Demon's Souls

[McChimp]

Am I right in saying there used to be a thread for this game, or was merely talked about elsewhere? Anyways, anyone out there got this? Wanted to get a better idea of what it's like, and an idea of what kind of difficulty we're looking at (my purchasing this kind've relies on whether or not it's ball-bustingly hard or somewhat more forgiving), as I love my games madly, but I'm not what you'd call the world's 'best' when it comes to difficult games.

[Creedy]

From what I understand, extremely difficult, you can die from 2 simple hits.

Video review here.
http://www.gametrailers.com/video/review-demons-souls/57297#

[igotnewsuper8systemWRONG!]

I'm on the verge of ordering the US version, but first I want confirmation from someone that the online works alright playing on US servers. I love the sound of the online in this, but I don't want anything to do with it if it's constantly going to be laggy as shit.

[klee123]

I've been playing the Asian version since April and had no problems at all. It shouldn't really be much of an issue at all.

Can't wait to get the US version next week.

[borgster101]

I'm on the verge of ordering the US version, but first I want confirmation from someone that the online works alright playing on US servers. I love the sound of the online in this, but I don't want anything to do with it if it's constantly going to be laggy as shit.

I've been playing the Asian version .. and online was lag free.

I've played single player more though .. but yeah you shouldnt have any problems.

Except it to kick your arse though :p

[McChimp]

Except it to kick your arse though :p

Are we talking a seriously frustrating a$$ kicking or one that tolerable due to the game's awesomeness?

[Adios]

Are we talking a seriously frustrating a$$ kicking or one that tolerable due to the game's awesomeness?

It's difficult for sure (very much so), but that's what makes the game so good. If you enjoyed the combat of Zelda but always wanted more depth and tactical breadth to it, this is it.

[sausage]

I'm tempted to buy it, suck at it, wiki it, then proudly display it so I can rape visitors with my game-savvy awareness.

[Beinkasaurus Rex]

V. tempted to pick this up =O

[klee123]

It's worth it guys. If you want an challenging rpg which doesn't hold your hand at all, demon's souls is highly recommended.

It's certainly my GOTY so far. Uncharted 2 better be something special to top it.

[drzaius]

so its out in the US?
any word on an EU or AUS release?

[igotnewsuper8systemWRONG!]

From what I can tell none, I caved and ordered the US version from Playasia.

[sidochrome]

From what I can tell none, I caved and ordered the US version from Playasia.

Let me know how that goes - I opted to order mine from GameStop. I've ordered from them aaaages ago before with no problems, but it appears their current policy for international customers is a complete pain in the arse.

Some pretty glowing reviews for this one - seems like the kind of title you can pour in as much time as you want to. I'm interested to see how frustrating it'll be, or whether it's just a case of carefully considering your combat options before going in flailing.

[Creedy]

You can also order frown Tronix or Video Games Plus.

[Shin_Battousai]

Rather than ordering directly from Gamestop, you could do it through Barnes and Noble to avoid all that faxing nonsense.

[/backslash]

Let me know how that goes - I opted to order mine from GameStop. I've ordered from them aaaages ago before with no problems, but it appears their current policy for international customers is a complete pain in the arse.
You should order from anywhere aside from Gamestop, shipping prices are horrendous too, use either Play-Asia, Videogamesplus or cduniverse.com

I watched the video review of this on Gametrailers, seems like an awesome game but far too difficult for me

[sidochrome]

Rather than ordering directly from Gamestop, you could do it through Barnes and Noble to avoid all that faxing nonsense.

Cheers for the tip, man!

I did do due diligence and check out most of the other suggestions ahead of time, and most didn't seem to have the game in stock. That said, totally should have just hit up a friend in the US to send it over - who uses a fax these days?

The ultimate insult was that I had to notify them if I wished to continue my order within 48 hours (did this via email anyway), but they couldn't confirm receipt of my fax for 72 hours - at this rate I'm guessing super8 will get his first. Really wanted to get it before my holidays too... -_-

That said, considering the other items I was ordering, the strength of the Aussie dollar and that there's no word on the game being distributed in Europe (and as a result, here), I'm happy to take this one on the chin. It's only been the last few months that importing's been viable and this is the only title that's jumped out at me for a long time.

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Largely footage you've seen before, but still a pretty slick edit.

[igotnewsuper8systemWRONG!]

at this rate I'm guessing super8 will get his first.

I don't know, at this rate I'm not going to be surprised if it's not here by November.

[Saxby]

Finally a game that makes me consider buying a PS3.

[sidochrome]

My copy miraculously arrived yesterday and after putting a couple of hours in last night, I'm definitely a fan.

The gritty, low fantasy tone won me over from the get go, and if I had to make a comparison, I'd say the game plays like a mix of Oblivion (large game world and RPG elements) and Zelda (light action game with basic, but satisfying combat).

The element that really makes combat interesting is the limit imposed by your endurance bar - each attack, sprint, evasive roll or block will drain the bar, but it will increase slowly while you're blocking unassailed, or quickly when you are totally vulnerable. In the thick of combat, managing your limited endurance is vital. I particularly liked the way you could shift between wielding most weapons one or two-handed.

Aside from a brief tutorial that tells you the basic controls, the game doesn't really hold your hand, but the aim is for the messaging system to take up that slack, with other players helping to guide the way, and that works pretty well based on the incentives for leaving useful info.

I managed to only die the once against one of the tougher basic enemies (heavily armoured and can heal), as they do seem to give you a fair amount of health items at this stage of the game. Fighting my way back to my bloodstain (a veritable corpse run for the Diablo/WoW fans) to regain those lost souls definitely adds a thrill to proceedings.

I haven't played any true co-op yet, so I can't really speak for how well the game copes with latency going via the US servers, but the 'ghosts' and messages that exist between worlds definitely create an interesting dynamic. Touching the bloodstains that litter the landscape and watching people blunder off a ledge to a fatal fall cracks me up every time.

DS does come across as a bit rough around the edges -such as the physics being pretty rudimentary and the camera tracking could be a little better - but I'll definitely be investing a lot of time into this one.

[Saxby]

Awesome...

Now I just need that PS3! I've recently spent over $700 on my Xbox in the last month though...

[Creedy]

What in the world on?

[Lex]

What in the world on?

Games, creedy, some of us actually play them.

[Creedy]

There isn't $750 worth of games to buy on either platform within a month.

[AranchineD]

*Assuming he's bought every single game in existence up until last month, and thus the only money he could possibly spend money on is games that came out in that month

[sidochrome]

Had my arse handed to me on a platter a couple of days ago, but managed to come back with a fresh strategy and make some progress last night. Also played around with various weapon setups including 2H, sword and board and dual wield and have been enjoying the options.

Also, lol (via GAF):

http://i33.tinypic.com/14cw45e.png

Leaving messages combined with the unfortunately named salve you use for temporary weapon enchants = win.

[Saxby]

There isn't $750 worth of games to buy on either platform within a month.

I bought a new Elite for $400 because my old box rrod for the first time in three years. I'm giving it to a mate. I could probably spend that much if I didn't have all the awesome games already + Accessories.

I only ever pay around $40 for games though and I can't remember what I bought. I certainly spent that much though.

I spent around $100 on XBL getting castle crashers (My GF loves it), Shadow Complex & Trials HD. I also bought GOW, Dead Rising & Mass effect for $100 (For my mate when I give him the Xbox for his birthday. Just picked up Orange Box, Soul Calibur IV, Fable II, Dead Space and a play and charge cable for my new controller for $128 posted from blahdvd.

So around $730, but the xbox doesn't really count and I already have the games I bought for my mate.

Edit: I want this game so bad. Maybe when I start working full-time and get a place to myself...

[Nic Xtreme]

The release of both this and Uncharted 2 together make for an incredibly strange situation where the PS3 is the only game console I want to be playing right now. Oh, but it's broken. **** you Sony.

This looks absolutely awesome. How long have the Japanese/Asian servers been open for so far? Are there still plenty of people playing? I *really* hope the numbers are still there in 6-12 months time when I buy a new PS3.

[ElPresidente]

My copy should arrive by Thursday as it is currently in transit.

Can't wait.

[sidochrome]

Asian or US version, Prez?

Have been making some steady progress over the week. Still a very unforgiving game, but if you choose your battles and keep your wits about you, you can come out in front. Currently focussing on the third area, the Tower of Latria, a grim prison guarded by mind flayers.

