Oh man, I just can't choose between a PS3 and Xbox360 for Xmas so I've come here for

[sausage]

Christ knows what; probably a shit fight but no matter, my question will probably be answered.

I plan on getting the following games when I make my decision:

1. Oblivion/Bioshock combo.
2. Fallout 3 GOTY
3. Borderlands
4. DA: Origins



I don't multiplay but if I feel the need the extra expense of having to get a xbox wireless thingy won't be a big deal.

Don't plan on getting into blu-ray any time soon so that's not a issue either. I have no interest in exclusives so they're out too.

So it comes down to graphics/how it runs/loading times. So which of the above games run better on what system?

OK GO...

[Creedy]

Can you opt for a pc graphics card instead? These games should all be played on pc, you'll get much better graphics and better frame rates. Getting a graphics card should allow you to hook it up to your lcd/plasma with ease too.

[Azzaman]

Yup, I have all those games on pc and I wouldn't have it any other way.

I have to admit the only reason I'm playing my ps3 more then my 360 is because the online is free. It sounds like you don't care about the difference between the consoles and cbf'ed with online so I'd say 360 as you could get one cheaper then a ps3.

[Sweating Bullets]

I'd lean towards the 360 also as it will be cheaper

[McChimp]

12 months ago I would've said go with 360, hands-down. Not so much now. I think PS3's getting a stronger line-up of exclusive titles and seems to be AT LAST making up for lost time, dwindling in the 'third place'. And yeah, PSN's free, which is always a bonus.

[concrete donkey]

The 360 is a the best option all round. the best controller. The best Online support and heaps better exclusives than sonys waste of money. Uncharted 2? Just play a friends copy. Its over in 10 hours and then what are you going to play? Get a 360.

[Campdog]

If they are the only games you plan on playing then defiantly put the money into a new graphics card like some of the suggestions above but if you have to get a console and thats it then go for the 360. It will be cheaper. Those games all play very similar on each system. What one does the other cant and vise versa.

Here is a comparison for the console versions of Dragon Age

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/xbox-360-vs-ps3-face-off-round-23

Personally though i think that the PS3 offers more out of the box and has better exclusives that i want to play.

[Lazlow]

Christ knows what; probably a shit fight but no matter, my question will probably be answered.

I plan on getting the following games when I make my decision:

1. Oblivion/Bioshock combo.
2. Fallout 3 GOTY
3. Borderlands
4. DA: Origins



I don't multiplay but if I feel the need the extra expense of having to get a xbox wireless thingy won't be a big deal.

Don't plan on getting into blu-ray any time soon so that's not a issue either. I have no interest in exclusives so they're out too.

So it comes down to graphics/how it runs/loading times. So which of the above games run better on what system?

OK GO...

Based on your criteria (which people to be ignoring) I'd say the XBOX360 is a go. Generally multiplatform titles perform better on it, and if you opt to go online Live is a solid service that is well populated (as evidenced on these boards)

That's if upgrading your PC to run those games is out of the question.

[JubeiSaotome]

I'd actually say that PS3 or 360 is a choice you should make. All of those games seem to run equally on both systems. If any games on whatever system HAS had bugs, they've long been fixed for those games.

Look at each library and see what future games you want to try or what current library titles you'd love to get a hold of.

[Pauly]

Do you like both controllers equally? Because to me the 360 controller is much better. But that just comes down to personal preference. Multi platform games seem to, more often than not, run better on 360 too.

[Serenity]

360 is much cheaper. I'm a recent convert. The whole system is great.

[igotnewsuper8systemWRONG!]

If you really don't care about exclusives, playing online, watching blu rays, and those the the only 5 games you will ever want, then I see no reason why you should get the more expensive console. Get a 360, then put $5 aside every payday so you're good when it red rings.

Uncharted 2? Just play a friends copy. Its over in 10 hours and then what are you going to play? Get a 360.

Fact, Uncharted 2 is the only game on ps3.

[Pauly]

Get a 360, then put $5 aside every payday so you're good when it red rings.
Yeah, I guess that money can go to some booze while you wait for them to ship it back.

[igotnewsuper8systemWRONG!]

I was thinking hookers but whatever

[JubeiSaotome]

Also, if you're a pad user for fighting games, the 360 pad is not suited to fighting games.

[igotnewsuper8systemWRONG!]

Sausage name some games you have enjoyed in the past

[Lazlow]

SDF to the rescue! :p

[JubeiSaotome]

sdf to the rescue! :p

xbros in pursuit

[igotnewsuper8systemWRONG!]

SDF to the rescue! :p

Hey buddy I told him to get a 360. Sure I was foaming at the mouth and my hands were shaking while I typed, but given what Sausage has told us, this is definitely a rare case where the 360 is a logical choice.

[JubeiSaotome]

Im not a sony fanboy i owned a gameboy when i was 10

[igotnewsuper8systemWRONG!]

