Gran Turismo 5 - New DLC & 2.03 Update out 18th January

[Creedy]

Anyway resume GT5 talk here.

[Rypien GT]

Yah GT thread.

Bring on the Demo on the 17th baby. Woot!

[Lex]

Just a shame that some members couldn't control themselves subtlesubtlesubtle.

[SOX]

I heard Hyper gave this a 10/10 in the latest issue. Must be a pretty sweet game!

[Lazlow]

What we know:

- aiming for 1000 cars (though actual details of cars in the game between 950-1000)
- will feature licensed NASCAR and WRC cars
- 20 locations, totalling 70 variations. Top Gear test track included
- will include a damage model. Production cars will only feature scratches, lost panels and mechanical damage, while racing cars will feature a more fleshed out deformation model. Rolling is possible
- night racing will feature, though weather is still undecided
- Online multi-player (16 people)
- compatible with GT PSP
- will feature headtracking with the PS Eye
- 5 years development at a cost of $60mil.
- March 2010 launch for Japan, "Summer 2010" launch for North America, and TBA for everywhere else (should be the same for Nth America though)

[REQUIEM]

Yah GT thread.

Bring on the Demo on the 17th baby. Woot!

Yes it will be fun DL that on the 17th I bet.

[TAT]

Someone fill me on with what happened to the last thread

[igotnewsuper8systemWRONG!]

Shorty went on one of his rampages by the looks of it

[Lazlow]

Probably just Shorty logically criticising Rypien's snide comments and rhetoric.

EDIT:

For what its worth the criticisms aren't obtuse and unfounded; GT5 is seriously heading into Duke Nukem Forever territory with its lofty promises with little evidence, and continuously shifting deadline. Its not helped Yamauchi's bizarre statements saying they could release now if they wanted to, coupled with the disappointing videos being defended as "old builds".

The list I posted before was harvested from the GT5 wiki to offer a condensed set of (supposedly) concrete information. However there has been very little evidence of what has been stated.

Some people are willing to put an enormous amount of faith into a product that has shown little evidence of what it promises. That's fine, they are entitled to do that... just as those that are skeptical are entitled to criticise the bullshit 5 year circus that has been GT5's development. Problems arise when the former are unable to either rebut, tolerate, or ignore comments made by the latter, and resort to snide remarks and thinly veiled references to a currently proven product. If there was evidence of what GT5 promises, they obviously could rebut such statements.

All we have to go on its the aforementioned rap sheet, Polyphony's previous body of work (which we are apparently supposed to disregard), and some dubious gameplay footage. Even the demo that is set to be released, is an incredibly bare bones package (370z, one stock, one tuned, and the Indianapolis GP circuit)... if they could release it anytime they want, why is the demo so horribly skint?

This thread is for discussing all things GT5, both good and bad, within the bounds of the information and experience we have on hand. If people can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.

Do I want this game to fail? Of course not. I buy a plethora of racing/driving sims, GT5 offers a unique range of cars that Forza doesn't. But I won't blindly worship it, until its a proven product (which of course then means I still wont be blindly worshipping it).

[grimace06]

They have no reason to hurry and finish it - no matter what, they will make a loss.

It's pretty sad to see this series in such a state.

[Lazlow]

Actually if they were destined to make a loss, the smarter thing to do would be to release ASAP and stop burning money on the project >_>

[TAT]

Probably just Shorty logically criticising Rypien's snide comments and rhetoric.

EDIT:

For what its worth the criticisms aren't obtuse and unfounded; GT5 is seriously heading into Duke Nukem Forever territory with its lofty promises with little evidence, and continuously shifting deadline. Its not helped Yamauchi's bizarre statements saying they could release now if they wanted to, coupled with the disappointing videos being defended as "old builds".

The list I posted before was harvested from the GT5 wiki to offer a condensed set of (supposedly) concrete information. However there has been very little evidence of what has been stated.

Some people are willing to put an enormous amount of faith into a product that has shown little evidence of what it promises. That's fine, they are entitled to do that... just as those that are skeptical are entitled to criticise the bullshit 5 year circus that has been GT5's development. Problems arise when the former are unable to either rebut, tolerate, or ignore comments made by the latter, and resort to snide remarks and thinly veiled references to a currently proven product. If there was evidence of what GT5 promises, they obviously could rebut such statements.

All we have to go on its the aforementioned rap sheet, Polyphony's previous body of work (which we are apparently supposed to disregard), and some dubious gameplay footage. Even the demo that is set to be released, is an incredibly bare bones package (370z, one stock, one tuned, and the Indianapolis GP circuit)... if they could release it anytime they want, why is the demo so horribly skint?

This thread is for discussing all things GT5, both good and bad, within the bounds of the information and experience we have on hand. If people can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.

Do I want this game to fail? Of course not. I buy a plethora of racing/driving sims, GT5 offers a unique range of cars that Forza doesn't. But I won't blindly worship it, until its a proven product (which of course then means I still wont be blindly worshipping it).
Damn it, man, can't you tell us something new?!

[Xanafalgue]

Looks awesome!

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2739/4185457457_a4c87d985d_o.png

[grimace06]

Actually if they were destined to make a loss, the smarter thing to do would be to release ASAP and stop burning money on the project >_>

They're not going to rush out something that they've spent 60 million on(although a Rush themed racer would be awesome lets face it) -- it's quite obviously a labor of love :p

[igotnewsuper8systemWRONG!]

They have no reason to hurry and finish it - no matter what, they will make a loss.

It's pretty sad to see this series in such a state.

They will make a loss?


GT5 is seriously heading into Duke Nukem Forever territory

Do you really believe this? Do you really think 6 or 7 years from now GT5 still won't be released? IMO it hasn't even hit Too Human territory yet.

[Creedy]

It's no where near Duke Nukem Forever territory.
The game has constantly been shown off at various conferences etc.

As for that screenshot I highly doubt it will look that bad, especially since GT5P look better than that. Probably bad capture hardware/software or something.

[Lazlow]

It's no where near Duke Nukem Forever territory.
The game has constantly been shown off at various conferences etc.


So was DNF. (lol Did Not Finish... never noticed that >_>)

[Shorty]

Here's a link to the source (http://www.gtplanet.net/more-gran-turismo-5-demo-screenshots-hd-video/#more-4668), including HD video.

[Lazlow]

Loving the comments

Don’t get me wrong, I’m really really excited and thankful for this demo….but I agree with S3 Racer as in it is very smart that PD is not really releasing a lot at a time, because when GT5 comes out, the world will blow up and it will be awesome.

You heard it here first, GT5 will be released December 21 2012. :p

EDIT:

Just watched the first video of cockpit/bumper cam gameplay footage. It looks a bit flat, boring and uninteresting texture wise... but then again Indianapolis GP is flat, boring and uninteresting.

I think the thing that hits me is the lack of environmental lighting effects; the curbs, road, grass, etc all emit the same luminosity. Smooth motion though it looks rough... probably youtube compression.

Can't comment on sound, I'm on a PC at work with no speakers (or sound drivers for that matter).

[Lex]

Looks awesome!

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2739/4185457457_a4c87d985d_o.png

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[igotnewsuper8systemWRONG!]

Nice.... clouds.

[Creedy]

Geez!
Everyone that has played GT5P knows the game doesn't look that bad...

[igotnewsuper8systemWRONG!]

Everyone whose played GT4 knows the game doesn't look that bad.

[Lazlow]

Yeah but after the development time, and the promised Power of the Playstation™, I was expecting something that would make Forza 3 look like rubbish. This does not.

[igotnewsuper8systemWRONG!]

That's probably because it looks like ****ing dirty asshole

[Stevorooni]

Yeah so the demo is out tomorrow (well hopefully Friday for us if Sony Australia knows what's good for them) so we can finally stop all the speculation and judge the game for what it will actually turn out to be!

[Creedy]

Promised power of the PS3? Have you not seen Uncharted 2, God of War 3, Heavy Rain, The Last Guardian or Killzone 2? They all put the competition to shame and GT5P's car models do put Forza 3's models to shame.

[Hyperblau]

My console has a bigger penis.

