The Ace Attorney Thread: Phoenix Wright/Apollo Justice

[Suteki]

Haven't come across the thread for this one yet, so I thought I would make one. This is one of the only titles I have ordered where I was intrigued by the game description alone. I believe one or two members here have the game already, so be interested to hear there thoughts as I ordered the game from play-asia (was shipped minutes after payment went through also :what?: )

Quick run down on what the game is about;

Meet Phoenix Wright, the rookie defense lawyer new to the scene with the wildest cross-examination skills in town! Take on five intriguing cases to reveal dramatic, stunning, and even comical court proceedings. Use both the dual and touch sensitive screens to investigate the crime scenes, question witnesses and present shocking evidence. "Objection"...It's outrageous fun! You won't be able to put down this laugh-out-loud, riveting adventure!

What mostly got me also was this little tid bit;

Language: English/Japanese (selectable)
Gamespot Editor's Choice E3 2005 Best of Show "Best Adventure Game" Award
Play from the first person perspective through five intriguing cases
Two distinct gameplay segments:
Investigation phase – survey crime scenes, interview witnesses and gather evidence to use in court
Court phase – present findings from the investigation, listen to testimonies, examine witnesses, and determine the truth to prove your client's innocence
Colorful cast of characters

So anyone already have / planning on getting this one?

[Suteki]

err...don't suppose a mod could edit the title of the thread, I am abit brain dead today.

[DekarTyphon]

I'll probably buy it. I've been on a non-genre kick as of recent.

[dj-tinklez]

http://img71.imageshack.us/img71/7527/imgp08750yh.jpg

:)

Finished it a couple of days ago. It's definately not for everyone, but I loved it. Excellent cast of characters, great, challenging cases to solve (playing both lawyer and detective is heaps fun) with a few unexpected plot twists, and I really enjoyed the wacky humour. Thing is, once you've completed it once, there isn't much to no incentive to play through a second time as you'll know what to do. It is, however, pretty lengthy for this kind of game -- about 12-15+ hours to complete all five cases.

But yeah, despite it's lack of replay value, that one play through is really awesome stuff and enough to warrant a purchase.

[Quatters]

I'm looking at getting this, I know it won't be released in the UK so I'm going to import it when it comes out in the US on 17th Oct from lik sang


Also Tinkelz, what's all that extra stuff you have with it?
Does it come with the game?

[AyatollaofRocknRolla]

I've been interested in this game since I first read about it. I will have to look into picking it up at some stage as it sounds like a good game.

[dj-tinklez]

Quatters, it's the Japanese limited edition. Along with the game itself, it comes with the official soundtrack, a comic book (which I can't understand as it's in Japanese -- some cool art though), a quirky "Objection!" pointer stylus and a mobile phone strap.

[THEMAN]

http://img71.imageshack.us/img71/7527/imgp08750yh.jpg

:)

Finished it a couple of days ago. It's definately not for everyone, but I loved it. Excellent cast of characters, great, challenging cases to solve (playing both lawyer and detective is heaps fun) with a few unexpected plot twists, and I really enjoyed the wacky humour. Thing is, once you've completed it once, there isn't much to no incentive to play through a second time as you'll know what to do. It is, however, pretty lengthy for this kind of game -- about 12-15+ hours to complete all five cases.

But yeah, despite it's lack of replay value, that one play through is really awesome stuff and enough to warrant a purchase.


that's one awesome looking boxset. How much did it cost? If its reasonable, I might import because the game has jap/eng built in. Looks mad total.

[tau]

I'll probably buy it. I've been on a non-genre kick as of recent.

non-genre?

Phoenix Wright is an adventure game. =/

[TRON]

http://img71.imageshack.us/img71/7527/imgp08750yh.jpg

:)

Finished it a couple of days ago. It's definately not for everyone, but I loved it. Excellent cast of characters, great, challenging cases to solve (playing both lawyer and detective is heaps fun) with a few unexpected plot twists, and I really enjoyed the wacky humour. Thing is, once you've completed it once, there isn't much to no incentive to play through a second time as you'll know what to do. It is, however, pretty lengthy for this kind of game -- about 12-15+ hours to complete all five cases.

But yeah, despite it's lack of replay value, that one play through is really awesome stuff and enough to warrant a purchase.
Sounds like Another Code only it takes abit longer to finnish.

[Suteki]

My copy came in today, yet to get a go though, my flatmate has currently run off with my DS and meteos.

I'm keen to check it out.

Btw, anyone notice the GBA cartidge on the last page of the manual? Whats the go with that, extra cases or something coming out maybe?

[dj-tinklez]

that's one awesome looking boxset. How much did it cost? If its reasonable, I might import because the game has jap/eng built in. Looks mad total.

Set me back about $90 at Play-Asia (they've since sold out though). IMHO, wait for the US version which I think is out next week -- $40 at PA!

[Suteki]

Yeh play asia have the US version for $40, noticed that today, but I had already paid for and had my copy arrive today at the regular price :(

Just cruised through the first case, probly took just shy of half hour so I am assuming the cases start building more complex from here on. Was good the exercise the cranium, nothing too taxing on the first case but it feels good to notice the glaring contradictions in the testimony and then point prove they were lying. :)

[dj-tinklez]

Yeah, the first case really is only a training case to settle you in. The cases thereafter gradually get harder especially since you *MINOR SPOILER: don't get the advice from Mia for reasons I imagine you would have found out by now. ;)

[CAPTAIN HUNTER]

man i cant wait for the PAL release of this one.
it looks very ... different. but a 'normal' DS game if i do say so myself.

but is it being released here?
BECAUSE IF IT ISNT!! HEADS WILL ROLL!!

[Suteki]

I doubt it will get a local release, Australia I don't think will get too many 'off the wall' releases which really the Nintendo DS excels at. Even if it doesn't, might be time to start considering importing, I don't plan on purchasing any DS titles from Australia anymore.

[KickyFunkFresh]

It's meant to be released Feb 28th here in aus.

[Suteki]

That soon eh?

[THEMAN]

It's meant to be released Feb 28th here in aus.

this forum needs a rolling laffie. :puke:

[Quatters]

Set me back about $90 at Play-Asia (they've since sold out though). IMHO, wait for the US version which I think is out next week -- $40 at PA!

Oh man.
I want the cool stylus!
Oh well, normal version for me then.

[aubergine]

So what, it's some kind of logic-puzzles game? You read text statements and deduce who's bullshitting? That could be cool... I hope it does get a local release.

[lum]

got 8.8 at gamespot, i mite be importing soon

[Suteki]

I have to say I have thoroughly enjoyed this game, moreso than any console game I have recently bought and more than Ouendan or any other DS title. Being another adventure type title it was also superior to Another Code: Two Memories. I dunno whether others have enjoyed it or will enjoy it as much as me but I have loved every second of it; challenging, intriguing storyline plot twists, crazy characters, animation and artwork aswell as some geniunely laugh out loud moments.

I've been so hooked on this game its ridiculous. I'm up to the last case, thought it ended after the fourth when the credits came up, could have sworn there was a fifth so thought it odd. After the credits it unlocked the last case and I can sort of see why they put the credits after the fourth case, the fifth case is sort of a parody of the previous cases and some other changes are made (the ability to rotate and check court records in far more detail, unsure why this wasn't incorporated into the rest of the game, very strange as it works well, similar to that of the inventory of Resident Evil) but above all the sheer craziness of the last case. I'm still unsure of whether my flatmate dropped acid in my drink or not such is the bizarreness of the fifth case.

Anyone that has finished or started on the fifth case, whats the go? The detective is dressed up like his walked off the set of an American spaghetti western lingo and all, the cough up girl whom I believe is a chracter from a previous case but can't quite put my finger on which, atm I am assuming Vasquee or whatever her name was, the strange statues and memoribilia in Edgeworths office. Totally whacked.

Still haven't found out what the go is with the GBA catridge of Phoenix Wright is on the back cover of the manual, I am praying it's like an expansion with more cases similar to what is happening with Diagaso Band Brothers.

[dj-tinklez]

Glad to hear you liked as well Suteki. :D

The first 4 cases are basically ports of one of the GBA games (first or third one I think). The fifth case was made for the DS specifically, hence it makes better use of the the system capabilities. I was a little disappointed however, that it lacked the humor of the first 4 cases.

Oh and yeah, a new Pheonix Wright game is already in the works! IRC, it was mentioned at a recent DS conference along with a host of other games for the system. :D

[Suteki]

Really, I'm finding the fifth case hilarious.

Oh and Phoenix Wright was on the GBA?

[DeeMan]

I've ordered this from Play-Asia, at $43 delivered, i couldn't say no. Apparently the storylines really make the games, so here's hoping...

[dazza826]

ordered. have it and havent stopped playing

[bigmouser]

Oh of course. I forgot about this game. I'll have to go get it right now. I was think I was going to have to wait until zatch bell (http://www.zatch-bell.com) comes out for the SP before I had another handheld game to play. They were coming out pretty slowly for a while there.

Thanks for the thread.

[aubergine]

There's a fair few good games out on DS now, unlike say two months ago...

[Jickle]

Is this still due for February next year?

[Suteki]

just import it, Play-Asia have it for $29 USD, which is around $38 Aus, then postage and you get it for under $50AUS

[The Brett]

Just doing my bit for all the lovely ladies who haven't picked this up:

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Phoenix-Wright-Nintendo-DS-Mint-Condition-Rare_W0QQitemZ8271260404QQcategoryZ111760QQssPageN ameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

[AyatollaofRocknRolla]

Thanks, The Brett. I've been trying to get my hands on this game for a while. Hopefully it wont get bid up to high.

[The Brett]

This is such a great game, seriously. I don't know if it's because I'm a law student, but I just find myself lolling all over the place at the hilarious parody of the US Civil Court system evident in this game. This is the first game to make me laugh in a LONG time.

I look forward to offerring a review in the Handheld Review thread once I'm done with it. So far, linearity hasn't been an issue because the stories are incredibly interesting, but my only qualm would maybe be that the game babies you along a bit too much i.e. it's really hard to lose. It's also really hard to win, though.