And I used to family friends with a guy who owned a gameboy

[adam_91vn]

360 /thread

Edit: Azzaman (http://www.hyper.com.au/forums/member.php?u=1883) xbox live works out to be like 1 cent a day

[igotnewsuper8systemWRONG!]

Wouldn't that make it $3.65 for a year?

[Natrak]

Get out of here with your "math"!

[Starscream]

This again?

Xbox 360

/end thread

[Saxby]

This is mostly a X360 forum base so you will mostly get that as an answer. But there is a reason for that, it has generally been a better console over the last few years and PS3 has only recently caught up in terms of giving you something better.

I still don't have much of an urge to get a PS3 after 3 years and my 360 has been the best console I've ever owned as is constantly giving me better options and more fun. The live service can be costly, but is absolutely awesome.

The only reason I would get a PS3 is for uncharted and demon's souls. Everything else that I want is on the 360, especially in the Arcade line-up.

[adam_91vn]

My bad 12 cents a day

[Natrak]

Haha, wow. Still not right.

[JubeiSaotome]

ps3 is free online, ABC iView (Unmetered on node) and the HDD can be upgraded with minimal hassle and cost.

[igotnewsuper8systemWRONG!]

My bad 12 cents a day

MOney Bags, hope one day I'm a millionaire

[igotnewsuper8systemWRONG!]

ps3 is free online, ABC iView (Unmetered on node) and the HDD can be upgraded with minimal hassle and cost.

Lets not forget about play tv

[Lazlow]

Except when its sport... like DTM. Couldn't find it on the net, and the 5 set DVD for the last 5 seasons cost something like $250 to import to Australia.

[igotnewsuper8systemWRONG!]

Excuse me Adam but are you suggesting that I break the law?

[Azzaman]

I'm a cheap-ass, what can I say.

[adam_91vn]

Excuse me Adam but are you suggesting that I break the law?


Do as you will.


Don't get me wrong. I think about buying a ps3 everyday. But I can't justify it. I have a backlog on the 360, I can't be bothered setting another console up (internet etc) and most of the games and the people I play with are on the 360. Blurays tv etc I get through other means.

I don't want to be one of these people trying to sell there ps3 because it doesn't get used.

[adam_91vn]

I'm a cheap-ass, what can I say.


Do you want a 48hr code :p

[sausage]

Sausage name some games you have enjoyed in the past

Wow thread's going great guns. Ok, I've been PC up until recently and have enjoyed (funnily enough) all the games on my OP list bar DA:Origins and Borderlands on PC.

Loved Witcher, both KOTORs, HL2, STALKER, Titan Quest, Far Cry 2...

I know that sounds like a PC fanboy but I want a console; simple as that.

[StorminNorman]

ABC iView (Unmetered on node)

Just so you know, iView on the PS3 is a horrible experience. Much better to just use your media-box/HTPC for it.

Your other points are valid, but iView is not a selling point for the PS3.

All that said, get a 360 unless you really like fighting games.

[AranchineD]

Yeah sausage, you seem to be into the western games more so the 360 is probably a better choice for a non-weeaboo f***** like yourself.

[dinopoke]

There are a lot of JRPGs on the 360.

[Slippery]

This is true, though ToV is coming onto the PS3 soon.

[igotnewsuper8systemWRONG!]

Wow thread's going great guns. Ok, I've been PC up until recently and have enjoyed (funnily enough) all the games on my OP list bar DA:Origins and Borderlands on PC.

Loved Witcher, both KOTORs, HL2, STALKER, Titan Quest, Far Cry 2...

I know that sounds like a PC fanboy but I want a console; simple as that.

Maybe you should just plug your pc into a tv. Anyway it might not be your sort of thing but I'm throwing it out there..... Demons' Souls.

[SOX]

All that said, get a 360 unless you really like fighting games.

Moot point. If you really like fighting games, you would have a stick making it the same experience on either console.

[Natrak]

I know this doesn't exactly help with making a solid decision, but at this point you honestly couldn't go wrong with either system. Draw it out of a hat or something.

[Stevorooni]

Go the PS3, built in wireless, free online if you ever want to dabble with it, it'll future proof you if you ever want to get into blu ray and the hardware is less likely to die on you. Plus it's region free if you want to import games and save $!

But they're pretty much the same consoles with the same games now so you're not really missing out on anything if you pick one over the other.

[igotnewsuper8systemWRONG!]

Moot point. If you really like fighting games, you would have a stick making it the same experience on either console.

But if you really like fighting games, you would have a ps3 so you can import them from Japan and the US.

[Creedy]

Wow thread's going great guns. Ok, I've been PC up until recently and have enjoyed (funnily enough) all the games on my OP list bar DA:Origins and Borderlands on PC.

Loved Witcher, both KOTORs, HL2, STALKER, Titan Quest, Far Cry 2...

I know that sounds like a PC fanboy but I want a console; simple as that.

I personally would get an PS3 in that case, the X360 is basically a PC in a box.
If you want a console you should get something that differentiates itself from a PC. PS3's exclusives are what differentiate it from a PC. If your going to buy a console just to play PC games I really don't see the point at all.