[Lazlow]

Promised power of the PS3? Have you not seen Uncharted 2, God of War 3, Heavy Rain, The Last Guardian or Killzone 2? They all put the competition to shame and GT5P's car models do put Forza 3's models to shame.

a) 3 of those games aren't out yet
b) this is going off topic
c) agree to disagree

[Creedy]

a) 3 of those games aren't out yet
b) this is going off topic
c) agree to disagree

a)released or not, it's still the power of the Playstation 3
b)I concur
c)I agree

[AranchineD]

I thought the power of the Playstation 3 was 250W?

[TrinityJayOne]

Geez!
Everyone that has played GT5P knows the game doesn't look that bad...
I just watched the original HD source for those videos, and that screenshot is incredibly accurate. The video is 550MB for a few minutes of footage, so it's not "probably bad capture hardware/software or something". I bet it's an old build though.

[Creedy]

...........
Gametrailers makes great looking games look like shit even in their "HD" feed.

[HiredMan]

So when is it going to look good? On release I'd expect. PD are taking their ****ing time with this one...

Its getting to the point where the hype is so huge, if its not the BEST thing I've ever seen it'll be a disappointment...

[Hyperblau]

...........
Gametrailers makes great looking games look like shit even in their "HD" feed.

I have never experienced this.

[Rypien GT]

Probably just Shorty logically criticising Rypien's snide comments and rhetoric.
.

lol, yeah, that was it.

A good mate mananged to get his ugly mug onto a small TV slot promoting the upcomming GT comp. He has previously travelled over to paris for the ESWC a few years back and did ok ( http://www.joeracer.designdesktop.com/eswc2005.htm ) , although another aussie holl01 finsihed a solid 4th and earned a nice bit of cash in the process. Both these guys are expected to get the nod for the NZ and Australian top spots -
http://www.3news.co.nz/Motorsport-game-gives-Kiwis-shot-at-real-life-racing-/tabid/892/articleID/134417/Default.aspx

Some poxy track tips from the big fella :) Already giving him heaps about it.
http://www.3news.co.nz/Gran-Turismo-tips-from-NZs-best-player/tabid/315/articleID/134419/Default.aspx

Looking forward to getting my hands on the demo and spending some hours running hotlaps. The DFPro has been collecting dust and its going to be soo good putting the MS wheel back in the box for a bit. Probably going to get sore arms from the improved force feedback, been a while.

Hope to see some times posted in this thread from those who will be running in the comp.

Poor quality vid, but it wets the whistle a wee bit -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8V2lyJ27Vg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zH-u2hVIwqc

When you compare it to iRacing laser scanned version it stacks up well indeed
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xtFjxIxkpw8

[Creedy]

So when is it going to look good? On release I'd expect. PD are taking their ****ing time with this one...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-iS5emhZK00&feature=related

[freeradical]

Why do people go to the trouble of uploading to youtube a high def REPLAY of a warm up lap? At least do one where there is some racing involved and something with a sense of speed!
If replay mode is being used to validate a point, well........................

[Lazlow]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-iS5emhZK00&feature=related


We're talking gameplay graphics here, not replay/external camera graphics :D

[Hyperblau]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-iS5emhZK00&feature=related

Is this a Creedy approved 'HD' feed?

[Creedy]

Is this a Creedy approved 'HD' feed?

Gamersyde do great HD captures and have great capture hardware/software.
Gametrailers do a shocking job at doing their videos.

[Hyperblau]

Gamersyde do great HD captures and have great capture hardware/software.
Gametrailers do a shocking job at doing their videos.

What is your point? The video posted wasnt even from Gametrailers...

As for the quality of gametrailers.... http://www.gametrailers.com/video/hassans-shop-heavy-rain/60015
Looks damn good. Stop using shitty excuses.

[REQUIEM]

The dam demo isnt up yet :( I get an email from PSN saying to DL on the 17th yet no joy. Dam international time lines.

[Creedy]

What is your point? The video posted wasnt even from Gametrailers...

As for the quality of gametrailers.... http://www.gametrailers.com/video/hassans-shop-heavy-rain/60015
Looks damn good. Stop using shitty excuses.

No that Gametrailers video looks damn crap and so does the captured video of the GT5 Time Trial. Not to mention the demo is only 200meg so I wouldn't be surprised if the textures had been stripped right down. It actually does look like this has been done.

Play GT5P and the road is pretty well textured an grass actually looks like grass instead of a flat texture. The Time Trial has extremely low res textures and no grass sticking up.

[Hyperblau]

No that Gametrailers video looks damn crap

You are actually mental..

Edit: Please explain how that video looks crap.

[Lazlow]

Not to mention the demo is only 200meg so I wouldn't be surprised if the textures had been stripped right down. It actually does look like this has been done.

Play GT5P and the road is pretty well textured an grass actually looks like grass instead of a flat texture. The Time Trial has extremely low res textures and no grass sticking up.

I thought we weren't supposed to be making comparisons between GT5P and GT5 >_>

Secondly what fathomable reason is there for having the textures "stripped right down"? At least you admit its not looking so hot.

Lastly, its entirely possible that the demo is 200mb, because it only features one track and one car (with two variations).

[Rypien GT]

Why do people go to the trouble of uploading to youtube a high def REPLAY of a warm up lap? At least do one where there is some racing involved and something with a sense of speed!
If replay mode is being used to validate a point, well........................

.......... its a hotlap demo competition. Feel that breeze blowing across your head, thats the point that flew over it at hight speed.

[igotnewsuper8systemWRONG!]

Secondly what fathomable reason is there for having the textures "stripped right down"?


Smaller download?

[Shorty]

I don't think anybody will have a real problem with the "stripped down for maximum performance because it's a time trial competition package" argument as long as no one turns around later and uses that demo to promote GT5's visuals.

[Lazlow]

Smaller download?

I had a feeling someone would say that, though I hoped they wouldn't. Because it's a blatantly silly suggestion.

[HiredMan]

200mb is tiny.... they can run the full-fat physics engine with just 200mb?

[igotnewsuper8systemWRONG!]

I had a feeling someone would say that, though I hoped they wouldn't. Because it's a blatantly silly suggestion.

Really?

[Creedy]

You are actually mental..

Edit: Please explain how that video looks crap.

Is your PC hooked up to a 42ich plasma?

Secondly what fathomable reason is there for having the textures "stripped right down"? At least you admit its not looking so hot.

Firstly, there is more detail in GT5P AND the TGS videos than there is in the hot lap time trial.

Secondly it's not a "demo", it's a hot lap competition, it's being put on the store strictly for the competition so they can reach more people. It's not being put up on the store to show how amazing the game looks. They possibly made it as compact as possible to allow as many people as possible to download and participate in the competition.

[Hyperblau]

Is your PC hooked up to a 42ich plasma?


Nope..only got a 50inch plasma unfortunately. Those videos arent meant to be displayed that large either.

[igotnewsuper8systemWRONG!]

If anyone wants to actually play it it's in the Jap store. Don't hold me accountable if they visuals make you throw up or the dated physics make you lose sleep.

[Creedy]

Nope..only got a 50inch plasma unfortunately. Those videos arent meant to be displayed that large either.

And your PC is hooked up to it right?
Because if it is you would realise just how shitty those Gametrailers videos are. You saying those videos aren't meant to be played on such a large screen kind of shows you agree with me.
The entire point of an HD video is to have it as close to possible as the real game.

[Hyperblau]

And your PC is hooked up to it right?
Because if it is you would realise just how shitty those Gametrailers videos are. You saying those videos aren't meant to be played on such a large screen kind of shows you agree with me.
The entire point of an HD video is to have it as close to possible as the real game.

You don't think your being just a tad unrealistic? I just blew up that heavy rain footage to full screen on my 24" screen at work and it looked fine. Maybe you need to move back from your tv a bit.

[Rypien GT]

Looking forward to seeing some comments once guys actually do some laps in the Nissan. Not too sure who has a PS3 and posts on this thread. Not many i'm guessing.

Start my holidays on Saturday and will start posting some times and comments on the driving model. Got the DFGT hooked up and ready to go.

[Lazlow]

Firstly, there is more detail in GT5P AND the TGS videos than there is in the hot lap time trial.

Secondly it's not a "demo", it's a hot lap competition, it's being put on the store strictly for the competition so they can reach more people. It's not being put up on the store to show how amazing the game looks.


When you start the demo up it says it's a demo for GT5, it makes that very clear.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2736/4186212900_41a262e2de_o.png

Really?

