NBA anyone?

[Dukotoja]

so after the great season that was 08-09 we all look forward to 09-10 which i personally cannot wait for. watched the draft tonight and with three games a week on one im glad we are finally getting coverage.

anyone else interested in NBA?

discuss here.

[Natrak]

I've been an NBA fan for a long time, I'm really looking forward to the new season to begin.

[proofreeder]

NBA anyone?

Yes! Me!

[proofreeder]

Okay, maybe my last post didn't contribute much to the thread. So here goes:

Blake Griffin is a superstar! I only saw him play once I think in college, but his game was awesome!

[Azzaman]

When is the season offically starting and who has the coverage? Is it on free to air these days?

[proofreeder]

Yup on ONE still.

[buckstwits]

may have to finally go digital

[Dukotoja]

ah yes i saw blake griffin get picked first by the L.A clippers (i think) on draft night. looked like he had his shit together.

When is the season offically starting and who has the coverage? Is it on free to air these days?

not exactly sure but soon! One is showing three games a week!

also fyi:

NBA: Greatest Games
David Robinson 1999 NBA Final: Spurs v Knicks G5
10pm – 12am One HD
Wednesday 7 October 2009

[D.C.]

They had Jordan cutting up the Jazz in an old final last week too. He looked like he was going to pass out from the flu and still hit something like forty-five.

[Natrak]

Yeah, I was quite surprised to see THE FLU GAME on One the other week, it was awesome to see again. One of my favourite Jordan games. (It was 38 points btw).

On another note.

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[Azzaman]

Just signed up for a fantasy nba league. Considering I've never followed the sport seriously and the fairly complex draft process I have nfi what b-listers I'll be getting.

Gonna be fun :D

[Natrak]

I might do the same this year, it's something I've wanted to do for ages now.

[Dukotoja]

yeah i was thinking about it as well O_O

[jawsy]

I didn't do fantasy last year but would be in for one if people wanted to organise it (that is, people other than me). Yahoo is easy and simple to use, plus it's free.

Hyper league/draft?

[Azzaman]

I'd be down for two leagues :p

[Dukotoja]

i really don't know how to work a fantasy league but ill look into it. a friend of mine suggested this:

http://games.espn.go.com/fba/welcome?ex_cid=2009_fbaxx_xxx_nba_ban_rd2

[Azzaman]

That's the one I'm playing on atm. I don't think I'm gonna make the draft tomorrow morning...

Yay underdog!

[D.C.]

The ESPN leagues are normally pretty sweet. I'd definitely be down for something like that. :)

[Azzaman]

Well I picked up lebron, fischer, odom and bogut, pretty happy with that haul

[D.C.]

Is Bogut even fit to start this season?

[jawsy]

You're listing Fisher as a fantasy pick that you're happy with?!

[D.C.]

The only good pick in that list is LeBron. Even Odom is a sixth man. :p

[Azzaman]

yeah Boguts fit, he's been playing some games and cleaning up apparently. What's wrong with Fischer? He's got good stats and last I checked he's a good player.

For critiques sake here's my list:

PG Jonny Flynn, Min PG
SG Ronnie Brewer, Uta SG
SF LeBron James, Cle SF
PF Lamar Odom, LAL SF, PF
C Mehmet Okur, Uta C
G Derek Fisher, LAL PG
F Tayshaun Prince, Det SF
UTIL Mo Williams, Cle PG
UTIL Andrew Bogut, Mil C DTD
UTIL Andrew Bynum, LAL C
Bench Kevin Martin*, Sac SG

I was happy with it, are you experts telling me I got dud picks?

[jawsy]

Dude, Fisher won't average 10p, and will most likely net around 1.0 3pt and 1.0 steal per game. I would have him ranked somewhere between 35-45 at the point guard position alone.

Also, you took too many centers (Bogut and Okur are theoretically decent picks, however) and only one PF. PG and PF is where you win fantasy leagues (assuming you're picking the right guys). You also have more than your fair share of one-dimensional players.

But then again everyone is an expert until the season actually plays out.

[Azzaman]

I really need to start watching nba games again...

[proofreeder]

Ha ha poor Azzaman. I dunno how the system works but Bogut's a good player. I'd go for Steve Nash, Dwayne Wade and Blake Griffin but I'm sure I couldn't get all those. Also, just wondering, what stats of Fischers were good? NOt trying to be smart, just curious.

[Azzaman]

Well it was more that he is consistent and plays pretty much every game (and from what I saw of him in the playoffs I thought he was pretty good). Nash, Griffin and Wade ended up being out of my price range after picking up Lebron ;)

Thought I'd swap Flynn for Williams until Flynn proves himself, though it sounds like he's doing well so far.

Is Kevin Martin injured? for some reason they're listing him as out but I can't see anything about an injury in the news.

Also turns out I don't know how to wire up a coaxial cable (or it's stuffed I guess) and so no tv for me until I can do it properly >.<

EDIT: ah shit Martin's done his ankle... woe is me. lol, I'm so green at his.

[D.C.]

Yeah, I'd suggest sticking with Mo and keeping Flynn on the bench. Can't see him putting up comparable numbers as a rookie.

[jawsy]

Well it was more that he is consistent and plays pretty much every game (and from what I saw of him in the playoffs I thought he was pretty good). Nash, Griffin and Wade ended up being out of my price range after picking up Lebron ;)

Hang on, was this one of those new fangled 'purchase players based on their value' thingy rather than a good ol' fashioned draft? I don't really understand how they work (like, can everyone buy James if they want to? Or do you still draft but now you do it with one eye on a big pile of cash?)

I'm old school when it comes to fantasy sports.

[Azzaman]

Hang on, was this one of those new fangled 'purchase players based on their value' thingy rather than a good ol' fashioned draft? I don't really understand how they work (like, can everyone buy James if they want to? Or do you still draft but now you do it with one eye on a big pile of cash?)

I'm old school when it comes to fantasy sports.

It was a draft, but once a player gets nominated it becomes an auction (I don't know if that's how things are done in the nba?). I was being a bit of a bastard and putting in quite a few fake bids ;)

You could only have each player once. My team would look very different if it was a "pick who you want" thing.

[Jabbz]

yeah Boguts fit, he's been playing some games and cleaning up apparently. What's wrong with Fischer? He's got good stats and last I checked he's a good player.

For critiques sake here's my list:

PG Jonny Flynn, Min PG
SG Ronnie Brewer, Uta SG
SF LeBron James, Cle SF
PF Lamar Odom, LAL SF, PF
C Mehmet Okur, Uta C
G Derek Fisher, LAL PG
F Tayshaun Prince, Det SF
UTIL Mo Williams, Cle PG
UTIL Andrew Bogut, Mil C DTD
UTIL Andrew Bynum, LAL C
Bench Kevin Martin*, Sac SG

I was happy with it, are you experts telling me I got dud picks?

Wow.... I played my first fantasy season last year and came 5th, which I was pretty chuffed with. This years going to be even awesomer... but just a few opinions...

Play Martinm he is a scoring and FT stud. Lebron and MO are good, and Okur is a decent Centre who contributes to multiple cats. Johnny Flyn will be good in the second half really. The rest.... they all scream MEH to me.

But, are you playing Head to head, or a Roto?

I'm looking forward to the NBA this year, first day match up of Cleveland and Boston... just.... awesome!

[Azzaman]

PG Mo Williams
SG Kevin Martin*
SF LeBron James
PF Lamar Odom
C Mehmet Okur
G Ronnie Brewer
F Tayshaun Prince
UTIL Jonny Flynn
UTIL Andrew Bogut
UTIL Andrew Bynum
Bench Derek Fisher

That's the updated list after some shuffling. As a joke I've proposed a trade to my mate in the league, Brewer for Vince Carter, In response to him trying to get me to trade Lebron :p

It's rotisserie, which I have nfi what it means....

EDIT: Yay, got the tv's antenna cable working! OneHD for me!

[D.C.]

So anyone keen on doing a Hyper fantasy league? I'd be more than willing to start it up if I knew exactly how... :p

[Dukotoja]

id be interested but im in the same boat as you

[Azzaman]

www.nba.com and hit the fantasy button in the top menu. It's only got 10 spots in a league though and I believe they are public so an open league will fill up fast.

That said I don't want to go through the whole draft process again unless it's at a more friendly time, like maybe 7:30 on a weeknight.

[Jabbz]

Don't use the NBA site, its terrible. Go with ESPN. I'll join, but I don't have alot of time on my hands, and would probably only have time for a long draft (8 or so hours per pick), as I generally work in the evenings. But, ill join I spose.

[Azzaman]

Don't use the NBA site, its terrible. Go with ESPN. I'll join, but I don't have alot of time on my hands, and would probably only have time for a long draft (8 or so hours per pick), as I generally work in the evenings. But, ill join I spose.

the nba.com one goes via espn from what I can see

[proofreeder]

U a ball fan DC? If you wanna start up a league, I'm in, but will be limited as to how much time I can put in. I'll be picking players I like, not players that will win probably :P

[D.C.]

Don't use the NBA site, its terrible. Go with ESPN. I'll join, but I don't have alot of time on my hands, and would probably only have time for a long draft (8 or so hours per pick), as I generally work in the evenings. But, ill join I spose.
With the NFL leagues over on ESPN I think you can arrange your draft preferences (or just take the site's predetermined list) without having to actually be online during the draft. I'd imagine this would be the same for the NBA leagues. I also know you can set up private leagues too, which would probably be the best idea if we can get enough people involved.

Whatever the case, if somebody is willing to set up a league (or could let me know the easiest way), I'll be more than happy to help out. :)

[Azzaman]

With the NFL leagues over on ESPN I think you can arrange your draft preferences (or just take the site's predetermined list) without having to actually be online during the draft. I'd imagine this would be the same for the NBA leagues. I also know you can set up private leagues too, which would probably be the best idea if we can get enough people involved.