The PS3 has free online in case you are ever curious about playing online, you won't have to play to try it out. It also is a Blu Ray player, yes I know you said you aren't interested about that now but one day you might be and the PS3 is the best BD player on the market.

You also have an upgradeable HDD and wifi out of the box.

[Lex]

Protip: disregard creedy opinion, he's a hilariously pathetic fanboy of the highest order. You'll be better for it.

[Lazlow]

PS3's exclusives are what differentiate it from a PC

I have no interest in exclusives so they're out too.


you won't have to play to try it out

And there's plenty of XBOX360 games that come packed in with trial cards, so you don't have to pay to try Live either.



So it comes down to graphics/how it runs/loading times. So which of the above games run better on what system?

The XBOX 360 is the lead platform for many multiplatform games, and the PS3 suffers for it. Bayonetta and Modern Warfare 2 are two recent examples.

[TrinityJayOne]

+1 for the 360.

I find it hilarious that people harp on about the PSN being free as a major advantage. XBL is far and away the better service, and as Adam said it works out to roughly $5-8/mth, depending on how you go about it. No job? Once a month go stand on a street corner in the city and do a jig, shouldn't take long to make a few bucks (depending on the quality of your jig).

[JubeiSaotome]

The differences, aside from the orange box, are very minor. As stevo said, it's future proof and the slim is better bang for buck. Fanboyism aside, you'd be a fool to adopt a 360 this late in the game.

[AranchineD]

In the future though wouldn't stand-alone Blue-Ray players drastically come down in price making buying a 360 now and a Blu-Ray player later potentially cheaper than just getting a PS3 now?

[T Strife]

Wow thread's going great guns. Ok, I've been PC up until recently and have enjoyed (funnily enough) all the games on my OP list bar DA:Origins and Borderlands on PC.

I know that sounds like a PC fanboy but I want a console; simple as that.

By all accounts, Dragon Age scales back quite well on PC, and is the better experience overall. Really, if you can run it on your desktop/laptop, then you should probably avoid the console versions.

If you're moving from PC, the the 360 will probably be the best baby-step. It will cater for stuff you know you like well, and offers robust online experience if you're willing to shell out for it (just view it as narrowing the cost between the 360 and Ps3).
You'll also find a surprising amount of JRPG's on the system, which you'll either love or hate with burning passion. Generally speaking, multi-platform games turn out a little better on the Xbox, also.

On the other hand, I do endorse Blu-Ray, but that's because I'm the type of person who cares about the difference; it's probably less important if your TV is only 720p. Presently, with my Ps3 bust (so, yeah - both consoles break), I have a 10 meter HDMI cable connecting my laptop to my TV, so I've still got the movies covered.

The point that I'm crawling to here is that, aside from exclusives, the PC will usually do things a little better. This is often a moot point, but as you appear to be a PC gamer it's probably worth mentioning. So, with that in mind, I'm going to list some exclusives (of the kind that aren't coming to PC as well) from the last year or so, as well as those slated for 2010 below. People can scream at me for forgetting their favourite game in the posts that follow.

360
Gears of War 2
Halo Wars
Halo: ODST
Halo Reach
Fable 2
Fable 3
Forza 3
Magna Carta 2
Shadow Complex
'Splosion Man
Crackdown 2
Banjo-Kazooie: Nuts & bolts
Episodes from Liberty City

Ps3
Little Big Planet
Killzone 2
Uncharted 2
Infamous
Motorstorm: Pacific Rift
Resistance 2
Demon's Souls
Gran Turismo 5
God of War 3
Valkyra Chronicles
Disgaea 3
Flower
Fat Princess
Heavy Rain
Ratchet & Clank: A Crack in Time
3D Dot Game Heroes
Yakuza 3
Pixeljunk Shooter
The Last Guardian
Mod Nation Racers
White Knight Chronicles

I wouldn't count on Microsoft losing too much momentum, though. A ton of new stuff will probably be announced later this month - can you hold off another week or two?

[Stevorooni]

I'll also mention how it's cheaper to buy some additional things.

If you want to upgrade the hard drive you just have to buy a regular laptop drive and can easily swap it out on the PS3, the 360 will want you to pay $250 for a proprietry 120gig drive. and since typing this I've realised that the 120 gig drive is now standard so you won't be buying a bigger one, but you will run out of space someday and will want something bigger and I don't know if a 250gig drive is available for the 360 yet, but your only choice will be whatever they release for the price they want to charge.

[igotnewsuper8systemWRONG!]

I don't know, but lets face it, by the end of the generation all the Xbros will have a ps3.

[AranchineD]

I'll also mention how it's cheaper to buy some additional things.

If you want to upgrade the hard drive you just have to buy a regular laptop drive and can easily swap it out on the PS3, the 360 will want you to pay $250 for a proprietry 120gig drive. and since typing this I've realised that the 120 gig drive is now standard so you won't be buying a bigger one, but you will run out of space someday and will want something bigger and I don't know if a 250gig drive is available for the 360 yet, but your only choice will be whatever they release for the price they want to charge.

