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texta
23-09-2009, 10:25 AM
Love hate or don't really care; what do you think of Apple?
Fenrir
23-09-2009, 10:33 AM
Anonymous poll? (voted hate, btw, obviously)
And er, yeah, starting a new thread might've been the way to go. I made my views clear before: for some reason, the brand just beckons unjustified vitriol, and that may be keeping Apple from penetrating the mainstream desktop market - and for that reason, it may be worthwhile for Apple to consider a complete rebranding.
Or something. >_>
Queenie
23-09-2009, 10:44 AM
where's the "too expensive" option?
Lazlow
23-09-2009, 10:46 AM
Indifferent.
Like any other company they make some good products and some shit ones. I like OS X, but unfortunately the entry price is still too high for me.
where's the "too expensive" option?
lol
I'm indifferent. I own an iPhone and get a lot of use out of it, but I don't really think much of their computer hardware, software or overall company image.
texta
23-09-2009, 11:17 AM
Anonymous poll? (voted hate, btw, obviously)Yeah, I ****ed it up.
And er, yeah, starting a new thread might've been the way to go. I made my views clear before: for some reason, the brand just beckons unjustified vitriol, and that may be keeping Apple from penetrating the mainstream desktop market - and for that reason, it may be worthwhile for Apple to consider a complete rebranding.
Or something. >_>I'm not sure that's true at all. I think there's a minority band of nerds who seem to hate Apple with a passion in the same way that there's the Ford v Holden thing for petrol heads and the majority of people aren't really interested.
The success of the ipod and iphone indicate that a lot of people don't have a problem with Apple at all and I think the mainstream opinion for their PC products isn't at all bad.
I think that the decision about mac vs pc for most people is about price and suitability for the task and while it's clear that PCs are more popular it's equally clear that Macs are popular enough for it to be a highly profitable business.
HiredMan
23-09-2009, 11:45 AM
Sorry, I ****ed up the merge. Just fixing now (I'm a bit rusty with the mod stuff atm, haha)
Love the OS, dislike the locked nature of the hardware (not in the Mac Pro but no way am I paying $4000 for like a $1000 computer)
sausage
23-09-2009, 12:26 PM
I'm indifferent to Apple as a brand because I don't have any of their products. That said, I did use Apple computers in my Digital Publishing component of my degree and wasn't too impressed, but I put that down to being used to Windows.
The real barrier to accessibility for me was how fluffing expensive they are compared to 'normal' PCs. On that basis alone I'm not prepared to shell out up to a 40% premium on something that came out of Steve Jobs sickly arse.
Vicious
23-09-2009, 12:26 PM
Love the OS, dislike the locked nature of the hardware (not in the Mac Pro but no way am I paying $4000 for like a $1000 computer)
Not sure if I should be able to discuss this, but a very popular item lately is the EFI-X module. It allows you to install a regular copy of OSX purchased directly from the store onto a compatible PC with no tinkering so no breaking the DRM or having to illegally pirate, slipstream, or other crap. It does break the EULA though, so not completely sure about legality.
Personally OSX feels claustrophobic to me. Everything I can do in it I can do in Windows. Maintenance isn't a problem for me so I have no reason to make a switch at all.
Some of their other products just don't work for me, have features, or performance that I want.
In terms of the brand itself I'm rather indifferent. Though Jobs is a bit of a tool IMO
I'm cynical about Microsoft, am both in love with and terrified of Google, but Apple as a brand rubs me up the wrong way. Like reluctant Windows users though, I don't let that get in the way of practicality and will use an Apple product if it's clearly the best option.
Fenrir basically summed up my problem with the brand in the other thread.
StorminNorman
23-09-2009, 02:23 PM
Love it. Been a Mac user for fifteen years.
Sometimes Apple make weird decisions (I thought the iPod was a bizarre move when it was first announced), and I think we can mostly forget about the early/mid 1990s.
Queenie
23-09-2009, 02:26 PM
Some of their other products just don't work for me, have features, or performance that I want.
Now this is also a major problem perhaps not with apple, but with third-party ports of software that were originally on windows, or just many programs in general. Many mac versions of things I've used on a PC have little to no features, whereas the others are like linux in comparison.
Lazlow
23-09-2009, 03:12 PM
Having used both setups for some time now, I can say I prefer designing on a Mac.
Vicious
23-09-2009, 03:39 PM
Been a Mac user for fifteen years.
They should personally apologize for every year before OSX.