Whatever the case, if somebody is willing to set up a league (or could let me know the easiest way), I'll be more than happy to help out. :)

One person in our league did this and she paid through the nose for mostly average players. Got 6 of her picks at the end for a minimum bids.

[Jabbz]

Exactly, its a bad move to auto draft, because its hard to get positions. I'll make a 10 team league now, and edit in the link soon.

Oddly enough, I have to invite owners. So..

THE FIRST 10 OWNERS WHO WANT IN, PM ME! I leave for work in an hour and a half, but will invite tomorrow or whenever.

Draft is tentatively set for sunday, let me know if its too early or not. If there are any settings you want changed, let me know.

[Dukotoja]

NBA: Greatest Games
Michael Jordan 1989 Final: Bulls v Cavaliers Game 5
10pm – 12am One Digital
Wednesday 14 October 2009

[Azzaman]

NBA: Greatest Games
Michael Jordan 1989 Final: Bulls v Cavaliers Game 5
10pm – 12am One Digital
Wednesday 14 October 2009

So I'm guessing none of the pre-season games are being televised? tbh I'd rather watch them. Not that I'm complaining, I'll prob watch Jordan strut his stuff...

[proofreeder]

Thanks Duko, I might watch that when I get home from indoor soccer. Spoiler, not that it's probably needed but U never know...

I'm assuming that's the "gatorade" game when jordan jumps into the air maniacally, flykicking poor, downtrodden Craig Ehlo in the process ha ha ha. Poor Ehlo.

Someday I'll figure out how to do spolier tags.

Do you have to be there on Sunday for the draft? I won't be home that day. Also, I'll get killed in the draft cause I'm still living in like, 2002 ball-wise :D

[D.C.]

So I'm guessing none of the pre-season games are being televised? tbh I'd rather watch them. Not that I'm complaining, I'll prob watch Jordan strut his stuff...
Nearly all of the pre-season games that have been on ESPN thus far have been terrible. You're not missing much. ;)

Do you have to be there on Sunday for the draft? I won't be home that day.
I'm assuming Jabbz is going with an ESPN league that, like I mentioned before, means you should be able to set up your preferred players beforehand. It might be different for that weird auction system mode (seems to make things more complicated than necessary), but otherwise you just choose the players you want in order and the league automatically picks the player on top of your list that hasn't been drafted yet. Just make sure you compile an order that spreads you across all positions.

[Azzaman]

Nearly all of the pre-season games that have been on ESPN thus far have been terrible. You're not missing much. ;)

ummm, yay? :p

I'm assuming Jabbz is going with an ESPN league that, like I mentioned before, means you should be able to set up your preferred players beforehand. It might be different for that weird auction system mode (seems to make things more complicated than necessary), but otherwise you just choose the players you want in order and the league automatically picks the player on top of your list that hasn't been drafted yet. Just make sure you compile an order that spreads you across all positions.

Yeah, a non-auction system would be best, just straight draft picks plz. I guess that means people can get some awesome players first up without challenge, but I don't want to be tied to my comp for another 2 hrs while my wife gets cranky at me for ignoring her and my son ;)

[Jabbz]

OK, sorry about my lack of thinking, its hard to with the hours I'm doing lately - brain fuzz. I need email addresses so that I can send invites out, as I cant send out links for some reason.

As for the draft, I figured I'd make it a automatic pick system, even though I hate it its probably going to be the easiest to organise as we have different schedules (like me working nights and sleeping in!). It's through ESPN, but not the auction.

As for trades, there is a 48 hour waiver period where if the trade is dodgy if there are enough votes (5/10) it can be vetoed. Uhhh, its a head to head league (I've found that the most fun over time)

So, I need email addresses, not just a pm, sorry for the confusion...

[jawsy]

Yeah, I would say ditch the auction system. Waste of time and only a reflection of bean counting, not fantasy basketball skill.

[Lazlow]

I don't watch a lot of BBall, but I caught bits of last nights classic game, and I was surprised at how skinny everyone was... Pippen looked like a damn Kenyan marathon runner.

Its either today's game clothing or BBallers these days are packing on a lot more muscle.

[Natrak]

Note: Jordan doesn't actually kick Ehlo during his celebration.

[proofreeder]

Yeah I know lol, but it was that game right? I've only seen the first half. If I remember rightly, Ehlo dives out the way like a grenade was going off ha ha.

Ballers pack heaps of muscle nowadays, yep. That's the evolution of the game.

[Dukotoja]

the guy i watched the 1988 match with last night mentioned how skinny all the players where in comparison to the lakers/magic playoffs he watched with me at the end of the season as well!

[Natrak]

Man, I hope Serge Ibaka gets some minutes this season. Dude is crazy athletic. (I only just realised he was joining the Thunder this season, I figured he was at least one more season away).

[Azzaman]

Is this league happening still?

[Jabbz]

Yup, sending invites out... Still have 5 more spaces if anyone wants in.

[Dukotoja]

oi why the **** am i in division 2!

[Jabbz]

oi why the **** am i in division 2!

Because you smell!

.... Top 2 from each division goes into the playoffs.

[Dukotoja]

my mate town planner forgot to give you his email address, he should be doing this now. pls add him to the league when he does! thanks!

[dj-tinklez]

If there's a live draft, I'd like to join!

Did a live draft last night (Yahoo! Fantasy Sports), here's how I did:

1. (12) Brandon Roy / PG,SG
2. (13) Deron Williams / PG
3. (36) Rashard Lewis / SF,PF
4. (37) Elton Brand / PF,C
5. (60) Nene Hilario / PF,C
6. (61) Hedo Turkoglu / SG,SF
7. (84) Eric Gordon / SG
8. (85) Jeff Green / SF,PF
9. (108) Tyson Chandler / C
10. (109) Trevor Ariza / SF
11. (132) Rodney Stuckey / PG,SG
12. (133) Aaron Brooks / PG
13. (156) Brendan Haywood / C

Unfortunately had the 12th pick (out of 12 players), but it did give me back-to-back picks. And twice during the draft, the system auto-picked for me because my connection dropped, drafting Gordon and Green back-to-back when I really wanted a C and had the likes of Biedrens and Bogut still on the board and again in the 2nd last round drafting Aaron Brooks.

Still pretty happy with my team. Roy is an underrated stud, Ariza and Brooks I reckon will be solid with T-Wack and Yao out of action and Green is a Marion-lite. Fingers crossed Brand will make it out of the regular season alive.

[townplanner]

I'm somebodies bitch...

[Jabbz]

Its currently not a live draft, but people might want that changed. Personally I like live draft, but its really hard to arrange people at once for the draft! Join anyways, its more of a challenge coming up with a surprise team. And, its a keeper league so you can work on next year.

[dj-tinklez]

Aight, I'm in!

[Jabbz]

Invites sent, 3 spots (maybe 4) left. Time to get ready for work, will do the next batch tomorrow morning.

[jawsy]

I haven't had a chance to accept yet (at work and whatnot), but what time are we down to draft? I play on Sunday nights so I sure hope it doesn't conflict!

[proofreeder]

Shit, man, I don't even know most of those players but I'll give it a go :) I'll send U my email.

[Azzaman]

My wife's awesome:

"You're doing ANOTHER fantasy league?" *Groan + rolls eyes*

[jawsy]

Alright, signed up. What time are we drafting? Monday 5am? I'm assuming that's based on US time, so it actually puts us at about 8pm Monday night, right?

Right?

[dj-tinklez]

There is no draft at this stage. It's set to randomly assign us players based on player rankings. I'd prefer to do a draft, but as Jabbz mentioned at the top of this page, it's hard to arrange a time that's convenient for everyone. 8pm Monday night would actually be a perfect time for me *wink* *wink*

Speaking of which I've got another draft tonight at midnight! =)

[D.C.]

No draft takes a lot of the fun out of it. :( I reckon it's worth trying to organise a time.

@ dj-tinklez - That's a pretty sweet line-up you got there. Williams will probably be an all-star this season, Roy is an absolute stud, and having Turk and Lewis holding down the forward posts means lots of scoring.

[jawsy]

Sorry, I kind of skimmed over the last few pages. And yeah, we totally need to do a draft. That's where half the fun comes from. 8pm Monday would work wonders for me.

[dj-tinklez]

Yeah, drafting is about 75% of the fun for me. :P

Thanks DC. Pretty content to stick with my lineup until the season starts, but I do think I'm short on big men and might suffer in the boards and blocks cats especially if Brand and Chandler can't stay healthy. Stuckey is a steal at pick 132 I reckon and along with Green, I'm predicting (hoping) both will have breakout seasons.

This next draft tonight, I'll be after a stat stuffing PF/C with either my 1st or 2nd round picks, because there's definitely a lack of solid big men available come the 4th round or so.

Edit:

Onto actual NBA discussion: Who does everyone here follow and who do you think will win this season? I'm a Kobe fan so I follow the Lakers, but as a kid I was a massive Jordan/Bulls like everyone else. Derrick Rose made my heart swoon last season especially in the playoffs against the Celtics.

My predictions:
Final - Lakers/Cavs (Lakers in 6)
MVP - Chris Paul (from LeBron and Wade)

Surprise packets - Wizards in the East and Thunder to improve in the West (but still miss the playoffs)
Busts - Celtics won't make it out of the first round

[Natrak]

I don't think Green'll have a breakout season, I'd say he'll pretty much put up similar numbers to last season. He should establish himself as one of the league's better jack-of-all-trades type forwards, though.