Any fan of text-based adventures, or old-school point and click games definately should pick this up. It's a blast.

[Jickle]

I'm getting it next week. Huzzah? Huzzah.

[RunningMild]

Is this a sequel to the original one?

[gaselite]

So I got this game a little while ago and got around to playing it this week. I've only played the first 2 eps but I'm really impressed so far. It's really good, charming fun. It's a sort of passive experience as far as gameplay goes, but it's still completely engaging. It's charmingly written with some great characters (I was pretty sad about Mia dying even if though it was just after one small chapter), quite ludicrous and a lot of fun so far.

[Jickle]

So since I last posted I've imported and finished this game.

Awesome game. The satisfaction of slowly unraveling a witness' testimony is just fantastic. A lot of people wouldn't like how text-heavy it is (it even started to grate on me a tiny bit at times, as despite the fantastic writing, you will do an *awful lot* of reading), but the puzzles are just so satisfying it doesn't matter.

It's also rather lengthy for an adventure game. The final trial (each chapter has between 1 and 3 trials, with evidence gathering inbetween) took me about two hours straight to finish, and had so many twists and turns....unbelievable. Gaselite, look foward to the 5th chapter- the DS' abilities are put to really good use here.

I'd totally review this game if it weren't for the fact that it's way hard to find a copy.

[/backslash]

Received this in the mail today (along with Trauma Center & Brain Train). I can see myself wasting an entire day playing this after spending just over an hour for the first chapter and wondering when & how I could save it since I didn't bother reading the manual (eventually I pressed 'start' just to see what would happen and whacked my forehead seconds after). I adore the character design, the voice recognition (I can't believe how creative this handheld is), the thinking process and counterattacking (as I call it) the witness. The only thing I hate so far is some of the sound coming through the speakers, occasionally sounding identical to my brick Gameboy in Mario Tennis whenever the crowd cheered. Perhaps I should try and find myself some decent headphones..

If only court cases were as exciting as this. When I attended Jury Duty last year for a 5 day case, not once did a lawyer yell out "Objection!" the way Phoenix Wright did, it was done in a calm and simple manner instead. Hell, they didn't even say "Take that!". And the evidence we got given for our case only contained a few sheets of paper with phonenumber and durations along with some photos of the hotel room where the event took place. No blood stains/fingerprints on the weapon or anything like that. The only evidence we didn't see (and could've proven important) was a 23 year old girl's pair of underwear. The one that the boyfriend told his gf to put in a plastic bag as evidence (true, I'm not kidding), yet we didn't even see a photo.

A great game and a must for anyone who owns a DS.
For those that don't "Take That!" :P

[borgster101]

Glad to hear you're enjoying it backslash, it really is a lot of fun, and it made me laugh many times :lol: . Yelling "Objection" into the mic never gets old either :P

[pheelics]

Perhaps I should try and find myself some decent headphones..


Just thought I should mention a decent pair of headphones, ie $50 sony ones, makes DS sound a whole lot better. Most notably in mario 64DS, using headphones makes the music so much better, you can actually hear the base lines and stuff.

[Conky]

Glad to hear you're enjoying it backslash, it really is a lot of fun, and it made me laugh many times :lol: . Yelling "Objection" into the mic never gets old either :P

I recently purchased the Japanese version of this game so I don't have the english manual. With the voice aspect do you get this ability later or can you just yell it straight away?

I have only played the first case so far as this is a game I feel needs a lot of time devoted in one sitting to really appreciate.

[/backslash]

I recently purchased the Japanese version of this game so I don't have the english manual. With the voice aspect do you get this ability later or can you just yell it straight away?

I have only played the first case so far as this is a game I feel needs a lot of time devoted in one sitting to really appreciate.
You can use it at anytime. Whenever you see the microphone icon on screen, you're free to yell into the mic. Hold the 'Y' button to turn on microphone recognition and yell "OBJECTION!". Make sure you yell loud enough to wake up the dogs in your neighbourhood :D

And yes, you do need to devote alot of time. I'm trying to do solid parts of it at one time. Like for the second case I spent around an hour collecting evidence and asking people questions, moving to various locations. Once I got up to the court room, I turned it off. If you can do a whole section of something, your mind will stay fresh and you'll remember important things. Whereas if you did bits and pieces, not really completing sections, you're more likely to forget. Whilst not too important, it does break up the appreciation value

[S_Sail]

I Love Phoenix Wright :o

[StompBrother]

I've almost finished this game. Damn that final chapter is long. Almost half the game.

It's certainly a well done point and click/text adventure. Who knew courtroom drama could be this fun. I look forward to the next edition. does anyone know if the GBA versions also have the English language option?

-Stompy

[/backslash]

It's certainly a well done point and click/text adventure. Who knew courtroom drama could be this fun. I look forward to the next edition. does anyone know if the GBA versions also have the English language option?
No, the GBA versions do not have an english option. I think it's mainly because GBA cartridges didn't have the capacity to fit a dual language.

Instead, there's fan translations, like this one (http://comebackcourt.sourceforge.net/screenshots.html). But it's really not worth the hassle, best bet is to rely & wait for a DS remake of Gyakuten Saiban 3. Gyakuten Saiban 4 however is compatible with the DS which means it'll probably have dual languages as with Phoenix Wright1/2, though it's release date is TBA

The lasted game in the series, Gyakuten Saiban 4, is slated for a release in Japan Q4 2006. It is said to feature similar gameplay, but the story will take place 7 years in the future, and feature new protagonist Housuke Odoroki. Being the first GS game developed specifically for the NDS, the game will also feature extra features such as fingerprinting, 3D evidence manipulation, and 3D modeled crime scenes.

So far, these characters are confirmed:

Housuke Odoroki: Defense Attorney and new protagonist.
Minuki-chan: Odoroki's sidekick and a "mysterious magician."
A witness: A short person with a hat and carrying a tray...?
The Judge: The original Judge from the GS series is in several screenshots.
Winston Payne: The Rookie Killer himself is back with a new suit and a fabulous mullet.

In a recent interview with 1up.com producer Matsukawa intimated that their localization team was playing aorund with coming up with an English name for Odoroki, suggesting Capcom does intend an American release for GS4. Whether the Japanese release of GS4 will feature a dual language option has yet to be announced.

Creator Takumi and producer Matsukawa also held an interview with Famitsu magazine on the subject of GS4. You can download scans here:

Famitsu article: Page 1 (http://www.croik.com/PW/gs4-1.jpg)...2 (http://www.croik.com/PW/gs4-2.jpg)...3 (http://www.croik.com/PW/gs4-3.jpg)...4 (http://www.croik.com/PW/gs4-4.jpg)...5 (http://www.croik.com/PW/gs4-5.jpg)

Other than the interview itself, several things in this article are worth noting in the screenshots:

-The Judge and Winston Payne are back.

-The description of Odoroki's lawyer badge is as follows: "My treasured badge. Just wearing it makes my chest tighten up."

-In one screenshot Odoroki is thinking, "Should ask sensei about what testimonies are?" This indicates there may be some kind of avoidable tutorial mode, and also that Odoroki has a mentor figure with him. Who that might be hasn't been said yet.

Here's a translated snippit from the article:


Interviewer. What kind of person is Odoroki?
Taku: A hot blooded, mischievous, lively young man.

Interviewer. What's that bracelet on his left arm?
Taku: That was added because it looked kind of bare when he would yell "OBJECTION!" But it looks like it should have some kind of meaning, and several people have asked, "What's that for?" So now we're trying to think of a reason for it."

Interviewer: Oh man (laughs). I really thought it meant something! ...Can you tell us the truth?

Matsu: When you see the logo you'll understand. Aside from it sparkling, I think it [the bracelet] will become symbolic of GS4.

Taku: I hope everyone doesn't think about it too much. If too many people think things up, someone will end up being right (laughs).

Interviewer: Was it hard to come up with a new main character from scratch?

Taku: "It was a real struggle. Everyone I came up with would end up like Naruhodou no matter what I did. I made Naruhodou talk mostly like I do, so I muddled through it a lot this time. Furthermore, Odoroki uses "ore" instead of "boku." I really had to put the old characters out of my head.

["ore" and "boku" are both Japanese words for "me". But "ore" is more masculine and, for lack of a better description, more bold and confident than the more polite and neutral "boku".]

Interviewer. What role will Minuki-chan play?
Taku: Same as Mayoi.

Interviewer. Why is she a magician?
Taku: Felt like it... (laughs). She almost ended up a tradesman's daughter who sees everything in terms of money. Like "This testimony is worth 350 yen!" or something (laughs). [aka, that's not how she is, that's how she would have been, if she weren't a magician]

Interviewer. What's her personality like?
Taku: She's a precocious young girl, the kind that stands up on her toes to get at you (laughs)

Interviewer. And the name Minuki?
Taku: I wanted it to be an unusual name. But I hear people wonder about the "nu".
Matsu: "Nu" doesn't sound right in a girl's name (laughs)

Interviewer. How did you come up with Odoroki's name?

Taku: For Naruhodou-kun, I really like the phrase "naruhodo," so when coming up with names in the old game it came to me easily. I really like mystery novels, and in mysteries the "Oh, I see" feeling comes up often. When thinking of a name for the new protagonist, I thought that "surprise" was another word that came up often in mystery stories. So when I said "How about Odoroki-kun?" to the team, it seemed to fit the best. Though I did think of a few more.

Matsu: There was also Ikinari-kun.

[ikinari means "all of a sudden"]

Takumi: It sounds like a newspaper comic strip (laughs)

Matsu: The feeling is that if not for Odoroki-kun, he would have been Ikinari-kun.

Takumi: But we couldn't find good kanji for it.

Matsu: That's true. It was difficult. But when we came up with "Housuke" for his first name, everyone said, "Well, that's all right, then." The design was the same way. The Odoroki the main designer came up with, and the Odoroki that Takumi had been thinking up fit very well together from the start.

