Fifa '10

[Jay]

Geez, I'm a bit confused, because from my fifteen or hours playtime it is quite a superior product to '09 in almost all respects (I logged around 40 hours on '09). And if it were anyone other than Gunner suggesting that it had lost ground I'd probably be inclined to write it off as the ravings of a mad Arsenal supporter, but the man has logged some time with both, and knows his bloody Fifa. Hmmm. Perhaos, as you seem to be suggesting Cian, the inadequacies reveal themselves over time. Problem for me is I need to finish the bloody review I'm writing of it, so luxury of time is not something I necessarily have. :(

[Lex]

And the lag is ridiculous.

I was watching my brother play some online last night and it seemend fine to me.

[Cian]

Geez, I'm a bit confused, because from my fifteen or hours playtime it is quite a superior product to '09 in almost all respects (I logged around 40 hours on '09). And if it were anyone other than Gunner suggesting that it had lost ground I'd probably be inclined to write it off as the ravings of a mad Arsenal supporter, but the man has logged some time with both, and knows his bloody Fifa. Hmmm. Perhaos, as you seem to be suggesting Cian, the inadequacies reveal themselves over time. Problem for me is I need to finish the bloody review I'm writing of it, so luxury of time is not something I necessarily have. :(

That's exactly what I'm suggesting. The more you play, the more faults you find. But by far the biggest problem is the goalkeepers. At least last year they could make basic saves and hold onto the ****ing ball. They've improved the offensive side of things, no doubt about that...but defensive howlers are far too common. It seems as though I'm the only one complaining here...has anyone else experienced problems?

I was watching my brother play some online last night and it seemend fine to me.

The patch released last night seems to have improved online team play, but 1 v 1 ranked games still aren't as good as they can be. I kept getting disconnected from those wonderful EA servers.

[proofreeder]

My question remains Cian, do you guys have a problem with the football or just the managerial/achievement aspect of the game? I'm interested to know what your beef is aside from not getting achievements.

Both, but mainly the football. The goalkeepers have gone back four years in terms of AI. All the random goalkeepers in Clubs are no more than 5'5. Goalkeepers can't make regulation catches. They rush off their line too much. Passing is inconsistent. Fouls (especially with the A button) are given away too easily. Hitting the post is still far too common, happens twice in every game.

And the lag is ridiculous.

That's exactly what I'm suggesting. The more you play, the more faults you find. But by far the biggest problem is the goalkeepers. At least last year they could make basic saves and hold onto the ****ing ball. They've improved the offensive side of things, no doubt about that...but defensive howlers ate far too common. It seems as though I'm the only one complaining here...has anyone else experienced problems?

Thanks for the reply and explanation Cian. Like I've posted before, I haven't really gotten into this game as much as I would have liked atm so perhaps my opinion is not as informed as yours. You say the faults take time to recongnise.

Here's my take on your issues:

Goalkeepers make a few errors, I have noticed this also. The main issue I have with them is, as you say, they don't catch the ball nearly enough. Thraxas and I noticed this particularly in online play. I could imagine how annoying that would be when you have something riding on the game, like a managerial mode. Or if this flaw could be exploited, I haven't been able to yet.

My defense doesn't make howlers in the world class exhibition games I play so far, what howlers are you referring to? Sometimes they have difficulty recognising and protecting against a run for a throughball however.

Passing seems fine to me aside from through balls do not always go where you want/expect them to go if passing centrally. PES was/is much better than this. Can't say how it compares to Fifa 09. I can string a great deal of passes together with Barca with patience.

Goal keepers rushing off the line, do you know there is a button to make them stay on the line?

I'm not trying to make myself out to be an amazing player, I'm sure you're better at this game than me, but I hardly ever foul when tackling. Thraxas can hopefully back me up on this, I very rarely gave away a free kick and didn't receive any cards (although I did give away that kick for the stupid Ronaldo goal). I tackle like I do in real football, mainly use run and jostle to get my body in position before I tackle. I really like what jostling has done for the tackling aspect of the game. Slide tackling I can't comment on, I don't do that much.

Hitting the post may happen a lot. If it does I would attribute this to the fact shots are less powerful than I would expect, even at very close distances, you really need to get that ball in the corner to score, hence post-hitting?

If what you say about 5'5 goalkeepers are true and not an exaggeration then that is a silly mistake to be left (funny though).

Lag is unplayable online (for me), but it was in PES too, dunno about Fifa 09. Against Thraxas though it was great.

So that's my initial impressions. Look forward to any response from Cian or anyone else. PES10 will still be an amazing game if this game is as flawed as Cian claims.

[Cian]

Defensive Howlers: Mainly in relation to Online Club games. The opposition will have their own virtual pros playing as attackers....against a defence rating of 70, it's very unbalanced. Fifa 10 works well when you can use your strength to muscle players off the ball, but it doesn't work like that when a defender who's rating is 70 is trying to deal with a striker who's rating is 90.

The custom tactics option is also being abused at corner kicks. You can put almost your entire team on the goal line causing heaps of confusion and deflections and inevitably, lots of goals.

Goal Keepers: Apparently double tapping Y stops them from coming off the line. It rarely works for me because I'm concentrating on positioning my defenders and by the time I check the radar and see the keeper running out like a fool, it's usually too late (especially against experienced players).