They possibly made it as compact as possible to allow as many people as possible to download and participate in the competition.

Then why all the 800mb+ demos?

Because the rest of the world doesn't suffer the same poor internet speed and plans as us.

[igotnewsuper8systemWRONG!]

Then why all the 800mb+ demos?


Quite simply this is different from other demo's. How many other demos do you know of that are a competition like this?

[Lazlow]

I don't see how that necessitates gimping the demo... afterall GRiD's demo had a laptime competition for European residents, and they certainly didn't stip it back in anyway.

[TAT]

If I pretend that this thread is a wrestling event, and the people posting are the wrestlers then all I want to do is start a "same old shit" chant.

[igotnewsuper8systemWRONG!]

Alright I want you to copy and paste this.

I Lazlow, firmly believe that there is no reason for PD to gimp the demo by cutting down on graphical features in an effort to reduce file size. Whether the demo was 200 mb or 2000 mb does not matter, it would have made it into the same number of homes.

[Lazlow]

O_o

All demo's are promotional material, intended for maximum exposure. Why is this GT5 demo suddenly the exception?

Because there's a competition involved? That's nothing new, and not a very good reason at all. Whether 10 people enter or 10 million, by iniating a competition they are obligated to distributing prizes. How many enter is of no consequence.

If its purpose is purely to exhibit the driving model, fine. But nothing of that was mentioned prior to its release, even Creedy was defensive when people started criticisng the poor visual quality of it. Now its being excused because its a compeittion and they need maximum exposure?

Is that so say, other demos don't need as much exposure?

[igotnewsuper8systemWRONG!]

GT5 already has a demo, it SOLD over 4 million copies and came out more than 2 years before release.

[Lazlow]

Oh so GT5P is relevant again?

Nice

[igotnewsuper8systemWRONG!]

I'll be honest with you, I'm not sure what we're arguing about. I do think you should go check out the demo though (the new demo), it's only a small download. I like to hear what you think.

[Creedy]

How many "demos" do you know of that consist of a single track with a single car to choose from that only allows you to play in time trail?

[Lazlow]

I'll be honest with you, I'm not sure what we're arguing about. I do think you should go check out the demo though (the new demo), it's only a small download. I like to hear what you think.

I would if I had a PS3 :D

How many "demos" do you know of that consist of a single track with a single car to choose from that only allows you to play in time trail?

So now its not a demo?

[Shorty]

The DiRT 2 demo (http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=221729?cid=OTC-RSS&attr=CVG-General-RSS) didn't contain much more than the GT5 "demo" - two races with a car apiece. AFAIK, it also had the full graphics engine in place. The Race Driver: GRID demo (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_Driver:_Grid#Demo) even its own competition, too. Europeans could win a BMW 3 Series and Americans could win a Mustang.

[Creedy]

What the **** are we even arguing about? this is exactly my point about this shit hole thread. You guys do everything possible to put GT5 and Polyphony down.
The fact is we have seen the game 100 times before and it has looked considerably better than this time trial.

*edit*

Holy shit, how did I know Shorty would include such a stupid response as a rally game!

[igotnewsuper8systemWRONG!]

The DiRT 2 demo (http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=221729?cid=OTC-RSS&attr=CVG-General-RSS) didn't contain much more than the GT5 "demo" - two races with a car apiece. AFAIK, it also had the full graphics engine in place. The Race Driver: GRID demo (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_Driver:_Grid#Demo) even its own competition, too. Europeans could win a BMW 3 Series and Americans could win a Mustang.

Not too much more? I don't know... kind of sounds like it contains double.

Shorty go download the demo, I want people to give impressions.

[Shorty]

Not too much more? I don't know... kind of sounds like it contains double.

Is that where we're drawing the line? One track means it isn't a demo, two tracks means it is? What would you call the not-demo? A mini-demo? Even the people who made it call it a demo, so how about we accept that it's a demo and move on?

Shorty go download the demo, I want people to give impressions.

I would if it was available!

[REQUIEM]

Wasnt up on aus psn when I checked an hour ago. Been checking all day.

[igotnewsuper8systemWRONG!]

It's in Jap.. might actually be in the US store by now....

[Creedy]

Australian store will update before the American store. It will be tomorrow morning sometime.

[Shorty]

It might have helped if people like CNET (http://www.cnet.com.au/gt5-demo-due-17-dec-gt-academy-open-to-aussies-339299900.htm) had actually specified that when they posted the release date of this thing.

[igotnewsuper8systemWRONG!]

Just go get it from the jap store

[Creedy]

If you turned your PS3 on more than once a year you' also understand how the PSN stores work by now.


Anyway everyone seems to be enjoying the new physics over at Neogaf.

[Shorty]

Just go get it from the jap store

Honestly, I'd rather just wait until it comes out here.

[Creedy]

Why wait? It's easy to download.

[igotnewsuper8systemWRONG!]

If you say so

[Hyperblau]

I'm gonna wait until i turn my ps3 on for the one time this year.

[Lex]

Hahaha loving this, the forums only 2 sonyfriends are working overtime to defend their purchase. Keep on truckin' fellas.

[Lazlow]

What the **** are we even arguing about? this is exactly my point about this shit hole thread.

- Demo was released
- People said it looked average
- You discredited the quality of the sources (ie gametrailers, dodgy screen capture gear)
- People found other sources
- You claimed it looked deliberately stripped back
- But why?
- You said it wasn't a demo
- I posted a screenshot from the demo, calling itself a demo
- People claimed, its a competition, it needs to reach a wide audience
- I respond, that's nothing new and no it doesn't
- Hey c'mon man, how many demos do you know, have so little content?
- So its not a demo?, I ask
- RAGE!

I think that covers the gist of it.

You guys do everything possible to put GT5 and Polyphony down.

Sorry bro, didn't know they mean so much to you. :p

It's not exactly hard to be critical of PD/GT5 when they promised so much and so far have delivered very little.

Since early December this release has been called a demo, by industry and gamers a like. There was no specific mention of it being stripped back visually, I'll admit some sources alluded to it being a physics demo:

It looks like we're (US and Canada) getting the same Gran Turismo 5 Time Trial Challenge on the same day, December 17th. In it, you'll get to give the new physics engine a spin in two variations (stock and tuned) of the lovely Nissan 370Z.

but that's only an assumption you can make with the benefit of hindsight, as there is no precedent of a demo being "stripped back" visually, 3 months out from release. Playstation Australia certainly made no mention of it. (http://au.playstation.com/games-media/news/articles/detail/item248933/GT-Academy-announced/)

[Creedy]

It's not a demo to show the game off. It's an entry into a competition. This argument is so fraking pointless because like I have said a million times we have seen the game a million times before hand and every time it has looked better than this time trial.
The game as a whole will not have been stripped back.

[Hyperblau]

Dude, just give up, it's getting embarrassing.

Note to Lazlow, i gave you mind-pep, soak it in.

[igotnewsuper8systemWRONG!]

Hahaha loving this, the forums only 2 sonyfriends are working overtime to defend their purchase. Keep on truckin' fellas.

Hey man we gotta work hard to combat the offensive powerhouse that Xbox has built up around here.

That aside though I've hardly been defending it, just pointing out the obvious. I'll be the first to admit this demo looks shitty (not just the textures, it looks kind of jaggy), maybe the final game will look like this I don't know, but I'd be surprised if it did.

I'm curious, has any other game demo (prologue aside) been released 3 and a half months before the actual game's release... Probably closer to 5 or 6 months (who knows?) I guess for the non-Japanese.

[REQUIEM]

Honestly, I'd rather just wait until it comes out here.

Yep me to, I CBF setting up foreign accounts.

[igotnewsuper8systemWRONG!]

Yeah **** that, takes atleast 5 mins

[Starscream]

Wasn't GT5 Prologue the demo you paid for? $50+ IIRC?

Not that you'll get a discount if you pay for the full version when it's released.

[Lazlow]

It's not a demo to show the game off. It's an entry into a competition. This argument is so fraking pointless because like I have said a million times we have seen the game a million times before hand and every time it has looked better than this time trial.
The game as a whole will not have been stripped back.