[dj-tinklez]

He was 16.5PPG/45%FG/1.3 3PT/6.7RB/2AST/1STL last season. I'd settle for similar stats but I'd like to think there's room to improve in his third season.

[D.C.]

Busts - Celtics won't make it out of the first round
It'll be interesting to see how Boston plays this season. They always had the Garnett fall-back excuse for not going further in the playoffs last year, but they probably only have a couple of years before that championship window expires for awhile.

Personally, I can't stand them and hope they don't even make the playoffs. :p Pierce is a weasel and Rondo the dirtiest little punk playing in the league.

[dj-tinklez]

They'll need their big 4 (Garnett/Pierce/Allen/Rondo) to stay healthy the entire post season to have any chance but they're too old and brittle to make a run at another championship in my opinion.

And yeah, I can't stand them either along with the Cavs. I was always a fan of Garnett when he was with Minnesota because he carried the entire team on his shoulders and he played with a lot of heart. Now I just want to punch him in the face along with the rest of the team (except maybe Ray Allen).

[Azzaman]

in terms of times available, for me nights are better after 7pm but Monday's are off the board (sorry Jawsy ;)) I play bball those nights. Tuesday night?

[Dukotoja]

I think a draft is a good idea as well. makes things much more interesting! 8pm monday is goot

[Jabbz]

Yeah, drafting is about 75% of the fun for me. :P

Thanks DC. Pretty content to stick with my lineup until the season starts, but I do think I'm short on big men and might suffer in the boards and blocks cats especially if Brand and Chandler can't stay healthy. Stuckey is a steal at pick 132 I reckon and along with Green, I'm predicting (hoping) both will have breakout seasons.

This next draft tonight, I'll be after a stat stuffing PF/C with either my 1st or 2nd round picks, because there's definitely a lack of solid big men available come the 4th round or so.

Edit:

Onto actual NBA discussion: Who does everyone here follow and who do you think will win this season? I'm a Kobe fan so I follow the Lakers, but as a kid I was a massive Jordan/Bulls like everyone else. Derrick Rose made my heart swoon last season especially in the playoffs against the Celtics.

My predictions:
Final - Lakers/Cavs (Lakers in 6)
MVP - Chris Paul (from LeBron and Wade)

Surprise packets - Wizards in the East and Thunder to improve in the West (but still miss the playoffs)
Busts - Celtics won't make it out of the first round

Brand and Chandler? Are you like, TRYING to pick every broken down big man? I hate the lakers, and Kobe with a passion. In fact, the only player I liked was ariza, and hes gone... Artest is in so even more reason to hate them. I don't follow any team really, but love watching the run and gun teams (Phoenix and New York) I love seeing teams forget how to play defence, though it sucks for fantasy sometimes.

Lebron will take MVP, unless he gets injured and misses 10 games. No one else will come close, and the cavs WILL win this year dammit!

No draft takes a lot of the fun out of it. :( I reckon it's worth trying to organise a time.

Sorry, I kind of skimmed over the last few pages. And yeah, we totally need to do a draft. That's where half the fun comes from. 8pm Monday would work wonders for me.

Yeah, pick a time when and I'll see. Though I start work at 3.45AM this week... I'm gonna be sleeeeeepy so make sure its a snappy one! :p Tell me a time, and I'll try and arrange it. I can make it so we have 2 mins per pick if you wish. But, my thinking is that its more of a challenge making a good team with random players, that and we have about a week and a half till the season starts, so we can do trades etc too! The last league vetoed every trade but one last year, they don't believe in it, which sucks.

It'll be interesting to see how Boston plays this season. They always had the Garnett fall-back excuse for not going further in the playoffs last year, but they probably only have a couple of years before that championship window expires for awhile.

Personally, I can't stand them and hope they don't even make the playoffs. :p Pierce is a weasel and Rondo the dirtiest little punk playing in the league.

Rondo may be a douche on the court, but he is a fantasy stud. Anyone drafts him and I'll have to hurt you! Boston will make the playoffs (last year before one of the big 3 get majorly injured and retire) but this is their last season I think as a contender.

[jawsy]

Tuesday at 7 would also be a decent draft time for me, but I can't do the rest of the week after that (away on a school camp that has been the bane of my existence since the holidays).

[D.C.]

Rondo may be a douche on the court, but he is a fantasy stud. Anyone drafts him and I'll have to hurt you! Boston will make the playoffs (last year before one of the big 3 get majorly injured and retire) but this is their last season I think as a contender.
I think the fact that the team has big problems with his ego (considering they are already packed with a bunch of egomaniacs) speaks volumes. But yeah, when he's not being a little bitch, he's a good PG. If he had the ability to shoot, he could be great.

Cheers for adding the draft. Having trades is great too, but picking favs and nabbing potential 'steals' is one of the joys in a fantasy league. ;)

[proofreeder]

Shit, I'm going to be like one of those year 5 kids all the year 7 kids rip off in basketball trades ha ha. What happens if you miss the draft?

Edit: Okay, sorry, I've decided not to do this this season so please give someone my spot if they want it. Hope everyone has fun!

[Jabbz]

Shit, I'm going to be like one of those year 5 kids all the year 7 kids rip off in basketball trades ha ha. What happens if you miss the draft?

Edit: Okay, sorry, I've decided not to do this this season so please give someone my spot if they want it. Hope everyone has fun!

No! Stay!

Uhh, if you miss the draft you can pre set the list to draft according to your rankings on the site, and it just takes the highest picks. If there are dodgy trades, it takes 5 votes to veto them within 48 hours.

Personally, I dont want to draft as I want to be sleeping at that time. But, well see. If we can arrange everyone on ill do it I spose.

Edit: 2 spots left, 4 if Proofy backs out, I have one invite still pending on somone deciding but he knows that hell lose his spot if its full. So.... Come on! If we dont have teams by the draft, I'll have to push the time back.

[proofreeder]

Do you know when the draft is going to be yet Jabbz? Also, do you need to fill it up completely before you can start?

[Azzaman]

If we can't get a hyper guy on it I'm sure one of my irl friends will be keen.

Also 7 Tuesday for you guys I think is 6:30 for me, so that wont work that well for me as I'd miss the most important part of the draft. can we make it 7:30 eastern time?

[Jabbz]

Warning - the time is set for US Time.... The concensus is that I'm unsure what everyone wants.... It seems MOn or Tues night, sometime between 7-8 PM Start time...

IF the slots arent filled it wont draft.

Once more, for organisational ease, and challenge throughout the year, I'm happy to do a list.

[Azzaman]

Warning - the time is set for US Time.... The concensus is that I'm unsure what everyone wants.... It seems MOn or Tues night, sometime between 7-8 PM Start time...

IF the slots arent filled it wont draft.

Once more, for organisational ease, and challenge throughout the year, I'm happy to do a list.

Well I'm not fussed about doing a draft, I figure if you got a bunch of top pg's or something you can trade with someone who's got a bunch of centers.

[D.C.]

And just to reiterate what Jabbz mentioned, you don't have to be on at the specific time of the draft in order to participate in the league. Just go with ESPN's auto rankings or manually arrange them prior to and you're still destined to get a decent list.

[Azzaman]

Oh btw, from my calculations to make the draft 7:00 tuesday night (EST) you need to set the time as Tuesday, 20 October 2009, 05:00am (ET - ie New York)

[Jabbz]

Changed, thats assuming that we have enough people.

8am, 20 October is the closest I can get..... Thats.... 10pm..... And ill be sleeping then for sure. Lets all do a list!! :D

Any more hyperoonians? If not, I'll have to find other humans who want to play.

[proofreeder]

Hey Jabbz, count me out for now sorry, but if you can't find anyone else and need the numbers, PM me and I'll give it a go.

[Jabbz]

Ok proof, I sent you a PM. Yours is the only spot left.

If anyone else wants in, as proof wants out, do so! Draft is in just over 2 days...

Should we go back to a list? Yes or no? Any other changes you want made?

[D.C.]

Nice work Jabbz. ;)

[proofreeder]

Got your PM Jabbz. If no one takes my spot the morning of the draft, I'll give it a go. I'll log in then if that's okay?

[Azzaman]

Draft night tonight guys, we all sorted our cheat sheets?


(I haven't)

[Dukotoja]

i certainly have, i know you guys are going to think I'm an idiot but its just gross inexperience!

good luck guys!

(we should sort out a prize for the winner... i think i have some play-asia coupons sitting around here..)

Dear Fantasy Basketball Team Owner,

This is a reminder that your Hyper Live Draft is scheduled for October 20 at 8:00 AM ET, but your league is not yet full.

League Name: Hyper
http://games.espn.go.com/fba/leagueoffice?leagueId=77758

Be aware that if all team owners don't join at least one hour before the scheduled time, your draft will not be held and you will have to reschedule for another time.

oh noes!

[Jabbz]

Yeah, if proofy isn't in ill find a fallback guy quickly. Proofy! Get a move on!

Edit 1: Fallback guy secured, he has joined apparantly but Ive made it a 2 manager team, so if Proofy decides he wants in, hes happy to step down.

Edit 2. I got up at 3.45, nap time! Draft is at 10 (my calculations) and the draft order will be picked at 9 at random. So..... Lets get it on!!!!!

[Azzaman]

I'll prob join for the opening few rounds of the draft and duck out as it gets later. I just wanna set up a good backbone for my team at least. Plus I'm damn tired and want to get to sleep now

[proofreeder]

Ah, sorry Jabbz, was leaving it late. Was going to join so it wouldn't be halted but if it's still going ahead then I'd probably prefer to sit it out for time and complete lack of current NBA knowledge reasons, sorry to mess you round Jabbz. Hope everyone has fun! :)

[jawsy]

10 might be too late for me. I have a three day camp starting tomorrow that I am head honcho for, so sleep is a priority. 60+ students pretty much ensures I won't be getting much in the next few days.