You can get 3rd party drives for the 360, you know.

[Lazlow]

Only lazy people who keep game installs of something they haven't played in 6 months or more run out of space on a 120GB drive.

The differences, aside from the orange box, are very minor.

But there are differences and that is what was asked.

And therein lies the problem with the majority of the thread, instead of offering advice based on Sausage's criteria, people are trying to be salesmen.

[igotnewsuper8systemWRONG!]

Or people who take advantage of play tv

[adam_91vn]

I'll also mention how it's cheaper to buy some additional things.

If you want to upgrade the hard drive you just have to buy a regular laptop drive and can easily swap it out on the PS3, the 360 will want you to pay $250 for a proprietry 120gig drive. and since typing this I've realised that the 120 gig drive is now standard so you won't be buying a bigger one, but you will run out of space someday and will want something bigger and I don't know if a 250gig drive is available for the 360 yet, but your only choice will be whatever they release for the price they want to charge.


It doesn't cost $250 as far as I know.

You can get 250gig drives.

I play plenty of games and DL stuff and I only have a 20gig which is only 12 with the system stuff on it. I still have 6 gigs available on it.

[Lazlow]

Or people who take advantage of play tv

which isn't relevant

[Beinkasaurus Rex]

I chose PS3 and don't regret the decision at all =]

[dimorphic]

I've got a PS3 and 360 and despite finally beginning to play my PS3 after owning it for over a year (inFamous rocks), the 360 still gets my vote.

[Lazlow]

I don't know, but lets face it, by the end of the generation all the Xbros will have a ps3.

How else am I supposed to play Initial D!?! :D

[dimorphic]

I also believe Natal will own the motion controller that Sony is working on. If Natal (and it's a big if) actually lives up to it's billing, it will be revolutionary.

[AranchineD]

I also believe Natal will own the motion controller that Sony is working on. If Natal (and it's a big if) actually lives up to it's billing, it will be revolutionary.

But it won't, and hopefully it will be the last we hear of 'motion controls' from anyone for a while.

[dimorphic]

But it won't, and hopefully it will be the last we hear of 'motion controls' from anyone for a while.

Yeah it'll be touch integration after that. And 3D.

What fun!

[AranchineD]

Why do I get the feeling that in ten years we'll go through a gaming renaissance where we'll all be amazed how fun these games that we have to play with a controller on a 2D TV screen are. >_>

[dimorphic]

Nah man, in 10 years time video games will be a fleeting memory in our minds as Prime Minister/Supreme Overlord Atkinson has us attending nationwide church groups every afternoon purging us of our depraved sexual fantasies.

[Stevorooni]

At least the PS3 controller gives you something to hold onto, I just can't fathom jumping about in thin air with Natal hoping it picks up the right body parts.

I'll probably buy both devices anyway but the PS3 one seems better to me, especially when used with the new version of RE5

Why do I get the feeling that in ten years we'll go through a gaming renaissance where we'll all be amazed how fun these games that we have to play with a controller on a 2D TV screen are. >_>

and companies will bring back "retro controllers" with buttons and everything!


I'm hoping for a happy medium in the future. Something like a regular controller split in 2 as separate motion devices but they can click together to be used as a regular controller so developers have the choice of adding small bits of motion control where it will work (like say aiming) but you can still do things the old way.

[Lex]

The differences, aside from the orange box, are very minor.

except not. Bayonetta being the most recent example. I've heard it's a joke on PS3.

[igotnewsuper8systemWRONG!]

Famitsu only gave it 38/40.
ITS A BLOODY JOKE

[Lex]

Lolfamitsu. No.

[AranchineD]

They gave FFXIII a 39 that's a joke

[JubeiSaotome]

Okay so aside from 2 games, differences between majority of the other multiplatform titles is so minor, that only neckbeards would bring it up.

[Lazlow]

Ah that old chestnut

[Stevorooni]

Just close your eyes and walk into a games store, whichever format display you knock over first is the one you buy

[Creedy]

except not. Bayonetta being the most recent example. I've heard it's a joke on PS3.

This is a rare case scenario, it's because Sega wanted to hamfist the game onto PS3 whilst the developers wanted to keep it X360 exclusive. Apparently Sony are trying to help the developers and make Bayonetta better for Western release.

I'm just hoping Bayonetta comes out on PC.

[AranchineD]

nah guys

it's the developer's fault

the console fine

[Slippery]

360 is the easy choice.

Nothing wrong with the PS3 though, I think you'll be happy either way.

[JubeiSaotome]

nah guys

it's the developer's fault

the console fine

It is, when it comes to multi-platform games, they should develop for PS3 as it's easier to bring a PS3 coded game over to 360. The other way round just seems to fall to shit. It's developers being untalented and choosing the easy way out. Valve flat out rage quit PS3 development because it was too hard for them.