This has been a very rewarding partnership. The whole GT Academy concept is very close to my heart. Our target with the Gran Turismo series has always been to come as close as possible to a real driving experience. To witness the level of driving achieved by GT players after a relatively short space of time at the GT Academy was very satisfying for me and I look forward to seeing the 2010 finalists in action. I am also very happy to have the opportunity for our GT community to have a preview of the Gran Turismo 5 game.

Still doesn't clarify why:

- everyone was calling it a demo
- why you'd release a stripped down demo

[freeradical]

I think the blinkers are well and truly up!!

[Shorty]

The demo's now up in the Australian store, so we can all perform our yearly PS3 bootup and get it. :cool:

Update: So anyway, I've given it a few laps and it's pretty good. Visually, it looks fine. The cars are nicely detailed but the track isn't exactly scenic (which, as Lazlow pointed out, is mostly to do with Indy GP being pretty flat and uninteresting anyway). The driving model feels solid & the car reacts more or less how you'd expect it to. The stock 370Z is a nice drive but I had more fun with the Tuned version because it has much more horsepower and grip. :cool:

Overall, it's fine as a competition/physics demo, but it's a little barebones to properly represent the game as a whole.

[Creedy]

And it's not meant to represent the game as a whole.....
TIME TRIAL COMPETITION

As I expected the time trial doesn't look as bad as those screenshots. It still looks like arse compared to GT5P/TGS gameplay and I still believe it was severely stripped down graphically due to it's tiny size.

The new physics model feels a lot better than GT5P, you don't seem to stick to the road so much anymore. As for running into walls .... I haven't tried that yet.

[TrinityJayOne]

As for running into walls .... I haven't tried that yet.
And you call yourself a GT fan?!

[Hyperblau]

And it's not meant to represent the game as a whole.....
TIME TRIAL COMPETITION

Something tells me that if this "time trial competition" was blowing people away with it's amazing graphics and superb driving model then it would be quite a demo indeed.

[Creedy]

GT fan? I never bought GT3 or GT4 and my "PAL" copy of Forza 3 is nearly here. I have never said a bad thing about Forza 3 either.
Im just being optimistic and laying out the facts that you nuts can't seem to understand.
Acting as if this time trial is visually representative of the final game.

[Hyperblau]

Im just being optimistic and laying out the facts that you nuts can't seem to understand.
Acting as if this time trial is visually representative of the final game.

You sir, are the nut.

[Stevorooni]

Tried the demo, can't really see much difference between that and the free GT HD thing I downloaded when I first got my PS3. Both look pretty.

[Shorty]

I'd also like to add that every time I play a Gran Turismo game, I'm reminded how the SIXAXIS/DualShock 3 is not well suited for driving games.

[Creedy]

I like it better due to the analogue face buttons.

[igotnewsuper8systemWRONG!]

I'd also like to add that every time I play a Gran Turismo game, I'm reminded how the SIXAXIS/DualShock 3 is not well suited for driving games.

It's a bit odd, I love the thing for Burnout and Wipeout but I really think GT is made with a wheel in mind. Rightfully so I guess.

[Lex]

analogue face buttons.

lol. why do they still bother with that shit? analogue shoulder buttons made them obsolete.

[Rypien GT]

Driving model feels very solid and is a nice change from what i've been driving lately. Its a definate improvement from the phaseIII model of GT5:P The track is very bland, makes me want all of the old favs again (bring on Trial Mountain and Deep Forest). Got a few good mates well in the top 20 for oz and i'd expect them to do very well in the competition.

The download has a few glitches which is dissapointing. You would think i'd be used to racing gmaes having glitches by now ;)

Hope to get more time behind the wheel tonight to try and get myself up the leaderboard. Still trying to figure out the best speed/lines for the track atm.

Like i imagined, still got a few regulars posting when they have not even played GT5:P let alone the new download. Cracks me up. They don't want to comment on the game from a first hand perspective, rather sit back and hang shit on others posts for the sake of joining the usual band of microsoft fans. Try playing the game so that your horde of comments hold at least some weight.

lol. why do they still bother with that shit? analogue shoulder buttons made them obsolete.
Why indeed. Same old same old.

Anyone got any times to post?

[Lex]

Like i imagined, still got a few regulars posting when they have not even played GT5:P let alone the new download. Cracks me up. They don't want to comment on the game from a first hand perspective, rather sit back and hang shit on others posts for the sake of joining the usual band of microsoft fans. Try playing the game so that your horde of comments hold at least some weight.

HURRRRR STOP RUINING THREADS WITH YOUR PETTY FANBOY BULLSHIT PLZ

srsly, fix the caps filter, its ****ing silly

[Rypien GT]

Love it. I should go through all of the GT threads and copy and paste every one of your posts. I'd hedge a bet that 90% (or more) are nothing more than you slanging other peoples posts. Most posts are simple little one line comments. Not much substance which is a real shame, but expected. Do you own a PS3? Play GT?

Getting back to the GT download, its very evident that it is designed with wheel users in mind. Not well suited to DS controllers. I was able to play and compete with my trusty controllers with GT1/2/3/4 (although i did start using wheels during GT3's lifespan). With the new download its much faster with the wheel and feels soo much better. Driving the game definately puts a smile on the dial with the wheel, even with the bland track.

Off to do some laps.

[Creedy]

I think I got a time of roughly 1:38, that's with the tuned car. I'll have to check tomorrow when I get back from down the coast.

[Rypien GT]

Good stuff. Hope to have some improved times tonight (thats if i dont get sucked into the Halo lan a mate has planned :) )

[Hyperblau]

Just played the demo, didn't like it at all. I don't have a wheel though so take that as you will. Graphics were bland and jaggy, physics system is terrible (when using a controller), racing line was useless, and no bonnet cam....wtf.

[freeradical]

I still feel that it suffers from a lack of 'sense of speed'. When the speedo states 140mph, i want it to feel/look like 140mph. But thats my opinion. Based on other games i've played. On various consoles. And driving.

[Shorty]

It lacks some of the hectic visual effects of, say, Need for Speed: Shift, but I didn't feel that 240km/h felt like 20, either.

lol. why do they still bother with that shit? analogue shoulder buttons made them obsolete.

I think Lex has a point, here. When comparing analogue face buttons to trigger-style analogue shoulder buttons, it's no contest. But even the DS3's L/R2 buttons aren't feel suited for acceleration and braking. There's just not enough travel in them.

[Lazlow]

Like i imagined, still got a few regulars posting when they have not even played GT5:P let alone the new download. Cracks me up. They don't want to comment on the game from a first hand perspective, rather sit back and hang shit on others posts for the sake of joining the usual band of microsoft fans. Try playing the game so that your horde of comments hold at least some weight

This might make sense if I was commenting on how it drives. Alas you are too narrow mindedly defensive to look passed the negativity and actually get what people are saying.

Our comments hold as much weight as yours as no one has actually played GT5. Remember we were told to stop comparing it to GT5P, and that this "demo" is not actually a demo - so if were to go with that logic then playing these wouldn't have any impact on the legitimacy of our comments.

What amazes me is I have said time and again, that if GT5 delivers everything is promises, sensational. Another reason to get a PS3*. But the fact of the matter is it has promised so much yet shown very little, and unlike some we aren't taking Yamauchi at his word.

We aren't the ones trolling, you are.

You fail to present a single piece of evidence that isn't simply PR spin, that would substantiate some of the promises they have made regarding this game. Instead you rather play the victim and make thinly veiled stabs at various people.

*and before anyone goes "wtf [list of PS3 games}" (creedy >_>) I have specific tastes. The PS2 catered for them superbly, the PS3 is not quite there yet.

[freeradical]

It lacks some of the hectic visual effects of, say, Need for Speed: Shift, but I didn't feel that 240km/h felt like 20, either.


Visual effects have their place in 'certain' types of racers, and i acknowledge that GT is not the place for these. However, if i was 'allowed' to compare it with another 'sim' type game which just happens to be on another console, i would argue strongly that out of both these games, which present vehicles travelling at a set speed (as indicated by speedometer), one game seems to have a 'better' sense of speed than the other. Of course there is then the argument relating to which game is presenting/representing it accurately.

[Shorty]

Visual effects have their place in 'certain' types of racers, and i acknowledge that GT is not the place for these. However, if i was 'allowed' to compare it with another 'sim' type game which just happens to be on another console, i would argue strongly that out of both these games, which present vehicles travelling at a set speed (as indicated by speedometer), one game seems to have a 'better' sense of speed than the other. Of course there is then the argument relating to which game is presenting/representing it accurately.