See how I go.

[Jabbz]

Ugh, I just calculated that the draft will start at 11.... trying to find an earlier draft time.... And I cant. So I guess I'll be on auto pick.

[Azzaman]

That really sucks, wonder why they tie it to certain times?

[Dukotoja]

holy crap i have no idea what im doing

[D.C.]

Good draft guys. I'd imagine all of us managed to get a pretty good list out of it (although Odom went crazy-high and I saw rookies like Curry and Griffin also going way too early :p).

[townplanner]

odom did go oddly high, didn't he. and griffin, curry? i think there's some franchise owners getting a bit excited by youtube clips of rookies...

[Dukotoja]

like i said i got no idea, laugh it up boys

[Azzaman]

I set myself as auto-pick after round 3 or 4 last night and went to bed. Had a look this morning what I got, not really keen on my auto-picks, but I'll need to do more investigation of them. Anyone up for trades?

EDIT: Awesome, there's a smack talk board for every "game" we play against each other!

EDIT2: Who was the Winners? You cleaned up.

[proofreeder]

lol Duko... Don't worry buddy, Griffin's a stud if it was you who drafted him. Just might take him a little adjustment period.

[Jabbz]

I slept through the whole thing, looking at it now, I might be doing ok. Always up for trades though!

Wow, do I need some big men!

Edit: I have started proposing trades. If anyone thinks any trades are unfair, it takes 5 votes in 48 hous to veto it. On the home page you will find a message somewhere near the top right of the screen. If anyone has a good big man and wants to get rid of them (ideally C, or PF/C), propose!

[dj-tinklez]

Had work at 5am so I slept through the live draft too... but unlike you Jabbz, I'm stocked up on C's! Bosh, Gasol, Biedrins, Lee and Brand -- how the hell did I land them in the same draft?!

Not bad, I can definitely run with this team, but it does need some tinkering especially in the backcourt (PG/SG). I could really do with some assists and a high scoring shooting guard (though I do have a soft spot for Stepehen JAAAAAXXXXX Jackson).

[Jabbz]

Had work at 5am so I slept through the live draft too... but unlike you Jabbz, I'm stocked up on C's! Bosh, Gasol, Biedrins, Lee and Brand -- how the hell did I land them in the same draft?!

Not bad, I can definitely run with this team, but it does need some tinkering especially in the backcourt (PG/SG). I could really do with some assists and a high scoring shooting guard (though I do have a soft spot for Stepehen JAAAAAXXXXX Jackson).

Of Golden state? He of the one who is about to get banned again for more comments against his team? Heh!

Propose trades!!! Does everyone know how?

[dj-tinklez]

Biedrins/Ford for Nelson/Terry?

When do players become free agents? There some nice players available, but I want to keep my number 1 waiver order.

[NiB]

Less tha 1 week til the season tips off and I can't wait....

This is the year that Kevin Durant makes the leap, within 2 years he will be the most unstoppable offensive force in the NBA

[dj-tinklez]

Yeah, I had my doubts after his rookie season, but he had an awesome season last year. He should be an All-Star this year and he'll lead the Son-... err, Thunder close to a playoffs push this season. They've got an awesome core of young players (Durant/Green/Westbrook/Harden) that rivals Portland (Roy/Oden/Aldridge). They just need a good starting centre and a solid bench before they can mix it with the big boys.

[Natrak]

Another nice thing about the Thunder is they have such an intriguing roster with Ibaka, The Shawn Livingston Project and Thabo Sefalosha on the bench.

[Dukotoja]

1997 Western Conference Final: Jazz v Rockets Game 6
10pm – 12am One HD
Wednesday 21 October 2009

sorry a little late with this one, its a great game already!

[Azzaman]

Not NBA, but the 36ers just lost in a 20 pt swing to the Tigers *grumble grumble*

The imports we have need to share the rock more.

[proofreeder]

Ah sh*t that's on now, thanks!

Edit: Aww time difference, last quarter already :(

[D.C.]

This is the year that Kevin Durant makes the leap, within 2 years he will be the most unstoppable offensive force in the NBA
I have Durant starting alongside Billups and Pierce, with T. Parker as a secondary G in my fantasy team. ;)

[Jabbz]

Biedrins/Ford for Nelson/Terry?

When do players become free agents? There some nice players available, but I want to keep my number 1 waiver order.

You can get players now off the waiver wire.. I think its 2 days, or maybe 1 if another team drops them from when they become FA.

Less tha 1 week til the season tips off and I can't wait....

This is the year that Kevin Durant makes the leap, within 2 years he will be the most unstoppable offensive force in the NBA

Another nice thing about the Thunder is they have such an intriguing roster with Ibaka, The Shawn Livingston Project and Thabo Sefalosha on the bench.


Thabo is going to be interesting. I don't like durant just yet, he hasn't convinced me. Put him on a better team, where he can be the focal point, where he can actually take a team to the playoffs (Thunder wont make it, no way) and then we'll see how he deals with the pressure.

[Azzaman]

what have I done? WHAT HAVE I DONE??

[D.C.]

what have I done? WHAT HAVE I DONE??
Don't tell me you were the one who traded Granger and co. for old washed-up Nash... :p

[Azzaman]

veto, VETO!!!!!

It is amusing that I can veto my own trade

[proofreeder]

lol...

[Jabbz]

It takes 5 votes. If you want to cancel it, just cancel it from your 'My Team' Section.

I love Granger though :(

I vetoed the trade, only just saw the message board post you made. You made me sad, I was about to get Granger :(

[Azzaman]

lol, I can cancel it? I couldn't see where.

Anyways, don't take this as me not wanting to trade at all. Just hands off my good players ;)

I'll be happy to get rid of Noah or Bargnani for a decent SG or PF, or even a standout PG

[Azzaman]

I don't know if I can trade Salmons. He's just too good for team morale

[D.C.]

Jabbz: I certainly wasn't going to veto the trade (people are old enough to trade how they want :p), but the other players involved outside of Granger and Nash seemed a bit out of whack.

[Jabbz]

I know, I would have kept it going but Azza wanted out. Thats fair really. I'd love for it ot continue. SO..

SOMEONE TRADE ME A GOOD SF! :D

[VanAce]

I've decided to follow the NBA this year but instead of going with one of the bandwagon teams (Lakers, Bulls etc) I would choose one at random by closing my eyes and picking one. So from now on I go for the Cleveland Cavaliers.

[proofreeder]

Welcome aboard the LeBron James bandwagon...

[VanAce]

I had no idea what team he played for. I essentially closed my eyes and scrolled up and down the wikipedia page for the NBA until it landed on a team.

Also I don't know if this has been posted yet but this is the list of every game that is going to be on Australian TV http://www.nba.com/schedules/international_nba_tv_schedule.html

[Natrak]

Well, it's happened already, the Clippers curse has struck Blake Griffin with a fractured patella and he could miss 6 weeks. Poor dude.

[D.C.]

Thanks for that list - very handy given how Ten/One love to **** around with the live tv guide.

Cavs/Celtics should be a cracker opening game tomorrow. The Shaq/'Bron pre-game pre-game theatrics should be worth watching alone. :p

Well, it's happened already, the Clippers curse has struck Blake Griffin with a fractured patella and he could miss 6 weeks. Poor dude.
All the more ironic for the team given how they've been bragging for months about finally taking the 'sure thing'. No doubt he'll bounce back and still have a decent rookie season, but this is definitely the only kind of thing that could possibly happen to the Clippers.

[Natrak]

At least he didn't pull an Oden.

[proofreeder]

Yo VanAce! Was only joking around, wasn't accusing you of a diabolical scheme. Just funny that you chose the Cavs with Lebron... I'm a bit out of touch but I assume they're a massive bandwagon team.

And Blake Griffin will be fine, minor setback. He's awesome!

[VanAce]

Today's results

Boston Celtics at Cleveland Cavaliers - 28/10/2009
Cleveland Cavaliers 89
Boston Celtics 95
Houston Rockets at Portland Trail Blazers - 28/10/2009
Houston Rockets 87
Portland Trail Blazers 96
L A Clippers at L A Lakers - 28/10/2009
L A Clippers 92
L A Lakers 99
Washington Wizards at Dallas Mavericks - 28/10/2009
Dallas Mavericks 91
Washington Wizards 102

[Azzaman]

lol my other team did pretty well today, but the Azza men didn't do that great ;)

[Dukotoja]

hey vanace

**** YOU

i haven't seen the games yet as im a normal person and don't watch nba in the mornings. if your going to post results put it ****ing spoiler tags. god damn.

[adam_91vn]

James blocks were unreal.

Watching the games live at work ftw

[D.C.]

James blocks were unreal.
Especially the one on Rondo. ;)

Too bad the Cavs already look weaker compared to Boston, Orlando, and LA though. I think the Shaq experiment will work in terms of getting better numbers in the paint, but clearly they need another very good 'utility' forward that has size and can shoot well to be a serious contender. Parker and Moon definitely don't fit into that category.

I actually think the Magic got the biggest boost in the off-season out of all (even if it meant had to give off Lee as part of the trade) - Carter is going to be a difference-maker and put up crazy numbers for them.

[Azzaman]

Dammit, Iverson's out and I didn't notice :(
Too busy keeping an eye on my other team

[dj-tinklez]

I actually think the Magic got the biggest boost in the off-season out of all (even if it meant had to give off Lee as part of the trade) - Carter is going to be a difference-maker and put up crazy numbers for them.

Not only that, they got to keep Gortat, who is perhaps the best backup centre in the NBA (to the best starting centre in the NBA mind you) and signed an excellent role player in Brendon Bass from the Mavs. And they've got a healthy Jameer Nelson back. I think they're a lock for another Finals showdown with the Lakers.