I liked OS9 and used it more than I did OSX when we got our shiny new 700mhz iMac, but I think it was more because I was familiar with it at the time and was reluctant to move on.
Kotche
23-09-2009, 05:14 PM
It's a brand, who cares.
AranchineD
23-09-2009, 05:29 PM
Don't hate Apple, but don't see how anything they make is really special either.
Yeah, I ****ed it up.
I'm not sure that's true at all. I think there's a minority band of nerds who seem to hate Apple with a passion in the same way that there's the Ford v Holden thing for petrol heads and the majority of people aren't really interested.
The success of the ipod and iphone indicate that a lot of people don't have a problem with Apple at all and I think the mainstream opinion for their PC products isn't at all bad.
I think that the decision about mac vs pc for most people is about price and suitability for the task and while it's clear that PCs are more popular it's equally clear that Macs are popular enough for it to be a highly profitable business.Bingo.
Voted 'love', by the way, just to piss off said nerds. I think it probably has a lot to do with their hatred of Apple's advertisements which position their products towards 'trendy' people, with 'style', and deride a stereotypical hardcore PC user, ie. That fat guy with the glasses.
On an industrial level, computer programmers will use a PC, whereas graphic designers, photographers, artists, film-makers, and other media-focused professionals will use a Mac. That's another reason why a Mac would have a 'cool' image, through association with careers that are more interesting to 'cool' people. Maybe some people secretly wish they were creative types rather than code-monkeys, and harbour a deep resentment towards Apple's target market.
Basically, I like Apple, because I've enjoyed each of their products that I've purchased. But I don't have some kind of deep emotional attachment to it, because it's just a brand of computer at the end of the day. I love Gibson, Vox, Rough Trade, Third Man. Brands such as Ferrari, Aston Martin, and Mercedes. These are all brands that inspire a certain amount of passion in certain people. Sega were a massive part of my childhood, and I'll therefore always have fond memories of that brand, but to be an Apple hater or a Sony fanboy is a waste of energy.
My iPhone is the best phone I have ever owned. My X360 is the best console I have ever owned. The logo on it is incidental.
faceless
23-09-2009, 07:50 PM
i love that out of everyone involved in this stupid argument blue is the only one that can't let it go.
On an industrial level, computer programmers will use a PC, whereas graphic designers, photographers, artists, film-makers, and other media-focused professionals will use a Mac. That's another reason why a Mac would have a 'cool' image, through association with careers that are more interesting to 'cool' people.
lmao is this serious.
Apple has a huge programmer userbase. Walk into any major software company and you'll find as many if not more macs than PCs. Alot of the third-party development options avaliable on apple computers are fantastic, and if not for an industry so stupidly stuck using microsoft's programming language variants there'd probably be alot more of them.
Maybe some people secretly wish they were creative types rather than code-monkeys, and harbour a deep resentment towards Apple's target market.
maybe the creative types use a false sense of superiority to cover the fact secretly wish they had an employable skill and constantly get irrationally upset at the "repressed nerds" because they're actually earning a living.
nintendo
23-09-2009, 08:25 PM
meh. I personally hate the smugness of some of the Apple crowd and tend to stay away from it. Ive had a Mac Book for 3 years now and I cant see myself using anything else other than Mac from now on. I have owned the previous iPhone, I own the 3GS, an 80GB iPod, wear Converse and use a manbag....
But yeah. Love Apple.
i love that out of everyone involved in this stupid argument blue is the only one that can't let it go.
lmao is this serious.
Apple has a huge programmer userbase. Walk into any major software company and you'll find as many if not more macs than PCs. Alot of the third-party development options avaliable on apple computers are fantastic, and if not for an industry so stupidly stuck using microsoft's programming language variants there'd probably be alot more of them.
maybe the creative types use a false sense of superiority to cover the fact secretly wish they had an employable skill and constantly get irrationally upset at the "repressed nerds" because they're actually earning a living.Oh yeah, because it's not as if there's a lot of qualified programmers out there stuck working in call centres or doing data entry because web and game design is such a hugely oversaturated field.
There's a whole bunch of unemployed graphic designers, and a whole bunch of unemployed computer programmers. At least the graphic designers can sit around all day looking cool with their assortment of trendy Apple products.
Silverwolf
23-09-2009, 09:14 PM
lol
I'm indifferent. I own an iPhone and get a lot of use out of it, but I don't really think much of their computer hardware, software or overall company image.