I've tested a few different classes so far, and I've gotta say, the Royal is pretty OP in the early game.

[tau]

I'm going to also say that this + uncharted may have convinced me to buy a ps3...

D:~

[ElPresidente]

Asian or US version, Prez?

US deluxe version.

[sidochrome]

Sweet dude - I'll have to set up a character of comparable soul level for some co-op.

[igotnewsuper8systemWRONG!]

Just got my copy

[Stevorooni]

This game looks amazing but I don't know if I'll get frustrated and give up when it becomes too unforgiving. Damn modern games have softened me up.

[ElPresidente]

Bugger... I don't think this is going to get here today. It's been waiting clearance for delivery since 11 this morning. :(

Oh well... tomorrow it is.

[borgster101]

This game looks amazing but I don't know if I'll get frustrated and give up when it becomes too unforgiving. Damn modern games have softened me up.

This is kind of what happened to me :p

Well really, it was other games started to come out so I bought those and started to play them, and by the time I finished them there was new games, and then other stuff got in the way, so the new games I bought havent finished/started and hence Demon's Souls got left behind :(

It's sooooo satisfying when you defeat a boss though .. haven't worked so hard for a bronze trophy in any other game!!

[ElPresidente]

Sitting at depot ready to be delivered tomorrow. Huzzah! :D

*edit 7:30 Friday morning*

Why is someone knocking at my door at this hour?

*peeps through peephole*

Aussie post dude?

*opens door*

Takes receipt of Demon's Souls

*closes door*

*dances*

[Saxby]

Wow, that is some amazing delivery action.

[ElPresidente]

Dunno how awesome it is. Both my housemate and I were still in our respective beds. :P

Anyway I had a very very quick play before work.

1: The character creator has some of the ugliest heads outside of Morrowind
2: Combat feels good.... really really good.

[igotnewsuper8systemWRONG!]

This game is nowhere near as hard as everyone pretends it is

[SOX]

How does the online component of this game actually work?

[ElPresidente]

In short you have two life states... alive and soul form. When you're alive you have max health but in spirit form you have a portion of your full health. The only way from soul form to living is to either use a special crystal or defeat a boss. This is where one part of the MP comes in.

When you are alive you can pull other souls into your game to help you. The reason why souls will be willing to help is to follow you to the boss so they can regain their life by helping you defeat it.

If you are in soul form you can leave markers showing that you are willing to be pulled into anothers game.

Finally there is also the ability to invade other people's games later on. You can become a black shadow, enter another persons game and then wait for an opportune moment to spring a trap.

Consdering the loss associated with death these incursions can apparently be extremely tense moments for the person being invaded.

Oh and there is also a way to duel players for wagered souls.

Yes... I've been watching and reading a lot on this game while I've been waiting for it to arrive. :D

[igotnewsuper8systemWRONG!]

Also you can see the ghosts of other people playing the game which is a nice little feature, makes you feel like you're all in it together. Plus you can touch bloodstains laying around to see how other people have died and other people can leave little notes warning you about things in the area.

[borgster101]

This game is nowhere near as hard as everyone pretends it is
Hahah,. you'll see :p Tower Knight boss was quite tough until I figured out a long but effective strategy to take it out.

Also I probably spend 80% of the game in soul form!! :p

[Creedy]

I should receive this game soon but I probably won't start it until the new year.
I have sooooo many games to play.
*sigh*

[ElPresidente]

I'm getting the impression this is perhaps one you'll want to get a start on while there are still people playing it. The online sounds too good to miss out on IMO.

[Stevorooni]

In short you have two life states... alive and soul form. When you're alive you have max health but in spirit form you have a portion of your full health. The only way from soul form to living is to either use a special crystal or defeat a boss. This is where one part of the MP comes in.

When you are alive you can pull other souls into your game to help you. The reason why souls will be willing to help is to follow you to the boss so they can regain their life by helping you defeat it.

If you are in soul form you can leave markers showing that you are willing to be pulled into anothers game.

Finally there is also the ability to invade other people's games later on. You can become a black shadow, enter another persons game and then wait for an opportune moment to spring a trap.

Consdering the loss associated with death these incursions can apparently be extremely tense moments for the person being invaded.

Oh and there is also a way to duel players for wagered souls.

Yes... I've been watching and reading a lot on this game while I've been waiting for it to arrive. :D


**** you Prez, after reading your post I've ordered the game.


I'll be taking 3 weeks off over christmas so I know what I'll be playing now

[igotnewsuper8systemWRONG!]

Hahah,. you'll see :p Tower Knight boss was quite tough until I figured out a long but effective strategy to take it out.

Also I probably spend 80% of the game in soul form!! :p

Just beat him then, on my second attempt. On my first attempt I had a soul dude with me but Tower Knight just stomped on me straight up, decided to try and take him myself, really didn't take that long once I figured out what to do.

[Creedy]

I'm getting the impression this is perhaps one you'll want to get a start on while there are still people playing it. The online sounds too good to miss out on IMO.

I don't think the online will be missed in just a few months.
I have the feeling this game will have legs and ust keep selling over the months. It has gained a pretty big fanbase ever since the asain version was released.

Can people with an American copy not play with people that own the Asian copy?

[oogi2000]

The USA version cannot link with the Asian and vice-a-versa, due to Atlus having its own separate servers for the US version.

[igotnewsuper8systemWRONG!]

Can people with an American copy not play with people that own the Asian copy?

Correct

[Stevorooni]

Well I've ordered the US version so I guess that will be known as the "Cool People" version

[borgster101]

Just beat him then, on my second attempt. On my first attempt I had a soul dude with me but Tower Knight just stomped on me straight up, decided to try and take him myself, really didn't take that long once I figured out what to do.

Haha nice.

At first I kept trying to attack him from the ground (I'm a knight) but it just wasn't working .. I ended up stocking up on LOTS of arrows, taking out all the minions at the top areas first .. and then continually shot arrows at the Knight until he died .. if you get succesive hits, you can do multiplyer damage :) . When I played against it online (before I beat it myself, I was with a mage dude and another knight and it was MUCH easier) but since I was in soul mode, I was the "visitor" .. but of course I got the souls :D


I'm a bit further in after that point now (well last I played it :p), you can see my trophies in my sig to see which bosses I have defeated thus far (though it's not in English on the MMOS site, still you can see the pictures ;) ). Whats cool about this game as well .. is that you techincally have access to all the areas straight away, which is cool for some variety, especially if a particular area is giving you the shits .. you can come back later when you have more souls.

Damn .. all this talk about the game, makes me want to go back to it now .. I haven't started Uncharted 2 yet .. and the last PS3 games I played was Yakuza 3 and Folklore (havent played for about a week, due to other commitments)

On the plus side after my exam on Monday, I've got holidays until after Melbourne Cup .. so it's the perfect chance to get back to it :p

Also - there's likely more people online now since all you guys are playing the US version :)

EDIT: shit just noticed the posts above re: Asian version can't connect with the US version .. well that sucks :( .. ah well still worth getting back into :p

[McChimp]

I keep looking at this on Ebay and I'm soooooooooooo tempted, but I'm still so very unsure! I don't want to get my butt kicked by it constantly, but the idea of being able to use different tactics and just not one straight forward approach makes me think I could enjoy it. I should just bite the bullet!

[Adios]

EDIT: shit just noticed the posts above re: Asian version can't connect with the US version .. well that sucks :( .. ah well still worth getting back into :p

I got the Asian copy borgster. Granted you won't be able to have a chance to play with me until I get back to Australia but there you go :p

[borgster101]

I keep looking at this on Ebay and I'm soooooooooooo tempted, but I'm still so very unsure! I don't want to get my butt kicked by it constantly, but the idea of being able to use different tactics and just not one straight forward approach makes me think I could enjoy it. I should just bite the bullet!
I think it's worth it, while hard the game isn't unfair or cheap.

Adios: yeah thats right I remember talking about with you a few months back (probably in this thread) ... good to know there's a few people here that I could play with :)

[Allick]

Would it be worth buying this game and NOT using the online feature?

[igotnewsuper8systemWRONG!]

It would be, but the game would be a lot harder.

The online though is incredible, I don't really play PC games so my opinion might not count for much, but this game has the best implementation of online I have ever seen.