[proofreeder]

Defensive Howlers: Mainly in relation to Online Club games. The opposition will have their own virtual pros playing as attackers....against a defence rating of 70, it's very unbalanced. Fifa 10 works well when you can use your strength to muscle players off the ball, but it doesn't work like that when a defender who's rating is 70 is trying to deal with a striker who's rating is 90.

Okay that makes sense. Haven't played online much.

The custom tactics option is also being abused at corner kicks. You can put almost your entire team on the goal line causing heaps of confusion and deflections and inevitably, lots of goals.

Weird. Will try to do this and see how it works. Must be a counter for this surely.

Goal Keepers: Apparently double tapping Y stops them from coming off the line. It rarely works for me because I'm concentrating on positioning my defenders and by the time I check the radar and see the keeper running out like a fool, it's usually too late (especially against experienced players).

Fair enough. I would imagine it would be hard to make your keeper stay on the line like that. It seems like your issues are a few niggly flaws that can be exploited and therefore gamebreaking? Particularly online. Anyway, I'll play this a bit more and let you know what I think.

BTW anyone have any advice on crosses? Mine are really shit and normally too close to the keeper. Yes I know double tap (weird, exactly the same as PES! Ha ha)

[RunningMild]

Yes I know double tap (weird, exactly the same as PES! Ha ha)

What's not exactly the same as PES is you can't place a perfect cross at full speed with defenders on your arse. There's one PES habit I had to shake off for this game. ;)

Here are three steps I follow for the best possible cross:

1. Get clear of defenders
2. Slow down as much as possible before kicking
3. Make sure you're kicking off the strong foot

Accomplishing just one of these steps will improve the cross. All three should make it go exactly where you want.

Also, I don't bother double-tapping anymore. I just press the button once and hold it down to control the distance. I do cross along the ground occasionally if it's appropriate (triple-tap, just like PES! :p).

[Bokracroc]

FIFA seems to have 'unloaded' my Virtual Pro. He still exists but he's not connected to my profile anymore :S Instead I had to make a new one :( What the shit happened?

[Jickle]

Er... you guys must be better at this game than me. I missed about 10 lobs against Thraxas. I think Thraxas scored from one or came really close... I need more practice!


Bam! (http://www.easportsfootball.co.uk/media/play/video/12342060)

Has anyone else uploaded any videos? I wouldn't mind learning a few things from some of the board's better players. :p

[Blue]

Both, but mainly the football. The goalkeepers have gone back four years in terms of AI. All the random goalkeepers in Clubs are no more than 5'5. Goalkeepers can't make regulation catches. They rush off their line too much. Passing is inconsistent. Fouls (especially with the A button) are given away too easily. Hitting the post is still far too common, happens twice in every game.

And the lag is ridiculous.Double tap Y/Triangle to make the keeper stay on his line.

Passing is inconsistent? You'll probably have to go into more detail with that one.

Fouls are more realistic, and punish charging in from the back and sides. The ref plays advantage most of the time, which is pleasant. Hitting the post does not happen in every game, let alone twice.

Maybe, just MAYBE, you need to pass, tackle and shoot better. Maybe.

[RunningMild]

I wouldn't mind learning a few things from some of the board's better players. :p

We could just play against each other. ;)

[Jickle]

We could just play against each other. ;)

I'll play you sometime. Just promise you won't make fun of my shittiness. >_>

[proofreeder]

Nice chip Jickle! Just checked it out, that's cool. I'm definitely going to try and learn how to do that now (the uploading, not the chip, although I need to learn both :P). I almost scored a classic with Benzema the other day I would have loved to have shown.

If I can figure it out (and get around to it), maybe I'll start a comp like UC1 did with top five goals from Hyper members or something.

And I'll play both of you too! I'm kinda keen to see how other forum members play the game. First up though, a rematch with Thraxas...

[Blue]

It would be cool if we could get a 360 tourney going. I'll make the thread now, check for interest. Sign up, we'll get some match-ups going.

[Cian]

Maybe, just MAYBE, you need to pass, tackle and shoot better. Maybe.


http://filmic.files.wordpress.com/2007/08/pulp_fiction-bible.jpg

[Jay]

Now this I want to watch. :)

[proofreeder]

Ha ha ha ha ha... good posting made me lol guys.

I think there's already an A-League League going Blue which I missed out on. Could anyone post the current standings on that, I'm interested. Or can I check them out myself? Hmm... that's an idea. Can I do that?

[Spazzallo]

I'll take a look at the league tomorrow and see if there is a way to invite people into it.

Currently Cian is on top though I don't think many people have bothered playing matches yet.

[proofreeder]

Ah, it's cool bro, I'm happy to wait for the next one, I need the practice.

[RunningMild]

Just promise you won't make fun of my shittiness. >_>

I wouldn't dream of it! I'm not exactly an elite player myself. :p

[Blue]

Ha ha ha ha ha... good posting made me lol guys.

I think there's already an A-League League going Blue which I missed out on. Could anyone post the current standings on that, I'm interested. Or can I check them out myself? Hmm... that's an idea. Can I do that?Oh, I was under the impression that there was only a PS3 league going.

[proofreeder]

Nope, 360.

[Jickle]

Woo, goal by exploit! (http://www.easportsfootball.co.uk/media/play/video/12407849)

[Ashmaran]

The AI has done that to me before, totally ridiculous.

Edit: Just scored a super goal!

http://www.easportsfootball.co.uk/media/play/video/12422439

[Jay]

Okay, I'm getting sick of the board dropping confidence in me when I draw matches. I just drew 0 - 0 with the top team (currently second) despite dominating the game. Board not happy. Get ****ed mother****ers.