Takumi: That's right. But though we were able to come up with the name Odoroki-kun pretty easily, finding Kanji for it was really hard. What do you think...?

Matsu: I don't like the "mud" (laughs). It's really bothered me. But when we asked the team, they thought it would be all right if we sandwiched it between "king" and "happiness."

Takumi: There wasn't anything else. We even said if the game really doesn't work out, we can change "king" to "dirty."

[The three kanji that make up "odoroki" are King, Mud, and Happiness.]
There was also a rumor circulating on the Japanese site 2chan, supposedly leaked by a Capcom employee. It hasn't been confirmed, so this should only be taken with a grain of salt.

[Nic Xtreme]

I've missed something here...which versions of Phoenix Wright have both English and Japanese languages on them? I can't find Ace Attorney anywhere...but there are Japanese versions everywhere...

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I've missed something here...which versions of Phoenix Wright have both English and Japanese languages on them? I can't find Ace Attorney anywhere...but there are Japanese versions everywhere...
Phoenix Wright (Gyakuten Saiban) 1 (http://www.play-asia.com/paOS-13-71-9g-49-en-70-1bpr.html) & 2 (http://www.play-asia.com/paOS-13-71-9g-49-en-70-1iyq.html) have english and japanese. The second game (2) isn't released until Oct 26. And all these games from 1-4 were originally made for the GBA a few years ago, but now they're being revamped for the DS. Make sense now? It's like the screwing around part of early Final Fantasy versions

If you want just the normal US versions, click here (http://www.cduniverse.com/productinfo.asp?pid=6877414&style=games&cart=392083166&BAB=M) and here (http://www.cduniverse.com/productinfo.asp?pid=7243429&style=games&cart=392083166&BAB=M)

But for the US version of PW2, you'd have to wait until 24th January 2007. Whereas compared to the japanese version with english language, you only have to wait until the 26th October

[borgster101]

You can use it at anytime. Whenever you see the microphone icon on screen, you're free to yell into the mic. Hold the 'Y' button to turn on microphone recognition and yell "OBJECTION!". Make sure you yell loud enough to wake up the dogs in your neighbourhood :D
Well you cant use it at anytime, only when you're trying to find a contradiction in the witness testinomy, it will be displayed on the screen what you have to yell out.

So basically the yelling out segments are like so:

"OBJECTION": when you point out a contradiction in the witness testinomy
"TAKE THAT": when you are forced to prove a theory or idea you have.
"HOLD IT": when you want to press the witness, i.e. get more information on a particular part of their testinomy.

In all cases, you hold Y and yell out the words. It's not perfect, sometimes you'll have to say it a few times, other times I noticed it actually worked by saying something similar, like "FAKE THAT", "BOLD IT" etc :P

[/backslash]

Well you cant use it at anytime, only when you're trying to find a contradiction in the witness testinomy, it will be displayed on the screen what you have to yell out.

Well of course you can't use it "anytime". That'd be stupid, especially if you're just looking for evidence in a murder room and suddenly yell out "Take that!". But the way VindaLiu originally asked made it sound as though "do I unlock this later?". That's what I meant by "anytime"

I recently purchased the Japanese version of this game so I don't have the english manual. With the voice aspect do you get this ability later or can you just yell it straight away?

Unfortunately I've got a really sore throat now, think I'm coming down with a cold :( So no more shouting for the next few days..

I noticed it actually worked by saying something similar, like "FAKE THAT", "BOLD IT" etc
:lol: Classic!

[Gemerald]

I wish I could buy this game but I'd need to buy a DS too. If only I had the cash :(

[S_Sail]

So....looks like Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney is coming out in Australia on the 8th of March 07 (http://games.nintendo.com.au/title.php?id=985)

[Jickle]

That's great news for the 3 and a half people who wanted it who didn't cave and import!

[borgster101]

It's good to see it finally get a local release :) Though we would have all been playing Justice for All by then :P

[gaselite]

Skeet Skeet so happy at local release date, even though DVD Crave will have it early Jan so I'll get it there, that's still great news.

Edit: Oh, the first is getting the local release, not the sequel, my bad >_>

[Manny M]

I just grabbed this game, and have been playing it fairly solidly since.

Overall impressions... AWESOME! I'm loving the DS so much of late... so many great titles, but most of all, so many refreshing and new titles... and this is such a prime example.

From the cartoon style, to the comedic reactions from everyone involved in the game, I can't help but feel so... entertained throughout every instance of the case. Not to mention the feeling of achievement is gives you when you finally get the drop on the prosecutor due to pivotal evidence being thrown... no SMACKED into the witness' face. Also, due to the 'tug of war' nature of law itself, the game brilliantly gave me a feeling of anxiousness when things weren't going my way.

That being said, I found it incredibly frustrating (only further adding to my anxious feeling) to so solidly contradict a witness' statement, only to have my contradiction thrown out because 'they forgot' or were 'confused'. YOU STUPID JUDGE!

Just finished the second case... and the damn thing went on for so long, that I assumed I had finished the game when I finally completed it... but no, more cases are sitting there (that's a good thing).

If you want to play a game that is a mix of those old adventure/exploration games, but with the added ability to use your exploration to aid you in the intellectual tug of war prelavent in a court room, then i really recommend you get this game.

Loving it!

[PrattP]

Sounds good. What is it's ranking in your favourites?

[Jintor]

It's ranking a 3 (being beaten by Justice For All and Elite Beat Agents right now). :D

But I'm sure you weren't asking me.

Really, it's an adventure game in Lawyer form. The other part I'm enjoying about it is whipping it out during legal studies and yelling Objection into the microphone. :D

[borgster101]

I just grabbed this game, and have been playing it fairly solidly since.

Overall impressions... AWESOME! I'm loving the DS so much of late... so many great titles, but most of all, so many refreshing and new titles... and this is such a prime example.

From the cartoon style, to the comedic reactions from everyone involved in the game, I can't help but feel so... entertained throughout every instance of the case. Not to mention the feeling of achievement is gives you when you finally get the drop on the prosecutor due to pivotal evidence being thrown... no SMACKED into the witness' face. Also, due to the 'tug of war' nature of law itself, the game brilliantly gave me a feeling of anxiousness when things weren't going my way.

That being said, I found it incredibly frustrating (only further adding to my anxious feeling) to so solidly contradict a witness' statement, only to have my contradiction thrown out because 'they forgot' or were 'confused'. YOU STUPID JUDGE!

Just finished the second case... and the damn thing went on for so long, that I assumed I had finished the game when I finally completed it... but no, more cases are sitting there (that's a good thing).

If you want to play a game that is a mix of those old adventure/exploration games, but with the added ability to use your exploration to aid you in the intellectual tug of war prelavent in a court room, then i really recommend you get this game.

Loving it!
Make sure you get Justice for All Manny, it's just a good as the original (though it has one less case the first game, so its less value in a sense) but still if you like the first one, the sequel is more of the same awesome stuff, and in the case of Ace Attorney that is a good thing! :D

I'm on the 3rd case in Justice for All now, the second one had quite the twist, and of course the humor remains in tact in the sequel :lol:

[Nic Xtreme]

I just started Justice for All, on the 2nd case now, it's all very exciting. I love it!

[Jintor]

2nd case... I've left it alone for a while so I can use it in my Mock Trials. :D Just whip it out at the save point and...

[Manny M]

Sounds good. What is it's ranking in your favourites?

Damn, haven't even thought about a list of favourites. It's definitely up there though... within the top 10.

Mike: Will do... if I ever finish this one (time factor)

[borgster101]

Mike: Will do... if I ever finish this one (time factor)
Ah yes, of course ;)

Just started the 4th case in Justice for All, looks like its going to be a long one, not sure if it will be as long as the 5th from the first game though, we shall see.

[Jintor]

The one thing I don't see eye-to-eye with in Phoenix Wright is the amazingly large use of "SUDDEN SPIRITUAL SUMMONING!11!1!!!" as a Deus Ex Machina, which is weird because I cheerfully accept all the other stuff (e.g. Larry's last minute save in the 4th case in Ace Attorney... uh... i can't think of any others right about now but I'm sure there are more.)

[Manny M]

For the first time yesterday, I hit the 'Y' button and yelled 'Hold it'... I was on the toilet at the time and I forgot the echo that goes on in there... needless to say, when I walked out of the bathroom, everyone outside was looking at me strangely.

[madmangohan]

Then you should have pressed 'Y' again, pointed your finger and yelled Objection! to them.

I'm on case 3 of Justice for All. One thing i've found is there is profiles are used alot more as evidence in this game, which is really annoying, as they're the last things you try when you've hit a stumbling point.

[Jintor]

It seems fairly intuitive to use most things when you use them.

I like presenting profiles, though. It's fun how people react to them... and they're more likely to react to them than to items.

I love shoving my badge in people's faces, though.

[Jickle]

Been playing Justice For All, and thinking about how much I want a Wii Phoenix Wright. Wiienix Wright, but without the terrible pun. I think pointing the remote like Phoenix's famous finger-point would be just as good as yelling "Hold It!".

[borgster101]

For the first time yesterday, I hit the 'Y' button and yelled 'Hold it'... I was on the toilet at the time and I forgot the echo that goes on in there... needless to say, when I walked out of the bathroom, everyone outside was looking at me strangely.
Hahaha, awesome man! I always yell out the words :D Yelling Objection is the most fun, espeically when you know you've broken that lying witness! :P


And yeah Jintor howing off the badge is always fun :D

Speaking of Justice for All, I just finished it, the final case was awesome, so many twists and turns on par with the final case/s in the first game in my opinion. Brilliant stuff :D

Now hopefully the third game will be released in English :)

[madmangohan]

I love shoving my badge in people's faces, though.
I wasted a good 20 minutes once because I tried to present everything I could to further the converation, only to try the 'badge' in despair, and finding it to work.
I think you had to present the badge once in the first, but the game kinda hinted that to you.