[AranchineD]

not a problem with the console AT ALL

[Lazlow]

Valve flat out rage quit PS3 development because it was too hard for them.

That and the possibility that the time invested into porting it properly wasn't worth the reward, when they had other projects to attend to.

[Slippery]

Valve made a good business decision imo, get someone else to port your games (albeit poorly), cash royalties off those sales and save yourself the time and the money developing for a significantly harder console.

Considering that the 360 and Pc version were obviously better, and were most likely always going to be better, they cash in again because they get more money from sales of those self developed versions, which are the versions people will buy.

At least thats how it was explained to me, not sure if thats how the deal between EA and Valve works with respect to who pays who for what.

[Mr.Mew]

when it comes to multi-platform games, they should develop for PS3 as it's easier to bring a PS3 coded game over to 360.

PS3 is the most hard platform to create a game for from the ground up, same dealy with the past generation for the PS2. Building a game on that was like trying to learn black magic. Plus what Slippery said, Valve's Orange Box port towards the PS3 was a waste of time an money.

Pushing all of that asside. I'm fairly confident that Sausage isn't trying to figure out which platform he wasn't to develop a video game for.

That said, either platform is a good choice. Although I've recently moved over to a 360 and have had plenty of fun with that, it's not like you could go seven billion leagues of wrong with a PS3.

360 gets my vote (And everyone elses probably).

[Vindik8or]

Get a Wii, sausage, it seems designed for your demographic.

[Second]

sausage for poster of the year. Top Noob. Best dude ever.

[StorminNorman]

It is, when it comes to multi-platform games, they should develop for PS3 as it's easier to bring a PS3 coded game over to 360.

Generally, you're a pretty intelligent guy, but this really is the dumbest thing you've ever said. :)

[Nic Xtreme]

Based on your criteria, I'd say go for the 360.

I can confirm that both Oblivion and Bioshock run and look better on the 360 - and it is noticeable.

Fallout 3 used to run quite poorly on the PS3, however that might be fixed now? The 360 version also got improved textures in an update, not sure if this applies to the PS3 version however.

Dragon Age: Origins apparently has better textures on the PS3, but the framerate is better on the 360.

Finally, Borderlands I have no idea about, I'd assume they're pretty similar.

On load times, installing games on the 360 is really quick, and the installs are quite small, and I've noticed vast improvements from Dragon Age now it has installed, though Borderlands doesn't really change too much.

Really though, the best advice I can give is to have foresight - what titles can you see are coming out in the future that may interest you, and where can they be found?

Based on each of the games you have listed, however, the 360 definitely wins out.

[JubeiSaotome]

Valve made a good business decision imo, get someone else to port your games (albeit poorly), cash royalties off those sales and save yourself the time and the money developing for a significantly harder console.

Considering that the 360 and Pc version were obviously better, and were most likely always going to be better, they cash in again because they get more money from sales of those self developed versions, which are the versions people will buy.

At least thats how it was explained to me, not sure if thats how the deal between EA and Valve works with respect to who pays who for what.
Ah well, why can't porting companies do their job. :(

[Lex]

Because the triple is shitty to make games for?

[JubeiSaotome]

Well if you're a company that's porting games for a certain console, you should be able to do it properly.

[AranchineD]

well they probably could if they didn't have to spend 3 years in intense training with the programming system just to get equal results

[TrinityJayOne]

Well if you're a company that's porting games for a certain console, you should be able to do it properly.
Except they didn't make the ****ing thing, Sony did, and so they rely on tools provided by Sony to make games. This part is where the problem lies.

[HiredMan]

Re: the PS3 being hard to develop for. Hard = expensive. Jubei is right that its much easier to port from PS3 to 360 than it is from 360 to PS3, but I think the way the devs see it is that if they lead on 360 and then do an inferior PS3 port, it will cost them less than the other way round. The fact that there are more 360's in the wild would also be a factor.

And on the thread topic, as a lot of people have said, I think the 360 fits your criteria better Sausage but you wont go wrong either way.

*shuffles back to Xbox gen*

[dimorphic]

Plus the blinking red lights give that Christmas cheer.

[tau]

dimorphic wins

Red Ring of Christmas Cheer! ^_^

[Australian Ninja]

Sausage person, if you are thinking of getting the Bioshock / Oblivion combo (regardless of which platform) I would recommend NOT wasting your money.

You can pick up Bioshock pretty cheap these days on whatever, but more importantly you can pick up Oblivion GOTY Edition for cheap on whatever, as the "combo" with Bioshock is just the standard game and does not include the expansion packs.

So think about it! I almost bought that pack myself until I realised how pointless it is.

[Beinkasaurus Rex]

seriously man just get a new ****ing pc

[igotnewsuper8systemWRONG!]

seriously man just get a new ****ing pc

This, then if one day you decide you want to play some sweet exclusives, that's when it's time to pick up a ps3.

