Nintendo E3 2010 Presentation Discussion

[tau]

http://e3.nintendo.com/

OH GOD REGGIE WILL BE TAKING THE STAGE MOMENTARILY Watchout for the announcement for the 3d telekenesis helmet projector with headbang controls

[Cerebral]

Bill just got ****ing told.

[tau]

sigh, zelda is trying to do 1 to 1 sword movement while still having waggle-like preanimated attacks. Even they looked like it was awkward to play the game.

[Cerebral]

This game would look a whole lot better if Shiggy could actually play the ****ing thing.

Seriously the controls aren't working at all.

[tau]

quick someone get a pokeflute, the crowd has fallen asleep!

[Natrak]

At least the graphics are nice.

[Natrak]

Mario...sports resort.

[Natrak]

Reggie is bullshitting.

[Natrak]

Wii Party is not a bridge game. Noone is moving from Wii Party to Metroid Prime.

[tau]

what the **** is this dance ******ry

[tau]

I didn't watch the microsoft one, but was that as boring 40 minutes in as this is? mickey? really? :/

[AranchineD]

The guy behind Deus Ex is talking about choice & consequence in the game, you better ****ing believe Epic Mickey is going to be an awesome game.

[Cerebral]

Am I the only dude who does not give a shit about Kirby

[AranchineD]

Any man who plays that game will have their genitals replaced by a vagina.

[AranchineD]

OMG NEW DONKEY KONG 1!1!1!!!!i1

[Natrak]

Retro Studios Donkey Kong Country looks ****ing awesome.

[AranchineD]

So analogue stick, one widescreen screen, the ability to turn off the 3D effect, improved graphics, sounds like a good deal.

Also those two cameras mean you can take 3D pictures, I don't give a toss about that but it's an interesting idea.

[tau]

"Sorry to keep you waiting!"

NOW THAT'S HOW YOU DO A GAME REVEAL VIDEO

[AranchineD]

Shit, if that's the 3DS graphics, then that's a pretty big step up from standard DS.

[tau]

But sorta on par with PSP though :S

[AranchineD]

Yeah but in 3D!

[Natrak]

Oh wow. An 'IT PRINTS MONEY' reference.

[AranchineD]

Well, it's over.

Shit, how am I supposed to keep hating on Nintendo now?

[Banjo Tooie]

Nintendo didn't miss a ****ing beat. Didn't know they still had this kind of shit in them.

[Banjo Tooie]

http://e3.nintendo.com/ keep watching the magic!

[Jickle]

Holy shit, that was great (Zelda demo ****-ups aside).

[fishonthecarpet]

That was pretty ****ing good. Donkey Kong, Epic Mickey, Kirby? Ooh yeah.

Anyone else think Zelda looked arse? :/ Graphics were awful. Bastardisation of TP and WW... taking the models from TP and infusing it with the colour of WW yet not the cel-shading style... looks bland.

[Stevorooni]

I thought they would have made the 3DS look a bit less like an upgrade to the DS to lessen confusion for stupid people, but it looks pretty cool.

and zomg Donkey Kong country and new Zelda Wii

I'll check out videos and hopefully better screenshots than photos of a theatre screen at a more reasonable hour. At least I was more prepared this time, this morning I just woke up at 2am, reached under the bed and grabbed the laptop instead of getting up like some sort of sucker


Goodnight Hyper

[AranchineD]

Starfox confirmed on 3DS.

Yeah, I saw the ship earlier in that little ad, I was hoping that was a subtle hint and not just a tease.

[Natrak]

Needed more Metroid Dread.

[Cerebral]

Anyone else think Zelda looked arse? :/ Graphics were awful. Bastardisation of TP and WW... taking the models from TP and infusing it with the colour of WW yet not the cel-shading style... looks bland.

Agree. Unlike Wind Waker, the shading doesn't bring anything new to art style, and only serves to dilute the detail of the characters and environment. I don't know what they're going for exactly.

[Natrak]

I really liked the visuals, although I would have preferred they went completely in the Wind Waker direction, but with the 'adult' link model.

Still pretty hyped by the Donkey Kong Country Returns trailer tbh. Think I might go play some DKC while I wait for the Sony conference.

[Silph]

http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee317/Silphage/1276622434398.jpg


Good show, Nintendo. :)

[grimace06]

New Zelda artstyle screams A Link to the Past to me.