[ElPresidente]

Aye the multiplayer is heaps of fun. Because of the way it works if you do play single player you'd be silly not to play the multi.

Basically... get to boss... ask people for help by dropping soul signs or, if you are in living form, summoning souls to your aid... defeat boss... other players automatically drop out continue with single player adventure.

Think of it as getting extra fire power when needed.

Anyway I LOVE this game. Far too much fun.

I think super8 is correct regarding the game's difficulty. It has been hyped up a bit too much but there is no doubt it is a tough game (particularly if you start with a low vitality character - well armoured high vitality starting classes are going to find the opening section significantly easier). It isn't so much that the game is ultra hard... it is just hardcore. It is completely uncompromising in its design. The game is strict and expects you to respect that if you plan on making progress.

The game's biggest triumph though is giving meaning back to death. Death is dealt with via a simple save game reload but, by the same token, it doesn't mean a restart of the entire game. Instead death robs you of progress - since everything in the game from levelling to equipment is bought with souls, the game's all-in-one currency, tying death to the loss of these is genius. Giving you just one chance to reclaim them, brilliance.

So far I've just taken out the Tower Knight in living form and brought the red dragon down. I'm currently soul level 19 as I've probably been spending more on attributes than necessary for this section of the game but I keep finding loot like the Purple Flame Shield and the Bastard Sword that demand higher strengths if I am to carry & use them properly.

Of Men & Dragons: A little tip for the Boletaria Palace stage 2

It is possible to take the dragon out early if you have the patience. Somewhere in 1-2 (can't remember where exactly) you will find a composite short bow (obviously if you are playing a hunter you don't need this bow). Grab that bow and immediately head back to the Nexus to buy a crap tonne of arrows from Boldwin. Return to 1-2 and fight through to the first tower. Head up stairs and take out the pikeman, axeman and two crossbowmen you find on the way up. Once here you can nock your arrow and start firing at the dragon using precision firing (this is why this strategy doesn't work with crossbows as they require a lock and the dragon is moving too fast for this to happen). He will take bugger all damage per hit and thanks to the colour of this scales it can be hard to see the health bar popup or even the amount of damage done. It may feel like you're not making a dent but trust me, you are. It took me somewhere in the vicinity of 160 arrows. Now that may sound like a lot of souls to waste on the dragon but you will get more than enough souls to cover the costs and then some as compensation.

The best spot to do this from is on the top of the tower facing back towards where you came from fighting the slimey shield dudes at the start of 1-2. Facing in this direction you should place yourself on the right hand gap in the tower battlements allowing you to see down the path. The dragon should be continuously swooping down along this path and burning it. You'll be perfectly safe in the tower. The dragon can only get you when running across the gaps between towers. Aim a bit to the left and up of the start of the path (the point furthest away from you) and let the dragon fly over a couple of times until you are sure you it will fly in front of the arrow flight path. To start with just fire one arrow at a time until you know they are hitting... from here it is possible to wait a beat when you hear the roar the dragon does just before attacking and then firing. It will look like you're firing at nothing but the dragon will swoop down in time catching the arrow allowing you a second shot before he loops back to begin his run again.

It is slow but once you've killed the dragon it will be gone from the Dragon Roost in 1-1 allowing you to pick up all that treasure that was there (be careful of the blue dragon's tail though... it almost killed me when I got too close). It's death will also mean that running along the paths between towers in 1-2 runs no risk of dragon crispination. The slight negative is that you now have to kill the beasties on the path yourself instead of letting the dragon do it for you. At this stage though you should find the battle a simple one.

[igotnewsuper8systemWRONG!]

Aye the multiplayer is heaps of fun. Because of the way it works if you do play single player you'd be silly not to play the multi.

Basically... get to boss... ask people for help by dropping soul signs or, if you are in living form, summoning souls to your aid... defeat boss... other players automatically drop out continue with single player adventure.


Not only that, but last night I must have repeated the flamelurker fight 6 or 7 times just farming the sucker for souls, playing offline you could only do this once.

[borgster101]

I've probably found this hard mostly because I haven't played it online as much .. all the bosses I have defeated it was solo! (in soul form.. though I equip that item that gives you the extra boost of health) :( Except withTower Knight, though I defeated this by joining anothers game before hand as well. This more so sucks that the US version and Asian versions don't talk to eachother :/ Bah.

And yes, agreed on the death system in this game .. since you lose all your souls .. but you have the chance to reclaim them .. there's always that "one more try" feeling. Then you ask yourself, do I run through all the enemies to quickly get my souls back .. thereby risking another death due to rushing through, or do I take it slow .. kill all the enemies again (thereby getting souls) and hopefully make it to the place of death to reclaim the lost souls.

I remember gaining heaps of souls through contiunally repeating this section option! And then madly spending/leveling once I got back to the base area. :p

[Hide & Reason]

This looks so good it's even got me back into gaming. I'll talk my brother into shelling out forthwith.

[The Reznor]

I've been thinking of getting a PS3 for this, Uncharted 2, MGS4, but now I can't find it anywhere.

I'm guessing places are sold out or something.

Where/when was the last time you saw Demon's Souls for sale?

Cheers

[borgster101]

Demon's Souls is not available in Australia, you need to import it. On the plus side the PS3 is region free, and hence can play games from anywhere .. if you're playing online though, for this game it is locked to the region you bought it from .. likely better off with the US version in that case.

[The Reznor]

...is it ever going to be available in Australia?

Perhaps I should get inFamous instead...

[borgster101]

Don't know if there will ever be an Australian release (I guess it's possible).

inFamous is great .. but if you're getting a PS3 .. get Uncharted and Uncharted 2 .. absloute MUST! But that's for another thread.

[Campdog]

I started playing this over the weekend. Started out as a solider but for some reason just couldn't get into a grove with the spear so after getting killed by the red eyed knight about 6 times i started over as a Temple Knight and just avoided him altogether.

I managed to finish 1-1 off and do a few runs though for some more souls and then started on 2-1 but those fat guys keep killing me.

Just curious as to where everyone went to after they finished 1-1 and any tips for a beginner :)

[borgster101]

I think I continued on to 1-2.

[Stevorooni]

My copy is yet to arrive :(

[The Reznor]

I think I might order this.

Those that have it, can you tell me where you got it from?

[Ashmaran]

I had a good go of the US version, and it's quite a good game. It reminds me of Monster Hunter, the way that everything requires care and is skill based, and the rules are set in stone. However knowledge is as necessary as skill.

Reading the messages from other players, summoning souls in and watching how people died, it's a really immersive way to share the game with other people. I wouldn't be surprised if other games started adding similar features.

Anyway despite the crazy onslaught of games right now I'm tempted to buy this as well...maybe after I finish off a few others in the backlog.

[igotnewsuper8systemWRONG!]

Soooooooo.... Hows everyone going in this? Anyone finished yet? If anyone wants to help me with 1-4 let me know, currently level 96.

[McChimp]

Bit the bullet and picked up a copy on Ebay from the UK for $75AUD inc. postage. Should be here soon, so I'm HOPING it's as awesome as it sounds!

[Stevorooni]

yesssss got to work this morning and my copy had arrived in the mail.

Now it's only 10.5 hours before I'll be home to play it :(

[ElPresidente]

Soooooooo.... Hows everyone going in this? Anyone finished yet? If anyone wants to help me with 1-4 let me know, currently level 96.

I've been distracted with so many titles of late. I'm still only just past the Flame Lurker in the Stonefang tunnels.

Once the Christmas holidays come around I should be set to put in some serious time. I do love this game so.

[Campdog]

Soooooooo.... Hows everyone going in this? Anyone finished yet? If anyone wants to help me with 1-4 let me know, currently level 96.

So far so good! I had a bit of spare time on the weekend and managed to finish 2-2 and 2-3 as well as 1-2. Im only soul level 35 still atm though.

I cant get enough of this game still. Very engrossing.

I might try 4-1 when i get home tonight.

[ElPresidente]

It really is an exceptional title.

[Campdog]

It really is an exceptional title.

It sure is. In my head i already have a 2nd character planned out :d

[Stevorooni]

haha wow, dead in the opening tutorial >.<

[igotnewsuper8systemWRONG!]

At the boss? You would have to be some sort of crazy person to beat that guy on your first playthrough.