[RunningMild]

Every time there's been a comparison between X360 and PS3 versions of games, in terms of graphics and frame rate and loading times and such, 360 flogs PS3 every single time. If you have no interest in exclusives or Blu-Ray, the choice is obvious (plus 360 is cheaper and you'll probably get a better deal re: included games, if that matters).

Also:

These games should all be played on pc, you'll get much better graphics and better frame rates.

Don't listen to Creedy, Bioshock on PC is utter garbage. If you want a game that crashes every time something has to load then the PC version is best, but if you actually want to play it than 360 is the one.

[JubeiSaotome]

Maybe you should get a better PC, because Bioshock ran fine when I played it on PC.

[Vicious]

Maybe you should get a better PC, because Bioshock ran fine when I played it on PC.

Same here, didn't have a single crash with Bioshock on PC. In fact it's probably one of the few releases that actually seems to work out of box for many people (though patching is still good practice).

[Lex]

Don't listen to Creedy, Bioshock on PC is utter garbage. If you want a game that crashes every time something has to load then the PC version is best, but if you actually want to play it than 360 is the one.

Did you even play the PC version? That's ****ing retarded.

[sausage]

Have to agree, I've got the figurine collectors edition of Bioshock for PC and it ran like silk on my 8600GT quad-core (now have a 9600GT).

Gee, thanks everyone for your replies; all of them have been useful.

I am leaning towards a 360 based on my criteria and your opinions.


Plus this: (NZ pesos)


Ass II, Pure, Lego Batman bundle (http://www.noelleeming.co.nz/games-gaming/xbox-360-xb360/xbox-360-consoles-xb360/xbox-360-elite-assassins-creed-2/prod106522.html)

[igotnewsuper8systemWRONG!]

But... those games aren't RPG's?

[sausage]

Ass 2 is RPG-lite ain't it? Open world and quests = good enough.

Plus the other two for trade bait.

[Starscream]

Gee, thanks everyone for your replies; all of them have been useful.

Please pay everyone who posted here and voted in the poll $100 consultation fee.

[Zace]

Get a Wii, sausage, it seems designed for your demographic.

What would you know, you play games on a devil machine.

[Watchers]

Don't listen to Creedy, Bioshock on PC is utter garbage. If you want a game that crashes every time something has to load then the PC version is best, but if you actually want to play it than 360 is the one.

I will also chime in and say that I ran Bioshock on my 8800GTS with no issues, and the mouse/kb combination makes the PC version a better choice.

[RunningMild]

Maybe you should get a better PC

Okay then, I'll call up Cray and ask them to send us a supercomputer, coz our top of the line PC that was custom built to play games isn't good enough it seems. :rolleyes:

In fact it's probably one of the few releases that actually seems to work out of box for many people (though patching is still good practice).

Really? I'd heard that the majority of people were having problems with the game as well.

Did you even play the PC version? That's ****ing retarded.

Oh yes, it's '****ing retarded' to describe something that I've seen with my own eyes and have heard happen to many other people. Maybe you should get out of that glass house before you start throwing stones, hmm? :p

Have to agree, I've got the figurine collectors edition of Bioshock for PC and it ran like silk on my 8600GT quad-core (now have a 9600GT).

I don't usually agree with Creedy on anything, but if you already have an awesome PC and you know the games run smoothly on it, why do you even want a console? Sorry if this was answered earlier in the thread, I haven't read all the way through yet.

[dimorphic]

It boils down to this;

PS3 = excellent media hub with some good titles, few excellent ones, average online.
360 = okay media hub with lots of good titles, quite a few excellent ones, great online.

[sausage]

, but if you already have an awesome PC and you know the games run smoothly on it, why do you even want a console?


It doesn't really matter why I want a console.

[Lex]

Oh yes, it's '****ing retarded' to describe something that I've seen with my own eyes and have heard happen to many other people. Maybe you should get out of that glass house before you start throwing stones, hmm? :p


Then I have no idea what the **** you were playing, you clearly fail at PC's. I've played it on numerous pc's all with very different hardware, shit runs fine.

[Shorty]

It doesn't really matter why I want a console.

I think that if he was happy to just upgrade his PC instead of getting a console, he wouldn't have created this thread in the first place.

As for which console, based on your criteria it's a pretty close call but I think the 360 slightly edges out the PS3. The performance for the multiplatform titles you listed is effectively equal (there are a few examples of noticeable differences with other titles that have already been noted here) and Xbox Live well worth the few dollars a month it costs. I'd stick with Ethernet if you can (primarily because it's faster and easier to work with than Wi-Fi), but you did say you were okay with buying the wirelss adapter so that's not really an issue here either.

Also, today I learned that "Xbros" is the new epithet for Xbox fanboys.

http://i660.photobucket.com/albums/uu328/zerosignal/more_you_know.jpg

[RunningMild]

I think that if he was happy to just upgrade his PC instead of getting a console, he wouldn't have created this thread in the first place.

I got the impression that the PC didn't even need upgrading, which is why I brought it up. If it needs an upgrade, that's a whole different story.