[AranchineD]

Well we all know that the final judge on the quality of this new Donkey Kong game will be IRS. I'll wait for his verdict.


Also I said it in the other E3 thread, but with 'Skyward Sword' being the name of the new Zelda game and all, anyone else think there could be an airship of some kind involved in the game?

[Cicada]

Well this completely kicked Microsoft to the floor, quite an impressive number of titles as well, especially for the 3DS, though I suspect we'll be waiting a while for most of them. Was hoping Donkey Kong would have a little more than straight 2D, but it looks to be awesome anyway, as does Kirby's knitting extravaganza.

The Zelda demo was... a little worrying; I'm inclined to believe there were technical difficulties otherwise they wouldn't have been so brazen in displaying it, plus the gampeplay footage looks a lot more fluid. They talked about the art style being painterly and impressionistic, but I'm only seeing that about a quarter of the time. Hopefully it'll look better not projected and with a few months more polish. If they can get the rest of the game looking as good as Link standing in the grass during that montage/intro thing, then it'll be pretty sweet.

[tau]

I think the technical difficulties were made to look like the game being shit due to the way they set up the fake dialog between the two. Miyamoto telling the guy that he was doing it wrong, and then failing himself to do anything remotely fluid was hilarious~

[Cicada]

I don't think they intended for Miyamoto to be completely unable to demonstrate any items other than the whip and a bow that's too heavy for Link to aim anywhere other than his toes though.

[Cerebral]

http://press.nintendo.com/E32010/3DS/FACT_E3_UpcomingGames_3DS.pdf

Log in with guest : nintendo

Starfox and Mariokart both confirmed

[AranchineD]

See, now I'm disappointed, because a lot of those games don't appear to be new games, but 3D version of old ones.

[Cerebral]

The presskits have a shitload of screens for games they didn't announce.

E.g:

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/6705127/3DS_DOA3D_03ss03_E3.pnghttp://dl.dropbox.com/u/6705127/3DS_MGS3D_01ss01_E3.png
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/6705127/3DS_SSF4_04ss04_E3.pnghttp://dl.dropbox.com/u/6705127/3DS_ResidentER_02ss02_E3.png

Goddamn, some of these have to be target renders.

[Xanafalgue]

Very, very impressed with the 3DS. Did we get an indication as to how powerful it is compared to the current consoles/PSP?

[AranchineD]

Dude that Kid Icarus game is a 3DS game. That's the indication of it's graphics, as tau said before, almost PSP level.

[Natrak]

It's basically a PSP with 3D and games. Sounds pretty great.

[banjoeskimo]

Now that was a return to form. Best damn Nintendo conference I've seen in a long while.

I really don't know why everyone's bitching about the Zelda art style. I for one think it looks gorgeous, and that it's going to age a lot better than the likes of Twilight Princess. If you doubt me, go boot up TP on a 720p HD set. No really. I'll wait. That game looks like shit on a new TV simply because "realistic" textures don't scale well. The decision to go with something simpler and cleaner was the right one IMO.

Gameplay hiccups were unfortunate, but I'm with Natrak on this one. Given my experiences with WMP I think this could work out quite well. Link holding his sword at 1:1 while running around looks a bit goofy, but I'm willing to put up with that if it means they've actually shaken up the franchise this time.

The rest of the surprises totally blew me away. Yarn based Kirby game? Awesome. Donkey Kong Country!? I nearly passed out with joy. And they finally got around to a new Kid Icarus? Holy shit. Epic Mickey looks like a lot of fun, and while I'm on the fence about GoldenEye I'm pretty excited to see how it pans out.

I really hope Nintendo takes note of how successful this year was. A refocusing of their emphasis on games, games, games was the right way to go. I've actually got a small laundry list of games to look forward to over the next year, and that's not something I've been able to say frequently as a Wii owner. Way to rock, Nintendo.

[Fenrir]

So, do we actually know anything new and significant about Skyward Sword? That just seemed to show off a few items, questionable control mechanisms and a visual style.

I'll look at everything else later.

[fishfishmonkeyhat]

omg ABAHB for the 3DS!

[Nic Xtreme]

That was a terrible reveal for Zelda. We already knew it was going to use Motionplus, so the sword fighting and bow controls aren't really a surprise, and we know these are going to work fantastically based on Wii Sports Resort. The graphics look a bit bland, with the shots we've seen so far showing a rather empty world, and the whole game engine is recycled from Twilight Princess (which was from Wind Waker) meaning it just looks like Twilight Princess 1.5.