I would actually disagree. I think we're at the point where "realism" isn't just a matter of throwing more polygons at the car and track models. I think that further noticeable improvements in the feeling of realism are going to require those kinds of visual effects because often that's what going fast looks and feels like. Not for every car - most modern cars that aren't deliberately "track" oriented are far too smooth and insulated for that to be appropriate - but certainly for external viewpoints and for purpose-built racecars and prototypes.

[freeradical]

I would actually disagree. I think we're at the point where "realism" isn't just a matter of throwing more polygons at the car and track models. I think that further noticeable improvements in the feeling of realism are going to require those kinds of visual effects because often that's what going fast looks and feels like. Not for every car - most modern cars that aren't deliberately "track" oriented are far too smooth and insulated for that to be appropriate - but certainly for external viewpoints and for purpose-built racecars and prototypes.

You sir, have just 'put your finger on it'!

[Creedy]

It lacks some of the hectic visual effects of, say, Need for Speed: Shift, but I didn't feel that 240km/h felt like 20, either.



I think Lex has a point, here. When comparing analogue face buttons to trigger-style analogue shoulder buttons, it's no contest. But even the DS3's L/R2 buttons aren't feel suited for acceleration and braking. There's just not enough travel in them.

He doesn't have a point at all, more options for the end user is always a good thing. I can't use triggers properly so analogue face buttons are a blessing.

[Lex]

That's a shame man, analogue face buttons are crap.

[texta]

I wouldn't say that they're crap. They're certainly not worse than digital face buttons. That said, apart from increasing accessibility for people who aren't able to effectively use the sholder buttons (which is obviously a good thing whether it was intended or not) I don't know if they have a lot of applications.

[TrinityJayOne]

Best usage of them I've seen was in the MGS games.

[freeradical]

So has anyone been able to post a decent time in the GT Academy?? For the record, i just cant get to grips with the car. A steering wheel may help me thinks.

[igotnewsuper8systemWRONG!]

Best usage of them I've seen was in the MGS games.What this guy says

[Shorty]

He doesn't have a point at all, more options for the end user is always a good thing. I can't use triggers properly so analogue face buttons are a blessing.

That's fine for your situation but for the rest of us they're a poor substitute.

[Creedy]

That's fine for your situation but for the rest of us they're a poor substitute.

That's great, don't use it.
More options for the end user is better. Just because you two think it's a useless addition doesn't mean Sony shouldn't include it. In fact they have no reason not to include it.

..................
Also

I really want this!!!

http://www.fanatec.de/webshop/new_usa/product_info.php?cPath=21&products_id=51&osCsid=c4bb8a677559705a3efeab0d57cee1d0

:'(

So I can play games on my PS3/X360 and PC.
Anyone know a cross platform alternative?

[Lazlow]

Sadly, there are none. (http://www.hyper.com.au/forums/showpost.php?p=1153124&postcount=1566)

[Shorty]

That's great, don't use it.
More options for the end user is better. Just because you two think it's a useless addition doesn't mean Sony shouldn't include it. In fact they have no reason not to include it.

If I felt the DS3's triggers were worth a damn, I wouldn't have been using the face buttons in the first place. I don't just want more options, I want better options.

[igotnewsuper8systemWRONG!]

I like the ps3 triggers, a real nice spring to them. I also enjoy when games implement the analogue face buttons (sure it's not too often but hey it's still nice).

Yep, some people have different opinions.

[StorminNorman]

Just as a point of reference, the XBox 360 controller has analogue sense on the facebuttons as well, as did the original XBox controller.

Apparently Sony took analogue sense out of a late revision of the Dualshock 2 controller, though they reinstated it in the Dualshock 3.

[Creedy]

X3d60 has analogue face buttons? I never would have known, I don't think any car games have taken advantage of it.

[Lex]

They don't need to, the analogue triggers don't suck.

[Creedy]

oh **** off, I already said I can't use triggers!

[StorminNorman]

X3d60 has analogue face buttons? I never would have known, I don't think any car games have taken advantage of it.

The only games I can think of where they're actually used to a noticeable extent are the DoAX games, oddly enough.

[Lex]

oh **** off, I already said I can't use triggers!

It had nothing to do with you.

[fearofthesky]

Shame to see PD dragging this out for so long! Me and a friend plowed dozens of hours into GT3. Ages ago, I lost my data from GT2 when I accidentaly knocked the power cord out of the wall while saving. RAGE!

Forza 3 has rekindled my interest in realistic racing games. So I hope GT5 turns out really well! Seeing as I need more justification to drop some cash on a PS3 I hope it delivers.

[Creedy]

Im really tempted to buy that Fanetec steering wheel for GT5, Forza 3 and Richard Burns/Sim Bin games on PC.

[Lazlow]

Good luck. They don't ship directly to Australia, and I only found one local online store offering one of their wheels. Otherwise you can try the US, but you'll be paying $600+ for it.

This was before Forza 3 was released so maybe things have changed, but they certainly didn't appear affordable or easy to get a hold of.

[REQUIEM]

HURRRRR STOP RUINING THREADS WITH YOUR PETTY BULLSHIT PLZ

srsly, fix the caps filter, its ****ing silly


You are talking about yourself right lex. FFS have a look at yourself before ranting that line.

[TAT]

Im really tempted to buy that Fanetec steering wheel for GT5, Forza 3 and Richard Burns/Sim Bin games on PC.

Good luck. They don't ship directly to Australia, and I only found one local online store offering one of their wheels. Otherwise you can try the US, but you'll be paying $600+ for it.

This was before Forza 3 was released so maybe things have changed, but they certainly didn't appear affordable or easy to get a hold of.
A mate wanted that wheel for Forza 3 (as he has the G25), and worked out that it would have been cheaper to buy a PS3 and wait for GT5.

[Surgeon.]

Played the demo/time trial.

It's kind of . . . awful. It just looks ugly and what's with the lack of bonnet cam?

Also, Is there a way to change the controls so that the accelerator/brake are the triggers? Having to use a face button for braking isn't ideal.

[Creedy]

Ever tried clicking on the options menu?

Why do people keep saying how ugly it is? We know this already.
What do people think of the driving model?

I think the fact that I'm dying to buy a steering wheel for GT5 shows how much improved the physics has been improved since GT5P. Most of the time I am completely happy and comfortable to use a control pad for car games, when I play the GT5 TT I feel that the control pad is limiting my skills. Pretty much the same feeling when I play any demos of the Simbin games, a control pad just feels to limiting.

[Hyperblau]

I think the fact that I'm dying to buy a steering wheel for GT5 shows how much improved the physics has been improved since GT5P. Most of the time I am completely happy and comfortable to use a control pad for car games, when I play the GT5 TT I feel that the control pad is limiting my skills. Pretty much the same feeling when I play any demos of the Simbin games, a control pad just feels to limiting.

Or that just shows how poorly the controls implemented for the regular PS3 controller are.

Why do people keep saying how ugly it is? We know this already.

Maybe because the Gran Turismo games have always been on the cutting edge and this demo is so far off the mark.

[TrinityJayOne]

Played the new demo on my brother's PS3 today. The stock car feels like it has no traction at all, and I highly doubt that a stock 370Z is capable of squealing the tires all the way through 2nd gear. Yes yes, "road tires" I know, but you'd think that "road tires" are exactly what a fresh-off-the-showroom-floor 370Z comes with. Are they supposed to be lower-than-normal grip tires or what? If so, why? Unless you're intending to drift there is no reason to force such paltry rubber on a sports car.

There is still no sensation of speed, especially in the external views. Forza 3 isn't perfect in this regard either, but it's still a lot better than this. I will never understand quite why this is so difficult to capture in a game.

Also disappointed at the driving settings present. No ABS option in sight, and even with traction control set to "off" (why in the tuned car only?) it is still very obviously on the second you put a wheel on the grass.

All things considered I wasn't very impressed, but then I didn't expect to be.

[Creedy]

There are no driving aide options because it's a competition.