Then I have no idea what the **** you were playing

Honestly, I would have put it down to an isolated incident if I hadn't read a bunch of Internet testimonials making the same complaints.

I'll also add that Bioshock is the only game we've ever had a problem with on that particular PC. Hell, even Star Trek Legacy (notorious for being glitchy) worked perfectly after being re-installed, but Bioshock didn't.

you clearly fail at PC's.

That's ****ing retarded.

;)

[SOX]

Also, today I learned that "Xbros" is the new epithet for Xbox fanboys.

I admit to being behind on the lingo too. As far as I knew it was "Xbots"

[sausage]

Xcox has a better ring to it.

[Lazlow]

We play harder, for longer!

[Creedy]

It boils down to this;

PS3 = excellent media hub with some good titles, few excellent ones, average online.

EH?

Resistance 2
Killzone 2
Motorstorm
Motorstorm: Pacific Rift
Wipeout HD
Infamous
Yakuza 3
Valkyrie Chronicles
White Knight Chronicles
Disgaea 3
Cross Edge
Siren
Uncharted
Uncharted 2
Ratchet & Clank Future
Ratchet & Clank Future: A Crack in Time
Gran Turismo 5
God of War 3
Heavy Rain
Demon's Souls
Heavenly Sword
Ninja Gaiden Sigma
Ninja Gaiden Sigma 2
Warhawk
SOCOM
MAG

Plus there is more.

As for 3rd party titles ...... the difference between PS3 and X360 is generally neglible. It's certainly not like going from console to PC or anything like that.

[Lex]

Half those games are average at best, sorry buddy.

[Jay]

Is MAG even out yet?

[AranchineD]

No but the previews look good!

[Campdog]

Is MAG even out yet?

Late January next year :)

[Lazlow]

EH?

Resistance 2
Killzone 2
Motorstorm
Motorstorm: Pacific Rift
Wipeout HD
Infamous
Yakuza 3
Valkyrie Chronicles
White Knight Chronicles
Disgaea 3
Cross Edge
Siren
Uncharted
Uncharted 2
Ratchet & Clank Future
Ratchet & Clank Future: A Crack in Time
Gran Turismo 5
God of War 3
Heavy Rain
Demon's Souls
Heavenly Sword
Ninja Gaiden Sigma
Ninja Gaiden Sigma 2
Warhawk
SOCOM
MAG

Plus there is more.

As for 3rd party titles ...... the difference between PS3 and X360 is generally neglible. It's certainly not like going from console to PC or anything like that.



Nice addition of GT5 which won't see a western release for another 6-8 months. ;)

Cross Edge got panned.

MAG, again not out yet

Heavy Rain, again not out yet

White Knight Chronicles... ffs Creedy, not out yet in English

God of War 3... not out yet

Yakuza 3... no english release yet

A little pointless to bother with both Motorstorms



Its not that the PS3 is a bad device or has shit games... its just that you fail at making a logical and compelling argument. Here's a list of games that aren't out yet, they're AWESOME!

[jawsy]

Can we get a thread title change to 'Creedy: Hyper's biggest dimwit'?

[Stevorooni]

Seriously just eeny meeny miney moe the decision, you can't go wrong either way

[Xanafalgue]

Creedy may as well just start listing Secret Playstation 3 Game #1 through #57.

[Creedy]

The fact is even those these games aren't out they still have very positive write ups.

People with X360's and who love their X360's would list Halo: Reach, Crackdown 2, Fable 3 and Alan Wake as "must get titles". Why the hell wouldn't you? They all look good/know they will be good and so it's completely justifiable to count them as "games to get an X360 for".

[Lex]

Nah man, the xbox already has good games.

[Creedy]

*sigh*

MEIN GOTT!!!

[Lazlow]

The fact is even those these games aren't out they still have very positive write ups.

People with X360's and who love their X360's would list Halo: Reach, Crackdown 2, Fable 3 and Alan Wake as "must get titles". Why the hell wouldn't you? They all look good/know they will be good and so it's completely justifiable to count them as "games to get an X360 for".

Some might, I wouldn't

Anticipating them is fair enough, but saying they are must haves before anyone has play tested them is foolish.

For example I'm keen to see Alan Wake, but the gameplay video shown seems to creep into Silent Hill territory, which takes some of the shine off the apple.

Just as I'm keen to see Heavy Rain, but if it ends up as bitterly disappointing as Fahrenheit, then I wouldn't recommend it.

Plenty of games have received positive pre-release press only to disappoint when the final product is available (ie Haze, Alone in the Dark), so there is no way to "know they will be good"

[sausage]

oooo I should be making a decision soon. Really leaning towards a 360 at this stage; no offence to Sony or anything.

[Creedy]

So buy X360 and enjoy the games.

[Stevorooni]

You should mess with everyone's head and buy a Wii

[Sweating Bullets]

Anticipating them is fair enough, but saying they are must haves before anyone has play tested them is foolish.