[Stevorooni]

oh so that's a normal thing to happen then? good

[igotnewsuper8systemWRONG!]

Yeah, what class did you pick? Remember dying a lot is a normal thing.

[Stevorooni]

I'm a thief. I am always a thief in these types of games.

[igotnewsuper8systemWRONG!]

http://alamosweet.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/milk_was_a_bad_choice-7777021.jpg

Gud luck.

[Campdog]

At the boss? You would have to be some sort of crazy person to beat that guy on your first playthrough.

It is actually possible. Ive tried but im still not good enough with roll dodging to beat him there. But its crazy for a tutorial stage for a game.

[ElPresidente]

haha wow, dead in the opening tutorial >.<

That is definitely intended.

You need to die so you can go to the Nexus and begin your journey in earnest. It is the only forced death in the game.

[sausage]

Aran can beat it on Hardcore.

[igotnewsuper8systemWRONG!]

This sucks, everyone must have migrated to MW2 or something, I can't find anyone to help me with 1-4

[ElPresidente]

This sucks, everyone must have migrated to MW2 or something, I can't find anyone to help me with 1-4

Can't find anyone or just friends?

[igotnewsuper8systemWRONG!]

Anyone, at all.

Ending up finding someone though. Game finished, but now I need to make it through 1-1 with over 200,000 souls.

[McChimp]

Got my copy sitting by the TV, with no time to play it right now!! GRRR!!! MUST make time ASAP!!

EDIT: Just gave it spin, but don't have lot of time right now. Quite interesting, I've gotta say. Met the first big demon dude and BOOM! Got f'ed up in like 2 hits.
Went to the Nexus, popped up in another world, did all right, BOOM! Got f'ed up by a demon-knight dude. Cool thing is, I'm not bothered by the deaths, as it's got this real strange way of making me not care about it too much. Combat system seems nice and simple, which I like, not too much unnecessary fiddling-around with buttons and items. Although the 'having to stop everything to eat some moon-grass' is a little irritating, but that's only 'cos I suck. lol.
This'll be a good 'go-to when I want to get a little further' game.

[bulkerking]

Just wondering with dieing do you lose everything as in souls you have on you or everything in total even if you spent the souls on skills etc coz that would suck...

sorry for the silly question :(
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[McChimp]

You die and go back to the beginning of the level (or so that's how I've found it so far), dropping your stuff at the point where you die. BUT, once you get back to that point, you get all your souls back. It's a kind've old-school system (in that you die and have to back to the beginning), but I haven't found it annoying so far. It's actually driving me on to get better at the game.

[igotnewsuper8systemWRONG!]

Just wondering with dieing do you lose everything as in souls you have on you or everything in total even if you spent the souls on skills etc coz that would suck...

sorry for the silly question :(

You only lose the souls, any items you have found or purchased will still be on you but like McChimp said you can go find your bloodstain and reclaim those souls.

[The Reznor]

I'm still undecided about getting this... if it were available in shops I probably would've taken the risk. An extremely hard RPG set in an extremely grim, hopeless world sounds like fun, fun times, but no-one ever talks about the story, or characters, or anything like that. If the action/environments are really good it wouldn't matter...

[Campdog]

I'm still undecided about getting this... if it were available in shops I probably would've taken the risk. An extremely hard RPG set in an extremely grim, hopeless world sounds like fun, fun times, but no-one ever talks about the story, or characters, or anything like that. If the action/environments are really good it wouldn't matter...

I see you live in Melbourne so you could probably pick it up from Dungeon Crawl in the city. Ive seen the Asian Version there but im sure they will no doubt order in a few US import copies. They are pretty good with stuff like that.

The story isnt too bad but its not what makes the game so good. Some of the characters in the game arnt too bad from what ive seen. I hate Patches with a passion but keep him alive as he is useful, for now...

The action and challenge the game presents and the environments are to me what makes the game so addicting! If you like a good action RPG you cant go wrong with this game!

[ElPresidente]

The action and challenge the game presents and the environments are to me what makes the game so addicting!

This may sound over nitpicky but if there is an evil the game's journalism industry has released upon this world it is the use of the word addicting as an adjective.

Addicting is a verb. The correct thing to say is "what makes the game so addictive."

Yes, nitpicky but this is something that has happened in games writing and is now spreading. The scourge must be stopped! :P

[Stevorooni]

I haven't played this beyond my initial quick play when it arrived.

Too many games, very little time! I will reserve this for my xmas holidays

[Campdog]

This may sound over nitpicky but if there is an evil the game's journalism industry has released upon this world it is the use of the word addicting as an adjective.

Addicting is a verb. The correct thing to say is "what makes the game so addictive."

Yes, nitpicky but this is something that has happened in games writing and is now spreading. The scourge must be stopped! :P

Why thankyou :) I didnt know about that. Grammar isnt one of my strong points. I like numbers more than words really, heh.

[McChimp]

Yeah, I picked a REALLY bad time to pick DS up, what with NSMBWii, MW2 and now Assassins Creed 2 having just come out. I've only played maybe an hour at most, but I intend to go back to it ASAP when releases slow-down (whenever that is).

I'm still undecided about getting this... if it were available in shops I probably would've taken the risk. An extremely hard RPG set in an extremely grim, hopeless world sounds like fun, fun times, but no-one ever talks about the story, or characters, or anything like that. If the action/environments are really good it wouldn't matter...

There IS some story to it, just don't ask me for the finer details. lol.
It's a very dark, grim game that gives you the feeling that you're very.....alone, I guess. That said, it oozes this unusual kind of atmosphere that I can honestly say I've never experienced before (that I can remember), and it's well-worth a purchase if you don't mind being the game's b!tch for a while.

If Dungeon Crawl has it, pick it up, but if you're willing to wait, order it online (I got mine from Ebay). My copy worked out at about $75 inc. postage from the UK, and if you wait until it gets a local release, I wouldn't be surprised if you were looking at a $99.95 price-point (or $89 at JB), god-knows how long down the line, if it ever sees release here.

[The Reznor]

I think I'll get it then..

I love games which reward careful, premeditated choices over button bashing, which is another thing I keep hearing about this.

[Campdog]

I think I'll get it then..

I love games which reward careful, premeditated choices over button bashing, which is another thing I keep hearing about this.

Then you will defiantly love this game. If you go in button mashing you will die, lots.

I managed to finish this off last night, and how satisfying it was! The last boss i tackled in 1-4 was a tough bugger. Took a few tires to learn his attacks and how to best avoid them. Im on to NG+ now but not sure if i want to try a mage or not.

I did totally change the way i played about 3/4 into the game though. I dropped my heavy armor, threw my shield over my shoulder and rolled around in the saints robes with my Miridan Hammer +5. Once i had learned the art of dodge rolling I found the game easier but not sure how I will go with the difficulty in NG+.

[Nic Xtreme]

As if all the positive press made me sad that I still haven't played this game thanks to a broken PS3, GameSpot has awarded this overall GOTY for 2009. Wowsers!

[McChimp]

That's a fairly-hefty call on their behalf, good on them though. Wouldn't call it a personal GOTY, but I've been pleasantly surprised by it, almost to the point of being astounded with how fresh it feels.

[igotnewsuper8systemWRONG!]

It's the first game in a while I've put 90 hours into but still want to keep playing, I'm actually forcing myself never to pick it up again because it's too addictive. Easily my second favourite game this year after Uncharted 2.

[super_deformed]

My copy just arrived. Came with the art book and soundtrack which is nice.


Havent played it yet. But to be honest Im a little worried that I wont like it.


Anyone want first dibs in the event that I decide to sell it in 2 days? :p

UPDATE: Now selling. See auction thread. Ta

[igotnewsuper8systemWRONG!]

C'mon give the game a chance, where did you get up to?

[McChimp]

Yeah, I would've given it more time than that, bro. Seriously, it's a slow-burner, but it gets inside your head like a b*tch!

[super_deformed]

Didnt get far. Ill give it a go again tonight.

Any advice regarding basic strategy? Is the parry / attack system (L2 then R1) something I need to master or avoid? When should one switch to two hands?

[igotnewsuper8systemWRONG!]

The only time I used parry was in the tutorial, I spent most of the game using shields that were too big to parry. My best advice would be too start the game as a Royal if you're finding it too hard, after beating 1-1 summon others as often as you can, or if your in soul form put yourself up for summoning (if you die as a blue soul form you won't lose the souls you've gained). Don't hoard your souls (unless you are saving for something), if you can go up one level, go up one level.