[Xanafalgue]

I'm a tool
:cool:

[Creedy]

New trailer in crap quality.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zeJ6GXh9uas&feature=player_embedded#

[Hyperblau]

Good to see they figured out how to make trailers with in-game footage....oh wait.

[TrinityJayOne]

There are no driving aide options because it's a competition.
That's not what I said. An option for ABS is not there at all, whereas other options were there but locked. The fact that you can change the TCS suggests that if ABS was simply a no-no, the option would be there but locked. Hopefully they'll at least make it authentic and cars like a Mustang Boss 429 will be without it, but I doubt it seeing as the TCS is never fully disabled when "off".

[Shorty]

Couple of new items just hit the Webs.

First up is the recently-released official box art for GT5 (http://www.themotorreport.com.au/48297/gran-turismo-5-box-art-revealed-sls-amg-graces-cover/). Looks like this instalment's "hero car", for the standard edition at least, is the Mercedes SLS AMG.

The other news item is more information on GT5's features (http://www.gtplanet.net/night-racing-weather-indy-cars-irl-confirmed-for-gt5/) courtesy of the February issue of Official PlayStation Magazine. Some of the stuff is already known (1000+ vehicles, modelled interiors, NASCAR), but there's some other interesting stuff in there, such as universal vehicle damage with additional interior damage for 170 "premium" models, night racing and Indy Racing League cars and tracks. No official word on whether those annoying license tests will make it into this version (I personally hope they don't).

Release date is still "summer 2010", which should be around June or July. Local Australian release is still up in the air.

[Lazlow]

Indy Racing League cars and tracks.

This will be awesome, if they get wheel-to-wheel collisions right. Which no one seems to bother doing these days.

[freeradical]

.........wheel-to-wheel collisions right. Which no one seems to bother doing these days.
I cant see anything changing in this title.

[TrinityJayOne]

They need to get regular collisions right first.

[Lazlow]

There is also the fact that oval racing just ain't oval racing with 16 cars... you need 26-40 :D

[Blue]

Wow, this demo is atrocious. It looks like shit, it plays like shit. Limited options, no bonnet cam.

Good thing this is just an old build from, like, two years ago, and isn't representative of the final product in any way. Phew.

[igotnewsuper8systemWRONG!]

It's an old build?

[Hyperblau]

If you listen to boys that are fans of the 3rd Sony Video Game system it is.

[igotnewsuper8systemWRONG!]

I'm probably the biggest Sony fanboy on the forum, I imagine the final game will have similar control to the demo right?

[Blue]

I'm probably the biggest Sony fanboy on the forum, I imagine the final game will have similar control to the demo right?Yes.

It was a joke about the way Rypien always tells us that the latest disappointing video or demo is based on "an old build" and that it's pointless to judge the game based on these supposed promotional materials, as the real game will have every single problem rectified.

No, the real game will be identical in look and feel to this demo.

[Creedy]

The physics are new and a massive improvement in my opinion. Graphics were cut down to save on space. It's not a demo, it's a competition.

With the new news Im impressed with the night racing and weather being added. About time a developer started concentrating on those aspects.

[Blue]

The physics are new and a massive improvement in my opinion. Graphics were cut down to save on space. It's not a demo, it's a competition.

With the new news Im impressed with the night racing and weather being added. About time a developer started concentrating on those aspects.I guess it must be hard to talk sense with Kazunori Yamauchi's dick in your mouth.

[Creedy]

He tastes good too!!!

[Lazlow]

With the new news Im impressed with the night racing and weather being added. About time a developer started concentrating on those aspects.

lol, those apsects are nothing new or revolutionary.

[Blue]

He tastes good too!!!That's not saying much. Based on your unjustified excitement for this game, you'll swallow anything.

[Creedy]

lol, those apsects are nothing new or revolutionary.

They aren't revolutionary no, but they have been forgotten in probably 90% of car games.

[TrinityJayOne]

Err, perhaps you mean the Forza and GT games? The original NFS games had both night racing and weather, for example, and every PC sim I've tried has had them as well. At the end of the day it would be nice, but things like more cars, more tracks, smooth gameplay, general visual quality, physics, etc take priority.

[Lazlow]

Personally if they are going to do weather effects, I'd prefer it was highly variable so tyre type and compound choice actually mattered - at least for the enduros.

Night racing... eh that's a novelty. These games race on floodlit circuits, so it has no real bearing. Rally games on the other hand are a whole different kettle of fish with regards to night racing.

[StorminNorman]

I was pretty positive about it, to be honest.

In fact, it's a feature that would really sell me a copy of GT5.

[Shorty]

Night racing... eh that's a novelty. These games race on floodlit circuits, so it has no real bearing. Rally games on the other hand are a whole different kettle of fish with regards to night racing.

True, although I did feel that things got a little trickier when the sun went down during the middle part of the 24 Hours of Le Mans race in GRID.

[Lazlow]

Le Mans is a little different, AFAIK its purposely not lit very well. Most footage I've every seen of night racing during the 24hrs sees the drivers relying on their headlights.

[igotnewsuper8systemWRONG!]

I guess it must be hard to talk sense with Kazunori Yamauchi's dick in your mouth.

You're an idiot

it's actually very easy because he is asian and has a tiny penis

[Blue]

It's amazing, if these things were announced in Forza 3 you'd all be going ape shit over it, instead you all went ape shit over the ability to rewind time...........No, that's bullshit. Nobody cared about that, and most even stated that it had already been implemented more effectively in grid.

What everyone was anticipating was the driving model, the online features, and the overall quality of the game. All of which were reasonable to expect, and were of course delivered.

Also, adding more full-stops to an ellipsis doesn't achieve anything, and a semi-colon would have been a better choice than that second comma.

[TAT]

Also, adding more full-stops to an ellipsis doesn't achieve anything, and a semi-colon would have been a better choice than that second comma.
Calm the **** down, dude.

[HiredMan]

I was pretty positive about it, to be honest.

In fact, it's a feature that would really sell me a copy of GT5.

Hmmm, haven't played the demo yet but have heard mixed reports. I'll have to try it at Antwans, hope it's good!

[igotnewsuper8systemWRONG!]

Nice box

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2752/4250765899_961ac8ccc7_b.jpg

[HiredMan]

Good choice for the hero car, I like the SLS AMG more than the R8 V10 used for Forza 3

[igotnewsuper8systemWRONG!]

They really could have put any car on the cover and made it look classy as hell from that angle with those effects, it's some of the best boxart I have ever seen.

[Shorty]

Good choice for the hero car, I like the SLS AMG more than the R8 V10 used for Forza 3

I still thought the R8 V10 was a good choice for FM3's hero car. What would you have chosen if it had been your call? Reventon? GT3 RS?

[REQUIEM]

Nice box

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2752/4250765899_961ac8ccc7_b.jpg

Yeah nice box art blah blah blah. Just release the dam game. Lets hope that the time trial challenge had nothing to do with the actual game as that was very disappointing.

[Creedy]

What was wrong with the driving model?

[HiredMan]

I still thought the R8 V10 was a good choice for FM3's hero car. What would you have chosen if it had been your call? Reventon? GT3 RS?

Not saying the R8 V10 is a bad car (it's a great car in fact, just like the SLS more), but yeah, Reventon would've been cool. I would've loved to have seen a Porsche of some description (with the side effect of F3 thumbing its nose to racers withought the licence), maybe the '10 Turbo. The '10 GT3 RS would have been ideal but news of it broke after release.

[igotnewsuper8systemWRONG!]

Yeah nice box art blah blah blah. Just release the dam game. Lets hope that the time trial challenge had nothing to do with the actual game as that was very disappointing.

Sweet post

[REQUIEM]

What was wrong with the driving model?

I find it to be nothing special compared to whats already been released, and certainly not worth the huge fuss and delay that this game has wallowed in for too long. I have been a GT fan since the fantastic PS1 original so im not a hater. I love the forza series and heck even EA's NFS Shift was an excellent racer without the hype. I will buy GT5 the second its launched as I did with all the GT series but its just gone on for so long that unless its a stand out by a mile title from forza there will be a gaming backlash IMO.


Edit: I have the logi tech gt wheel but is it worth upgrading to the g25? If anyone has one and can let me know what they are like it would be appreciated. Ebay has a cple with a few days left that might be the go.