Exactly this. My best mate has a $4000 macbook pro (which hes spent nearly another 1k on so it has two hard drives), and while it's very nice, I wouldn't ever buy one.
faceless
23-09-2009, 09:50 PM
Oh yeah, because it's not as if there's a lot of qualified programmers out there stuck working in call centres or doing data entry because web and game design is such a hugely oversaturated field.
There's a whole bunch of unemployed graphic designers, and a whole bunch of unemployed computer programmers. At least the graphic designers can sit around all day looking cool with their assortment of trendy Apple products.
the more you talk, the more you show you have no ****ing idea what you're on about.
first of all, call centre and data entry fields are largely populated by:
Foreigners who don't know better
Art students
People without a tertiary education
People with an outdated qualification
People with "qualifications" from those dodgy 3 month IT degree factories
and you will find, for the most part, that none of those people actually fit the stereotype you are parading around like it proves your point entirely. They're probably alot more like you - lazy, average intelligence and no real desire to put any work in to anything significant (I base this off the fact that the only thing you ever really indicate you do is be popular and play in a band).
Web design is actually the easiest industry to get into right now, it isn't some little niche of the industry back when everyone thought having an excel spreadsheet was the cutting edge of information technology. The main reason web design is such an employable industry is because at some point in the last 4 years people realised that the pretty little flash page the fresh-out-of-design school graphic designer pulled together on his mac in a couple of days is completely ****ing useless and they need programmers to actually give them a useful website.
actually that's a pretty good argument for why programmers shouldn't hate apple. their trendy culture created a whole bunch of idiotic, visionless graduates who are now inadvertently creating jobs for programmers.
if you actually intend to come in and attempt to bully an industry, maybe you should actually do some research into it before you base your points off a 10 year old stereotype.
I'm not "bullying an industry", chief. I'm touching a nerve.
"Lazy, average intelligence"? Haha. Hard-working, with above-average intelligence would be much more appropriate a description. That's of very little consequence.
Why do only "Art students" work in call centres, and not any other type of students?
Overall, I get the feeling that you're a little paranoid about your job prospects post-graduation. When I've finished my degrees, I've got my contacts, personality and broad range of skills to set me apart. You'll be just another bespectacled face in the crowd, it seems.
Or maybe you're just a person who, despite learning a skill, is envious of the people with talent.
Araenel
23-09-2009, 11:17 PM
jp doesn't wear glasses (I think).
Stop being racist against people with glasses.
Manny M
23-09-2009, 11:52 PM
Muchos Love.
Why? Because as cliche and disgusting as this sounds 'it just works'. Now that might be incredibly generalised, but i've been a PC user since my Amstrad back in the day, and i've become very accustomed to Windows and its ins and outs... but never in my life have I owned a computer which allows me to do what I want to do with such little grief as my Macbook. And even now, 2 1/2 years after I bought it, it still works just as well as it did when I bought it, and I honestly can't say the same for any other laptop i've owned or any mates who bought laptops around the same time I bought this.
StorminNorman
24-09-2009, 12:25 AM
They should personally apologize for every year before OSX.
I maintain, to this day, that the Platinum UI is the most usable and elegant UI that has ever existed.
Copland would have been a beautiful OS had it come out as originally planned.
adam_91vn
24-09-2009, 12:27 AM
Have a few ipods. Got nothing wrong with apple
Meh. I like their style, hate their overpriced pcs. I love
my iPhone but think their OS is a shit version of windows. So, I guess I love all their side attractlions but hate their main product.
Kotche
25-09-2009, 12:37 AM
http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg105/SCSone/help.png
Meh. I like their style, hate their overpriced pcs. I love
my iPhone but think their OS is a shit version of windows. So, I guess I love all their side attractlions but hate their main product.
You can easily tell the people posting from their iPhones because of the haphazard sentence breaks
Pauly
28-09-2009, 01:31 PM
I love them! Been a mac user for about 4 years now and have no desire to change back.
StorminNorman
28-09-2009, 07:10 PM
shit version of windows
Just to correct this, OS X is based on Unix (BSD, specifically), and has no relationship to Windows.
So, if anything, it's a shit version of Unix, not Windows.
Vindik8or
28-09-2009, 08:04 PM
It is a corporation so I am ambivalent.
Just to correct this, OS X is based on Unix (BSD, specifically), and has no relationship to Windows.
So, if anything, it's a shit version of Unix, not Windows.
It's an OS that does roughly the same thing, that was my point.
StorminNorman
29-09-2009, 01:27 PM
It, uh, doesn't.
Unix is as different to Windows as two things that are completely different to each other.
The only similarity is that they're both computer operating systems, really.