[ElPresidente]

I'd actually suggest the Temple Knight as a good starting character if you're having trouble. I find the Royal is too squishy for beginning players until it starts specialising.

The biggest tip I can give early on is to really pay attention to your environment and the space your currently chosen weapon takes up.

In a tunnel? Stick to a spear. Fighting multiple enemies in an open space? Bust out weapons with wide swing arcs like axes and swords.

More importantly than anything else is to take things slowly. Remember Demon's Souls is determined to take you down. Death is around every corner so proceed accordingly.

Pay close attention to your equipment weight capacity too. Carry too much and you will severely hamper your ability to move in combat which I need not tell you can and will be fatal.

Don't be afraid to run back to areas you have cleared if things are getting hectic. Take a trip back to the Nexus if you are starting to feel overwhelmed and have a good stock of souls in the kitty. Once you have a better feel for the game you can start to take risks, explore more deeply without returning to the Nexus.

Also don't forget to use items like sharpstone to boost your equipment stats too.

[Beinkasaurus Rex]

I'm going to order this next week, Super8 chuck me an add on PSN please!

[igotnewsuper8systemWRONG!]

Will do, just for the record I stopped playing this game because it's a little too addictive, if anyone gets has a soul level round 100 though and wants me to blue soul with them I'll join in.

[Beinkasaurus Rex]

You stopped playing because it's too addictive? Thats awesome! =D

[igotnewsuper8systemWRONG!]

Yeah, a friend of mine started playing at the same time, he's still playing it now. He must have played it through 3 or 4 times by now, but he has devoted himself to keeping a well equipped low level character so he can invade newbies games and ruin their days.

[ElPresidente]

Oh that's mean! :P

I love it.

[igotnewsuper8systemWRONG!]

I gotta admit I love in invading people too, I love grabbing my 2 biggest weapons, equipping the graverobbers ring and the thief ring, hiding in areas where I know there are hard enemies, and sending intimidating messages to the guy whose game I have invaded over PSN. I stopped doing it though after I lost about 10 levels from accidentally falling off things.

[super_deformed]

hey is playing as a Knight harder than other classes? Cause Ive decided the Knight looks cool. And if Im going to die I wanna look cool.

So does anyone ever parry attack (L2 ->R1)? Or is it an overly risky waste of time?

[Nic Xtreme]

Just started playing this - I'm a Temple Knight, thanks ElPres! I'm loving it! I died at the monster at the end of the tutorial, though it seemed impossible! I played that first castle level for a good thirty mins until I took a path that opened a gate, gave me a ring, and opened a shortcut to the start of the level! I hope that stays open because after that I went back to the Nexus and saved. Not quite sure what is going on, but the game kicks arse, and I love the battle system! I know that when I do die, it will be a fair, avoidable death - it just seems like something that, as long as you learn to play it, it will be manageable. I'm handling enemies much better now (parry ftw) than I was thirty minutes ago.

I'll eat my words later, surely.

How do I turn back into human body form? Or is Soul form better? Do I have to finish the first area to level up? I guess I'll find out.

[super_deformed]

I know that when I do die, it will be a fair, avoidable death As fair as a rolling boulder out of nowhere. I didnt find that bit particularly avoidable. Pretty sure I needed to climb those stairs.

[igotnewsuper8systemWRONG!]

How do I turn back into human body form? Or is Soul form better? Do I have to finish the first area to level up? I guess I'll find out.

There's a couple of ways to turn back into human form, you can defeat a boss, you can defeat a boss in someone else's game as a blue phantom (you get the blue eye stone after the first boss), you can use an item (stone of ephemeral eyes iirc), or you can invade someones game and kill them (pretty sure you get red eye stone after defeating your first black phantom npc).

I prefer human form for the full health and because you can summon blue phantoms, though while in soul form you're safe from black phantom invasions.

You do have to finish the first area to level up.

ps. judging by your impressions so far you're going to be completely smitten by everything in this game.

pps. with everyone talking about the game I've decided to start playing again, I never did get far in new game+

[Campdog]

hey is playing as a Knight harder than other classes? Cause Ive decided the Knight looks cool. And if Im going to die I wanna look cool.

So does anyone ever parry attack (L2 ->R1)? Or is it an overly risky waste of time?

I cant say i used parry much. Maybe in the tutorial but that was about it. When i got enough strength for the Purple Flame Shield i used that to block with and then later on i figured out that using my weapon with 2 hands was far more effective.

Knights are cool but also Temple Knights are pretty good as well and you start of with a heal which can be useful but you also start with a talisman of the beast so you can cast faith spells right from the beginning. Oh and temple Knights start off with some very nice starting gear.

Whyme, I played the majority of the game in soul form. I did that to control world tenancy so when i died i didnt make the game harder for myself :P

[Nic Xtreme]

Sweet, thanks for your help everyone! I've gotta definitely find time to knock over the first area! I can't wait to play more!

Also super_deformed re: that rock - you did read the message that said 'trap ahead' didn't you? It was just before the boulder thus making you aware of your surroundings - looking around, you can then see the rock up the staircase!

[ElPresidente]

hey is playing as a Knight harder than other classes? Cause Ive decided the Knight looks cool. And if Im going to die I wanna look cool.

So does anyone ever parry attack (L2 ->R1)? Or is it an overly risky waste of time?

The Knight is a good all rounder character. The main differentiator between the knight and the Temple Knight is that the latter has a stronger focus on vitality and miracle use while the former is more rounded. Overall the Knight starts off slightly less powerful than the Temple Knight but that is offset by a lower soul level meaning your first few stat upgrades will be cheaper than for the Temple Knight.

From a looks thing as you move through the game you'll be replacing your starting armour so your starting class really only defines your visual appearance for the first part of the game.

Just started playing this - I'm a Temple Knight, thanks ElPres! I'm loving it! I died at the monster at the end of the tutorial, though it seemed impossible! I played that first castle level for a good thirty mins until I took a path that opened a gate, gave me a ring, and opened a shortcut to the start of the level! I hope that stays open because after that I went back to the Nexus and saved. Not quite sure what is going on, but the game kicks arse, and I love the battle system! I know that when I do die, it will be a fair, avoidable death - it just seems like something that, as long as you learn to play it, it will be manageable. I'm handling enemies much better now (parry ftw) than I was thirty minutes ago.

Those shortcuts stay open. They are the key concession the developers made to ensure that you don't have to retread the same old ground too often once you've got an area down pat. Each level has these short cuts scattered about. They are rarely hidden and careful exploration will reveal their presence.

[Nic Xtreme]

The online is really fantastic, and it really helps you as you play through. You never feel quite alone with all the messages around you! I just beat the Phalanx, but died twice trying to cross that dragon bridge. It's great how you learn to play the levels - it took me an hour and many health items to make my way through the level initially, but now I can just run through in three minutes and use no healing...this game gives you true satisfaction many games just lack. It's damn good!

[super_deformed]

btw Ive decided to keep my copy. And teh silly art book and soundtrack. Stil not hooked but I appreciate what it's doing. And you all relay your experiences with such enthusiasm...

[McChimp]

Yeah, patience is the key, because it does have little things that'll hook you bit-by-bit, given time. It really is something of a unique, fresh experience that needs to at least be attempted.

[Campdog]

btw Ive decided to keep my copy. And teh silly art book and soundtrack. Stil not hooked but I appreciate what it's doing. And you all relay your experiences with such enthusiasm...

Keep trying and soon enough it will hook you. Just try different things untill you find one that you really like. I stopped and stared the game several times before i found a starting character that i really enjoyed.

[Smeaton]

This game is so punishing and rewarding at the same time. I recently lost 11,000 souls on my way back to fighting the temple knight boss....6000 of these were from killing a dragon with my 15attck soul arrow attack! (took about an hour). Loving it and totally hooked!

[igotnewsuper8systemWRONG!]

There's a good area for farming right at the start of 4-2, you'll get 11,000 souls there in no time

[REQUIEM]

Anyone know the cheapest place to get this. I have looked abit and it seems its going to cost me $70 ish to get to Aus.

[adam_91vn]

Anyone know the cheapest place to get this. I have looked abit and it seems its going to cost me $70 ish to get to Aus.