Sometimes though the story gives you no real hints as to what you have to do next (case 3 is a good example, especially in the first investigation). You're basically left trying every item and profile with all the characters until you finally find the right one that furthers the conversation.
I swear I spent over an hour in chapter 2 just trying to further the story that one more step (after failing the 2nd psychelock 1000 times trying every bit of evidence to break it).

But when you finally break out that right evidence and the story flows again, it's a great thing and you forget all about the time you wasted.
One thing I do pray is that the credits that end the last trial is just as good as the second credits in the last game.
Interactive credits are the best, especially ones where you fingerprint pictures of the characters!

[Nic Xtreme]

I just started the third case of Justice for All today, and I'm really loving it to bits, just as I did the first one! I really hope they localise all the Phoenix Wright games, the story must go on!

[Gemerald]

Does anyone remember Broken Sword type games, it's a little similar with regards to playing a bit of a detective and interacting with things on the screen (but not yelling out things etc). If only Pheonix Wright could get me out of a parking fine :P

[Jintor]

I wasted a good 20 minutes once because I tried to present everything I could to further the converation, only to try the 'badge' in despair, and finding it to work.
I think you had to present the badge once in the first, but the game kinda hinted that to you.

Sometimes though the story gives you no real hints as to what you have to do next (case 3 is a good example, especially in the first investigation). You're basically left trying every item and profile with all the characters until you finally find the right one that furthers the conversation.
I swear I spent over an hour in chapter 2 just trying to further the story that one more step (after failing the 2nd psychelock 1000 times trying every bit of evidence to break it).

But when you finally break out that right evidence and the story flows again, it's a great thing and you forget all about the time you wasted.
One thing I do pray is that the credits that end the last trial is just as good as the second credits in the last game.
Interactive credits are the best, especially ones where you fingerprint pictures of the characters!

Yeah, don't you hate that? Thank god for the l+r+start+select reset. If there was a save option that didn't suspend play...

Finished the 3rd case last night. God damn that was a weird case. It actually managed to throw me off until I thought about it properly... good ending, though. Hehe, Maximillion Galactica. What a dick.

I actually started to wing it near the end, because I didn't have it completely pieced together (although Phoenix did, apparently). I based my answers to what had been previously done in other cases, and... well, from there it became obvious.

von Karma's a scary woman... *shivers*

[borgster101]

Heheh, von Karma's whip is nasty! :P

[/backslash]

Still only played the 1st episode so far with a little play of Episode 2 - been busy with Hotel Dusk atm. Anyway whilst doing my usual Play-Asia browsing I came across this:

Phoenix Wright (Gyakuten Saiban 4 [Limited Edition])

http://image4.play-asia.com/640/PA.84535.002.jpg

No price as yet, doesn't even say if it has optional english dialogue but one would say so. Release date is April 12th. As long as it's not too expensive (say $90-ish) I may purchase it :D

edit: YesAsia says $135 - ouch! (http://global.yesasia.com/en/PrdDept.aspx/code-c/version-nds/section-games/did-5/pid-1004628370/)

Box contents:

* Gyakuten Saiban 4
* Gyakuten Saiban 4 Headsphone
* Gyakuten Saiban Encyclopedia
* Gyakuten Saiban Animation DVD
* Gyakuten Saiban 4 Box

Click here for more info (http://www.play-asia.com/paOS-13-71-9g-49-en-70-1t87.html#related)

[Manny M]

They're up to #4 already?

[Jickle]

Finshed Justice For All last night.

Loved cases 2 and 4. 3 started off well enough, but the conclusion was a bit... far-fetched. I won't go into details, because obviously since its yet to get a local release not everyone has played it, but yeah. Case 4 was really excellent though, totally made up for it. Shame there's no DS-specific case, Case 5 in the first game was awesome.

[/backslash]

They're up to #4 already?
I think they're skipping 3 and going onto 4 instead. Perhaps #3 wasn't popular enough to be rereleased in Japan?

[Not Matt]

Hahahaha I was just trawling through Wikipedia and came across this in Marilyn Manson's bio

"In an interview given, it is noted that Manson is a fan of the video game "Phoenix Wright", as he stated "My friend also got me this japanese lawyer game, it's ******ing amazing.""

Still need to get myself a copy of the game :(

[borgster101]

I think they're skipping 3 and going onto 4 instead. Perhaps #3 wasn't popular enough to be rereleased in Japan?
Apparantly an English release of the 3rd game is dependent on the sales of Justice for All. It hasnt been confirmed that the 4th game will have an English option in the Japanese version. I think its because Capcom would prefer to release the games in order in English, which means that there might be a wait for the next English Ace Attorney game until Capcom decides what to do .....

[madmangohan]

sadly it may mean no more dual language releases of it, which is kinda a shame. It's was cool like that.
I wont be shocked if 3 gets a translation and a release. I've heard it's been selling well and ti's got some good chances.

[Jintor]

They better translate GS3! There's no way I'm going straight to 4. : (

[El nombre]

Anyone picking this up on the 8th? I'm thinking about it, I'm unsure at the moment.

[aubergine]

I've already played the US release of Ace Attorney. If you haven't played it, definitely buy it.

I'm into Justice For All at the moment, but it's officially not as good, so far at least. The game just isn't logical like the first one was, I keep having to make random guesses as to what the right evidence is, and can't be bothered with that sort of gameplay when it means I have to replay from chapter points or save points all the time, pain in the arse. I hate using walkthoughs, but I've consulted one twice now just to avoid the tedium of random evidence selection.

The first Ace Attorney had a few situations which were similar, but usually it was a choice of 2 or three bits of evidence which all made sense. Justice For All, though, it's so far being none too clever. Hopefully it gets better further into the game.

[borgster101]

Anyone picking this up on the 8th? I'm thinking about it, I'm unsure at the moment.
Buy it, its a brillant game :D

aubergine: I finished Justice for All and had a great time, but yes I did run into those tricky situations, you have such obscure evidence that seems irrelevant to the case, but the solution is there if at times a bit abstract. Keep at it though, the later cases are great, especially the 4th one, well worth it! :D

[Kasplatza Red]

I bought the first DS game from play-asia a few days ago (along with ouendan!) I'm looking forward to it (and if it dissappoints, I'll blam ALL OF YOU!)

[Space_Monkey]

This comes out on the 8th of March?

I almost picked this up whilst in the city (an import) I didnt and I've been kicking my self since! So the 8th???

[El nombre]

This comes out on the 8th of March?

I almost picked this up whilst in the city (an import) I didnt and I've been kicking my self since! So the 8th???
Yep, mark your calendar.

EDIT: It's being advertised in the latest Big W catalogue for $54.92.

[Nic Xtreme]

Buy! Buy! Now peoples!

Up to Chapter 2.2 of "Farewell, my Turnabout" in Justice for All, and I'm loving it so very, very much.

I think maybe the fact that I don't like it as much as the first one has little to do with the exclusive 5th case, and more so that there isn't as much character development with the main characters in JFA as what occurred in the original. Nothing can really touch the fourth case in Ace Attorney, in terms of its labour of love to the most awesome "puffy-shirt" character ever.

But I still love both games, and I'm really looking forward to Gyakuten Saiban 3! And 4! ZOMG! Bring them all on! Plus more! Mooooore!

I know that Capcom stated that they have no plans for Phoenix Wright to stray from the DS platform (I know there is a mobile ver., but yeah)...but PW really is a game that could have its own channel on the Wii, and run via episodic content. Keep it 2D, and it could be fairly cheap and easy to produce content for! Then the dream will never die! As long as they keep it endless. The biggest problem would be the Wii's lack of "let's access the SD slot to play games"...which would mean Memory is a biiiig problem for this sort of thing...

I mean, they'll make more money off the DS versions, but I mean if they ever get sick of it *'sif they will!*

Just an idea I had one day.

[El nombre]

I bought it and am playing it right now. It's a little bit slow right now, though it's only the beginning, it's pretty interesting though.

[aubergine]

aubergine: I finished Justice for All and had a great time, but yes I did run into those tricky situations, you have such obscure evidence that seems irrelevant to the case, but the solution is there if at times a bit abstract. Keep at it though, the later cases are great, especially the 4th one, well worth it! :D

I'm in the second case and it was the early stuff in that case's trial which was making me insane. Things have improved a great deal though. I don't mind lateral thinking puzzles - things which maybe only make sense in hindsight - but the places I was stuck on were just totally random and made no more sense once I tripped the right thing, not like "oh! of course!"

[Nic Xtreme]

The fourth case of JFA is excellent. It definitely has a great deal of character development, more so than the previous chapter, and Pearls is *just* too cute.
The writing is also excellent too.
"Would you like some cheese with your vintage whine?", and, on the visit to the "Hotti Clinic" in the fourth case (lawlz @ "Director" Hotti's convos!) tap on the man walking on his crutches. Best. Translation. Ever. And an oh-so clever self-referential joke.)

Awesome game. Damn the PW games are brilliant...

[borgster101]

Keep at it aub, because as WhyMe says, the fourth case is soo worth it :D

[Nic Xtreme]

Finished JFA a few hrs ago, loved it to death! The fourth case really rocked hard! I mean, that's not to say the others didn't, but this one really did!

Great ending, too, love the way conversations with characters are included within the credits, so as to not make it boring!

Woo! Bring on an English Gyakuten Saiban 3! 5 cases ftw!

[Space_Monkey]

Loveing this still!

Up to the Steel Samurai case I'll admit the Monkey Magic references are a high light.

[El nombre]

I'm up to case 4. It's a pretty good game, I'll probably sell it once I finish it. Anyone wanna put dibs on it before I finish it?

[Space_Monkey]

Got my first Guilty verdict last night... :(

[Nic Xtreme]

I got my first guilty verdict recently too ;)

[bobthenerddestroyer]

Laywer Games- for people who could never afford to defend themselves in a real court

'oh no he didn't'

[Nic Xtreme]

Objection!!