Picked up Gallinari who rained 7 from downtown today for the Knicks. Don't expect this day-in/day-out from him, but he'll get plenty of minutes in Coach Pringles system. Dropped Jarret Jack for him, meaning I'm pretty much going to forget about assists in this league.

[Jabbz]

Dammit, Iverson's out and I didn't notice :(
Too busy keeping an eye on my other team

He's been out for about a month now! :p

Not only that, they got to keep Gortat, who is perhaps the best backup centre in the NBA (to the best starting centre in the NBA mind you) and signed an excellent role player in Brendon Bass from the Mavs. And they've got a healthy Jameer Nelson back. I think they're a lock for another Finals showdown with the Lakers.


Picked up Gallinari who rained 7 from downtown today for the Knicks. Don't expect this day-in/day-out from him, but he'll get plenty of minutes in Coach Pringles system. Dropped Jarret Jack for him, meaning I'm pretty much going to forget about assists in this league.

Yeah, the Magic look good. Champs, I'm unsure. I know Cleveland have lost 2 already, but I think they can go through, and Boston, if they stay fit (a BIG if) will be hard to pass.

I'm hoping ANYONE can beat the lakers..... ANYONE!

[D.C.]

I'm hoping ANYONE can beat the lakers..... ANYONE!
I think almost everyone is hoping for that. ;)

[jawsy]

Holy hell we (Orlando) looked good today, even if it was against shoddy opposition. Ryan Anderson did a better Rashard Lewis impersonation than Rashard Lewis. Carter looked good. Barnes and Bass were brilliant pickups for the second unit. Even Jason freaking Williams brought it.

Much better than dropping an opener to Memphis.

[dj-tinklez]

I'm hoping ANYONE can beat the lakers..... ANYONE!

I think almost everyone is hoping for that. ;)

:(

Bulls vs Spurs tomorrow on One HD. Hopefully Rose suits up. I love watching him play!
Quick question for those with Foxtel: How many live exclusive games do they televise a week? I'm contemplating on getting it mainly for NBA and EPL.

[D.C.]

Bulls vs Spurs tomorrow on One HD. Hopefully Rose suits up. I love watching him play!
Made all the more better now that the Spurs are going to be serious contenders again. Should be a great game, plus Portland/Denver is on straight after, which could be arguably better. Roy, Roy, ROY! :D

Quick question for those with Foxtel: How many live exclusive games do they televise a week? I'm contemplating on getting it mainly for NBA and EPL.
Don't bother. They've cut it down to generally two games per week and the quality is bogus (unless you pay an extra $10 per month or more on top of the $60-100 package for the IQ+2 box that broadcasts a grand three channels or less in HD).

[NiB]

I had no idea what team he played for. I essentially closed my eyes and scrolled up and down the wikipedia page for the NBA until it landed on a team.

Also I don't know if this has been posted yet but this is the list of every game that is going to be on Australian TV http://www.nba.com/schedules/international_nba_tv_schedule.html

Only 1 Thunder game on TV for the whole season......****!


Also, Durant starts with a nice 29pt double double, he'll win the scoring title this year. Wish I could bet on that....

[Azzaman]

He's been out for about a month now! :p

Yeah, but he was listed as "possible to play" and I didn't keep my eye on the news report that turned that into a "definitely out".

[Jabbz]

Yeah, but he was listed as "possible to play" and I didn't keep my eye on the news report that turned that into a "definitely out".

Don't feel bad. In my other league, I didn't play Granger, as every report I read stated that he would not play. He played, got 31 points 5 rebs, a few assists, blocks and steals and lots of 3's. Luckily, I'm still flogging my opponent! :D

Yes, a day off today and plenty of bball to watch!!

[Azzaman]

the Azza men are actually doing better then I thought they would. beating Kumar in most categories and I have some more top players on the court today.

My other team though went really well, having both Odom and Bynum paid off with Gasol out - I'm sure that'll change once he's back. Williams had a few quiet games though.

[dj-tinklez]

Yes TNT coverage!!! I love Charles Barkley and their halftime show!!!

Don't bother. They've cut it down to generally two games per week and the quality is bogus (unless you pay an extra $10 per month or more on top of the $60-100 package for the IQ+2 box that broadcasts a grand three channels or less in HD).

That blows. I remember a few years ago they were playing at least 5 live games a week.

[Azzaman]

Yes TNT coverage!!! I love Charles Barkley and their halftime show!!!

What's up with the flowers?

[Jabbz]

Congrats to week 1 winners! Azza Men, The Winners, Team Townsend, Can Can and Jabbys Janiters.

If I can be bothered, I'll make a weekly trophy....

[proofreeder]

Hello hoop fans. Nice to see this thread is alive and kicking. Congrats Jabbz and azzaman and the other winners. What's DC's team called, did he win? Wish I was in it but I think I made the right choice lol, otherwise I'd be obsessed with ball atm :P

[Jabbz]

I can make a spot for you, no probs! Or, make you half owner. Can Can (a friend of mine) really doesn't care about it and was being nice, filling in a spot for me! :p

[D.C.]

I lost. But jawsy (at least I think it was him) was a worthy foe.

[Azzaman]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4618253

lmao, I think his secret identity's out!

[Dukotoja]

NBA
Chicago V Milwaukee
10.30pm – 12.30am One HD
Wednesday 4 November 2009

oh boy oh boy oh boy!

[jawsy]

Looking at today's schedule there is not one less appealing game than that one. Shit choice.

[dj-tinklez]

Argh, what's with the 4:3 aspect ratio?! Anyways, Rose vs Jennings will be an interesting match up.

[Jabbz]

Argh, what's with the 4:3 aspect ratio?! Anyways, Rose vs Jennings will be an interesting match up.

The ratio is from the states apparantly (thanks to my bro in law who works there) and not much can be done.

Jennings.... interesting, but not that good in my eyes. Not yet anyway.

Man, I love watching Rose play.

[D.C.]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4618253

lmao, I think his secret identity's out!
Did you catch PETA's reaction? It was almost funnier than the actual incident (they took gossip as fact that the bat was killed and then basically proceeded to compare Manu to Michael Vick - aka the NFL player who was heavily involved in dog-fighting).

Looking at today's schedule there is not one less appealing game than that one. Shit choice.
You can bet Channel 10/1's reasoning was simply because Bogut was playing. Let's put on the game with the token Australian because it'll draw so much better than a decent game!

The ratio is from the states apparantly (thanks to my bro in law who works there) and not much can be done.

Jennings.... interesting, but not that good in my eyes. Not yet anyway.

Man, I love watching Rose play.
I'm pretty sure it was a Wisconsin reception, which is probably why it was so poor. Bit weird, considering that the game was played in Chicago and no doubt would have been aired locally there in HD.

I was surprised at how well Jennings has played thus far to be honest. Thought he was a reach in the draft and was going to struggle big-time, particularly given how much work he still has to do on his shooting. He's lighting fast and really outplayed Rose in the game - too bad he gives off such a bad vibe with his big-mouth and attitude.

[Azzaman]

Did you catch PETA's reaction? It was almost funnier than the actual incident (they took gossip as fact that the bat was killed and then basically proceeded to compare Manu to Michael Vick - aka the NFL player who was heavily involved in dog-fighting).

Wow, just wow. How dumb can some people be?

[Jabbz]

I was surprised at how well Jennings has played thus far to be honest. Thought he was a reach in the draft and was going to struggle big-time, particularly given how much work he still has to do on his shooting. He's lighting fast and really outplayed Rose in the game - too bad he gives off such a bad vibe with his big-mouth and attitude.

I agree, my impression indeed changed after that game. He played really well!

[NiB]

One day, one day we'll beat the Lakers !

Damn you and your OT antics Black mamba

[Natrak]

It's early days yet, but Jennings' start doesn't particularly surprise me (beyond Skiles being willing to play him so much after constantly jerking around Sessions last season - although I'd say his time playing defense in europe probably helps). The kid's looked very special since high school and playing in Europe was always going to skew his numbers, if he had have been able to get into college I'd say he would have been widely considered a sure thing for the top 10, if not the top 5. I daresay Jennings worked harder both in game and during team practices than almost anyone playing in college that year (aside from Blake Griffin, who has an absolutely astounding work ethic).

I think it was ridiculous that anyone considered him a reach where the Bucks picked him, but I guess that's what happens when you pay attention to prospects in the space between the end of the NBA finals and draft day and regurgitate Jay Bilas style opinions.

As for his attitude, the kid's got some swagger and a shitload of confidence, that doesn't particularly bother me (particularly since it's also just a part of where he's from), he's just had some problems learning how to deal with presenting himself publicly. I'm sure he'll adjust and start delivering fake nice guy crap like everyone else soon enough.

It's obviously not yet time to commit to Jennings as a star or anything (particularly since he's playing on a practically perennial lottery team in the east), but he has unquestionable talent and potential. He's either one of the league's next bright young PGs or the next Starbury, take your pick.

[NiB]

I watched the Bucks/bulls game on One. Jennings has definately started with a bang but the trouble with rookies is when they hit the first season wall and other teams start to scout them better. But as long as he maintains a steady jump shot he's got the D and court vision to have a pretty good career at worst

[D.C.]

I think it was ridiculous that anyone considered him a reach where the Bucks picked him, but I guess that's what happens when you pay attention to prospects in the space between the end of the NBA finals and draft day and regurgitate Jay Bilas style opinions.