I got it for $50 last week on ebay

[REQUIEM]

I got it for $50 last week on ebay

Thanks just grabbed it from Ebay for $24.99 buynow $ and $19.99 postage. Bargain IMO. I hope its as good as I have been hearing.

[McChimp]

Even if it doesn't grab you straight away, keep plugging away at it, 'cos it WILL grow on you.

[REQUIEM]

My copy arrived from HK today and so far its good. The save points are miles away from each other dam... I like the style and the asian copy I recieved is like their version of are platinum of something called 'the best'. Asian manual is huge and the english info is on a sheet smaller than A4 lol.

[igotnewsuper8systemWRONG!]

My copy arrived from HK today and so far its good. The save points are miles away from each other dam... I like the style and the asian copy I recieved is like their version of are platinum of something called 'the best'. Asian manual is huge and the english info is on a sheet smaller than A4 lol.

There are no save points, you press start (or go to the menu I forget) and quit game, it will save where ever you are.

[Stevorooni]

Coming to Australia June 25 (http://www.kotaku.com.au/2010/04/demons-souls-aussie-limited-edition-revealed/#more-388922)

[McChimp]

In a nice new Collector's package too! Lucky bastards, those of you who haven't got it yet! I love it, but not enough to buy another copy!

[JubeiSaotome]

Man, that's so late you may aswell just import it. I bet you can get it for like $10 by now.

[REQUIEM]

Man, that's so late you may aswell just import it. I bet you can get it for like $10 by now.

I paid $24.99 2 weeks ago from ebay. ($20 postage)

[ElPresidente]

Started this over again the other day... had hit a bit of a wall due to some leveling mistakes earlier that left me struggling against physical attack resistant foes.

Even going over old ground I've been through time and time again is exhilarating. Love this game!

[Stevorooni]

Hooray I finally got somewhere and got my first Demon Soul! :p Take that, slug turd thing!

[ElPresidente]

Phalanx sounds a lot better than slug, turd thing. :P

The next boss you fight - The Tower Knight - is much more awesome.

[Stevorooni]

There was another fog door at the rear of the room where I fought sluggie but I just touched the sword to go back to the nexus before retiring for the night. Is it worth me going back in there to see what's through that door or should I just check out another world now?

[igotnewsuper8systemWRONG!]

There was another fog door at the rear of the room where I fought sluggie but I just touched the sword to go back to the nexus before retiring for the night. Is it worth me going back in there to see what's through that door or should I just check out another world now?

Through that door is the next part of the level, 1-2. You can go wherever you want but it might be worth going there next. Be sure to summon a couple of blue phantoms to keep you company.

[ElPresidente]

I believe the best approach when starting is 1-1, 1-2 then hit the Stonefang Tunnels (3-1).

[igotnewsuper8systemWRONG!]

I've just started a new game and finished 1-1, mind if I add you guys on PSN?

[ElPresidente]

ElPrezAU

[igotnewsuper8systemWRONG!]

What's your soul level?

[ElPresidente]

Can't remember but like yourself I wiped my character recently and started over. I've only just defeated Phalanx.

[REQUIEM]

Can't remember but like yourself I wiped my character recently and started over. I've only just defeated Phalanx.

I have defeated him with the Knight and its my first playthrough. The constent repairs are getting annoying and im only on the 2nd level. Do the levels get easier than the first?

[igotnewsuper8systemWRONG!]

Summon people to help.

I just had a black phantom invade my game and help me out by running ahead and killing all the monsters, but he kept killing all the blue phantoms I summoned... then towards the end he killed me...

[Stevorooni]

Playing as a hunter, I've been doing a fair bit of grinding by repeatedly doing the dragon path (1-2) getting around 1000 souls at a time so I could upgrade my armour and weapons and also increase my stats a bit. Finally made it up to the tower knight, took out all the archers but the bastard killed me in the end. Back I go again

[REQUIEM]

I have started to grind level 1-1. Where can I get better armour? I have my sword coming along nicely but the 2 smiths only repair not upgrade. I probably havent unlocked it.

[igotnewsuper8systemWRONG!]

Go to 3-2 and Kill Yurt then take his stuff. If you want to wear good armor make sure you have the ring of great strength and well upgraded whatever upgrades equip burden.

[REQUIEM]

Go to 3-2 and Kill Yurt then take his stuff. If you want to wear good armor make sure you have the ring of great strength and well upgraded whatever upgrades equip burden.

Your info is greatly appreciated.

[igotnewsuper8systemWRONG!]

What you have to do is keep your equipped amount under half of your equip burden, you can go over half but you will be slower and rolling will be futile.

[Stevorooni]

Yay Tower Knight is dead!


EDIT: and now the big spider thing is too, first part of Stonefang tunnels wasn't so bad

[adam_91vn]

Started playing this last night.

When I died during the end of the tutorial I thought **** this shit. (Didn't realise this was supposed to happen until later )

Then some blue guy kept killing me in the nexus. (Was this a real person?)

Kept on playing and started enjoying it. :laugh:

So let me get this straight:

You die you lose your souls
If you get back to were you died you get half back
If you die again you can't get them back.

The red dudes are peoples last seconds of there life
The messages are there to help you
The white dudes are actual people playing at same time.

Playing as a knight, good choice or not?

[igotnewsuper8systemWRONG!]

Then some blue guy kept killing me in the nexus. (Was this a real person?)

He's an NPC, though he only starts attacking you if you attack him first, he is a douche and I recommend killing him before he dies. Earlier on it's easier to just lure him up the stairs then push him off.


So let me get this straight:

1) You die you lose your souls
2) If you get back to were you died you get half back
3) If you die again you can't get them back.

4) The red dudes are peoples last seconds of there life
5) The messages are there to help you
6) The white dudes are actual people playing at same time.

Playing as a knight, good choice or not?

Wrong on a few of those, I've added numbers to make this easier.

1) Yes
2) You get them all back
3) If you die on the way to your bloodstain they are gone, but then you have a new bloodstain.

4) Touching a bloodstain (the red dudes) shows you how someone died, handy for traps, things you might roll off, etc.
5) Some of the messages might be trying to fool you, anyone can write messages. If someone recommends a message you wrote while you're playing you will get your health refilled, this is why so many messages are simply asking for help.
6) Correct, it's a really nice touch.

As for playing as a Knight, I generally think if you can get through the first area then you're good. After that you can upgrade whatever stats you please or wear whatever you wish as long as you have the stats.

[REQUIEM]

Started playing this last night.

When I died during the end of the tutorial I thought **** this shit. (Didn't realise this was supposed to happen until later )

Then some blue guy kept killing me in the nexus. (Was this a real person?)

Kept on playing and started enjoying it. :laugh:

So let me get this straight:

You die you lose your souls
If you get back to were you died you get half back
If you die again you can't get them back.

The red dudes are peoples last seconds of there life
The messages are there to help you
The white dudes are actual people playing at same time.

Playing as a knight, good choice or not?

Grind lvl 1-1 for souls to gain better gear when you first start.

[AnTrAxX]

armor spider is pissing me off.

[AnTrAxX]

armor spider is dead, thanks to keeping left (where one can't be hit) and shooting arrows. Flamelurker now...I've just given up on melee weapons.

[ElPresidente]

I'm all about the melee myself.

[Stevorooni]

I beat the spider on my first go just by hacking with my axe.

I do have a +5 axe though

[borgster101]

I used Melee and Bow .. as getting close often was too dangerous :p

Probably should get around to playing through this again :/

[igotnewsuper8systemWRONG!]

Large sword of searching or GTFO

[/backslash]

Entered a comp to win this, hopefully I do because I think I'd regret it if I paid full price (too much dying & not forgiving) :p Can't find it at GAME for $18 so that's a dead-end

Do you find armour in this game or do you always have to use your souls to purchase it? Can you lose items from dying?

I was reading an article in the latest issue of EDGE where they were talking about doing a sequel & their ideas for the original game where they were so critical on making it hardcore that they considered deleting your save file if you died! Luckily they decided that'd be a tad too harsh :D (And went with the "half your health back" thing)

[ElPresidente]

Armor is found. For instance you can get rags in 1-1. The fluted armor set in 3-1. Some armor is found as drops, some on the ground already and the rest from bosses.