I think they needed to focus on a reveal that put a bit of...oomph...into the game. Show off what makes it special. Majora's Mask didn't look or feel like OoT 1.5 because of the incredible gameplay systems and unique atmosphere. The trailer on that E3 Nintendo site is weaksauce :/

Oh well, it's Zelda, so it's going to be awesome.

Now where's my 3DS Zelda game using the Majora's Mask engine?

[Stevorooni]

I LOVE the artstyle for Zelda, but I'm a Wind Waker fan so anything chanelling that gets the thumbs up from me

[Nic Xtreme]

Now why didn't they show any flying in the trailer! In Iwata Asks: "The sky plays a key role in this game." :/

EDIT: Now I see what you mean. The art style is shown off much better in screenshots than the dark-scene-heavy video. COLOURFUL! (http://www.nintendoeverything.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/skyward_heroes-4.png)

Also: Where the hell is the Vitality Sensor? I was expecting a new Wii Fit with it or something. Maybe they've smartened up and realised that you don't show that sort of thing at an E3 conference. And Pikmin 3 :(

[Jickle]

I doubt we'll see the new Zelda before 2012. Miyamoto said we'd be "waiting until next year", but Zelda games always get delayed.

The 3DS (3-D movies without buying a $2000 TV, shit yeah), Epic Mickey and Donkey Kong Country Returns stole the show for me. Kirby looked awesome too. This is Nintendo's best E3 since the Gamecube days.

Edit: Ocarina of Time 3D! (http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/ocarina-of-time-3ds-on-show-at-e3)

[AyatollaofRocknRolla]

Woah nice showing from Nintendo. New Zelda, Donkey Kong, 3DS, Golden eye.

Also: Zelda OOT confirmed for 3ds! Day one purchase. :P

[ireadtabloids]

Woah nice showing from Nintendo. New Zelda, Donkey Kong, 3DS, Golden eye.

Also: Zelda OOT confirmed for 3ds! Day one purchase. :P

Where was it confirmed? I'm intrigued.
Sometimes I think I might rather buy a new game, but it could be interesting...

[^gR]

Hey guys. Technology is a tool

Am I the only one constantly underwhelmed by the Zelda Cell shading? I just..don't rate it. I mean it's cool, sorta, but I just prefer the style of graphics like in Twilight Princess ..

edit: also, I will be getting naked and playing this Zelda game :)


charge up with the power from heaven? what the **** is this?!

[ireadtabloids]

Hey guys. Technology is a tool

Am I the only one constantly underwhelmed by the Zelda Cell shading? I just..don't rate it. I mean it's cool, sorta, but I just prefer the style of graphics like in Twilight Princess ..

edit: also, I will be getting naked and playing this Zelda game :)

Yay for you.

Umm...
I prefer the cel-shading. The colours in Twilight Princess were too dull and pale. This gives a bit more life too it without being as obvious an effect as Wind Waker. I'm pretty happy they kept the WindWaker style enemy designs.
Might well be the best looking Zelda yet!

[^gR]

Yeh that's true. I didn't mean to say it was bad, it's just different. I'll still give it the exact same amount of time and love as I have with every other Zelda game :)

[Stevorooni]

charge up with the power from heaven? what the **** is this?!

solar powered sword, it teaches people to go green!

[fishfishmonkeyhat]

If anyone wants to watch it, the video is finally working here:

http://e3.nintendo.com/e3-presentation/

[Cubby]

I'm actually liking the look of this Zelda, though the trees/branches could use a little more detail.

[REQUIEM]

The 3DS reaction was positive to hear.

[RunningMild]

New Kid Icarus, Donkey Kong, Kirby, Pilotwings and a Ninja Gaiden game for 3DS? I think I might spend the next 12 months crying with joy. :D

[borgster101]

Nintendo's conference was all about the games, and there was a lot of really good content, awesome :D

[9warbane]

Looking forward to Donkey Kong Returns the most.

Sort of odd that MGS3 Snake Eater is going on the 3DS.

[fishfishmonkeyhat]

It's more powerful than the wii.

[fishfishmonkeyhat]

Seriously, the Wii isn't getting Street Fighter 4!

[Stevorooni]

The DS has a lower screen resolution, so if it has the same grunt as a Wii it can do more with that power because it doesn't have to display as much.