Araenel
29-09-2009, 01:51 PM
On face value, they're pretty much the same thing.
The average PC user doesn't give a shit how it operates in the background. Hell I consider myself above average in the PC stakes and I don't give a shit how an OS runs.
The only similarity is that they're both computer operating systems, really.
herpaderpadoo.
Stop being a fgt, you know exactly what I mean. I'm well aware of the fundamental differences between the 2. Everyone knows this. Nobody cares that you do.
Lazlow
29-09-2009, 02:07 PM
Hang on, just asking the 35 year old sales rep I work with if she understands the fundamental differences between a Unix based OS and Windows.
Vicious
29-09-2009, 03:46 PM
It, uh, doesn't.
Unix is as different to Windows as two things that are completely different to each other.
The only similarity is that they're both computer operating systems, really.
Funny how you will debate about this, but not the merits of the inner workings of an MP3 player because "it's an MP3 player".
Silly Norman!
StorminNorman
30-09-2009, 11:11 AM
I guess because I've been a Unix user for many years, I find it hard to see why someone would think it's the same as Windows.
When you use something as basic as Windows, though, I suppose that you would see another OS that draws a pretty GUI on the screen as being the same, despite the fact that it fundamentally isn't.
So yeah, sorry if I sounded a bit... elitist, but Windows is only an OS I've ever used because I had to, not because I wanted to. I'm genuinely not really used to how it works, and find it confusing and frustrating most of the time because it's not the kind of computer OS I'm used to.
It just irks me when people think Unix and Windows are the "same thing" because that's never been my experience at all. To me, Windows is the thing that gets in my way when I want to play World of Warcraft or TF2.
To me, Windows is the thing that gets in my way when I want to play World of Warcraft or TF2.
To me, OS X is the thing that I can't use even if I want to because I built my PC from scratch.
Vicious
30-09-2009, 01:22 PM
I'm genuinely not really used to how it works, and find it confusing and frustrating most of the time because it's not the kind of computer OS I'm used to.
What parts in particular? Is it explorer that causes you trouble, file tree, etc? For me it feels organized like a filing cabinet . . . which for me is a good thing. I'm not sure what other particular complaints you could have in terms of Windows usability.
Araenel
02-10-2009, 11:33 AM
I guess because I've been a Unix user for many years, I find it hard to see why someone would think it's the same as Windows.
When you use something as basic as Windows, though, I suppose that you would see another OS that draws a pretty GUI on the screen as being the same, despite the fact that it fundamentally isn't.
So yeah, sorry if I sounded a bit... elitist, but Windows is only an OS I've ever used because I had to, not because I wanted to. I'm genuinely not really used to how it works, and find it confusing and frustrating most of the time because it's not the kind of computer OS I'm used to.
It just irks me when people think Unix and Windows are the "same thing" because that's never been my experience at all. To me, Windows is the thing that gets in my way when I want to play World of Warcraft or TF2.
You still haven't said anything that would indicate what the fundamental differences between the two are.
Pai Mel
07-11-2009, 01:26 AM
Who has first-hand experience with the new Magic Mouse? Is it a fail product or is it actually good?
The standard Mighty Mouser shits me whenever it registers a right-click when I am actually left-clicking and vise versa.
Yeah, the current MM is the one Apple product that shits me. I feel that the aesthetics get in the way of functionality, which is a rarity for the brand, as they usually enhance it. The tortoise-shell style outer makes clicks squishy and they occasionally register on the wrong side until you get your action down. The scroll ball is useful in Photoshop, but I wish it was bigger and had more weight to it. I hate when you rest your hand on it, and it thinks you're pressing a button.
Basically, I hate this mouse. It's a shame, because the keyboard is so good.
So, yeah … Is the new one better?
Tancred89
14-11-2009, 04:31 AM
hey guys !!
i own a mac book air and currently i was think about buying the new magic mouse.
and my friend told me its really worth getting it. i do like the look of it but is it really worth getting??
does it work on windows?? coz i do bootcamp into windows sumtimes and the old one didnt work.
Pai Mel
19-11-2009, 08:00 PM
Paragon NTFS 6.5 free to download for 24 hours.
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StorminNorman
22-11-2009, 10:56 AM
does it work on windows?? coz i do bootcamp into windows sumtimes and the old one didnt work.
Bootcamp supports it, and someone was kind enough to pull the driver out of Bootcamp (http://gizmodo.com/5409942/magic-mouse-drivers-for-windows-now-available) so you can use it on a PC.