[texta]

Oh, I was under the impression that there was only a PS3 league going.

http://www.hyper.com.au/forums/showthread.php?t=19472

[Blue]

The lag is terrible, and ranges from ordinary to unplayable. Seems to have gone backwards from last year.

[Spazzallo]

It's fine against Australian opponents though the chances of that happening are rare. Would've been nice to have a matchmaking filter (no one mention lobbies, nobody uses lobbies).

[texta]

Playing against people on your friend list is fine. Finding people who are as bad as me is pretty tricky though.

[Lex]

Playing against people on your friend list is fine. Finding people who are as bad as me is pretty tricky though.

That'd be me. Haven't touched a soccer game since fifa 99, and I sucked then.

[Thraxas]

I'd be happy to play anyone... I'm not that good either...

[Jay]

I'm not brilliant either - I'll send you a friend request and we can marvel at each other's ineptitude. :)

[proofreeder]

You're too hard on yourself Thraxas. You should have a go against him texta/lex, he's a good opponent and a friendly guy.

For me, if you want an online game of Fifa, arranged Australian games seem to be the only way to go. Hyper forum would be a great way to meet opponents I think. THere seems to be about 20 or so players here.

[Cian]

Final decision made, I'm trading this in against Modern Warfare 2. Hugely disappointing.

Until next year.

[grimace06]

Final decision made, I'm trading this in against Modern Warfare 2. Hugely disappointing.

Until next year.

Dude, it's surely not that bad that you have to trade it - local play is still brilliant.

[Cian]

Dude, it's surely not that bad that you have to trade it - local play is still brilliant.

Local is a waste of time for me. The EA servers are getting progressively worse. Ridiculous.

[RunningMild]

Final decision made, I'm trading this in against Modern Warfare 2. Hugely disappointing.

Until next year.

Glad that we've already played all our league games then. :p

Speaking of which, it seems really hard to get league games done. Every time someone is online, they're doing something else. Maybe we should come up with a schedule and set the times in advance.

[autologic]

Generally when I'm online I'll quit whatever I'm doing to play some league games, although if I'm doing a match on Live I might ask you to wait 10 mins or so :p

[Jay]

Had two great games with grimace before, though they were a touch laggy at my end (not sure how they were for grimace, my headset needed charging). First one finished 3 - 1 my way, and he got the reversal in the second 2 - 1. A decider will be played at a later date. :)

[autologic]

I did three of my league games against grimace last week, they were all fairly exciting. The first game was a draw, and after that we both managed to grab one each. I'm looking forward to our decider :D

[Jay]

Just played four or five games against fearofthesky. Broke his heart in the last one (Parma v Roma) with a 90th minute equaliser and then a winner in the 115th minute. Sorry fots!

In our game Perth v Melbourne his keeper pulled off what can only be described as a ninja save. Truly extraordinary. We should have recorded it.

[grimace06]

Let me know when you're up for the decider, Jay.

[RunningMild]

Let me know when you're up for the decider, Jay.

And let me know when you're up for some matches, please!

[Jay]

Let me know when you're up for the decider, Jay.

Totally. Too drunk now to do myself justice (public holiday tomorrow :) ) but definitely up for it. I felt as though you had the better chances in both games without hurting me as much as you should. Interestingly we have completely different playing styles. Makes for challenging games, as we both need to adapt on the fly.

[proofreeder]

Just played four or five games against fearofthesky. Broke his heart in the last one (Parma v Roma) with a 90th minute equaliser and then a winner in the 115th minute. Sorry fots!

In our game Perth v Melbourne his keeper pulled off what can only be described as a ninja save. Truly extraordinary. We should have recorded it.

Don't think you can record in online games - is that right?

Good to see the Fifa Hyper scene is thriving though! :D Now I just need to figure out how to score outside of one on ones...

I've only just started playing live, but would a "Fifa evening" be a good idea, whereby we're all on at the same time and everyone plays each other? Do they do that for Forza here or something? That would be sweet.

[Jay]

I just scored the most outrageous goal - a back heel flick from the top of the 12 yard box by Lampard. I'm uploading it, so as soon as it's done I'll post a link. Haha. 85th minute winner too (assuming I can hang on, of course).

[autologic]

They do something like that for Forza, but I guess it's a little easier in a racing game where you can all be in the same race. Still, if there is a night that is good for everyone then I'm up for whatever. Personally I'm in the final stretch of Uni for the year but as of 5pm on Friday the 13th I'll be a free man and after that every night is gonna be good :D

[RunningMild]

I tried having some matches with Grimace. Every time I accepted an invite from him, it said the match was unavailable. He claims that every time I sent him an invite, the same thing happened to him.

Curse you lousy Australian Internet! :(

[grimace06]

I tried having some matches with Grimace. Every time I accepted an invite from him, it said the match was unavailable. He claims that every time I sent him an invite, the same thing happened to him.

Curse you lousy Australian Internet! :(

Well I sent you a message saying that it might've been because I invited you to a party and because I was in the party it wouldnt work - but you went offline just as I sent it.

Let me know when you want to try again.

[RunningMild]

Why did you invite me to a party btw?

[grimace06]

Why did you invite me to a party btw?

In case you had a headset.

[Blue]

Local is a waste of time for me. The EA servers are getting progressively worse. Ridiculous.Translation: I do not have any friends.