[El nombre]

Laywer Games- for people who could never afford to defend themselves in a real court
OBJECTION! (http://objection.mrdictionary.net/go.php?n=1806954)

[Speckman]

I see that stores have FINALLY started stocking Ace Attorney now. I might pick it up if I can muster the cash.

[aussiecs]

Picked this one up not so long ago, and quite frankly, I love it. But it's too short (or maybe I played it too much, too quickly?). I wish we got the Japanese release that came with the sequel included (from what I gather).

[madmangohan]

I'm almost finished with Phoenix Wright 2.

Unless there's some ultra mega twist (which I know wont happen), i'm quite dissapointed by this last case. Must be my experience with the first game, but I wasn't really that shocked by what has happened in it to this piont.

Not to say I haven't enjoyed this game. But it just seems to be less surprising than the first.

[Nic Xtreme]

The Japanese release didn't include the sequel, it was released later!...and I thought it was a very long game!

I'm almost finished with Phoenix Wright 2.

Unless there's some ultra mega twist (which I know wont happen), i'm quite dissapointed by this last case. Must be my experience with the first game, but I wasn't really that shocked by what has happened in it to this piont.

Not to say I haven't enjoyed this game. But it just seems to be less surprising than the first.

I was rather shocked by a certain...sprite change...in the last case. Very surprised! And I also thought that instead of a shocking twist, the character development involving Edgey and Wright was brilliantly done!

[Ali G]

Is it a good idea to have played the original before Justice For All, story-wise? Or are they completely seperate?

[S_Sail]

It's probably better to play the first one, yes. You get to know the characters and the second one doesn't establish them as well.

[Nic Xtreme]

BAD IDEA! FOOLISH FOOL! (don't nep me! It's a PW in-joke!)

They are heavily linked, and while the cases aren't completely linked, you are left in the dark with the different character's relationships from the old game, and many jokes/references/characters that receive no introduction in the sequel are from the first one.

I would not have enjoyed Justice for All as much without having played the original!

And since they are the best games on the DS IMO, you should pick both up!

[Ali G]

Ah, ok. I just saw that Justice For All was $40 on DVD Crave, and I figured that if there wasn't any reason to play the first before the second, I'd pick it up. I might do that anyway, though.

[borgster101]

Yeah, you have to play the first game before the second, as already said there are various references in the 2nd game that you wont understand without playing the first. The first game also has more cases and is therefore a longer game as well, so there's no reason to get the 2nd game first, since it doesnt really improve anything its more like an expansion pack, providing new cases.

[aubergine]

The first game is a masterpiece. The second game is not a masterpiece, it's only really good. Well, so far at least. I'm just starting the third case (and there's only 1 more to go) and so far it hasn't had the level of humour and general brilliance of the first game which I can't recommend highly enough.

[S_Sail]

Does the second game still have the awesome soundtrack?

[El nombre]

and I thought it was a very long game!
I think it's way short. I was expecting about 8 or even more cases, though theres a lot less and has made me feel ripped off, even though it's a great game.

[Nic Xtreme]

5 cases = around 20hrs for me, at least. And for a text adventure game, that's bloody long! I thought, anyway.

The second game's music didn't grow on me until a few cases in, but then I loved the soundtrack as much as the first! Quite a few songs stand out, including the "Search ~ Core 2002" one that plays after the "sprite ZOMG change" in the 4th case.

[NiB]

I just picked up ace attorney on the weekend for my GF, she is loving it and is up to case 4 in about 10 hours.

Where does it come in as far as the series chronology goes. Is AA the second game ?

And this "Justice for all" is that the original or is there one before that and are they both on DS ?

PS: God bless the Japanese love of fan service ;)

[Nic Xtreme]

Ace Attorney is the first of the Phoenix Wright games.

Justice for All is the second.

Read the previous page!

[Ali G]

Finally got the first game today (I've been meaning to get it for nearly a year now). I've just finished the first courtroom part in the third case, and it's probably some of the best fun I've ever had in gaming. I'm going to order JFA as soon as possible.

[Marcu]

Finally got the first game today (I've been meaning to get it for nearly a year now). I've just finished the first courtroom part in the third case, and it's probably some of the best fun I've ever had in gaming. I'm going to order JFA as soon as possible.
Is it worth $70, G? I decided not to buy it today whilst at EB because I didn't want to waste any money. Recommended? I need a new game to keep me busy :P

[aubergine]

It must be played.

[Nic Xtreme]

Best. DS game. EVAR.

[KickyFunkFresh]

Started the third case not long ago. I've been taking my time with the game for the most part. I'm enjoying it so much that I want it to last as long as possible. I'll definately be getting JFA sometime over the next few weeks :)

[Ali G]

Is it worth $70, G? I decided not to buy it today whilst at EB because I didn't want to waste any money. Recommended? I need a new game to keep me busy :P
God yes. It's simply the best DS game I've ever played. Heaps of fun, great characters and interesting cases.

I just finished the first day of court in the 4th case. Seems to be a very good case, and I'm loving von Karma's voice when he says "objection!" He sounds like a monster. The only disappointing thing is that the court parts are way better than the investigating, but the investigating is cool too. I'm totally trying to spread out my playing time, but it's not really working.

[madmangohan]

So I finally finished Justice for All.

I quite enjoyed this second outing. Although it has improvments, I find it hard to rank it any better than the first game. The last case honestly provided some interesting turns at the end, but it was nothing ultra unexpected. Had the potential with that 4th piece of evidence to blow me out of the water, but it kinda was crummy.
Nevertheless it was one hell of a good sequel to one of the greatest games to touch our ds's.
The third better get a damn translation and release here soon.

[Zip]

So, when does Justice for All come out in Australia?

[watkinzez]

So, when does Justice for All come out in Australia?

Hahahahaha
:(

(Don't bother waiting) (http://dvdcrave.com.au/products/product.jsp?pid=29124)

[Lazlow]

aw man.

Gyakuten Saiban 4 (ie the 4th in the series and native to the DS) has been listed on Play-Asia for pre-orders, as its released on the 12th of April. Sadly, they've opted for a Japanese language option only. :(

[ElPresidente]

I'm on the final (post-credits) case of the first game and I have to say I have enjoyed it.

However the investigation segments are bloody awful and have far too many moments where you have to have visited the right place at the right time with little indication why that should be.

Apart from that, great fun.

I'd also like to let anyone with the faintest hint of legal knowledge know that this game will frustrate you no end.

Here are two of the many incorrect observations of the law the game makes:

The burden of proof rests on the defense.

In reality it is the other way around. The minute the defense is able to produce evidence that creates a reasonable doubt that the defendant is guilty the case is over. In Phoenix Wright it is assumed you are guilty until you can find proof of innocence. Not proof of guilt which is how it works in real life.


Accidental Murder is still Murder

No it isn't. Murder is only murder when there is appropriate mens rea (ie: state of mind). In other words you can only commit murder if you intended to do so. When a person dies at the hands of another by accident it is manslaughter because the courts quite rightly believe that killing someone without intending to is not quite as naughty as meaning to do it in the first place.

There are plenty of others that bugged me as I played. Granted, none of these make the game bad but damn it was frustrating. Grrrr.

None of these are exactly well kept legal secrets and I find it annoying that for a game based on law the developers did not at least try to get the basics right.

[watkinzez]

I found it interesting how crimes committed by minors were still considered as serious as adults. Case 4 in particular..

[Ali G]

I'm on the final (post-credits) case of the first game and I have to say I have enjoyed it.

However the investigation segments are bloody awful and have far too many moments where you have to have visited the right place at the right time with little indication why that should be.

Apart from that, great fun.

I'd also like to let anyone with the faintest hint of legal knowledge know that this game will frustrate you no end.
My thoughts exactly. I too am on the final case, and what you've said has basically summed up my thoughts of the game. Great fun, though the court segments are way better than the investigation. I noticed some problems with the laws presented too, though in the manual there is a disclaimer that all the laws are fiction. And I guess the game would be pretty boring if you didn't have to present evidence etc.

[madmangohan]

Pheonix Wright turns the boriness of court into something actually worth going to.
Same goes for Trauma Centre. It has the same basis as real life, but is far more interesting and better.

[Nic Xtreme]

Gyakuten Saiban 3 no more!

Phoenix Wright: Trials and Tribulations -- Sept. 27th

http://gonintendo.com/?p=15827

Yeah, I don't care if it is a rumour...you don't come up with random dates and random names like that. Laugh it off as untrue if you like, but I have no doubt that come its announcement, it shall all be revealed!

ZOMFG I CANT WAIT!!!!1!1!1111!!1

[Space_Monkey]

And number 1 only just came out over here?

[Nic Xtreme]

That's the rumoured, alleged US date ~! They got the second game in the series in Jan (I do believe). I'll just import, like many PW fans love to do! EARLINESS FTW

Apparently that retailer caught wind of RE4:Wiimake early too, so I equipped it with a "Credibility +1" blunt weapon.

ZOMFG! PW3! >.<

[El nombre]

Finished Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney last night, I enjoyed it. The final case was really fun and long. Great game.

[Kasplatza Red]

I'm chugging through the last case - I like how the DS features are implemented - especially the voice recognition, as corny as it is.

[Quatters]

I got PW:AA yesterday, finished the first case, pretty easy but huge amounts of fun!
I can't wait to get further!!

[Game Boy116]

Just finished PW:AA, I've never been so drawn into a game like that before the game just fantastic and loved every moment of it always kept me on my toes. Such brilliance.

And with news of PW:3 confirmed I think Capcom has yet another brilliant franchise(what am i kidding they always have hit games :D)

I hope PW: JfA gets a release soon :D

[Lazlow]

And with news of PW:3 confirmed I think Capcom has yet another brilliant franchise

They always HAD a brilliant franchise, albeit trapped in the asian market.

PW1, 2, & 3 = old GBA games, ported to DS.
PW4 = DS native title.

And with the pathetic release schedule that we've seen these last 12 months, you're better of importing. I got a hold of PW:JFA late last year.

All you need is a bank account and http://www.play-asia.com

[Lazlow]

Gyakuten Saiban 3 no more!