[Blue]

Calm the **** down, dude."Calm the **** down" from an entirely placid state, TAT? Doesn't make any sense. Maybe "don't be so pedantic" would be appropriate, but requesting that somebody "calm the **** down" is implying a level of aggression that simply does not exist in any of my posts. It seems like a fairly inane comment, to be honest.

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As for a hero car, I wasn't really a fan of the R8. It's a decent car, but it looks too similar to everything else Audi are doing right now to be at all soul-stirring. It just seems like an elongated TT to me.

Short of the SLS AMG, the new AMG Black would look nice on the cover. One of the new Gallardo variants could be an option (I'm not a fan of the Reventon, it seems tacky), but I really couldn't go past the 458 Italia.

[REQUIEM]

The new lexus LFA would have made a good cover art car IMO. On sale next year for those lucky yanks so that means we should get it 2011 maybe.

[Lazlow]

Except Lexus don't have the brand identity that Mercedes have.

[REQUIEM]

Except Lexus don't have the brand identity that Mercedes have.

Brand Identity has nothing to do with it laz.

[HiredMan]

Kinda does when marketing a game :/

The LF-A is pretty special though and performance/engineering wise shits all over any road car that M-B have ever produced (with the possible exception of the CLK GTR, but thats a homologated Le Mans endurance racer ;))

[Lazlow]

Brand Identity has nothing to do with it laz.


When selling a product its not the best idea to align yourself with a brand that has a reputation of being "overpriced Toyotas"

Look at it this way; some porn actresses is pretty f***ing hot, but they'll never make it as a fashion model because of the stigma attached to the adult industry.

[Blue]

The LF-A is the only Lexus I have ever liked. It's ****ing incredible. If it were a Honda, I'd like it even more. Lexus is just a shit brand. A boring Mercedes. An over-priced Toyota. This is literally the only decent car they have ever produced, but for the price, they can get ****ed. I mean, they'll sell them, but anyone who buys one is a bit of a duffer. You'd have a bull or a horse on the bonnet for that money, no question. If it were GT-R money, you might just see some on the roads, but I guess that wasn't the point.

[Lazlow]

I thought the IS-F was pretty sweet

[HiredMan]

The LF-A is the only Lexus I have ever liked. It's ****ing incredible. If it were a Honda, I'd like it even more. Lexus is just a shit brand. A boring Mercedes. An over-priced Toyota. This is literally the only decent car they have ever produced, but for the price, they can get ****ed. I mean, they'll sell them, but anyone who buys one is a bit of a duffer. You'd have a bull or a horse on the bonnet for that money, no question. If it were GT-R money, you might just see some on the roads, but I guess that wasn't the point.

Have you seen the price of the thing? You could almost buy a Gallardo and an F430 for the price of it! The engineering in it is absolutely phenomenal though, even with the massive price Lexus are selling each car at a significant loss...

[REQUIEM]

Then lets agree to disagree as I guarantee that NOBODY wouldnt by GT5 because they didnt like the car cover art. It could have a Sinclair C5 on the cover and it would still sell millions of copies.

[Blue]

Then lets agree to disagree as I guarantee that NOBODY wouldnt by GT5 because they didnt like the car cover art. It could have a Sinclair C5 on the cover and it would still sell millions of copies.Yeah, if people buy GT5 despite the physics, then yes, they will purchase it despite the cover art.

[TAT]

"Calm the **** down" from an entirely placid state, TAT? Doesn't make any sense. Maybe "don't be so pedantic" would be appropriate, but requesting that somebody "calm the **** down" is implying a level of aggression that simply does not exist in any of my posts. It seems like a fairly inane comment, to be honest.
For the love of

I was being sarcastic and implying that you'd crossed a line by insulting the man's grammar.

shit

[igotnewsuper8systemWRONG!]

Gran Turismo just brings out the worst in everybody doesn't it? I really don't think I have ever seen another game have a thread so thoroughly full of bickering and argument, and the worst part is that it's still got (probably) another six months till it's even released in the country. It's kind of entertaining though.

[StorminNorman]

Have you seen the price of the thing? You could almost buy a Gallardo and an F430 for the price of it!

As Clarkson pointed out on Top Gear, its top speed isn't 1150ish km/h, therefore it really isn't worth six times the price of a Nissan GT-R.

It's a great car, but the price is just stupid. At that money, you're edging into hypercar territory, and the LF-A is definitely not a hypercar.

[Silverwolf]

For the love of

I was being sarcastic and implying that you'd crossed a line by insulting the man's grammar.

shit

Troll harder bro.

[TAT]

Troll harder buu

























http://www.hyper.com.au/forums/image.php?u=1158&dateline=1261337020

[freeradical]

I'd be surprised if they have anything more than simple standard online racing.

and for the 10 billion "oh, it the real driving simulator dude!" who blindly buy this game, that will be enough

[texta]

Maybe we could have some kind of "Forza vs GT" thread and take this dumb discussion there.

But for the record I ****ing hate games where you fiddle around with decals and different bumpers and shit. If I wanted that I'd buy NFS, so hopefully GT has none of that crap or it's hidden away where I don't have to deal with it.

Anyway, I finally got around to playing the demo the other other day. It was okay, the physics driving on grass/gravel wasn't that great <_<. But I was very impressed with what they could put into 200mb. I'll probably pick this up purely for the nostalgia of it (haven't played a t GT game since GT1). I declare most of the criticism of the demo to be invalid.

[igotnewsuper8systemWRONG!]

Can't wait to play GT5 in 3D!

[freeradical]

I declare most of the criticism of the demo to be invalid.
It's not a demo!!!!! It's a competition!!!!! Apparently!

[Creedy]

Is it just me or does GT5 have a real sense of speed now?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XudnuvBdekQ

[texta]

It's not a demo!!!!! It's a competition!!!!! Apparently!This is a disctinction that the comments in my previous post regarding criticism already covered.

Is it just me or does GT5 have a real sense of speed now?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XudnuvBdekQ That was not the impression I got from that video.

[HiredMan]

Maybe we could have some kind of "Forza vs GT" thread and take this dumb discussion there.

There is one. I've moves some of the recent posts to the GT vs Forza (http://www.hyper.com.au/forums/showthread.php?t=19497&page=3) thread.

[Creedy]

Really really really can't wait to play this.
http://ces.gamespot.com/video/6245184/

:'(

[Creedy]

hahahahaha
I think GT5 has been delayed again.

[Lex]

Crying on the inside.

[Creedy]

Nope, going to start playing Forza 3 tonight.

[Lazlow]

Obligatory Kotaku link (http://kotaku.com/5446924/gran-turismo-5-delayed-new-release-date-tba)

Seriously, wtf?

[Hyperblau]

hahahahaha
I think GT5 has been delayed again.

I am not shocked in the slightest.

[Creedy]

Maybe Japan version delayed for WW release.
Who knows, doesn't affect me and doesn't affect many other people either.

[Blue]

Ha. Forza 4 releases first.

[HiredMan]

Obligatory Kotaku link (http://kotaku.com/5446924/gran-turismo-5-delayed-new-release-date-tba)

Seriously, wtf?

The pun portion of the posts on that article is awesome. Seriously though, this is crazy.

Maybe Japan version delayed for WW release.
Who knows, doesn't affect me and doesn't affect many other people either.

It affects me. If it was as good as it has been made out to be, I'd purchase a PS3 so I could import the Japanese version in March. Meh.

[TAT]

The reason for the delay is that the latest edition of the series will be getting a renaming






















Gran Turismo Forever

http://uyac.com.au/forum/images/smilies/realdolph.png

[Creedy]

So you get to save over $400 for an extra few months, how is that a bad thing?
Or do you already own a PS3?

[Lazlow]

I like how Creedy continues to spin the umpteenth delay, of game that's racked up 5 years in development and a supposed $60mil in costs, as a good thing.

With the lastest batch of DLC for Forza 3 turning out to be incredibly disappointing, I was kinda looking forward to seeing if GT5 will have the older Japanese models that Forza lacks.

Alas GT5 continues to be the game that promises so much, yet fails to deliver.

[Natrak]

lolturismo

[TrinityJayOne]

I was kinda looking forward to seeing if GT5 will have the older Japanese models
Don't worry, 2010 models are going to be classics by the time this comes out.

[Xanafalgue]

They probably need to release GT5: Prologue II to recoup the dev costs.