:D


Seriously though, as I've said before, I buy these games pretty much solely for the local multiplayer. Which is excellent. Truly excellent.

[Bokracroc]

Seriously though, as I've said before, I buy these games pretty much solely for the local multiplayer. Which is excellent. Truly excellent.
Out of all the games I have (At least 27ish) this has been getting the most play when someone comes over. Over ODST, Vegas 2, even Rock Band 2!

[Blue]

Out of all the games I have (At least 27ish) this has been getting the most play when someone comes over. Over ODST, Vegas 2, even Rock Band 2!FIFA 10 is the sober game, and Rock Band is the drunk game. That is the extent of my multiplayer gaming.

Is Rock Band 2 coming out in Australia? I'm sick of RB1.

[Bokracroc]

**** RB2, I want Lego Rock Band. Out in the US today, 27th for UK (and imports to here).

[RunningMild]

In case you had a headset.

Which I do, but I didn't think you had to join a party to use it. Also, I skipped the terms and conditions earlier so I couldn't accept the party invitation. Also I couldn't be arsed using the headset at the time. It's all a rich tapestry. :p

Is Rock Band 2 coming out in Australia?

Nope. If you don't agree with that, let MTV Games know how you feel.

[Blue]

There was discussion in the Rock Band thread recently about an imminent release, however.

If it still isn't going to arrive, I will purchase it in England in a couple of weeks.

[RunningMild]

There was discussion in the Rock Band thread recently about an imminent release, however.

If it still isn't going to arrive, I will purchase it in England in a couple of weeks.

Well, I heard it was never getting released because MTV Games couldn't be bothered distributing it. That was a while ago though, but honestly, RB games have had hundreds of Aussie release dates over the years and they all turned out to be bogus, so why would this be any different?

Also @ Grimace- I'm pretty much available all the time (damn recession ;) ). How about you name a time and I'll tell you if I can be there?

[grimace06]

Well, I heard it was never getting released because MTV Games couldn't be bothered distributing it. That was a while ago though, but honestly, RB games have had hundreds of Aussie release dates over the years and they all turned out to be bogus, so why would this be any different?

Also @ Grimace- I'm pretty much available all the time (damn recession ;) ). How about you name a time and I'll tell you if I can be there?

Tonight around 9?

[RunningMild]

Tonight around 9?

Sure. My computer is saying that's 7:30pm Perth time (assuming you're in Adelaide), so that will be just fine.

[proofreeder]

The hyper/fifa community is burgeoning! Hooray!

With good reason too. This is a game you can keep improving with time, possibly indefinitely. You can use many of the same principles of real football as you do in the game. For example, patience, waiting for overcommital then taking advantage. I was using this a lot with good success against online players, exactly what I do in real soccer (when my bloody teammates can be patient enough :P )

Alright, so which tricks have people incorporated into their game successfully on a regular basis? Atm all I have managed is the fake shot, which I am learning to use pretty well nowadays after my transition to PES (although they did rip it straight from there :P ).

I've been really trying to implement the long first touch using the right stick but still finding it difficult to use consistently after my limited playing time.

And if you brag about tearing it up with a move, then you need to use it online!

[Blue]

If anyone wants a game tonight, send me a message. I'll probably be playing SFIV or Forza 3, but hit me up and wait for two minutes while I change discs, and we'll get a game or three going.

My tag is 'Blue AUS'.

EDIT: Proof, I found the first touch to be much more exploitative in the last game. You could easily use it to tear away from a defender and leave them wrong-footed, whereas in this game, it can leave the ball in no-man's land if you're not more careful. I'm still trying to get used to it, as I was able to dribble around my mates last year, but need more practice this time around.

[RunningMild]

Grimace- Wow. I would have said good game, if it wasn't for that godawful lag that ruined the whole experience.

In the last 20 minutes of the second game, it lagged every single time you entered my defensive half. It's hard enough trying to defend a 1-0 lead without having to fight the lag as well!

Third game, there was an early incident where Sikora broke away and was through on goal, and only had to pass the ball to Sterjovski for an easy tap-in. He got run down because the game started lagging. Actually, for the first 20 minutes of that game, it lagged every time I entered your defensive half!

Fourth game, I was 2-1 up and you entered my defensive half and the game literally FROZE. Seriously, I was trying to defend and it stopped dead. When it started again, you got through, crossed the ball, and it froze again! When it started again you headed the ball in for a goal.

And don't even get me started on that game where, within one minute, two players had shots at a wide open goal from 2m out and they both hit the post!

Was it as bad on your end Grim? And seriously, are you on dial-up or something? :p

[grimace06]

Grimace- Wow. I would have said good game, if it wasn't for that godawful lag that ruined the whole experience.

In the last 20 minutes of the second game, it lagged every single time you entered my defensive half. It's hard enough trying to defend a 1-0 lead without having to fight the lag as well!

Third game, there was an early incident where Sikora broke away and was through on goal, and only had to pass the ball to Sterjovski for an easy tap-in. He got run down because the game started lagging. Actually, for the first 20 minutes of that game, it lagged every time I entered your defensive half!

Fourth game, I was 2-1 up and you entered my defensive half and the game literally FROZE. Seriously, I was trying to defend and it stopped dead. When it started again, you got through, crossed the ball, and it froze again! When it started again you headed the ball in for a goal.

And don't even get me started on that game where, within one minute, two players had shots at a wide open goal from 2m out and they both hit the post!