As for his attitude, the kid's got some swagger and a shitload of confidence, that doesn't particularly bother me (particularly since it's also just a part of where he's from), he's just had some problems learning how to deal with presenting himself publicly. I'm sure he'll adjust and start delivering fake nice guy crap like everyone else soon enough.
Just out of curiosity, do you know why he opted for Europe instead of the college route? I don't have a great understanding of how things work over there (why I didn't think much of his numbers), but even so I was still surprised he was selected so highly with the likes of Lawson still on the board.

Incidentally, I read some comments made by some coaches about his attitude and personality a few months back during the summer league and they basically said the guy is going to lose teeth if he keeps running his mouth. It'll definitely be interesting to see how he matures/adjusts, or if his ego explodes and he becomes a trainwreck.

[jawsy]

Jennings wasn't academically eligible (I don't know if he ever even sat the final SAT), Arizona (the college he committed to) was a shambles, and of course there is the fact that he made over a million bucks by jumping to Europe.

[Azzaman]

Kevin Martin's out for 6 - 8 weeks with a fracture in his hand. This is off the back of a couple of killer games, can't believe he played that well with that injury.

My other fantasy team relies on him and lebron. This weekend has had me sweating...

[NiB]

Interesting day of results on the NBA

The Celts and Nuggets cop their first L's pf the year and LeBron plays at MSG (where the rumors keep saying he heads to next year)

Has anyone else been watching Carmelo, He's just destroying everyone offensively. There isn't a player in the whole league who can contain him 1 on 1. I think he'll be hard to beat for teh scoring crown this year provided he maintains his drive

[D.C.]

Yeah, it's almost as if 'Melo flicked the switch after the Iverson/Billups trade last season. He's always been a scoring machine, but now he seems to be playing more for the team.

The Cavs pretty much destroyed the Knicks today (who hasn't?), but unless they make a serious move come the mid-season trade period, they're going to flounder big-time in the playoffs. Like the Spurs, they simply don't seem like a genuine contender at the moment, and I have no idea what M. Brown is thinking by trying to play both Shaq and Ilgauskas on the floor at the same time. Even a semi-decent team is going to rip them to shreds with that kind of stupid coaching.

Also, Durant is killing me in the fantasy league with his horrific shooting percentages. :( 2-20 from beyond the arc over four/five games! **** off.

[Natrak]

Yeah, Melo's always had a tremendous offensive game, he's always been capable of getting his shot from most spots on the floor and his footwork in the post has always been astounding.

This year though he's definitely putting in more all-around games along with his tremendous scoring. This version of Melo (from what I've seen) is looking more impressive than the one that was leading the league in PPG back in '06/'07 before the Nuggets/Knicks Brawl/AI trade. At this early point he's definitely playing at the sort of all-around level that gets you an MVP (provided your team is winning). He seemed to hit his stride during the playoffs last season (after a relatively quiet regular season) and hasn't looked back.

The Shaq trade is just all-around horrendous. Always was. I can understand feeling that with what they gave up it might have been worth pulling the trigger, but the Cavs offense already had an infuriating habit of grinding to a halt on occasion and Shaq was always going to make that matter worse. Throw in the fact the team lost Kuester to Detroit and you have a nigh-on ruined Cleveland team. Never mind the fact that it didn't really address the match-up nightmare Orlando presented in the Conf. Finals.

The funny thing is Brown's a pretty good defensive coach, you'd think he'd outta know that no good will come of playing Big Z and Diesel at the same time, particularly in today's league.

[NiB]

Also, Durant is killing me in the fantasy league with his horrific shooting percentages. :( 2-20 from beyond the arc over four/five games! **** off.

He'll work into it. He finished last year at like 40% on 3's and +80% at the line. But this year he's rebounding, blocking and stealing more.

[Mark]

hey guys,

i'm in a fantasy league with a few mates and i've been thrown a trade proposal that's worth considering.. what do you guys reckon ?

Trevor Ariza (rockets) and Tony Parker (spurs) for Stephen Jackson (GSW) and Antawn Jamison (Wizards)

I've been holding onto Jamison because i expect big things, but it's risky given he's just off a decent shoulder injury. Jackson has been consistently scoring high FPPG but i'm not sure it's going to last.

i'm considering this because Tony Parker is one of the standout guards in the league.. and Ariza isn't overshadowed in houston like he was in LA, and he's getting into a decent rhythm..

does anyone have any advice ?

[Mark]

Now he's offering Brandon Roy and Barbosa for jackson and jamison...

... he seems to want those two pretty badly..

[Azzaman]

I'm going to beat you Jabbz, it's inevitable, it's your destiny.

[jawsy]

hey guys,

i'm in a fantasy league with a few mates and i've been thrown a trade proposal that's worth considering.. what do you guys reckon ?

Trevor Ariza (rockets) and Tony Parker (spurs) for Stephen Jackson (GSW) and Antawn Jamison (Wizards)

I've been holding onto Jamison because i expect big things, but it's risky given he's just off a decent shoulder injury. Jackson has been consistently scoring high FPPG but i'm not sure it's going to last.

i'm considering this because Tony Parker is one of the standout guards in the league.. and Ariza isn't overshadowed in houston like he was in LA, and he's getting into a decent rhythm..

does anyone have any advice ?

You need to let us know what your team needs are, not just the players involved. As nice as it would seem to be able to move Jackson and Jamison for, say, Roy and Ariza, without seeing the rest of your team it could be a waste of time. What categories are you consistently beaten in? What do you win comfortably and can afford to drop a few in?

And so on...

[Mark]

good call -

i guess the main point to make here is that our league has custom scoring :

Assists: 1.5
Rebounds: 1.5
Blocks: 2.0
Steals: 2.0
Points: 1.0
Turnovers: -1.5
Tech Fouls: -1.0

My Lineup is :

Deron Williams (G)
Chauncey Billups (G)
Antawn Jamison (F)
Stephen Jackson (FG)
Shawn Marion (F)
Brook Lopez (C)
Joakim Noah (CF)
Kenyon Martin (F)
Mo Williams (G)
Corey Brewer (FG)
Steve Blake (G)
Tyson Chandler (FC)

i'm not sure how other leagues work as i'm new to fantasy basketball, but in this league, there are a certain amount of minutes per position (96 Guard, 96 Forward, 48 Center). If you have a multi positional player, they use up their first position minutes, and any overflow goes into their secondary minutes - i.e. when Joakim Noah plays, if Lopez hogs like 40 minutes, he will play the remaining 8 minutes in Center, then use the rest of his minutes in the Forward position.

I hope i've made that clear.

i don't have any "standout" players, but i'm scoring quite well from the likes of Deron Williams, Brook Lopez and Stephen Jackson.

[dj-tinklez]

"Chris Paul is Michael Jackson... but he's playing with a bunch of Tito Jackson's."
"Sammy Sosa, you deserve to be in the Hall of Fame, but you just can't go white!"

Hahaha... I love you Sir Charles!

Great double header on One HD today - Flash Wade and the Heat vs LeBrenda and the Cavs first up then the surprising Suns against my Lakers. Both should be great games.

[dj-tinklez]

HOLY CRAP!!! :O

Jermaine O'Neal to LeBron: "Get that shit outta here!"

next play

Wade to Varejao: "Thanks for making my poster, biatch!"

<3 Wade!

[Tancred89]

HEy!!!
have anyone watched the game yesterday on ONE .

LeBron VS wade ???

[Azzaman]

HEy!!!
have anyone watched the game yesterday on ONE .

LeBron VS wade ???

Yeah I watched it. Good game. They shared a very long strictly platonic hug afterwards.

[D.C.]

Cavs are looking a million bucks when they go Hickson at PF and alternate between Shaq and Varejao at C.

The Lakers/Suns game was a stinker though. :(

[NiB]

HOLY CRAP!!! :O

Jermaine O'Neal to LeBron: "Get that shit outta here!"

next play

Wade to Varejao: "Thanks for making my poster, biatch!"

<3 Wade!

Made my night...even better than Melo's dunk on Millsap

[Tancred89]

Cavs are looking a million bucks when they go Hickson at PF and alternate between Shaq and Varejao at C.

The Lakers/Suns game was a stinker though. :(

YEA. i think Lakers played a great game.

Cant wait for the rockets game on wednesday.

[NiB]

Jennings dropped 55 on the warriors....ROTY me thinks

[D.C.]

Jennings dropped 55 on the warriors....ROTY me thinks
In ****ing three quarters no less!

Knicks personnel are committing suicide as we speak. :p

[Azzaman]

oh man, Jabbz and my game is down to the wire. It's going to be decided by FG% and there's only .0004 in it.

TENSE

[NiB]

In ****ing three quarters no less!

Knicks personnel are committing suicide as we speak. :p

Just the cherry on top of all the shit things the knicks have done starting with Isiah taking over and now not having cap space to sign Wade or LeBron in 2010

[Jabbz]

Azza! I told you so!

Good game, I've still not got internet at my new house so I only just got the result What a week! :D

[Azzaman]

*grumble* you won by something like .0025% on FG's, that was very, very close.

[Jabbz]

And a few steals, but really.... A win is a win! :D Was a good contest!

[Azzaman]

Yeah, actually I thought I was safe on 3 pointers and that bloody channing frye turned that stat into a tie.

*grumble*

[Jabbz]

Yeah, actually I thought I was safe on 3 pointers and that bloody channing frye turned that stat into a tie.

*grumble*

In 2 games this year, he surpassed his career 3 point stats, and now is just booming. Thats my kind of centre!

[Azzaman]

Mo Williams - 7 3pointers, :O

[NiB]

He's no Peja though :p

[Jabbz]

He's no Peja though :p

He's better!

[Azzaman]

Poor Scola, getting poked in the eye would hurt...