[Shorty]

Please don't give them ideas.

[HiredMan]

Loliphony.

Seriously, SCE must be hating PD for these delays.... theres some arrangement they have where Sony legally cant force PD to release the game yeah?

[TrinityJayOne]

I'd imagine so. Even still, Sony would have to be pretty stupid to force PD to release an unfinished version of a such massive title with so much anticipation & hype behind it. It be a massive blow for the series as well as the console if you ask me.

[igotnewsuper8systemWRONG!]

It be a massive blow for the series as well as the console if you ask me.

You really think significantly less people are going to buy GT5 because it's getting delayed?

[Creedy]

Most Westerners don't even know of a release date.
Im doubting Sony are annoyed either with so many things coming out in the first 3 months.

God of War 3
Heavy Rain
MAG
Final Fantasy 13
Yakuza3
White Knight Chronicles
Star Ocean 4

Im sure there are other exclusive titles coming out too.

[Blue]

You really think significantly less people are going to buy GT5 because it's getting delayed?That's not what he said at all. :/ He said pretty much the exact opposite. Instead of getting up in arms, just actually read the post properly.

[igotnewsuper8systemWRONG!]

That's not what he said at all. :/ He said pretty much the exact opposite. Instead of getting up in arms, just actually read the post properly.

Yeah I can see where you coming from and that likely was what Trin was saying, but upon originally reading the post that sentence stood out as a comment in regards to the delay.


After your comments I have put serious consideration into Trins post and I'm thinking that the sentence should have been
It would be a massive blow for the series as well as the console if you ask me.

You see without that would there I am lead to believe that Trin is commenting on what has happened being a major blow, not the idea proposed by the previous sentence.

[TrinityJayOne]

Yeah that was a typo, it was meant to read "it'd be a massive...". My bad!

[Creedy]

New trailer, looks great.
http://www.gran-turismo.com/jp/news/d8893.html

EXCITE!!!

[Sweating Bullets]

That looks amazing!! Shame about the delay but I really doubt it will change anything for Sony and PD outside of a minor set back.

[Lazlow]

Oh, was hoping for gameplay footage.

[Blue]

More like an advertisement than a trailer.

[Creedy]

Well ...... it is, it advertises the game and the car.
Polyphony have been doing these type of trailers for the past 6 months.

Car manufacturers want Polyphony to advertise their cars.

[freeradical]

Polyphony have been doing these type of trailers for the past 6 months.

And there in lies the problem. I want varied gameplay footage

Car manufacturers want Polyphony to advertise their cars.

Gamers want Sony to advertise the gameplay

.....

[Blue]

Well ...... it is, it advertises the game and the car.
Polyphony have been doing these type of trailers for the past 6 months.

Car manufacturers want Polyphony to advertise their cars.Maybe if they'd spent that time on the game instead, it'd be closer to being released.
(I know they hardly took any time to make, but **** it, they delay the game again and release a ****ing car commercial. What a crock of shit.)
Ha, I was out of space on my laptop, but I've just cleared up 15GB, through a bit of luck. I never realised that iPhoto kept its own trash, and that all the photos I've deleted over the last few years have still been sitting there, taking up space! Crazy.

[Lazlow]

Car manufacturers want Polyphony to advertise their cars.

FT-86 is a concept car, a joint venture between Subaru & Toyota. As an Ad' it definitely lands at the "wank" end of the scale because it is selling nothing.

[Shorty]

That's enough, Beinke and Blue. Discuss the game or leave the thread.

[Creedy]

Anyone else impressed by this data logger?

http://www.gran-turismo.com/jp/news/d8925.html

Polyphony's driving physics must almost be spot on.

*EDIT*
Video of GT5 at Auto Saloon 2010.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7Vc7VVlsTs

Take note how the graphics do not and WILL NOT like like shit as they were in the TT competition.
Low file size so as many people as possible could enter to competition.

[Hyperblau]

*EDIT*
Video of GT5 at Auto Saloon 2010.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7Vc7VVlsTs

Take note how the graphics do not and WILL NOT like like shit as they were in the TT competition.
Low file size so as many people as possible could enter to competition.

How does that video show any different? Not to mention it's a friggin youtube video. You must be smoking either really good crack or really bad crack.

Edit: Just saw the driver spin out as he did he went past a tree made of two sprites in a cross formation. Quality.

Edit: Also just saw the driver doing about 250k smash into a wall and ricochet back onto the track and keep going and maybe lost about 1 second on the driver in front. So the Gran Turismo magic is still there.

[HiredMan]

Cant watch the data logging vid as I'm at work and cant read the article as it's in Japanese (or at least I assume it is, this puter don't have any language sets on it so it's all coming up as squares with the occasional "GPS" thingo on it) :(

I assume it refers to the new GPS that allows you to lap a track and then load your lap into GT5. Read about that in an article on the Toyobaru.

[Surgeon.]

Anyone else impressed by this data logger?



So, does the GT version and the real life version have the same track time? Would have preferred an entire unedited lap, because that video doesn't really show anything. Give me footage of GT5 and a real lap and regardless of lap times, I could make the same thing.

[Blue]

Bumper car collisions and two-sprite foliage have made the cut. The revolution is now.

[igotnewsuper8systemWRONG!]

Video of GT5 at Auto Saloon 2010.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7Vc7VVlsTs

Take note how the graphics do not and WILL NOT like like shit as they were in the TT competition.
Low file size so as many people as possible could enter to competition.

Looks nice, though I'd really like to see the damage physics

[Creedy]

Yes, cars will most likely keep bouncing off walls until that damage switch is turned on.
When ever the **** that is.

*EDIT*
Not that I care, I have easily bounced off walls and other AI and proceeded to win a race many times in Forza 3. Damage is actually pretty redundent in Forza 3 unless it's a massive collision. I've even had a 6 car pile up on the US city track and still easily won the race without any affect on my steering.
Yes my damage is set to realistic/simulation or whatever it is.

[HiredMan]

Creedy, please kindly keep the Forza3 vs GT5 comparisons in the GT vs Forza thread (since you have made a fuss over it in the past).

[TrinityJayOne]

Yes, cars will most likely keep bouncing off walls until that damage switch is turned on.
When ever the **** that is.

*EDIT*
Not that I care, I have easily bounced off walls and other AI and proceeded to win a race many times in Forza 3. Damage is actually pretty redundent in Forza 3 unless it's a massive collision. I've even had a 6 car pile up on the US city track and still easily won the race without any affect on my steering.
Yes my damage is set to realistic/simulation or whatever it is.
Unless it was a 6 car "pile-up" at walking pace I have serious doubts about your claims. At any real speed a single slam into a wall (doesn't even need to be head on) will do noticable damage to your steering, suspension, and usually engine if it's in the front.

Anyway, It's a touch hypocritical to talk up the game's visuals as shown in a (non-HD) youtube clip recorded from a video camera, when you were happy to say that a non-youtube, direct capture in HD was not doing the game justice.

[Lazlow]

I want to make a Scrubs reference, but he said 6 car pile up >_>

Anyway, It's a touch hypocritical to talk up the game's visuals as shown in a (non-HD) youtube clip recorded from a video camera, when you were happy to say that a non-youtube, direct capture in HD was not doing the game justice.

Actually good point... IIRC when he went on the intial defensive about the demo-competition-whateverthef***itis looking shit in videos, he claimed Gametrailers were to blame for their shit quality.

[Lex]

Creedy really is an amazing troll.

[Creedy]

that SD Youtube video of Nurburgring video already looks better than the TT competition on my very screen. Im sure I admitted the TT looked like crap but said to judge the full game based on the TT was stupid.

As for my 6 car pile up, my transmission was ruined but my handling still unaffected, still won the race. As you can see I never mentioned it in the other thread because I really don't care.
I just think it's silly to criticise one games "rebound physics" and not criticize the other games imperfections. I have experienced a tonne of imperfections in AI, physicsand damage modeling since starting that other game but who cares.It's still a great game and great to play and hopefully I can get a Fanetec wheel sometime.

[Lex]

Truly an inspiration.

[Hyperblau]

that SD Youtube video of Nurburgring video already looks better than the TT competition on my very screen. Im sure I admitted the TT looked like crap but said to judge the full game based on the TT was stupid.


Worst backpeddling ever.