Phoenix Wright: Trials and Tribulations -- Sept. 27th

http://gonintendo.com/?p=15827

Yeah, I don't care if it is a rumour...you don't come up with random dates and random names like that. Laugh it off as untrue if you like, but I have no doubt that come its announcement, it shall all be revealed!

ZOMFG I CANT WAIT!!!!1!1!1111!!1

This is probably why Gyakuten Saiban 4 was released (last Thursday) with Japanese language support only. Probably won't see and english version of that till Christmas if we're lucky. :(

As a teaser though...

The game takes place seven years after Gyakuten Saiban 3 (so far only released on GBA™ in Japan) and is the first game in the series that no longer features Phoenix Wright (Ryuuichi Naruhodoh in Japanese) as the main character. This time, you take the role as Housuke Odoroki, a 22-year-old lawyer fresh out of school. His legal partner is a magician named Minuki, his mentor is named Garyu Kirihito, and his prosecuting rival is Kirihito's younger brother and famous rock star, Garyu Kyoya.

Once again, your task in this game is to gather evidence, interview witnesses, and survey crime scenes to prove yourself. A new feature is the Minuku System. The bracelet on Odoroki's left arm can be used to zoom in on witnesses to gather information about them. It is used primarily in court to look for motions or actions made by witnesses that show nervousness, like playing with one's fingers. The move even comes with a new phrase, "SOKO DA!" which in English means "right there!"

That last part sounds pretty awesome.

[Nic Xtreme]

But will Nick himself make an appearance in Gyakuten Saiban 4? Indeed, I must buy 3 & 4 and be super-excited! ~o~

[Space_Monkey]

Wait they Westernized the main characters name to Pheonix Wright?

Still looks great.

[borgster101]

But will Nick himself make an appearance in Gyakuten Saiban 4? Indeed, I must buy 3 & 4 and be super-excited! ~o~
I believe Nick has a role in the 4th game.

Excited for the 3rd one!! You play as Mia in the first case :D

[Nic Xtreme]

Yeah I know he does...I just didn't want to spoil it ;)

Darn obsession with GoNintendo...

[Game Boy116]

I wonder how long the series has been running in Japan

[Slurry Murray]

Since 2001 if I remember correctly.

Can't wait for PW3. Apparently it's the most realistic of the three, so I hope that means less spirit channelling crap, cartoon samurais and circuses.

[Game Boy116]

Wow 2001, damn Japan always get the good games :(

[Nic Xtreme]

I'm just listening to the "Cadenza -Gyakuten Saiban 1-" album, a remix of a variety of Phoenix Wright 1 songs, and it is brilliant!

I'm going to have to find their other albums and get stuck into them, too...

I recommend all who enjoyed the PW1 soundtrack to search out a copy >_>...

[Quatters]

I'm still playing through Ace Attorney. The 4th case is hard! But loving it!

[Azzaman]

I picked this up on Monday and have just gotten up to case 4 this morning. Great game, so good infact that last night I put the dosh down and imported the next one from play-asia.

Here's hoping me finishing case 5 is seamless to when the next one arrives at my door :D

[Nic Xtreme]

Case 4 and 5 are really long. Look forward to their brilliance!

[Jay]

I've really just got to take the plunge with this I reckon. JB had it for $54 a few weeks ago, but it's back up to $66. :(

[Emilbus]

Just finished AA, loved every moment. Will probably import JFA very soon. Btw was looking around Youtube and found this very funny promo video for TGA 2005.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jns2Dlv9S9w&mode=related&search=

[Game Boy116]

Damn that title needs being corrected

[borgster101]

Go for it Jay, the game is awesome :D

[Space_Monkey]

I'm still playing through Ace Attorney. The 4th case is hard! But loving it!

Is that the too men on the lake case?

If so I'm asumeing this is the last case, it just seems like the climax, confirm?

If it is what an awesome game, easily my fav of 2007 except perhaps hotel dusk.

[El nombre]

Space Monkey, that's not the last case :)

[Space_Monkey]

Space Monkey, that's not the last case :)

*Soils self*

[Quatters]

Is that the too men on the lake case?

If so I'm asumeing this is the last case, it just seems like the climax, confirm?

If it is what an awesome game, easily my fav of 2007 except perhaps hotel dusk.

Nope. There's one more. Apparently the first 4 cases were designed for the GBA, hence no need to use unique DS controls, but the 5th case has mic, stylus and other DS unique features.
I'm up to the fourth case as well! How awesome is it!
Edgeworth!?!?!?!

[borgster101]

Just wait till you get to the 5th case guys, HOLY CRAP!

[Game Boy116]

Objection!! :-P

[aubergine]

It's true. The fourth case was the original end-game case for the Japonly GBA version, and the 5th case was created for the DS edition. So you basic get two epic end-game cases for the price of one!

Justice For All was not as great as Ace Attorney, it's a bit uneven, but it comes good in the end, the last case is terrific and the game is worth getting (they still have it for $40 at dvdcrave I'm pretty sure). Make sure you play the first game first though.

[StompBrother]

I'm playing thru Justice For All now. All the great memories of the first game has come flooding back. I love how they wormed a tutorial level at the start. Can't wait for the new , and I mean all new, DS sequel soon. It has a grown up Maya pointing fingers!!!!!

*bangs desk*
*points finger at aubergine*
OBJECTION!!!

-Stomps

[Quatters]

It's true. The fourth case was the original end-game case for the Japonly GBA version, and the 5th case was created for the DS edition. So you basic get two epic end-game cases for the price of one!

Justice For All was not as great as Ace Attorney, it's a bit uneven, but it comes good in the end, the last case is terrific and the game is worth getting (they still have it for $40 at dvdcrave I'm pretty sure). Make sure you play the first game first though.

$30.51 at Play Asia.

http://www.play-asia.com/SOap-23-83-296d-71-ba-77-1-49-en-15-phoenix+wright-84-j-70-1d7y.html

[borgster101]

I loved Justice for All, and I'm looking forward to the 3rd game to complete the original trilogy and then finally the 4th (DS exclusive) one sometime after that..

[AyatollaofRocknRolla]

I got Justice for All earlier this week, and have almost completed it. The last case is excellent so far. It's not quite as good as the original (only four cases), but still a good follow up.

Definitely looking foward to the DS exclusive game. Should be great.

[Sweating Bullets]

Just got this game and I suck at it.

Will try again at it tonite.

[Nic Xtreme]

Anyone seen the E3 Trials and Tribulations trailer?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bv3anOUKcmY

I love how it pokes fun at itself @ 00:27, 00:30 & 00:34

Well, that's how I've interpreted it...

I cannot wait!

Oh, does anyone else find it sad how Mia died? I mean, they totally were into each other. They could have totally made a hot couple...

[ireadtabloids]

Yeah it was a sad moment. He was probably thinking, "She's going to ease me in to my first big case". But then it turns out she is *spoiler*.
Massive shocks for all involved. I doubt romance would have fired up until he was a well respected laywer though. He was simply too young and inexperienced about the ways of the world for her to get involved.

In the second case I somehow managed to come up with evidence that made complete sense in my mind but the game was so linear I couldn't work towards the same conclusion on a slightly different slant. Still a great game though. I got it for $35 bucks at Big W. Bargain!

The fifth case had me trying to work out how I managed to pin the crime on someone else for weeks after I finished the game. But it all makes sense now, with a bit of logic. I actually kind of wanted her to go to jail and the others to go with her for other crimes. But then there isn't any piece of mind.

The game got me thinking though. These lawyer fellows don't care about morals, they only want to look after their own interests. Prosecutors want guilty verdicts, so they attack the main suspect and defense lawyers want their man to be innocent, no matter how far fetched the theory for their innocence. Maybe it balances out in the end though... Cheers!

[Javer]

I got Justice for All earlier this week, and have almost completed it. The last case is excellent so far. It's not quite as good as the original (only four cases), but still a good follow up.

I've almost finished this game and while the last case is total ownage, the other three cases are a mix of lame and annoying. Thankfully i didn't pay full price for it.

Also, the DS Exclusive game, isn't Phoenix Wright. It is titled Apollo Justice: Ace Attorney and features a new protagonist.

[borgster101]

But before Apollo Justice comes along, we have Trials and Tribulations coming, like in September or something right? WOO! :D

[madmangohan]

August 23 :P

[Nic Xtreme]

ZOMG!

http://gonintendo.com/?p=22205

Crap.

This is why I don't know if I'll import the JP version early -- maybe I'll wait for the US one so GS4 comes here...

[Javer]

Sounds to me like a case of 'lets make everyone buy Trials and Tribulations via extortion'

[Nic Xtreme]

I know but it is SO not worth the risk!

[madmangohan]

I'm still gonna import it. As hell i'm not waiting to get a lesser product for more.
PW and PW2 didn't sell cause everyone already imported them to begin with.

[/backslash]

Phoenix Wright 3 (USA release) has been delayed until the 24th October (http://www.cduniverse.com/productinfo.asp?pid=7442725&style=games&BAB=M)

So who's going to import it (23rd August)? I ordered my copy from Yesasia.com and used this coupon code to get US$3 off WGASIA3. I think it only works for new users though, I accidently setup 2 accounts a while back, so I used the one that I never purchased it and behold! Saved some money!

Only cost me $31.46 delivered and yes, the JAP version is dual language - plus the cover artwork kicksass over the US version

[Nic Xtreme]

Apollo Justice has been confirmed to be getting translated -- it's at that GC conference, with screens of the game in...German!

It's also being published by Nintendo in Europe, along with Zack & Wiki!

Victory, I say!

Damn evil PR lady and her threats!

...wait, Trials and Tribulations is out now!!!!!!!!!

***** YEAH! Can anyone confirm the dual-language nature? I can't read Japanese, and it alludes to it on the official website...

http://www.capcom.co.jp/ds_saiban3/

ZOMG this is the site! Play the game via the last tab! WOOOOO! I don't even know what's going on though...