[NiB]

The Book of Basketball by Bill Simmons is an awesome read for NBA fans and sports guy fans in general. I managed to pick it up for only $32au from Amazon as opposed to the $50+ that some CBD bookshops wanted to get it in.

[Natrak]

I'm not sure I could put up with Simba for an entire book.

[Azzaman]

Anyone watch the lakers-heat game today? Holee shit, what a game.

EDIT: Changing back to NBL, I just read in the paper what Julius Hodge did at the Tigers - 36ers game last night, wtf? I knew the guy was a douche, but that's just over the top.

[Jabbz]

Anyone watch the lakers-heat game today? Holee shit, what a game.

EDIT: Changing back to NBL, I just read in the paper what Julius Hodge did at the Tigers - 36ers game last night, wtf? I knew the guy was a douche, but that's just over the top.

I didn't see it, was it on One? If so, I'm a mad mad maaaad man for missing it!

What happened in the NBL THIS time?

[Azzaman]

Hodge stamped on Brett Maher's signature on the court, got booed and hissed for the entire game and dissed the 36ers, etc. Just general douchey behaviour.

I have nfi if the lakers game was on one, my mate has league pass and we were watching it on his computer. Course we weren't using league pass to watch it, I can't believe how crap that service is. So glad I didn't put up the money for it.

[dimorphic]

Kobe is money, all there is too it. That shot was amazing, all sorts of pressure from Wade and an off balance fade away three to win the game, and he banks it.

Money.

[Natrak]

Wish I hadn't have missed that game. Did they wind up showing it live (because if they did and I'd known I would have watched it) or was it just the 7pm slot?

[NiB]

Greg Oden has fractured his knee again and is out for the season......He's the new Sam Bowie

Which makes Durant the new MJ :D

[Natrak]

It sucks, you could still see all the potential in Oden that he was drafted for, but I think this pretty much seals how he's going to be seen for the rest of his career, as an injury-plagued bust. I think he should still wind up being a decent contributer, particularly in terms of defensive output, but it all just goes to show that Kevin Durant was always the sure thing and the dangers of drafting on size - particularly in today's game. I have a suspicion the Blazers should play better now with Oden out of the picture.

[Azzaman]

Kobe is money, all there is too it. That shot was amazing, all sorts of pressure from Wade and an off balance fade away three to win the game, and he banks it.

Money.

SHOW ME THE KOBE!!!!



I mean Money.

[dimorphic]

Wish I hadn't have missed that game. Did they wind up showing it live (because if they did and I'd known I would have watched it) or was it just the 7pm slot?

I watched it on a sports streaming site live, but in terrible, jutting quality.

I can't wait to get PlayTV for the PS3 so I can record the NBA and NFL while I'm at work.

[Natrak]

The funny thing is I recall last year the Lakers had a game that came down to the wire against the Heat and they lost it when Kobe missed an absolute bunny. Looks like the basketball gods made up for it. :P

[Jabbz]

It sucks, you could still see all the potential in Oden that he was drafted for, but I think this pretty much seals how he's going to be seen for the rest of his career, as an injury-plagued bust. I think he should still wind up being a decent contributer, particularly in terms of defensive output, but it all just goes to show that Kevin Durant was always the sure thing and the dangers of drafting on size - particularly in today's game. I have a suspicion the Blazers should play better now with Oden out of the picture.

I agree, portland will definately play better, once their other pieces are fit (Batum, Aldridge et al). Onec they are back, they will play faster and more offensive.....

TIME TO GET SOME PORTLAND PLAYERS FOR FANTASY!

[Azzaman]

A mate sent me this link with some killer dunks from the bygone era (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KeqKjXKGrFI).

But it got me wondering, what do they do if the backboard is shattered? Do they have a few replacements ready to go, is play halted by 20 mins or so while they put the new glass up? Do they call clarksons?

[jawsy]

All teams have to have two spare rings and support systems ready to go. Known as the 'Shaq Rule', after he collapsed a ring in a game during his rookie season for the Magic against...the Suns?

[NiB]

Kobe breaks a finger....that'll throw a wrench in many a fantasy team

[Jabbz]

Kobe breaks a finger....that'll throw a wrench in many a fantasy team

No it wont. Hell drop a few PPG, and probly the assists will increase. Thats about it sadly.

How much I hate him....

[D.C.]

It sucks, you could still see all the potential in Oden that he was drafted for, but I think this pretty much seals how he's going to be seen for the rest of his career, as an injury-plagued bust. I think he should still wind up being a decent contributer, particularly in terms of defensive output, but it all just goes to show that Kevin Durant was always the sure thing and the dangers of drafting on size - particularly in today's game. I have a suspicion the Blazers should play better now with Oden out of the picture.
It's amazing how all the Portland-cynics in the media have come out and basically trashed the organisation again for not drafting Durant. This is the same team that cashed in big-time by picking up Roy and Aldridge a few drafts beforehand; they absolutely did the right thing at the time by drafting Oden. It's not like the Pistons passing on Anthony and Wade for Miličić in '03, like you mentioned, Oden had an amazing upside leading into the draft and it's not like taking him at no. 1 was a crazy 'reach' pick purely for size and need. Until he went down with the knee he was actually having a real nice season - his offensive play was improving at a remarkable rate.

[Azzaman]

Oh man, Boxing day will have a stack of killer games on and I'll be travelling back from Victoria that day :( Hopefully the cavs-lakers and the celtics-magic games are on one hd so I can tape it....

[NiB]

Oh man, Boxing day will have a stack of killer games on and I'll be travelling back from Victoria that day :( Hopefully the cavs-lakers and the celtics-magic games are on one hd so I can tape it....

Pretty sure I saw the celts v magic advertised during last fridays games...(blazers v suns was great)

[D.C.]

So who caught the double-header today (not including the Blazers/Nuggets on Fox)? The first game between the Magic/Celtics was atrocious (particularly the first half), but it was nice to see the Lakers get a nice whipping in the second. Shaq was in excellent form, and watching Kobe act like a whiny little bitch just reinforced why he'll never be remotely likable (especially compared to the legends he's desperately trying to eclipse). It's one thing complaining about an uncalled foul, but another entirely to cry every time he misses a shot or flops to the floor.

[Azzaman]

Pretty sure I saw the celts v magic advertised during last fridays games...(blazers v suns was great)

Yeah I made a boo boo, they were on the day before I was travelling back, but my gandparents live in middle of nowhere, victoria and have inferior technology, so I couldn't watch it anyway. Saw the highlights though, good to see the Cavs crap all over Lakers, looked like a good game to watch.

Also I forgot to set the recorder before I left so no games for me :(

[NiB]

They were on saturday morning, I decided to get up at 6am and watch them live...The LeBron Kobe duel was a letdown cause the cavs did it with ease and the celts never looked troubled in an awful game to watch (magic shot about 30% for the first half and scored only 8 points in the 2nd)

[Azzaman]

I have a soft spot for the cavs because I have Lebron and Williams on one of my fantasy teams, so It probably was a let down for quite a few people, but for me it would've been a good one :D

[Jabbz]

I have a soft spot for the cavs because I have Lebron and Williams on one of my fantasy teams, so It probably was a let down for quite a few people, but for me it would've been a good one :D

I like the cavs to a point. But I don't like the Lebron show. While its good to watch mostly, I don't like the ball hogging.

And any team that hurts the lakers I like.....

[D.C.]

LeBron - ball hogging? Are you ****ing serious?! The guy is J. Kidd if he was 6"8 and a freak athlete. He'll carry the team on his back if things are dire, but otherwise he's one of the few genuine star ballers that is willing to look for the pass first.

[Jabbz]

LeBron - ball hogging? Are you ****ing serious?! The guy is J. Kidd if he was 6"8 and a freak athlete. He'll carry the team on his back if things are dire, but otherwise he's one of the few genuine star ballers that is willing to look for the pass first.

In the first 3 quaters yes.

The final quater is just the lebron show in every game I've seen, for any that are not blowouts. But, I still like watching him over most other players. Great skills, and a good temprement compared to other players.

[jawsy]

... and a good temprement compared to other players.

You and I are not watching the same player.

[NiB]

In the first 3 quaters yes.

The final quater is just the lebron show in every game I've seen, for any that are not blowouts. But, I still like watching him over most other players. Great skills, and a good temprement compared to other players.

Guys like Kobe and LeBron are all the same when they don't get a call they bitch and moan more than most other players

[Super Sleuth]

The Spurs/Heat & Sixers/Clippers line up was one of the worst double headers I've seen.

[Azzaman]

I think I've got your number this week Jabbz ;)

[D.C.]

lol, Charles was in rare form today:

(on Lane Kiffin) - "he's got to have pictures of somebody having sex with a monkey."

:D

[dj-tinklez]

Speaking of Sir Charles -- Inside the NBA has been available on NBA.com's website (http://www.nba.com/video/tntot/) all along!!! Aaaarggh, W.T.F?!!!!

[Super Sleuth]

So, I just watched Friday's Cavs vs Jazz match that I recorded. Unbelievable finish! Please tell me someone else caught this game as well!?