[/backslash]

Can you find rare stuff on random occasions or is it like "you will always get this when you kill this guy"?

Noticed that its $77 at EB, I could get it and if I don't like it after a few days I could return it and put it towards something else
"Can I pre-order Ni no Kuni please?"
EB: "Huh?"

Its $54 incl p&h on Videogamesplus.ca atm (standard with artbook + ost but no strategy guide) but I'm curious if the UK will quickly lower their price after a while so I'd be less inclined to sell it. Arrghhh, if only I saw it at GAME for $18...

If I could pause in-game I'd probably put my foot down instead of having to worry about possible distractions

[REQUIEM]

, if only I saw it at GAME for $18...

I have been in several GAMES over the past 3 days and bar beyonetta and some old tiles I havent seen DEMON SOUL that cheap anywhere even 2nd hand.

[/backslash]

Its meant to be $18 p/o (because it was around before release date - thus imported copy). Might look a bit different, in an asian/american case maybe. I asked the guy at GAME but there was only 1 copy which was north of Perth & they can't transfer games to their store :( Stupid...

[ElPresidente]

Can you find rare stuff on random occasions or is it like "you will always get this when you kill this guy"?

Not so much in weapons and armour but certainly in terms of ores and other consumables.

Each monster type has a series of drops with different percentage chances of appearing for each. Luck and world tendency has a role to play as well. High luck or a darker world tendency will produce better drop rates on rarer items.

Then there are crystal lizards. These elusive bastards are tricky to catch. Being in soul form with the thieves ring, knowing where they will appear ahead of time and having a good bow or spell ready really helps. These guys drop valuable ores. The most important lizard in the game is in 2-1 (or 2-2, can't quite remember atm) which drops spider stone and is the only reliable source for that ore.

[pecka_a]

I'm still stuck on 1-1 ha ha I'm trying to figure out what character to use.

[REQUIEM]

I'm still stuck on 1-1 ha ha I'm trying to figure out what character to use.

Get used to playing as a Knight as they are great once you get some gear IMO.

[ElPresidente]

Agreed. The Knight is a good first character to start with.

[pecka_a]

thanks for the tip

[Spazzallo]

Everywhere is sold out of this game :(.

[/backslash]

Everywhere is sold out of this game :(.
Like the UK I think they're phasing out the 'Phantom Edition' & replacing it with a cheaper standard copy

[Allick]

When I got it the other day it was sold out at both Game and EB. Luckily JB had one copy left.

This game is seriously freaking me out. I finished the first level (using the walkthrough for some parts) and I'm now up to the tunnels. I find that I never feel like playing it, but when I am playing I really enjoy it. The same thing happened a while ago with Civ IV. The other night I was lying in bed and I started thinking about playing the game and I found the idea really daunting, I think I have a problem. I think in the last week or so I've only played three times (I normally play a new game I get much more than this). Does playing get any easier as you progress? Because after I levelled up some stats I returned to the first level to farm, and found it really easy and fun, but when I started the next level I found it too hard. Should I go back to the nexus and level up some more or should I just keep going?

[REQUIEM]

When I got it the other day it was sold out at both Game and EB. Luckily JB had one copy left.

This game is seriously freaking me out. I finished the first level (using the walkthrough for some parts) and I'm now up to the tunnels. I find that I never feel like playing it, but when I am playing I really enjoy it. The same thing happened a while ago with Civ IV. The other night I was lying in bed and I started thinking about playing the game and I found the idea really daunting, I think I have a problem. I think in the last week or so I've only played three times (I normally play a new game I get much more than this). Does playing get any easier as you progress? Because after I levelled up some stats I returned to the first level to farm, and found it really easy and fun, but when I started the next level I found it too hard. Should I go back to the nexus and level up some more or should I just keep going?

As I have posted earlier in this thread you need to grind to get better gear or it the game just treats you like a ranga fat stepchild.

[Spazzallo]

Like the UK I think they're phasing out the 'Phantom Edition' & replacing it with a cheaper standard copy

Standards going to be the same price :(. Spoken to 2 JB's and they think Thursday so hopefully I'll have it by then. I really wanted the guide that came with the CE though :(.

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Standards going to be the same price :(. Spoken to 2 JB's and they think Thursday so hopefully I'll have it by then. I really wanted the guide that came with the CE though :(.
Really? It'll be 20 pounds cheaper in the UK (down from RRP 50 pounds to 30 pounds). Stupid Australia

[Spazzallo]

Really? It'll be 20 pounds cheaper in the UK (down from RRP 50 pounds to 30 pounds). Stupid Australia

I need sooner rather than later :p I don't mind paying a little bit extra, plus I like local copies of games I'm going to enjoy. Would've ordered the game off Ebay over a week ago had I'd known JB's order was going to be delayed. Is the game long?

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If you keep on dying, the game can take 100s of hours to finish :p You could look at EB, they have it for $77 but its only instock at selected stores

[REQUIEM]

If all else fails:

http://www.game.com.au/demons-souls/playstation-3/DSOULSPS3

Great delivery time 3 working days max.

edit: Just found this: CHEAPEST DEMON SOULS $48 DELIVERED.

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/DEMON-S-SOULS-NEW-SEALED-PlayStation-3-PS3-Game-/180534725498?cmd=ViewItem&pt=AU_PC_Video_Games_Games&hash=item2a08b54b7a

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edit: Just found this: CHEAPEST DEMON SOULS $48 DELIVERED.

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/DEMON-S-SOULS-NEW-SEALED-PlayStation-3-PS3-Game-/180534725498?cmd=ViewItem&pt=AU_PC_Video_Games_Games&hash=item2a08b54b7a
That's normal pricing though on more reputable sites like Play-Asia. There's better US/UK copies around anyway

Its $70 incl p&h on fishpond.com.au for the Phantom Edition but they've soldout atm

[REQUIEM]

Its $70 incl p&h on fishpond.com.au for the Phantom Edition but they've soldout atm

who needs trinkets $48 delivered registered is a way better deal.

[Spazzallo]

I really am after the local edition and I absolutely hate having platinum or best seller versions of anything (I'm a tad picky) but if JB don't have the game by Thursday I'll most likely import for $48, cheers. GAME sold out too btw :(.

[Ingram]

I think I will try to score the cheaper version from JB this Thursday. Though I'm sad that I didn't get the BP edition.

[Spazzallo]

My copies in today at :D Hopefully it's the collectors!

[Zace]

Considering purchasing this game. However I've just gotten back my PC with all the steam games I bought from the sale, gained about 6 new games by buying a new xbox and muramasa just came in the mail. Is there anyway this can be condensed into some form of 10 hour experience?

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Is there anyway this can be condensed into some form of 10 hour experience?
No, you need time to play this properly. If you haven't got time, don't bother ;) Unless you're some almighty god player who always knows what to do in any situation at precisely the right moments :p

[igotnewsuper8systemWRONG!]

Is there anyway this can be condensed into some form of 10 hour experience?

Only if you know exactly what your doing. I'm sure the speed run guys must finish this is just a couple of hours.

[Spazzallo]

So it was the Collectors Edition and thank God for that, I'd be screwed already without this guide. Haven't even finished 1-1 yet and I've already realised that this game can only get harder ><.

[AnTrAxX]

I started this again after getting the PAL release, and I've gotten further than last time. I chose Temple Knight cause I wanted to be a tank with a big a*** weapon, but after the 1-1 I realised that magic is a massive help, that and dodging.

To help, after 1-1, get Flame Toss and a big shield (steel would do) and head to 4-1 (shrine of storms). Those rolling silver skeletons are intimidating but Flame Toss them, then when they roll at you just block until their attack is done so you can hit them. After a few deaths, you can make it to the top of the hill, turn left at the gate and try make a break for the Crescent Falchion +1. Don't feel too bad about the Black Skeleton killing you, its definitely worth it this early in the game. Makes all of Stonefang Tunnels a cakewalk.

[ElPresidente]

From a press release...

Atlus U.S.A., Inc. today announced it would continue supporting servers for online play in Demon's Souls™, 2009's Game of the Year* for PlayStation®3 computer entertainment system, through at least March 2011.

