box of chocolates Forest.

Lazlow, quite a merry band you have as a fan club at this place. Have you considered being a prisoner advocate, as you seem to be heavily leaning in that direction. If as a father you would do nothing other than 'let the courts decide' if someone molested your kids than i think you need to grow some balls mate. You are having a go at me because i'd act on the matter, yes i would take it into my own hands. Any father who didn't would be a poor shell of a man.