Was it as bad on your end Grim? And seriously, are you on dial-up or something? :p

Sorry man - my brother came home and begun using the net late in the 2nd game and believe me I had lag too. I certainly let my brother know that.

[RunningMild]

Sorry man - my brother came home and begun using the net late in the 2nd game and believe me I had lag too. I certainly let my brother know that.

Ah, ok. I had a feeling something like that happened. :p

Also, that would explain why 'latency' had one bar going into the third game and three going into the fourth. ;)

I can see what Cian was complaining about re: guys hitting the post, but honestly I think that's the kind of glitch that only happens with slightly dodgy connections. I certainly had no problems with shots hitting the post when the game ran smoothly. Bad connections may also result in passes not going where they're supposed to, but when the connection's good there's no problems at all. I've also never had a problem with goalies running off their line when I didn't command them to, lag or no lag.

[Thraxas]

I've got tomorrow off, so if you see me online playing Dragon Age and fancy a game or two of FIFA just message me, and I'll be happy to play.

[proofreeder]

Watch out Thraxas, I'm getting better! I'd be keen for another round next week or the week after if you're up for it. Msg me! :)

On holidays in Melbourne atm so haven't played it so much, but just had a quick bash.

Starting to get the hang of the strong first touch with right stick, used it once on the fast break successfully. Playing around with the fake pass in defence. Cannot get the stepovers to work consistently though.

Still can't dominate in world class mode like I could in PES, but maybe that's a good thing.

Jostling and 360 degree dribbling are 2 of the greatest implementations in a football game, or sporting game, possibly ever.

I'd love to play, or watch, someone who had mastered this game, I think you could become amazing at this game, the room for growth is near unlimited. This would be an amazing game for professional videogames players. Anyone got some footage of players who have mastered the game? Might check that Fifa site when I get back in Adelaide.

[RunningMild]

Still can't dominate in world class mode like I could in PES, but maybe that's a good thing.

Trust me, it's a really good thing. You have to be on the ball in every game, and if you start slacking off or getting lazy, any team can step up and surprise you. You may be cruising along as a rich juggernaut, and all of a sudden a minnow steps up to beat you because you showed them no respect.

It's just like real life and it's more challenging and fun as a result. Pro Evo is boring because you can go through and flog every team in every comp 6-0. No real life team has ever been that good, and no virtual team should be that good either.

Don't expect to ever dominate world class mode like you did in Pro Evo. Oh sure, you can win most of your games, win trebles and quadruples and such, but you're certainly gonna have to fight for it. :p

[RunningMild]

fearofthesky- What was the story with that own goal in the last game? That must have been heartbreaking!

On another note, I had lots of fun playing as Tottenham. Did you notice how hard I was trying to score a goal with Peter Crouch at the end? I think he's useless and as such a goal from him would have been the ultimate humiliation IMO. :p

[fearofthesky]

fearofthesky- What was the story with that own goal in the last game? That must have been heartbreaking!

On another note, I had lots of fun playing as Tottenham. Did you notice how hard I was trying to score a goal with Peter Crouch at the end? I think he's useless and as such a goal from him would have been the ultimate humiliation IMO. :p

haha yeah I'm not sure about that one, I was just trying to clear and kept hitting X. Somehow kicked it into my own damn net. Bah! I'm getting a lil better, still need to vary the pace a bit more. Going flat out too often dauses me lots of turnovers it seems.

[RunningMild]

I'm getting a lil better, still need to vary the pace a bit more. Going flat out too often causes me lots of turnovers it seems.

Yeah, when I first converted from Pro Evo to FIFA I just went flat out all the time. After a while I realised that you had to slow it down a bit to get the best results.

For example, in Pro Evo, I never used to pass it among my defenders! Never ever! I'd just grab the ball and pound it up the middle and it worked. In FIFA, I pass it among my defenders a lot more in order to slow down the game, set up play from the backline, pick real gaps in the formation and all that. You may have noticed a particularly epic bit of backline passing in one of our games... I wish I'd plugged in the headset so you could hear me saying "half-back, passes to center, back to wing, back to center... center holds it... holds it... holds it..." :p

[fearofthesky]

I wish I'd plugged in the headset so you could hear me saying "half-back, passes to center, back to wing, back to center... center holds it... holds it... holds it..." :p
Yeah we'll get the headsets out next time for sure. Good games. The instinct to slide tackle hard is the main thing I've bought over from playing Pro Evo 2008. Its not quite as effective in FIFA, and leaves the defender a much longer way out of position.
Also in PES08, you could just throw the ball straight in with the keeper and your players would always jog over and get it. You can't do that in this! I ****ed that up a few times in our games...it was what led to my own goal. :(

[RunningMild]

Yeah we'll get the headsets out next time for sure. Good games. The instinct to slide tackle hard is the main thing I've bought over from playing Pro Evo 2008. Its not quite as effective in FIFA, and leaves the defender a much longer way out of position.
Also in PES08, you could just throw the ball straight in with the keeper and your players would always jog over and get it. You can't do that in this! I ****ed that up a few times in our games...it was what led to my own goal. :(

Yeah, you scared me with some of those slide tackles! It was like 'lalalalalaaaa, march to the goal... OH SHIT didn't see that coming!' :p

Also, you reminded me of one bit where your keeper threw it straight to my guy. I eased up because I thought you were gonna take a second and pass it to someone, and when my guy got it I was literally fumbling for the controller! Then it was too late for a tap-in so I tried running around him and screwed it up.