This_is_me
22-11-2009, 03:08 PM
I have an Ipod touch and Macbook, the only thing a really not likeing is the fact i had to buy 3 chargers for my macbook, style over a qauilty product. I can't fault the Os though good for everything besides gameing .
Pai Mel
22-11-2009, 10:56 PM
The Magic Mouse is alright. Been using it for a week now. It's a bit heavy at first but you get used to it after a while.
The laser tracking is a lot better. I don't have to use cardboard as a mousemat anymore. The laminate on my desk used to be problematic, but the Magic Mouse tracks movement on it just fine.
The touchpad surface is excellent in Photoshop for scrolling, but try not to adjust numerical values using it as it slows the app down trying to calculate the value.
Left-clicking or right-clicking is not annoying anymore like it was on the Mighty Mouse.
Overall, Apple hit a home run with the new mouse. I recommend it if you have $100 to burn.
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Now they need to focus on the design of their earbuds. The absolute worst in the world x infinity! What's the point of having one of the most popular portable music players when the most crucial part is megafail?!
Pauly
22-11-2009, 11:00 PM
I wish it was smaller.
Dr Skinnybones
22-11-2009, 11:14 PM
I want ti get a macbook pro and there's a chance of a refresh in the next few months maybe, does that mean the older models become significantly cheaper or do stores discontinue them straight away to be replaced with new stock? I assume apple keep releases close to their chest
StorminNorman
22-11-2009, 11:24 PM
The Macbook Pros had a pricecut the other week, at the same time the new Macbook and Magic Mouse were introduced.
There are rumours of an update for the entire line in the next few months, though it won't be as dramatic as the mid-year update was.
I'm pretty happy about the pricecut, as the Pro I want (the midrange 15" model) dropped from $3200 to $2600.
Super Mario
23-11-2009, 07:58 AM
Girls' computers.
Second
23-11-2009, 09:08 AM
I don't really care, but the users seem to be a bunch of wankers.
Dr Skinnybones
27-11-2009, 01:04 AM
what could I want an expresscard for? trying to choose between a MBP 15in & a 17in.
usb2.0 seems to have it covered, largely.
Pai Mel
27-11-2009, 01:10 AM
Apparently there is an Apple sale this Friday to celebrate Black Friday, and it's a pretty big event in Apple Land as you usually don't ever see their goods on special.
Dr Skinnybones
27-11-2009, 02:32 PM
I'm gonna bite. Just deciding between the 2.8ghz 15" & the 17".
Does an extra $300 justify the expresscard slot? I don't know what I'd use it for.
Pai Mel
27-11-2009, 03:47 PM
Well if you are a musician you may have an audio interface or DSP farm that uses the expresscard slot. You can prob. also use it to install an extra hard disk or solid-state HD. You can use it to install a card that gives you extra USB/Firewire ports or add a new type of port like USB 3.
Do a search for expresscard peripherals and see if there is a possibility of you using those devices in the future. These days most things use Firewire/USB.
On my old laptop I used the PCMCIA slot to add a Firewire buss since it didn't originally have one, and then that allowed me to hook up a handycam to capture video through Firewire.
If it was me buying I'd prob. just get the 13" Macbook Pro since it's a lot more portable and just connect it to a larger screen when at home.
Pai Mel
27-11-2009, 03:47 PM
http://scottworldblog.wordpress.com/2009/06/09/apple-bring-the-expresscard-slot-back-to-the-15-macbook-pro/
StorminNorman
27-11-2009, 04:11 PM
Honestly, if you don't have an existing investment in ExpressCard slots, then it's hardly worth worrying about.
ExpressCard is a niche feature at best, so replacing it with something people will actually use is a good idea. Especially when doing so can cut a couple of hundred dollars off the price of the computer.
Dr Skinnybones
27-11-2009, 10:54 PM
I went without. The only thing I could think I would use it for would be external storage. Firewire will suffice.
For the $3080 got the 2.8 15" MBP. Bumped the speed on the 500gb HDD to 7200rpm and got the anti-glare screen.
Now the waiting game...
Pai Mel
28-11-2009, 12:28 AM
If anyone here has bought an iMac recently and don't like the small keyboard they got with it, sell it to me. I don't need the numeric keypad and prefer a smaller desktop footprint.
Pai Mel
07-12-2009, 02:06 AM
If anyone here has bought an iMac recently and don't like the small keyboard they got with it, sell it to me. I don't need the numeric keypad and prefer a smaller desktop footprint.
Nevermind. Got one on eBay for $45.
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