[scoz]

I'm a slow non importer. Justice for all is out on thurs, how many cases does it have?

I don't understand why they are making apollo the lead man in ace attourney 4, what was wrong with phoinex? Wait, 3 is a prequel, and I haven't played 2 yet. He doesn't die does he? NOOO don't tell me!!!! ARRRRGGGHHH!!!!

[FF Freak]

3 isn't actually a prequel to the Phoenix wright arc of GS. It's a mix of prequel and sequel. Out of the 5 cases in the game only 2 of them are giving the back ground to Phoenix as a lawyer and the other 3 continue where the second leaves off.

As for Apollo Justice, well from what I've read 3 finishes off Phoenix's arc (don't know the exact details) though he does make some cameo appearances in 4.

[/backslash]

This arrived in the mail today:

http://users.tpg.com.au/surashi//S5000435.JPG

Hooray! :D Haven't tried it out yet. For some reason the game was wrapped around by a Phoenix Wright DS cover (as shown) on the back it shows the first 2 game covers. Hint of an anniversary pack? I have no idea, maybe its an optional reversible cover or something

[ireadtabloids]

Phoenix Wright: Justice for all. Worth full price or not?
Take note that I bought the first one at $35

[scoz]

Damn, the jap covers are SO much better

[Nic Xtreme]

ALL the Phoenix Wright games are worth a purchase! As soon as I'm done with Hotel Dusk I'll be ordering PW3! I can't waaaaaiiiiiiiiiiiit!

I <3 PW games! :D :D :D :D

[/backslash]

Damn, the jap covers are SO much better
Especially when compared to this one:

http://cover6.cduniverse.com/CDUCoverArt/Games/25/7442725.jpg

Any more boring and it'd look like a Sega Master System cover

http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/I/21gvawYaI2L.jpg

I'm halfway through the first case. Mia Fey sounds weird in english when she says 'Objection', its very subtle compared to Phoenix. Also call me weird but I don't like the younger version of her, her breasts haven't 'developed' enough :P

Still a funny game though, in the first 5min she's already slapped, punched and kicked her advisor! :lol: "My stomach is not a soccer ball" he replied (in those exact words)

[scoz]

I just got justice for all (2) because i don't import. Hmmm, I can't decide if it is better than 1 or not. The music is definitely worse, but the health bar and being able to present profiles is awesome. There are'nt enogh psychlocks and von karma is a bad antagonist. Case one was good, case 2 very good (but I have never liked the whole spirit medium thing), 3 was un inspired, but it stuck on me halfway through the final trial. Strated 4, but want to savor it because I think it's the last one. Is it?

[borgster101]

Yeah only 4 cases in Justice for All, though the 4th case is quite excellent :)

[Kefka]

I'm not sure which one I prefer either... Edgeworth and Nick had great chemistry, but Fran was quite a laugh with her whipping.

The psych locks were good for getting health back after some of the more obtuse lines of logic... There were a few moments in cases that could have been better though - i remember a few instances when i was trying things that made perfect sense but hadn't been written into the script.

While I'm here, can I ask the newbie question of "why can't i start any threads?" - do i need to be approved by a mod before i can?

[Jickle]

While I'm here, can I ask the newbie question of "why can't i start any threads?" - do i need to be approved by a mod before i can?

You need to have made....I think its 20 posts first. Precaution we had to bring in because we kept getting spambots.

[Kefka]

You need to have made....I think its 20 posts first. Precaution we had to bring in because we kept getting spambots.

Ah ok, thanks for clearing it up - is it in any of the FAQs?

Just to keep things on topic, does anyone think the Phoenix Wright series should have more/some "puzzle" style gameplay (similar to that in Hotel Dusk and whatnot), or just stick to the current style of dialog chasing?

Part of me thinks it would be nice to have some puzzles to mix up the gameplay and let you flex other parts of your mind for a bit, but part of me thinks it could detract from the writing and script.

[madmangohan]

I liked the improvements the last case of the first game gave with the video playback and fingerprinting. If thats the approach they took with number 4, than I eagerly await it's translation.

[Nic Xtreme]

I think PW should stick to its current template, though the evolution apparent in the 5th of PW1 / PW4 is an excellent way to go, I reckon!

[borgster101]

Yeah the 5th case in the first game was brilliant :D I look forward to more of those DS specifc features in the future.

[scoz]

Has anyone finished 3 yet? I want to know what happens to phoenix, but then again I don't. Apollo Justice doesn't look half as cool as phoenix

[scoz]

Lol... just did the bit in PW2 with the american pie reference... "this one time, at lawyer camp..."

[dazza826]

just got 3 yesterday only playing the first case!!! there is a very funny reference to a certain kellis song maya says "I know whos milkshake brings all the boys to the yard" in reference to a character wont say who or why kinda spoiler

[scoz]

finished 2 twice over this week... 4th cas was a ripper, love the bit where the judge thinks phoenix is trying to kill him

[Dukotoja]

i just finished number 1 then, it only took me about 3-4 hours of play, is this normal? i had no idea that the games where this short! i mean yeah it made me laugh and it make me cry with laughter but 3 hours c'mon i expect more out of barbies special pony adventure or what ever my 13 year old cousin plays.

are 2 and or 3 longer? i am thinking about getting the second in the series, just wondering if capcom bulk it up a bit?

[scoz]

i just finished number 1 then, it only took me about 3-4 hours of play, is this normal? i had no idea that the games where this short! i mean yeah it made me laugh and it make me cry with laughter but 3 hours c'mon i expect more out of barbies special pony adventure or what ever my 13 year old cousin plays.

are 2 and or 3 longer? i am thinking about getting the second in the series, just wondering if capcom bulk it up a bit?

2 is actually shorter.

Yeah, they're short, but it's one of the only games I don't mind being short. If you get 2, ration it. I mean, i reckon they have good replay value, similar to a dvd i guess. I've played 1 5 times over, and 2 twice

[Nic Xtreme]

3-4hrs for the whole game? WTF!

How the hell, on earth, did this happen? It took me 10-15hrs, I'd estimate!

[scoz]

3-4hrs for the whole game? WTF!

How the hell, on earth, did this happen? It took me 10-15hrs, I'd estimate!

More like 6-8 i'd reckon. Feels like 10-15 though. Oh, and i was looking at the gamespot thing for Apollo justice, now if i'm repeating stuff don't worry but, did I see emma skye (case 5 on game 1) in one of the pictures

[Jickle]

I'm looking into grabbing Phoenix Wright 3, and I have two questions:

1. When is the US version out?
2. Is there any real reason to wait for it, or is the Japanese version pretty much the same?

[/backslash]

I'm looking into grabbing Phoenix Wright 3, and I have two questions:

1. When is the US version out?
2. Is there any real reason to wait for it, or is the Japanese version pretty much the same?
1. 25th October (http://www.cduniverse.com/productinfo.asp?pid=7442725&style=games&BAB=M) (the coverart has changed too and looks exactly like the JAP version now)
2. Not really, maybe some minor spelling mistakes and a manual that's actually in english

If you buy it from Yesasia (http://global.yesasia.com/en/PrdDept.aspx/code-c/version-nds/section-games/did-5/pid-1004887195/) and use this coupon code WGASIA3 it'll only cost you $30 delivered

[Cerebral]

3-4 hours? No way, I say. The cases are hella long, and almost drawn out to a fault (I'd much prefer 8-9 more consice cases).

Anyway, the first case of PW3 is extremely awesome, and I've heard great things about the last two cases as well. I should be tied up for a week or so on this one.

[madmangohan]

Got my copy today finally. Shame I also got the Taiko DS thingo and thus have lost my soul to it instead. My PW3 playthrough is now on hold for at least a week -_-

[Mike-Towns]

Got no.1 today, it's damn brilliant.

[scoz]

I still reckon case 4 on 2 and case 5 on 1 are the best

[CoolzInferno]

There's a brilliant 300 reference in Case 3 of PW3, I'd repost it but honestly I can't remember specifics and I don't actually know if revealing it would have spoilers for the specifics of the case, I haven't actually finished Case 3 yet. Whoever does the English translations has really done quite a good job of actually getting modern references, I mean 300 only came out this year right?

[scoz]

I have said it previously, but I'll say it again. I love it in case 4 of 2 when maya says about phoenix "this one time, at lawyer camp..."

[Mike-Towns]

Just won no.2 off of Ebay for $24.50 inc post brand new :D

[scoz]

Just won no.2 off of Ebay for $24.50 inc post brand new :D
Awesome price. I'm still a sucker for paying overprice at games stores. I reckon 1 is better than 2, but only coz 1 had a bonus case. Also, there are more leaps of logic in 2. Being able to present profiles as well as evidence is really good, it makes the examine section better. Pluss it now goes examine trial trial pt2 etc as apposed to examine trial exaamine trial etc

[Mike-Towns]

I'm now up to 'Rise from the Ashes' and no.2 should arrive in a few days, just in time :).

[Nic Xtreme]

Wow...I've just hit the plot twist in "Stolen Turnabout" in Phoenix Wright 3 and I can say I'm loving it!

The Phoenix Wright games really are brilliant! Can't wait to play more...I hate studying!

[scoz]

I'm now up to 'Rise from the Ashes' and no.2 should arrive in a few days, just in time :).

Damn that's a good case. This isn't a spoiler, it's just funny, but use the luminol fluid on the cactus in marshall's office

I think I saw emma skye on the banner for the apollo justice site on gamespot... if she comes back with her fingerprinting stuff and all that would be AWESOME!!!!

[Nic Xtreme]

Yeah, apparently she's on the new one. Quick, scoz! PM what happens with the luminol fluid! I either a) forget or b) didn't do it...

All I know is there was something hilarious to do with the cactus that I remember happening, might've been something else...

[scoz]

All I know is there was something hilarious to do with the cactus that I remember happening, might've been something else...
Spray the top of the cactus and there's a blood patch, and examine and phoinex says about how that would have hurt and emma says that someone must have face planted into it. You kinda have to be there.