I have spent the better part of the last few months explaining to some fanboys at work why this is a bad idea and they still don't get it.

One is Sony fanboy the other is a 360 fanboy.

[Slippery]

Seriously just eeny meeny miney moe the decision, you can't go wrong either way

Pretty much.

PC > Consoles

<.< >.> <.<

[AranchineD]

Pretty much.

PC > Consoles

<.< >.> <.<

I KNOW how awesome is Assasin's Creed 2 on Personal Comp-OH WAIT

[Jay]

And that Uncharted 2 absolutely roc - oh hang on...

[Slippery]

:'(

I love games like DotA, LoL and TF2 too much to prefer consoles, UC2 was pretty epic though, haven't played AC2 yet.

[HLOTS]

I KNOW how awesome is Assasin's Creed 2 on Personal Comp-OH WAIT

It comes out in March

[Beinkasaurus Rex]

I KNOW how awesome is Assasin's Creed 2 on Personal Comp-OH WAIT

AC2 is a horrible game and you're a horrible person for enjoying it.

[AranchineD]

Pfft I haven't played it!

[igotnewsuper8systemWRONG!]

EH?

Resistance 2
Killzone 2
Motorstorm
Motorstorm: Pacific Rift
Wipeout HD
Infamous
Yakuza 3
Valkyrie Chronicles
White Knight Chronicles
Disgaea 3
Cross Edge
Siren
Uncharted
Uncharted 2
Ratchet & Clank Future
Ratchet & Clank Future: A Crack in Time
Gran Turismo 5
God of War 3
Heavy Rain
Demon's Souls
Heavenly Sword
Ninja Gaiden Sigma
Ninja Gaiden Sigma 2
Warhawk
SOCOM
MAG

Plus there is more.

As for 3rd party titles ...... the difference between PS3 and X360 is generally neglible. It's certainly not like going from console to PC or anything like that.

Creedy are you honestly going to list games not yet released and not include The Last Guardian?

[SOX]

Maybe it hasn't been getting positive write ups in the previews...

[dinopoke]

I'm surprised that there is no mention of Noby Noby Boy.

[Creedy]

Creedy are you honestly going to list games not yet released and not include The Last Guardian?

I forgot about The Last Guardian.
woops

[igotnewsuper8systemWRONG!]

You've been de-moted from fanboy to enthusiast.

[AranchineD]

Now Creedy just drives his PS3 down the local boulevarde while wearing an old man driving cap.

[Shorty]

I would've considered "enthusiast" to be a promotion from "fanboy".

[AranchineD]

Shorty, man, buddy, fanboy is the pinnacle of gaming, the highest honour anyone who plays games can hope to achieve. Every gamer born is born with hope in their hearts to one day attain the rank of fanboy.

[Shorty]

Probably in the same way people "attain" to be hit by a truck.

[aubergine]

Do your enthusiastic balls ever drop to become a FanMan?

[igotnewsuper8systemWRONG!]

I would've considered "enthusiast" to be a promotion from "fanboy".

Nothing, in the world, is higher...

http://scrapetv.com/News/News%20Pages/Games/images-2/nintendo-fanboy.jpg

http://media.gamerevolution.com/images/misc/Image/nintendo_fan.jpg

[AranchineD]

Like oh my god, those are Nintendo fanboys. Sony fanboys are way smoother than that.

http://img704.imageshack.us/img704/5931/gallopinggourmet12.jpg

Pictured: Creedy, 03/12/09

[igotnewsuper8systemWRONG!]

A couple of Sony fanboys getting together for a bit of Uncharted 2 and maybe some Halo bashing.

http://www.boston.com/lifestyle/fashion/stylephile/mad-men-2.jpg

[igotnewsuper8systemWRONG!]

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y151/infinate_ammo/ps3fanboi.jpg

[AranchineD]

Just to round out the current gen of consoles, here's a 360 fanboy laughing at the competition

http://thumbnails.hulu.com/11/155/40537_384x288_generated__7CfS6eHWck+aoq5ZVjWy9Q.jp g

[Shorty]

To be honest, that looks more like Nintendo laughing at both Sony and Microsoft.

[Jay]

You can tell because it's clearly in Standard Definition. :p

[AranchineD]

I thought Nintendo were more like this guy

http://nuncahubounavez.googlepages.com/chester2.jpg

They had one good idea and have been driving a rocket car ever since.

[igotnewsuper8systemWRONG!]

Just saw a list of 360's exclusives over the past year

http://images.allmoviephoto.com/2007_Mad_Men_(TV_Series)/2007_mad_men_007.jpg

[sausage]

Just thought I'd let everyone know I picked up a Elite bundle with Pure and Lego Batman today.

Thanks for all your input.

[Starscream]

The saga is over.

See you on Xbox Live. Post your gamertag in the GT thread in Xbox forums.

Once your one month free trial of LIVE is over on your console, go to gamercard.com.au and buy yourself a 12 month subscription for around $50 AU.