I'm guessing that the bottom screen will just have power meters or something

[^gR]

I posted this in the General Gaming thread, but it belongs here too

http://art.penny-arcade.com/photos/903426984_Tg2it-L.jpg

[fishfishmonkeyhat]

I would have posted it too, but since it'll just end up deleted I didn't bother.

[^gR]

Yeh I realised it had swearing. ****.

but its relevant :(

[Cubby]

I know it's a forum rule, but I don't get the swear filter. What person older than 7 doesn't swear, or know the words?

[fishonthecarpet]

great logic

[^gR]

Why don't they just implement an optional swear filter? Surely that's not hard? And the default option is to have the swear filter turned on, and you have to jump through a few hoops to turn it off? Not that it matters, it's just lame that such a great image that's sure to get laughs from the majority that view it is gonna get taken down :p

altho i spose I could have just linked to it, but its not the same

ah well!

[Cubby]

I thought you weren't suppose to link to swearing either? *shrugs*

[Fenrir]

Some positive feedback from a Skyward Sword hands-on (http://gamrreview.vgchartz.com/preview/45669/the-legend-of-zelda-skyward-sword/80503/)

I'm beginning to think that the visual style may be well-suited - it just really, really needs to be fleshed out. Actually, based on the artwork released last year and what was being said back in December about "realistic" visuals, this style was probably a recent decision.
Anyway, a few more positive impressions along these lines on the controls would probably settle me on the matter, but there's no real point making anything of it before actually getting a chance to play the game.

That said, all up they haven't unveiled anything new other than that the graphics are going sort Celda-ish and "the sky is important". Everyone even loosely tied to the project who has spoken of it has insisted that the old formula is going the way of the dodo, and that's probably going to make or break this game.

EDIT: Wikipedia is on-the-ball (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wii_zelda).

Also, maybe we should get a dedicated Skyward Sword thread fired up.

[Stevorooni]

Man I feel like firing up Twilight Princess again now just to prepare myself, even though this game won't be out until next year

[REQUIEM]

I Played zelda on my wii for only a couple of hours on the Day of launch got bored and played wii bowling till my wii got left behind and only dusted off for Mad World and Deadly Creatures. then it slept till Wii sports resort (15mins later) it slept in silence again till Monster Hunter tri.

[Stevorooni]

Well sucks to be you then, because you missed out on a fantastic game

[Jay]

And a whole bunch of other really cool experiences that couldn't be replicated on the other consoles until next September. The dusty Wii gags are dustier that the Wiis themselves these days.

[AranchineD]

Big call Jay, because that's pretty damn dusty.

[Stevorooni]

At the bare minimum mine still gets used for Mario Kart at least once a week

[Slippery]

My Wii hasn't been used in over 6 months.

But then again I haven't played a console at my own house for a few months.

<3 PC, it has more Surgeon more of the time.

[tau]

I've been playing it shitloads lately, actually. Latest games have been MHTri and going back to MGS: Twin Snakes to finally get more than 10 minutes into the game.

[^gR]

Awesome @ feedback for Skywards Sword. Tbh even if the feedback was balls, I'd still be buyin this game on release and bending it over.

I havent even finished Twilight Princess yet, which is ****ed, I'm gonna have to get back into that shit and smash it. **** you WoW and your incredible amount of time you take up -_-'

And **** you, girlfriend, for the same reason :@

[Cubby]

Yeah, I got quite a way into TP but never finished it either :(

[fishonthecarpet]

*hugs gamecube version*

**** you waggle, world map inversion and pointless pointing shit... this is the way to go

edit: most of all, **** you annoying fairy who has NO PURPOSE WHATSOEVER and makes annoying noises and won't go offscreen

[Allick]

I haven't watched any gameplay videos, but from the screebshots it looks like this has awesome graphics, perfectly suited to the Wii.

[Cicada]

It looks better in screenshots imo, you can see more of the 'brush-stroke' style and subtle depth of field/motion blur they seem to aiming for. I agree with Fenrir that the style needs to fleshed out, especially considering most people believe it to be cell shaded when it apparently isn't. They need to do more to differentiate it from the 'Twilight Princess done in Wind Waker' perception.

[tau]

I'm not totally sold on the direction they're taking, but tbh I find it infinitely more interesting than realistic style shooter #410429.

[fishfishmonkeyhat]

http://img820.imageshack.us/img820/466/e32010inanutshell.gif