"We are proud to maintain our commitment to the Demon's Souls online community by extending our support for the game's servers, allowing current and new players to continue to enjoy the game's vast online feature set," stated Aram Jabbari, Manager of PR and Sales for Atlus. "One of the highest-rated, most talked about games of all time, Demon's Souls is defined by its groundbreaking online functionality. No other game better marries suspenseful, claustrophobic solitude with unprecedented cooperative and competitive multiplayer connectivity. Each game world, each individual's adventure, can be bridged with those of others', making for one of the most startlingly grand yet deeply intimate RPG experiences ever created."

To celebrate the announcement, the game server's World Tendency, a variable that can make the game more or less difficult and unlock secrets depending on its setting, will be shifted to Pure White for a couple weeks, making the notoriously challenging game slightly easier for newcomers while also allowing long-time veterans to reach otherwise inaccessible areas and items.

Note: This may just be for the NA release

[Xanafalgue]

I want this game

[ElPresidente]

Now that the online aspects are probably over (hard to tell with PSN down :P but it is still awesome without them) it is probably better waiting for Dark Souls, the sequel.

[Xanafalgue]

Servers are now up until October, which is also when Dark Souls is released!

[R@mb0]

sweet, woop woop

[igotnewsuper8systemWRONG!]

Now that the online aspects are probably over (hard to tell with PSN down :P but it is still awesome without them) it is probably better waiting for Dark Souls, the sequel.

Please, still easy to find people online... on the US version anyway

[ElPresidente]

So the servers are still up? Sweet.

In which case GO GO GO.

*I'd said 'probably' in the last post since the last I'd heard from Atlus on the servers was they were going to be shut down in March. Very happy that isn't the case* :)

I think it's time for a return to Demon's Souls then. Never tire of this game.

[Xanafalgue]

yey I'll pick it up tonight when I go shopping (EXCITING). Sucks PSN is still down.

[Xanafalgue]

Please, still easy to find people online... on the US version anyway

Yeah, ****ing weeaboo's and other social misfits. I wish I could buy armour that said I HAVE IRL FRIENDS.

In DIAMANTES.

[Xanafalgue]

This game is great! OH ASIDE FROM RESTARTING THE LEVEL WHEN I DIE!

I assumed the foggy doors you enter acted as some kind of checkpoint... I guess not!

[igotnewsuper8systemWRONG!]

This game is great! OH ASIDE FROM RESTARTING THE LEVEL WHEN I DIE!

I assumed the foggy doors you enter acted as some kind of checkpoint... I guess not!

Hahahaha look at this baby expecting checkpoints in a level

[Xanafalgue]

****. Should not have gone with the Knight.

I'm going to restart as A ROYAL.

[ElPresidente]

There's a night class that does some magic - can't remember the name - but that is one of the best classes to start out with.

[igotnewsuper8systemWRONG!]

Started as a Royal the first time I played, made it through 1-1 without dying once. I've started 2 new characters since, never been able to make it though 1-1 again without dying.

[JubeiSaotome]

I have a temple guard, **** yeah spears.

[igotnewsuper8systemWRONG!]

I carry 2 dragon bone smashers

[Xanafalgue]

Restarted as a Royal, the dip in health and defence was immediately apparent.

The flame arrow thingy is a HUGE help though, especially with archers and the like.

Still haven't completed 1-1.... :mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

[Xanafalgue]

I DID IT.

Finally.

[igotnewsuper8systemWRONG!]

Now wait for PSN to start working and you can play properly

[Xanafalgue]

Does it really add much to the game? I'm not waiting for PSN to go up, could be years.

[Xanafalgue]

OMG Ostrava is not in 1-2 NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[igotnewsuper8systemWRONG!]

Does it really add much to the game? I'm not waiting for PSN to go up, could be years.

Yep, adds heaps. I simply won't bother playing offline.

[Xanafalgue]

Yep, adds heaps. I simply won't bother playing offline.

Okay this is pissing me off now because I have been told that there is a note left on the ground in the tunnel leading up to the Armoured Spider where the Royal (ME) can stand and beat it easily using Soul Arrows. Unfortunately, that useless piece of shit (PSN) is down and thus I was FORCED TO DIE.

2-1 is a great level btw.

[Xanafalgue]

Tower Knight was very easy :cool:

[Xanafalgue]

Ugh, Flamelurker is a ****

There were a lot of people playing before, it's kind of fun playing DS online! There are warnings left by other players everywhere though, takes you out of the game a little.

[ElPresidente]

I'd say only if you'd not played it that way first. To me, blank floors take me out of the game. :P

[Xanafalgue]

Yeah I see what you mean now, DS online is very cool.

I love this game ^_^

[Roman Salute]

The best bit about Demons Souls online for me was when I was going through NG+++, I was running up the stairs to fight the 3-3 Old Monk boss when I see an invasion message, turns out the player that invaded my game was controlling the Boss. It was way more intense and difficult fighting that boss like that with lots of rolling and healing from both of us, I eventually won though ;)

I've never seen that happen in any other 3D game, it's a brilliant concept that should be used more often. I can't wait to see all the crazy shit they've come up with for Dark Souls.

[Xanafalgue]

I'm scared shitless of being invaded! I'm doing 3-1 atm, the prisoners are vile.

[Xanafalgue]

3-1 sucks, I keep dying and I'm stuck!

[igotnewsuper8systemWRONG!]

Are the servers working properly after the whole PSN crash?

Which other stages have you done?

[Xanafalgue]

Servers are fine. I've been playing for 12 hours and I've only completed 1-1, 1-2, 2-1 & 2-2 :/

I tried 4-1 and ran away from the skeleton haha

[igotnewsuper8systemWRONG!]

4-1 is pretty easy. keep your guard up or use the worlds greatest shortcut

[igotnewsuper8systemWRONG!]

I'm scared shitless of being invaded! I'm doing 3-1 atm, the prisoners are vile.

Because of the 3-3 boss, getting invaded in 3-1 or 3-2 is less likely than anywhere else in the game. Still possible, just less likely.

[Xanafalgue]

4-1 is pretty easy. keep your guard up or use the worlds greatest shortcut

I thought the worlds greatest shortcut was in 2-1!

[igotnewsuper8systemWRONG!]

Nope, 4-1.

Are you talking about just running through the fire in 2-1? Shortcut in 4-1 destroys it.

[Xanafalgue]

Oh sorry, I mean 2-2. You know how you start in the tunnel, just go right and you can jump all the way down to Flamelurker in less than 2 minutes!

[igotnewsuper8systemWRONG!]

Oh that, yeah thats a pretty big shortcut but it's an obvious one... And I always die doing it. The shortcut in 4-1 isn't obvious, cuts out a huge chunk of the level and takes you straight to the boss who is super easy.

[Xanafalgue]

Finished 3-1, boss was super easy, the black phantom before it was harder!

Died on 2-3 because I got stuck in the environment :rolleyes:

[igotnewsuper8systemWRONG!]

Congrats now you can invade people, invading people so fun. Have you got pure white world tendency in 2? Be sure to grab the Dragon Bone Smasher.

[Xanafalgue]

OMG I want to invade :O

[igotnewsuper8systemWRONG!]

Whats your level? I'll blue soul for you.

[Xanafalgue]

I think 27 or 28.

[Xanafalgue]

1-3 is kicking my arse btw. **** those dogs.

[igotnewsuper8systemWRONG!]

Lol call me when ur a real man

[Xanafalgue]

SHUT UP

Royalty starts at lvl 1 >_>

[igotnewsuper8systemWRONG!]

Lol call me when ur a real man

.....

[ElPresidente]

Grab a spear, creep ahead slowly and try to kite them one or two at a time and then thrust when they leap at you. The trick is not to take on too many at once.

[Xanafalgue]

I've been using magic almost exclusively along with the Kris Blade, but I DO have a Winged Spear that has been levelled up a bit on me just in case. Seems like I'll be using it a lot in 1-3 because from what I've seen there is very little room for arm movement.

I also just got Geri's Stiletto but I'm unsure as to whether I should bother replacing the Kris Blade with it or not. Game doesn't really do much in the way of explaining... well, anything.

[igotnewsuper8systemWRONG!]

Game doesn't really do much in the way of explaining... well, anything.

Sorry mate but this isn't a game on the bloody Wii Babys console

[Xanafalgue]

Why are all the stats displayed in those ridiculous pictures, I am not a Viking, I do not read runes.

[igotnewsuper8systemWRONG!]

Time to become a viking

[Xanafalgue]

Well I'm down with the RAPING.