[dj-tinklez]

Yeah, that last quarter was a belter. Great buzzer beater by Yata... his first 3 pointer in the NBA... in only his 5th game... with only 1 practice session with the team under his belt. And it was against the Cavs. :)


All-star weekend is coming up and the starters are going to be announced soon. Can't believe McGrady and Iverson are in contention for a starting gig. What a joke! If I had it my way, my lineup would be:

EASTERN CONFERENCE
Guards | Joe Johnson and Dwayne Wade
Joe continues to be underrated and his Hawks are again flying under the radar again this season. Wade again carrying the Heat on his back.
Reserve: Derrick Rose and Rajon Rondo

Forwards | Lebron James and Chris Bosh
Probably the two best players in East at the moment. Kevin Garnett will get the votes over Bosh though.
Reserve: Kevin Garnett, Josh Smith and Gerald Wallace

Centre | Dwight Howard
Just over David Lee. Howard (and the Magic) should be dominating this conference but his teammates continue to chuck three's instead of giving him the rock in the paint time and time and again as they should.
Reserve: David Lee and Brook Lopez

WESTERN CONFERENCE
Guards | Kobe Bryant and Steve Nash
Black Mamba, bung finger and all, leads all vote getters and is a cert. I wrote Nash and the Suns off at the start of the season, but he's been as good as ever. Be an absolute disgrace if McFrail gets voted in.
Reserve: Brandon Roy and any 2 from: Monta Ellis, Chris Paul, Deron Williams and Aaron Brooks

Forwards | Kevin Durant and Dirk Nowitzki
Dirk is probably playing just as good as his MVP season and his stats back that. Durant's star continues to rise, but Carmelo Anthony will get the votes.
Reserve: Carmelo Anthony, Pau Gasol and Zach Randolph

Centre | Tim Duncan
He may be getting on with age, but he's still a force to be reckoned with.
Reserve: Amar'e Stoudamire

I'm probably forgetting someone. And I can't believe I've got Zach Randolph in my team. But hey, the Grizz are 22-18 and are half a game behind the 7th seed and he's been a major factor since joining them.

Thoughts? Let's see your team!

[Super Sleuth]

I can only watch the games that a shown on One (and 80% of the time they show the Lakers, Cavs or the Celtics), so there's no way I can make a fair judgment on the All Star Teams.
For the East Conf guard I'd have Rondo in place of Joe Johnson, purely because they never play Atlanta games on One and I have no real idea of how he's doing. Well, obviously.
For the same reason, I'd have Brooks in place of Nash and Gasol in place of Durant.

[jawsy]

Centre | Dwight Howard
Just over David Lee.

Just over David Lee?!

You are insane.

[dj-tinklez]

Dwight: 34MPG/6FGM/10FGA/60FG%/60FT%/13.1REB/1.6AST/3.4TO/1STL/2.5BLK/17PPG
Lee: 36MPG/8FGM/14FGA/56FG%/78FT%/11.2REB/3.4AST/2.3TO/1STL/0.3BLK/19.1PPG

Yes, just over. But the All-Star ballot is a popularity contest, so Dwight is going to get 10-times the vote from Lee anyways.

[Azzaman]

Hmmm, does anyone here think that Carter would be a good trade target at the moment? I keep thinking he'll come good but I'm not entirely convinced...

[Jabbz]

Hmmm, does anyone here think that Carter would be a good trade target at the moment? I keep thinking he'll come good but I'm not entirely convinced...

Only if Orlando trade him. I really think he is wasted talent there right now. At the start of this year I had really high hopes, but I don't think he can br a Hedu.

Orlando shoot too many 3's. Carter is a sole 3 point shooter these days. Sadly. I remember him from his Toronto high flying slam dunk winning best. Ahhh, the memories!

[jawsy]

Dwight: 34MPG/6FGM/10FGA/60FG%/60FT%/13.1REB/1.6AST/3.4TO/1STL/2.5BLK/17PPG
Lee: 36MPG/8FGM/14FGA/56FG%/78FT%/11.2REB/3.4AST/2.3TO/1STL/0.3BLK/19.1PPG

Yes, just over. But the All-Star ballot is a popularity contest, so Dwight is going to get 10-times the vote from Lee anyways.

It's thinking like this that resulted in Jamaal Magloire being named an All Star. Terrible (should quickly point out, I believe that Lee may actually have All Star talent this season, maybe as a 12th man and if you want to completely overlook Lopez thanks to his team's results, but to suggest that the Eastern center position is in any way shape or form close is preposterous).

Carter would be better if he stopped grimacing like he had been shot every time someone makes contact with him. I spent about two hours yesterday on ESPN's Trade Machine trying to figure out the best way to get Turkoglu back from the Raptors (note, I did, and it involved Gilbert Arenas...ha!).

[Azzaman]

I should mention as well that I'd be trading corey brewer for him

EDIT: This one (http://www.twitvid.com/20893) made me chuckle

[Azzaman]

bastard pulled the offer.... That could've been a sweet pickup actually...

[D.C.]

All-star weekend is coming up and the starters are going to be announced soon. Can't believe McGrady and Iverson are in contention for a starting gig. What a joke!
Really makes a mockery of the whole event... Anyway he's my line-up:

EASTERN CONFERENCE
Guards | Wade & Rondo
J. Johnson has had another solid season thus far too, but Rondo has nearly been averaging a triple-double (and carrying the team while Garnett is on the bench and Allen continues playing sub-par).

Forwards | LeBron & Bosh
Clear cut. No question.

Centre | Howard
Purely by default. He's regressed this season (at both ends of the floor), and his incessant bitching about the coach the second things turn sour has become ridiculous. Until he can actually shoot the ball consistently (instead of relying on dunks) he'll never be a truly dominant player. In fact, I'd much prefer Bosh playing this position simply because he does it a lot for the Raptors now anyway.

WESTERN CONFERENCE
Guards | Bryant & Roy
The difference in talent at both PG/SG between the East and West is downright incredible at the moment. Tough to pick just two here, especially given how good the likes of Brooks, Williams, Mayo, and Westbrook have played.

Forwards | Anthony & Durant
Again, pretty easy selection with the forwards. Nowitzki has been consistently good, but not enough to replace one of these guys.

Centre | Stoudamire
Toss-up between him and Duncan.

Carter would be better if he stopped grimacing like he had been shot every time someone makes contact with him. I spent about two hours yesterday on ESPN's Trade Machine trying to figure out the best way to get Turkoglu back from the Raptors (note, I did, and it involved Gilbert Arenas...ha!).
Agree with all of this. When the trade went down (and given how the great season, nay career, Carter has had up until this point) I thought it was clearly the best deal in the off-season. On paper he should have slotted in seamlessly and also given the Magic more points than Turk, but with the likes of Lewis and Howard playing average (not to mention Nelson plagued with the injury bug), the trade thus far has been a bust.

I don't know how injured his shoulder really is (when it first happened he was rolling around like his season was over), but if he's too scared to play in the paint, he probably should just stay on the bench.

I bet Turk is wishing he was still with Orlando too. The big paycheck must be nice, but his stats have dipped and the Raptors will be struggling to just make the playoffs (let alone do anything). Pretty sure Portland offered him a comparable deal too - that team would have been seemingly unstoppable with him and without their horror run of injuries.

[jawsy]

I still do think the Carter trade can work out. Orlando has had a pretty upset run so far, and it is obvious that they are still figuring out the best way to utilise all the talent they have at their disposal. Still, I think for the sake of my mid-season sanity I would prefer to just have Turk back.

And just quickly, to suggest that Howard has regressed at the offensive end this season shows a lack of familiarity with how he has actually played this year. He is surrounded by offensive weapons and as such has seen a dip in his ppg total, but his play on the offensive end has shown an expanded repertoire, the ability to make a really effective dribble into a first step (the quickness is unbelievable), an increased fg% (best of his career, to date), less illegal screens, and a willingness (and ability)to look for the cutter (rather than to just kick it out).

Conversely, turnovers are still a concern and he doesn't play the tight double-team as well as he needs to, but Howard has actually shown improvement at the offensive end this year (recent game against the Lakers was, hopefully, the sign of further things to come. A couple of sweet 10-12 foot bank shots, running hooks, etc). He is well short of being a monster, but he certainly isn't regressing.

Defensively, however, he does seem to be a half step slower, primarily in helping and rotating to the weak side. Some of this has to do with the new personnel, though. Still, he is still my DPotY at this point.

Also, also, I'd say your All-Star selections are pretty spot on DC.

[D.C.]

And just quickly, to suggest that Howard has regressed at the offensive end this season shows a lack of familiarity with how he has actually played this year. He is surrounded by offensive weapons and as such has seen a dip in his ppg total, but his play on the offensive end has shown an expanded repertoire, the ability to make a really effective dribble into a first step (the quickness is unbelievable), an increased fg% (best of his career, to date), less illegal screens, and a willingness (and ability)to look for the cutter (rather than to just kick it out).

Conversely, turnovers are still a concern and he doesn't play the tight double-team as well as he needs to, but Howard has actually shown improvement at the offensive end this year (recent game against the Lakers was, hopefully, the sign of further things to come. A couple of sweet 10-12 foot bank shots, running hooks, etc). He is well short of being a monster, but he certainly isn't regressing.
You've probably watched the Magic more this season than I have, but every time I've seen Howard it's either dunk or bust (or get fouled and miss the free-throws). The Lakers game was the first time he looked pretty good shooting beyond five feet or so. He's still young and has plenty of upside left, however has a pretty significant way to go if he's ever going to even rivaling Shaq (in his prime) though.

That said, you're right about his touches going down. Which honestly doesn't make much sense given the team would play its best going to him first and working out for easier shots.

[jawsy]

Alright, I'm going to say this- how good did Shaq look today? Dude knows how to ball.

[D.C.]

Loved the spin moves he pulled out. Made Gasol look like a chump.

[Jabbz]

I loved the Lakers/Cavs game. Great match, and I'm glad the Lakers lost. Important match - Cavs have the tiebreaker advantage now.

[jawsy]

Loved the spin moves he pulled out. Made Gasol look like a chump.

His passing was what won me over. He reads the offensive end so well (although, worth pointing out, O'neal's best stretches only happened when James was sitting out because, you know, they actually ran an offense instead of just having James dribble the ball 40 feet from the hoop until there was 10 left on the shot clock, then make a move).

I somehow wanted the game to end with both teams losing.