[proofreeder]

Yeah, keeper throwouts don't baby you as much as PES. I think this is a good thing personally as it allows more freedom once you get used to it but does contribute to a lot of mistakes during the transition phase. Allows for some nice outlet passes.

[RunningMild]

Being able to charge the throw is fantastic. I hated how Pro Evo only let you roll it out to the nearest guy. I remember watching Real one day and seeing Casillas throwing it over-arm to the side backs and thinking 'that should be in the game!' :p

[RunningMild]

Anyone planning to play FIFA during the week? I have a new formation that I'm looking to try out.

[Jay]

Interesting Kotaku article on Fifa 10. They have their own football pitch!

http://www.kotaku.com.au/2009/11/turning-the-beautiful-game-into-a-video-game/

[RunningMild]

Is everyone over this game already? I'd love to play some lag-free games with my new formation. :p

I tried it in a couple of random games and won them both. The first was an epic comeback in overtime against Liverpool (2 all at the end of the game, he scored in overtime to make it 3-2, but I scored two goals before the break for a 4-3 win!). The second was a 1-0 win in a Real Madrid vs Real Madrid match, and it was interesting to see how we could get two totally different lineups from the same team. He/she probably laughed when they saw Gago starting on the right wing, but I showed him/her! :p

[grimace06]

Is everyone over this game already? I'd love to play some lag-free games with my new formation. :p

I tried it in a couple of random games and won them both. The first was an epic comeback in overtime against Liverpool (2 all at the end of the game, he scored in overtime to make it 3-2, but I scored two goals before the break for a 4-3 win!). The second was a 1-0 win in a Real Madrid vs Real Madrid match, and it was interesting to see how we could get two totally different lineups from the same team. He/she probably laughed when they saw Gago starting on the right wing, but I showed him/her! :p

If you're up for it on Thursday night I'll have a game or two with you - the internet will be off limits haha.

[proofreeder]

Hey Mr M, I'm not over it, just haven't had much time to play lately.

I need to buy another subscription to Live, but I'll definitely give you a game sometime when I do. Still need a rematch with Thraxas too.

[autologic]

Modern Warfare 2 has been eating into my Fifa time but I usually manage some regular games anyway. My gamertag is in my sig, feel free to add.

[Thraxas]

Yeah I'm not over it either it's just Dragon Age and Assassin's Creed 2 came along and ate up my life

[RunningMild]

If you're up for it on Thursday night I'll have a game or two with you - the internet will be off limits haha.

That should be fine. What time?

[grimace06]

That should be fine. What time?

About 9 my time?

[RunningMild]

No worries. :p

[Azzaman]

Played an online match last night against a mate of mine, lost by 9 goals.....

I think I may have lost my touch ;)

[grimace06]

I might have to make a raincheck on those matches tonight Mr M - if I'm on we'll have a match but I've been roped into doing something tonight.

[autologic]

I can replace grimace if you like, Mr. M. Pretty much anytime if good for me. I added you on Live either way.

[RunningMild]

I might have to make a raincheck on those matches tonight Mr M - if I'm on we'll have a match but I've been roped into doing something tonight.

I can replace grimace if you like, Mr. M. Pretty much anytime if good for me. I added you on Live either way.

Well I was just about to log on in ten minutes (7pm my time) so I'll play whoever's there! :p

[autologic]

Next time, Mr M.... next time >:[

[RunningMild]

To all involved, I say: gg. :p

[grimace06]

Next time, Mr M.... next time >:[

Missed a lot of chances too I take it?

[RunningMild]

Missed a lot of chances too I take it?

It would have to be a lot of chances to make up the deficit I had over him. ;)

[grimace06]

It would have to be a lot of chances to make up the deficit I had over him. ;)

I see.

That second match we had was really good ( let us never speak of John O Shea's error early in the first match ever again:p) but yeah good games all round.

[RunningMild]

good games all round.

Yeah. I dunno how many games the rest of you played, but for me, playing six lag-free games of Fifa in a row was fantastic. It really reminded me why Fifa '10 is the beautiful game. :p

And in case Cian is interested...

Shots hitting the post- Nope. All the shots that hit the post look like they should have.

Passes not going where they're supposed to- Nope, nothing worse than what you get in an offline game anyway.

Defensive miscommunications- Nope, not on my end anyway.

Clearly, all the problems you were having with the game are caused purely by bad connections (because I've also experienced them in games with massive lag). Too bad you can't search for opponents according to latency, or EA didn't make the servers better, then there'd be no problems.

[autologic]

Missed a lot of chances too I take it?
I started well and got out to an early 1-0 lead, but I gifted him a goal with a horrendous goal kick late in the first half and it was all downhill from there. He got a couple back to back early in the second and I couldn't chase him down. I think it ended 3-1. :(

[grimace06]

Yeah. I dunno how many games the rest of you played, but for me, playing six lag-free games of Fifa in a row was fantastic. It really reminded me why Fifa '10 is the beautiful game. :p

And in case Cian is interested...

Shots hitting the post- Nope. All the shots that hit the post look like they should have.

Passes not going where they're supposed to- Nope, nothing worse than what you get in an offline game anyway.

Defensive miscommunications- Nope, not on my end anyway.

Clearly, all the problems you were having with the game are caused purely by bad connections (because I've also experienced them in games with massive lag). Too bad you can't search for opponents according to latency, or EA didn't make the servers better, then there'd be no problems.