[Nic Xtreme]

Ahahahahaha yeah I remember that! Thanks!

[FF Freak]

Trials and Tribulations comes out in the US today. Hopefully it appears in Dungeon Crawl soon. I'm gonna go into the city and check next week once my assignments are complete.

[Nic Xtreme]

It's a really awesome game. But I'm not playing it atm cuz...

But I lost my stupid DS Phat stylus...the only one I had (it sits too loosely, and it's so small...SO ANNOYING!)

I'll be ordering new stylii soon, as well as getting a DS Lite when I see the new awesome Xmas bundles...me want Phantom Hourglass bundle!

[madmangohan]

Didn't the phat come packed with a second one? You should be able to find one in stores somewhere if you look though.

...I've had this game since about a week after it got released, and I still haven't touched it due to my Taiko DS addiction. I really should be imprisoned.

[Nic Xtreme]

My first one snapped due to excessive pressure on it -- thank my attempts at getting S-Ranks on Ouendan for that -- and now my other one is lost.

The joy.

[Cerebral]

If I misplace my stylus, I just use my pinky. I mean, it's not like you need pinpoint accuracy in Phoenix Wright (hell, you dojn't even need the touch screen).

[Nic Xtreme]

Indeed, but non-stylus investigation drives me slightly insane :/

[Nic Xtreme]

***BUY TRIALS AND TRIBULATIONS***

If there is one bit of advice I can give to people, it's buy that game. It's brilliant. Not only do the characters and storyline intertwine like nothing ever seen on an Ace Attorney game, the writing is TOP NOTCH x1000 this time around. In THREE pieces of conversation, I've had the gems "Café de Lay? Is that even legal?" and "I'm no spoony bard" ~o~

Classic!

I've almost finished this game, and wow, wowowow, is the final case a doozy...of EPIC proportions! I'm loving it! Brilliance, brilliance all around!

[madmangohan]

Well I've started the third game finally. The first case/introduction was quite interesting although it wasn't hard to decuct most of it easily. This second case however is alot better... well considering now that i've now hit the halfway mark of it and it's upped the ante with my client now on new charges.
Godot is really crummy so far though. He has character, just not alot of it.

[Nic Xtreme]

Godot is a FREAKING AWESOME CHARACTER!

I was a tad confused when everyone all over the place has been like "Godot is the best character" blah blah etc etc, and I was like "Huh?"...

...wait till you finish the game, yeah?

[igotnewsuper8systemWRONG!]

I've never played any of these games, is it necessary to play them in order?

[madmangohan]

Not really, but it does help as the first cases like to flash back to the previous game.
Also the first game has some of the better cases.

[Quatters]

The worst thing is I've not touched mine for ages, despite how good a game it is due to other games.

God damn.
At least I can get back to it when/if there's next a drought.

[nkbswe5]

I'd have to *slightly* disagree with you Sir madmangohan, if I didn't play the games in order it wouldn't make as much sense, as the flashbacks tend to just be Phoenix learning how to be a lawyer. And heaps of the jokes wouldn't make sense as they are references to the past

In conclusion, you can play them out of order, but much of the fun would be lost

[Cerebral]

Finished Trials and Tribulations on the weekend. The last case is indeed an absolute cracker.

Also, Godot has the single most awesome line in the game: "Know your role, and shut your mouth."

[ireadtabloids]

The first game had an instance where Phoenix shouted, " For great justice!" It makes sense that they'd include some other famous quotes.
I really need to make some more money. I hate how at his time of the year you want about eight games. I can only weep for those who own all the formats. Number two looks like it will be the series weak point. Though most other franchises wouldn't call that a low point. Just an undercooked remake of a great game. It seems like this series has become an original trilogy of Star Wars proportions. May the contradictions be with you.

[Mike-Towns]

I'm a little behind, just started on no.2 when taking a bus trip the other day...i'll catch up though :D

[scoz]

Stupid lazy me, not importing 3
Now i'm without wright can you see my plight?

Sorry for the poem, double of english today.

[AyatollaofRocknRolla]

Greetings my fellow Ace professionals! I've just completed the second case in T&T , and I would have to say it was one of the best Phoenix Wright cases so far. Zvarri!

Just investigating on the thrid case, so back to it.

[Nic Xtreme]

How well were Atmey's lines translated? Brilliant, I say!

Look for hilarious "Zvarri!" references in the later chapters!

I reckon Ron DeLite was more memorable though! Every single time I see myself writing "Heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeey!" or a similarly long-winded statement, I think of Ron!

Classic game! BRILLIANT!

[borgster101]

I still need to get Trials and Tribulations, I think I might get it when the avalanche of games dies down a bit, so I can give it the proper attention it deserves!! :D

[Cerebral]

Ron DeLite was a total douchebag. Even his hair looked like Princess Leia's.

[madmangohan]

I swear they were ripping FMA off when they made Armstrong.
1 and 3/4 cases to go...

[Space_Monkey]

I'm kinda poor.

So Trials And Tribulations seems like a good thing to put on the Christmas Wish List.

Anyone else?

[gaselite]

Finished it this morning, an absolutely wonderful series and all three games provide me with some fantastic gaming memories, although the games themselves amount to little more than a comic book from a gaming point of view, I still absolutely loved them, and it's a bit weird because the stories aren't especially complex or sophisticated, but the characters are memorable and well conceived, and the writing and localisation is very sharp in places (although not so much in others, but more often than not it's very impressive), both combining to evoke genuine pathos at times, even if in small doses appropriate to a lightweight videogame (I felt it did, anyway).

Just thinking about all three games I really have so many pleasant memories of the whole thing, even despite the repeated soundtracks and character animations, these games had immense character, and they knew how to use those animations and the music at exactly the right times.

The last case is great and caps must be doffed in the direction of the writer, whose name I forgot, but to keep track of all those plot strands and to give the story continuity across all three titles must have been an immense undertaking. Although I have to admit with being disappointed with the ending. The ending to the second game felt a lot more comprehensive, but the third was not anywhere near as comprehensive as I was hoping. It didn't really take any chances by going out on a limb with regards to the future of the characters, and they didn't really develop post-case, with the exception of maybe Pearl and Maya. Mia and Phoenix's relationship I find infuriating in its lack of definition. After her death and in the subsequent games it seems strictly professional and it's frustrating to never have it totally emotionally explored, after the final case you just want them to have a massive ****ing hug or something but nothing like that ever seems to happen. Meanwhile, what of Godot? Is he dead? No mention in the credits, it was confusing and unsatisfactorily dealt with. Likewise Edgeworth and Von Karma, what happens to them? Again, they had no part in the credits. Von Karma especially, whose change of heart and willingness to help Phoenix seemed to go totally unexplored to the best of my recollection, both as it happened and after the case. It was quite puzzling and it was hard to tell in the hand whether she had turned a page in her career or if it was just a one off thing.

Anyway, like I said the game isn't terribly sophisticated in fleshing out its characters across all three games and I think that's a shame because some of these characters really are wonderful. I also really have to say some of the ridiculousness of the legal proceedings, although appreciably insane most of the time, does tend to grate after a while, but that's probably just me.

Anyhoo, again, an absolutely wonderful series which I'll have very fond memories of for a long time, even though I was slightly disappointed with the conclusion and the fact that the relationships between the characters could've been fleshed out a bit more in the end.

I'm not sure what the skinny on Apollo Justice is as I haven't really been following its development, but I can only hope that it does revisit some of the characters here.

[Cerebral]

Afaik, only two characters from the previous games make a return (both can be seen in the trailer (http://www.gametrailers.com/player/26642.html)). Double edged sword, as it allows them to introduce newer characters without always having to rely on previous ones all the time, I just hope the ones returning don't overshadow the new cast too much.

I agree with regards to Miles and Franziska - they were pivotal to the first and second games respectively, and they're not given a second thought afterward, especially Von Karma, who unlike Edgeworth, hadn't been fully fleshed out yet (her bit at the end of the second game still leaves me curious, in addition to her helping Phoenix in the last case as gas mentioned).

[Space_Monkey]

Is it just me or does Wright look like a homeless man in the new Ace Attorney?

[gaselite]

He's on the ball, this one.

[scoz]

I agree with regards to Miles and Franziska - they were pivotal to the first and second games respectively, and they're not given a second thought afterward, especially Von Karma, who unlike Edgeworth, hadn't been fully fleshed out yet (her bit at the end of the second game still leaves me curious, in addition to her helping Phoenix in the last case as gas mentioned).

I don't think she'll ever come back. Edgeworth on the other hand... I hope he is the major antagonist again sometime. I didn't like f von karma, next to m von karma she was weak. Still, I haven't played T&T, but my favorite case is easily 4 in JFA

[Nic Xtreme]

SPOILERS!!!!!!!! PEEPS!~!!!!






Look at the artwork at the end of the credits ~ Godot is in the picture up with Mia and Misty, not the others -- does this hint at his fate?

[gaselite]

Yes and I thought about that but it's unsatisfactorily dealt with. One minute he's downing a coffee vigorously with Wright, the next he's dead? Well shit, they're all gonna die, it just doesn't go into enough detail.

[aubergine]

I tried to order the third game from Playasia but it spat back my credit card a bunch of times and I got scared and stopped trying. A bit annoying, though I'm sure I'll play it someday.

[madmangohan]

You could always use PA's bank transfer...

I'm on the last case now of trials and tribulations and I really don't know what to think. I mean, it's great to play as edgeworth and all (more like awsome), but unless something changes, I will be dissapointed knowing case 2 was my last go with phoenix when they really needed to add another case just for him. Also too many of the cases tie with Dahlia Hawthorne which really doesn't feel right.
Nevertheless, I've still got another hour or so left to go, so I better get that out of the way before I talk on it more.

[gaselite]

I'd say you've got more than an hour left.

[Cerebral]

Three or so, actually.

Super spoilers~!

I quite liked Dahlia. Godot was always gonna be a good guy at heart, she was far better a villain (moreso then Enguarde I'd say).