While thats all true, I still prefer local play - it's more psychological.

[Jabbz]

I have fifa 10 now on 360, will happily play anyone interested. Just add me/hit me up for a game......

and expect to beat me mercilessly!

[RunningMild]

I have fifa 10 now on 360, will happily play anyone interested. Just add me/hit me up for a game......

and expect to beat me mercilessly!

If you play FIFA like you play Fantasy Footy, you'll probably pick George Best's corpse in your team... and still win! :(

Regardless, I'll play you if you can guarantee a lag-free game. Speaking of which:

@ grimace- you sent me a message on XBL which said 'I hope the games were lag-free'. They certainly were! :p

[proofreeder]

Great to see the Fifa Hyper community is still thriving! :D Good work Mr M!

I'll give you a game sometime Jabbz too! Once I renew my live membership that is.

Regardless, I'll play you if you can guarantee a lag-free game. Speaking of which:

@ grimace- you sent me a message on XBL which said 'I hope the games were lag-free'. They certainly were!

Aren't all the Australian games lag free? My games with Thraxas were great, and from all reports from this forum I haven't heard of any game in the same country with lag. Random games, however, are sh*t. (for me).

[autologic]

All the games I've played against Aussies have been great connection wise.

[RunningMild]

The first time I played grimace, there was lag because someone else was surfing the net. Obviously some connections can't handle the extra load. No problems in our most recent games however.

Originally Posted by Ms M

Them's fighting words proofreader! :p

[Cian]

Has this piece of shit been patched yet?

[proofreeder]

Originally Posted by Ms M
Them's fighting words proofreader! :p

Must've been a typo... >.>

[Jabbz]

If you play FIFA like you play Fantasy Footy, you'll probably pick George Best's corpse in your team... and still win! :(

Regardless, I'll play you if you can guarantee a lag-free game. Speaking of which:

@ grimace- you sent me a message on XBL which said 'I hope the games were lag-free'. They certainly were! :p

I'm fairly certain im lag free, always have the pc off just to ensure the bandwidth is all for fifa!

And.. well.... I probably wont win, but will always try.... and maybe resort to injuring you! te he he!

[RunningMild]

I found a small flaw with FIFA's online play.

You can't play unless you sign in to EA's server. However, even though the Internet is working and Live is working perfectly, grimace and I were unable to sign in to it. So just because EA's server is down, it means that we can't play each other.

Couldn't they have put in an option to play against people on your friends list without having to sign in, just for situations like this? I know that would mean no roster updates, but surely you could trust a friend to not bring in a created superman or a custom superteam?

[Cian]

I found a small flaw with FIFA's online play.

You can't play unless you sign in to EA's server. However, even though the Internet is working and Live is working perfectly, grimace and I were unable to sign in to it. So just because EA's server is down, it means that we can't play each other.

Couldn't they have put in an option to play against people on your friends list without having to sign in, just for situations like this? I know that would mean no roster updates, but surely you could trust a friend to not bring in a created superman or a custom superteam?


Pathetic, eh? When I was really concentrating on my rank, nothing was more frustrating than getting disconnected. I was beating a guy 6-0 in Fifa 09 only to be disconnected in stoppage time. He got a win and I got a loss. Bullshit.

[grimace06]

Online finishing.....rage.

[RunningMild]

Online finishing.....rage.

There were two shots there where I genuinely thought the game was over... before they missed.

In any case, I am still undefeated in online games where I play as Real Madrid and use my 3-5-2. Three went to penalty shootouts (two against Grimace).

[Jabbz]

There were two shots there where I genuinely thought the game was over... before they missed.

In any case, I am still undefeated in online games where I play as Real Madrid and use my 3-5-2. Three went to penalty shootouts (two against Grimace).

I'm still yet to record a win, we should play, and that way it will be status quo! :D

Is the Hyper league going on? Can I get in on the action?

[autologic]

I think the league kind of died maybe. I'm keen for some game.

[RunningMild]

What time is good for you Jabbz?

[grimace06]

I think the league kind of died maybe. I'm keen for some game.

It's because Cian had a rage sook/quit.

[RunningMild]

It's because Cian had a rage sook/quit.

Also, I've had my four games against everyone who's ever available for a game, so I'm pretty much finished I guess.

There was a thread for another league (http://www.hyper.com.au/forums/showthread.php?t=19645&highlight=Fifa), but that stopped for no reason. Maybe I'll start it up if no-one else does...

[proofreeder]

Don't think it ever started lol.

[autologic]

Yeah, that non A-League one never started.

[Jay]

So let's do it. I'm happy to be involved (but not organise - far too busy being on holidays :p ).

[RunningMild]

Don't think it ever started lol.

I meant the thread stopped. :p

[proofreeder]

Oooooohh...

[Tonez]

I'm also in guys.

[RunningMild]

New thread should be up tonight.

[grimace06]

Some Fifa-related achievement confusion.

Today in Manager Mode I finished a season after playing every game and winning three trophies. Yet I got neither achievement.

I don't know why - but I think it might be because I left the game on for a while a few times and my controller went flat, giving me the "don't change teams or you wont get an achievement" message - but the thing is I didn't change teams.

[autologic]

but when the controller goes flat doesn't it go back to the middle bit where you aren't on either team? Maybe if you select the same team again it still processes that as changing teams.

[grimace06]

but when the controller goes flat doesn't it go back to the middle bit where you aren't on either team? Maybe if you select the same team again it still processes that as changing teams.

Yeah I don't know - it's annoying because I won all 46 matches in the League, scoring 210 goals and won every cup game as well.

Turns out "The Treble" achievement has to be won in a top tier league.

[RunningMild]

I wish you could choose to search opponents by latency. I'm sick of having matches which disconnect in the first half due to a bad connection, or matches where the lag between pressing the pass button and actually passing results in turning the ball over, or passing out to the middle of nowhere because you were hammering the button.

Seriously, every match I get is one bar. Where are all the two and three bar connections? Maybe I should try playing during the day and hope for some Aussie connections...

[Spazzallo]

Invite me, I'll play :D.

[RunningMild]

Invite me, I'll play :D.

I get the feeling you won't be as eager to play in future. :p

[Spazzallo]

Oh I will be. Just a one off game where everything goes wrong -_-'. Don't think I've yelled at the TV screen that much for a long while :P.

[Azzaman]

*sigh* why'd I grab this for ps3? my mate I play with never seems to play...

[Jabbz]

*sigh* why'd I grab this for ps3? my mate I play with never seems to play...

Trade it in for a 360 version! :D If anyone wants a match, just message me, I'm ready to play online now.

[Spazzallo]

So I was browsing xbox live just now and saw a trailer for Ultimate Team. The same Ultimate Team that was DLC in FIFA 09. EA never cease to amaze me in how low they will go for an extra buck. I'd also like my Live Season which was mentioned on the box for free please, ****tards.

[grimace06]

Now I remember why I stopped playing Fifa for near on 2 months..

[RunningMild]

Now I remember why I stopped playing Fifa for near on 2 months..

Why's that?

[grimace06]

Why's that?

Oh don't worry dude - nothing to do with you, your wins were fully deserved.

I just get annoyed with Fifa's inconsistency, with free kicks paid, with defenders and the way you control them. It's always annoyed me - I can't be the only one who thinks the games favoured towards attack.

[RunningMild]

Oh don't worry dude - nothing to do with you, your wins were fully deserved.

Ok then, coz I was ready to point out that you had that 4-0 thrashing so it wasn't all doom and gloom.

(Actually, I was surprised at how big the margins were. Most of our games are really close and scrappy.)

I just get annoyed with Fifa's inconsistency, with free kicks paid, with defenders and the way you control them. It's always annoyed me - I can't be the only one who thinks the games favoured towards attack.Firstly, inconsistency with free kicks, while annoying, is part of real football. If you make the refs perfect you kinda take away the realism. ;)

Secondly, I'm not sure exactly what you're referring to re: the defenders.

[Grechy]

New World Cup game announced. Obviously will use the FIFA 11 engine with some tweaks and gameplay enhancements.

Taken from http://kotaku.com/5457775/ea-sports-confirms-fifa-world-cup-2010

• A gorgeous new pitch: Our pitch simply wasn't good enough, so we've made it look superb.
• Lighting of the players and environment: Clever changes to the lighting makes everything look more realistic.
• Camera flashes: You'll see all the fans in the crowd using their cameras.
• Seat cards: Fans hold up cards to form national flags and emblems in a show of patriotism.
• Fans: Close-up shots on supporters cheering on their team or despairing in anguish.
• Confetti rains down from the sky in the team colors and stays on the pitch all game.
• Streamers create a carnival atmosphere as they glide to the ground.
• Populated benches: Characters sit on the benches rather than being empty.
• Broadcast graphics: The same captions you've seen in FIFA tournament broadcasts.
• Close-up celebration camera: To really feel the goal-scoring moment, the camera zooms in close to the player as he responds to your celebration commands.
• New players and managers: More content for star heads and many of the team managers.[England national team manager Fabio] Capello looks brilliant, and [notoriously tall English footballer] Peter Crouch no longer looks like a naughty elf.

Can't wait. :)

[pezhead015]

They are the lamest upgrades ever.

[Spazzallo]

Pretty sure half of those were in World Cup 2002 as well >_<.

[grimace06]

The Cup-themed games always seem more colourful.

This is the stuff that comes standard.

[Grechy]

Well I still can't wait to try and take Malta to glory. :D

[autologic]

Those little touches are always nice, and they definitely add to the atmosphere of the game. Probably not enough for me to justify a purchase, though.

[Spazzallo]

The best thing in a World Cup game was in 2002 with the emotional goals. If you scored the first goal or a goal to get into the lead or a late minute equalisor it would be followed by some orchestrated music and you're player celeberating in slow motion :).

[grimace06]

The best thing in a World Cup game was in 2002 with the emotional goals. If you scored the first goal or a goal to get into the lead or a late minute equalisor it would be followed by some orchestrated music and you're player celeberating in slow motion :).

I liked the "Star Player" feature in 02 and the red trail on powerful shots.

[Jay]

Has anyone spotted the promised 'updates' for the World Cup game that allow you to play memorable moments from this World Cup? I want to do the Suarez handball off the line...

[pezhead015]

Has anyone spotted the promised 'updates' for the World Cup game that allow you to play memorable moments from this World Cup? I want to do the Suarez handball off the line...

Apparently you need a CHEAT code for that one.

[Starscream]

6OEe5eTspMU

Come on Konami, it's time to make a comeback. Back to fundamentals, please.

[REQUIEM]

The red trail on powerful shots.

memories.